tonight on the reid out -- >> uaw saved the automobile industry back in 2008 and before. made a lot of sacrifices.

gave up a lot and the companies were in trouble. now they're doing incredibly well and guess what. you should be doing incredibly well, too. >> yeah! >> president biden makes an historic visit to a uaw picket line as donald trump, an impostor, pretending to be a friend of organized labor, gets ready to speak to auto workers tomorrow. people he's never raised a finger to help. also, a major legal blow to trump as a judge rules that he committed fraud for years. exaggerating his net worth and massively overvaluing his assets. and john fetterman joins me on the growing threat. the growing calls for senator menendez to step down and much more. we begin with an historic day with union joe doing something

no sitting president has ever done. walking a picket line. biden joins striking united auto workers in michigan deal, a big f-ing deal, in biden speak, to close out a summer of labor. more on that later. what's also a huge deal is the potential government shutdown in just four days. the senate is working on a short-term mission to buy congress more time until mid november while kevin mccarthy tries to find a way to placate his maga fringe. what do they want? weirdly enough, the same thing he wants. to cut off the funding to his least favorite country. and to defund the special counsel who's prosecuting trump.

just how dangerously unfit he is to serve. reenforced by his other recent threats. like threatening to execute outgoing joint chiefs chairman, mark millie. general millie's offense you'll recall was making a phone call to reassure china making a siege on the capitol by trump supporters. in fact in a recent profile, he would come after him in the white house. mark esper said millie's concerns are a legitimate fear and he would throw his political emies in jail if elected again. underscoring the danger of re-electing a mob boss, a georgia judge has ordered the name of jurors in the case against trump be kept secret until the trial ends. all very serious. about the danger he poses to

democracy and to individual americans. and that someone who saw it firsthand. the january 6th committee's star witness, former white house aide, cassidy hutchison in her first live interview with rachel maddow. >> this year has helped me open my eyes to the dangers that trump imposes on people. i'm not the only one. i wish i could say i'd be the last person but unfortunately i won't. that's what he does to people that he thinks speak out against, or that detract from him. it's one of the more dangerous things about donald trump, too. we've seen time and time again. it shouldn't have to be like this. >> hush is son said she belongs to a different party than the current gang led by trump and called for more republicans to join her in speaking out ahead

of the next election. >> we all want the republic to survive. and the way that, i'm not confident that he will have it survive. i do not believe that mr. trump is a strong republican but in this next election cycle, it's in my opinion, it's the make or break moment for the republican party. we're talking about a man who at the very essence of his being almost destroyed democracy in one day and he wants to do it again. >> for now, they're siding with their mar-a-lago boss over their supposed leader in the house. speaker mccarthy, with matt gaetz as the leader of the shutdown brigade. basically, a band of radicals holding them out. he reportedly told mccarthy he had a list of members who's oppose anything mccarthy put forward, calling them immovable.

meaning in plain english, mccarthy can either get right wingers on board which he's trying to do by floating massive cuts like taking a million low income families off nutrition aid, slashing home heating aid by 70% before winter and cutting school lunch assistance by 80% all to appease his negative detractors. what a box to be in. so with half of the house of representatives currently a nonfunctioning puddle of chaos, americans have until saturday night for congress to figure out a plan to keep the lights on. joining me now is charlie sykes. msnbc contributor. and sahil, nbc news senior national political reporter. sahil, i want to go to you first. you're on the hill. what is the state of play? how close are they to getting anything like a deal to keep the

government open? >> well, they're two very different states of play in the senate and the house and the senate, they are moving forward with a bipartisan bill to keep the government open on a short-term basis. the vote was just clocked in at 77-19. they voted to proceed with this. but the details of this bill are i'll say it briefly, it keeps the government open until november 17th on a short-term basis. about $6 billion in economic and military aid to ukraine. about 6 billion additional in disaster are relief funds and extends the faa's authorities through the end of the year. that also expire t at the end of this month. that's the senate side. they're in good shape to pass this bill. unclear if they'll do it by the saturday deadline. some republican senators could reject to a speedy vote. in this house, it's a very, very different situation.

they're still trying to negotiate with the senate, get it through the democratic controlled senate, they're going to have to get president biden. the hard liners want a steep series of cuts which he's struggling to get through the house of representatives in his narrow majority. some also say they will not vote to fund the government on a short-term basis which leads him in a jam. he's chosen to keep his job. he's trying to get these bills through the house. it's going to be a pretty wild ride. >> there has been people like catherine clark, the vote counter. the house whip on the minority de has talked about what the price would be of democrats

coming to the table and helping. one of the things would be to end the impeachment inquiry. what is is democratic side saying about what price they would exact from kevin mccarthy if they've got to provide him the votes to pass a bill. >> this question keeps coming up because of the way people like matt gates are trying to overthrow mccarthy is all but inevitable and democrats will have a choice to make. do they support the motion to make it the speaker's chair. minority power would always do that. it would not support a republican speaker. i've got to say i'm very, very skeptical. this sounds like an episode of the west wing. not something that happens in reality for democrats to basically protect mccarthy's job and keep a republican speaker. that doesn't play well in even competitive district. also, democrats want a whole series of demands from mccarthy.

that he is never going to provide because it would further weaken him to the point of untenltability. they want him to let go of the inquiry. they want him to pursue bipartisan government funding levels. in the words of one aide, stop letting the crazies one the house. is mccarthy going to do that? it's unlikely. democrats might just be hastening his departure from the speakership. >> okay. i'm not lawrence o'donnell, but it's the stupid west wing. charlie, this is a stupid, this is stupid. because the reality is kevin mccarthy cannot from what sahil's reporting has told me is that he cannot avoid the motion to vacate. he's out there now trying to blame president biden. let me play him. trying to make himself sound

like he's in charge of something because he's not. >> what the president will do is say one of my fundamental jobs of the united states is secure. secure that border, we'll be able to keep it all open and working. >> are you willing to shutdown the government if you do not get border security deal? >> let's be clear. >> charlie, charlie. charlie. >> joe biden could actually build the wall somehow over the rio grande and still take mccarthy out of the speakership because gaetz is running for governor of florida. >> kevin mccarthy has a choice

to make to keep the country running, open or to protect his speaker shim. as we know, he'll opt to protect his speakership. when he made one compromise after another. he's talking about the fundamental responsibilities of the president. one of congress is to keep the lights on. he's not doing it. what's really extraordinary in listening to the breakdown, what is this shutdown about? the executive vice president of the chamber of commerce, a republican leaning organization, say he's thinking of this like the seinfeld shutdown. it's about nothing because there's no end game. they're not going to get what they want. at a certain point, this is for people like matt gaetz, the fight is about the fight. keeping it going. the more chaos he creates, the better it is for him no matter how much damage he does to the country. and you're seeing what mccarthy is willing to do.

mccarthy is willing, his speakership hangs by a thread from mar-a-lago. he knows what donald trump can do with him and he knows that he has to make one concession after another. but it's never enough because the point is not to be a governing party for people like gaetz. it's to create as much chaos as possible. to exact as much pain. the fact that he's willing to go along with the very online extremist in his caucus and cut the kinds of programs that you just listed, you have to wonder at what point do the moderates in the caucus say to hell with this, we're not going to go along with this. i don't see how this ends well for mccarthy and unfortunately, the rest of us are being held hostage as well. >> i mentioned the things they'll be doing to the working poor in this country. cutting nutritionol funding. we didn't even get into military pay. people in the united states military will not get their paychecks. they claim on the republican side they care about the

military. that's what they would be cutting. so republicans are willing to be responsible for the members of the united states military who are already not getting promotions because of the alabama senator, tuberville. now they can't even get their checks. they're supposed to be so good at messaging. how do you message that? >> this is a party that claims it's pro child, pro family. pro military. pro life. all of those things and what are they doing as their opening gambit? their opening bid? let's slash all of those programs and of course the ads almost write themselves which again, we have yet to hear from the republicans in the swing districts who have got to be going to kevin mccarthy. we know the extent to which you are willing to sell off various body parts to the marjorie taylor greene but do you understand what you are actually doing here. and i think the classic headline

of the week was sahil's headline. donald trump breaks with kevin mccarthy. and opts for shutting down the federal government because i mean you know, haven't we seen this movie before? where kevin mccarthy will crawl on bended knee and pull his -- and what does donald trump do? just sort of grinds his heel down and humiliates him some more. once again, we're seeing the kevin mccarthy humiliation olympics being played out but unfortunately, the stakes are awfully high for a lot of americans who actually will be hurt by this. >> absolutely. let me play the person who's being described by cassidy hutchison in this clip in which she refutes a very odd claim by your house leader, matt gaetz. >> matt gaetz in my opinion is somebody that i personally do not hold in high regards in terms of trust and i will say on

behalf of myself, i have much higher standards in men and matt frankly is a very unserious politician. >> matt gaetz of florida who hallucinated that he dated cassidy hutchison is in charge of whether the military will be paid, whether school lunches will be funded and whether school lunches will be funded. that's where we are, america. congratulations. charlie, sahil, thank you both very much. up next, another major legal defeat for donald trump as a judge finds that he committed fraud by exaggerating his wealth and value of his assets. shocked. assets. shocked. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪

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it is not surprise that donald trump continueses to make the baseless claims that biden is behind his many legal woes and he's being prosecuted for purely political reasons. it is a surprise though when they decide to use it at their court. the special counsel's office filed the order later this

month. arguing that it's necessary given the threats against people that trump has targeted in the case and the potential to intimidate jurors and others. in a 25 page filing, trump's lawyers claim this is all just an attempt to silence president biden's most prominent political opponent and they say no threat exists from the twice impeached former president. quote, the prosecution does not and can not explain -- or otherwise fall within that small class of fighting words that are likely to provoke the average person to retaliation. it will be judge chutkan to decide this matter and she has peeks experienced the threats. "the new york times" writes -- she received a message that

threatened to kill her. the woman has been arrested. there was breaking news late today in the civil fraud lawsuit that trump indeed committed fraud. it is a major blow to trump who was asking the junl to throw the case out entirely. that trial is set to begin on monday. so many trials so little time. catherine christian, former manhattan district attorney and msnbc legal analyst and david k. johnston, syracuse university law professor and author of the big cheat. donald trump's least america. very appropriate title. tim, i want to go to you. we're going to go in order. this man has so many cases and so many trials it's hard to keep track. let's start with the claims. jack smith is saying trump is

claiming there is no threat and that in fact, it's special counsel jack smith who is, has attacked trump. this is what trump's filing says. prosecutor jack smith held a press conference -- falsely claiming he's fuels an unprecedented assault. here's what jack smith said. >> the attack on our nation's capitol on january 6th, 2021 was an unprecedented assault on the seat of american democracy. it's described in the indictment. it was fueled by lies. lies by the defendant targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the u.s. government. >> well, the words jack smith is saying are based on what a grand jury has found probably cause which means more likely than not the former president did exactly what jack smith just said.

i think the challenge for judge chutkan is how is she going to balance donald trump's first amendment rights versus his position as a defendant in this case. i think he has a long history of saying inflammatory things. we saw it particularly after the election from everything from the debate stage saying to the proud boys stand back and stand by. he set up the rally, be there, be wild. we saw how his campaign sent fund raising e-mails day after day telling folks there's going to be a fight, the trump army up until the capitol was attacked. so, the former president has a long and extensive history. if he violates the speech, what does he do? when i was a prosecutor when you have time for a defendant threatening people on facebook and the judge says things like

that and you go to jail. you would normally do. here, i think for a lot of reasons, that's not going to be as easy if you go down this route, i'm going to move this date. just saying that he would be killed. >> i would note for millie, that's potential witness in this very case.

that's -- >> explain to me, it's in my hand. i'd like you to explain. it seems the summary of this is trump wanted to get this thrown out. the judge said no and did some sort of summary judgment saying you did it. you did overvalue your assets. is this case over. it's not but is a big, big victory for the new york attorney general. trump, his two adult sons have engaged in repeated, fraudulent activity. so that ruling he's been found liable. the trial will be dead they falsify business records, financial statements and commit insurance fraud. and he's the bench trial. so there's no jury so that judge will decide that.

the reason trump has been fighting for so long, if he loses, his two adult sons are barred from ever being an officer in a new york state corporation and they're barred from getting loans in new york state from my bank. it's a big deal. he's not going to jail. it will effect his business. >> alvin bragg declined to take this, a very similar case to trial on a criminal basis. if this, if he loses this, is he at risk of maybe bragg going you know what, maybe i don't just care about the hush money. i care about this. >> exactly. now it's prepond rans of the evidence so perhaps the d.a.'s office was looking to see the evidence to see maybe we'll go for it. the investigation is still open. d.a. bragg has said it's not closed so there is still time if he chooses to go to the grand jury. david, we woke you up.

you decided to wake up for us because i needed to have somebody who knows this man, who knows donald trump and knows how he'll react to that. particularly this manhattan piece because it looks like he's going to lose. >> well, he has lost. by the way, greetings from berlin. as catherine said, there's no issue

i'm paying them too much. same with the unions. they get 5%. all of a sudden, they're making more money than the people who own the company. >> joining me now, robert reich, former labor secretary during the clinton administration and professor of public policy. >> he knows michigan is a critical state in the upcoming presidential election. he also wants to court the blue collar vote. he knows it's up for grabs, but he wants to do it in a way that does not bring any attention at all to his union. his anti union record and i think that is extraordinary.

joe biden is first president in history including roosevelt to ever walk a picket line and his words today for i think very significant. >> can we put the video up again of biden? we need to pause on this history, mr. reich. i think it's really important. the fact that biden showed up at that picket line and said what he said. you all -- you built the middle class. i thought it was an important reminder that when we say working class, that's a multiracial class of people. it's women, men, latinos. black folks. it's not just white working class people. it's white, black. everybody. that is the working class. people don't talk about that enough and they are struggling against ceos that make 400 times what they make. what do you make of this moment?

i'm struggling against wall street. wall street did not create the middle class. you union workers, you created the middle class in america and that's critical because you see, this is the first president in certainly my lifetime that has said in effect who's side are you own? i'm on the side of the working class. and that's something that other presidents even democratic presidents have been reluctant to do. >> and in the midst of a negotiation that's happening between the union and the workers and everyone's been saying don't get involved. don't take a side. did what he say today kind of take a side? because he did see, he is a working class guy himself. he's in their demographic. what do you think that does to their negotiations? i think it does advance the cause of workers in negotiation. the fact of the matter is most americans are working people. most americans you know, they're

not unionized, most americans, they would like to be. 65, 70% of americans approve of labor unions but when americans get a raise, that helps everybody. that moves the you know, the level upward for everybody. this whole notion, that is the side of working people trying to get ahead. >> absolutely. we've seen it with starbucks workers. the actors and writers in hollywood. most who are not rich people. let me play really quick to remind people what donald trump said and what he promised working people when he was running for president. >> don't move. don't sell your house. don't sell your house. do not sell it. we're going to get those values up. we're going to get those jobs coming back and we're going to fill up those factories or rip them down and build brand-new ones. >> when he was president, it was in july of 2017.

those plants he was talking about in lords town, they closed. the gm plants. the chevy cruz plants. they closed anyway. he promised everybody was going to give a $4,000 raise. gave a huge tax cut to big corporations and the rich. it never happened. there was never any trickle down. we know that his words mean nothing. >> what do we do about the fact that we do have ceos that used to make 40 times what their workers make now making two, three, 400 times what their workers make and they're focused on shareholder value. they're working four days a week but say you can't. you've got to work five. what do we do about this? >> we support workers with labor unions. we make labor unions stronger. we support the uaw when it wants a 40% raise when the ceos and most executives have also gotten

a 40% raise over the past five years. that's what we do. it's called countervailing power. countervailing the power of big corporations, ceos, all the stock buybacks to wall street. it's countervailing power that enables working people to do better. that's what joe biden was on the picket line today supporting. >> you know what, nobody's going to get rich unless there are workers there to do the actual job. all those people are rich because of the workers who work for them and they don't appreciate them nearly enough. thank you very much. coming up, thank you. john fetterman joins me to talk about his unique and proven able ty to tell it like it is. that's next. ty to tell it like it is that's next. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. oh. [dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪

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can i ask you about this news that speaker mccarthy has formally launched an impeachment? >> oh, my god, really? oh, my gosh. it's devastating. oh, don't do it. it's like, oh, my god, you know. dogs and cats are living together and you know like it's aren't there more important things we should be talking about rather than if i dress like a slob. >> whether it's the sham impeachment inquiry to president biden or the dress code, no one has done a better job at calling republicans out on their nonsense than pennsylvania

senator, john fetterman. he has dunked on the hypocrisy of everyone from marjorie taylor greene and ron desantis. even about his casual attire by vowing to wear a suit if house republicans manage to avert a government shutdown. now he's also calling out a member of his own party. bob menendez who is facing federal charges for taking hundreds of thousands of dollars, as well as gold bars, in bribes. it was the first senator to call on his democratic colleague to resign and today, more than a dozen other senators have followed suit including new jersey's junior senator, cory booker and senator fetterman joins me now. thank you so much. i guess the first question would be why you were first out of the box to call upon senator menendez to resign and are you surprised it took so long for so many of your colleagues to

follow? >> honestly, i was actually surprised that i was the first one. it's black and white. so clear. the last times there's ever been a man with so much cash in their home in new jersey was tony soprano. it's not a close call. and if you were looking for the most incriminating kinds of evidence, nobody could even come up with gold bars in a mattress. so and again, he's entitled to have his day in court but he is not entitled to remain in the senate and he needs to go. >> you know, a lot of people think about the quickness senator al franken at a time when they really needed his vote, it was the 60th vote that got us obamacare to pass in the united states senate. there were people who are quite, a lot of moral rectitude when it came to him. have some of those senators,

that have not called senator menendez to resign. i wonder if some of the more i should say, sanctimonious senators that we have heard from on things like senator frank and other issues have come forward. i think about christian sinema, we haven't seen her saying much. we have not seen joe manchin saying much. have you heard from any of those senators and what they think of all of this? >> obviously i don't before anyone else in the senate or myself but what i can say is that you know he has to go. new jersey is a save, blue sea and they have a governor ready to appoint somebody that is ready to step in and make that kind of votes that it needs to do and again, it is never been about him, it's about the senate and the integrity and he needs to go. >> you know you've been the subject of a lot of right-wing freak out and your casual dress code, which again there people accident or sinema who dresses as you know, in our very own

unique way and when i said anything about it. why do you think people are so fixated on you? >> i really don't know. as i've said before, ted cruz country of like spider-man and i would be a okay with that. i do think that we have more important kinds of things to be worrying about. whether it is gold bars and a mattress or whether it is the shutdown or the impeachment or anything. >> be surprised if spider-man calls you quite offended that being compared to ted cruz but i believe that for another interview. let us talk about one of the most important issues that we have to deal with and that is the potential that our government can shut down. that will hurt a lot of pennsylvanians, it will hurt a lot of americans. i don't think people understand just how deep those cuts will cut and people will be harmed. what do you make of the fact that the senate is now in a position of trying to salvage finding the government bypassing, what a 24 day or 40 day work around, meaning the world is watching us fund our

government, but essentially 20, for 25 days at a time. >> you know there is that one single senator that wants this. on their side and the house, this is patty chaos by diminished men. you know the last time that they did this kind of thing, it resulted in a another credit down grating. we need to get to the point where it is like if they want to be this time and do this again, they will pay in 24. >> has mitch mcconnell -- >> i'm sorry there one that will really will pay will the millions of americans that rely on all of these kinds of things. there is absolutely nothing to gain and like i said, it is just petty chaos by diminished men. >> i wonder if and i don't want to bring this a preview what they're doing and the other caucus but mitch mcconnell seems that he's been very passive. it is his caucus, the republicans, i know republicans in the house. having heard any energy from the republican side in the

senate? are they calling that gang in mccarthy's wink and saying guys get this together? >> yes, again you know the minority leader and everybody as always, they support. this is silly. it needs to happen. it benefits nobody and in fact mcconnell leader actually said it is a loser for a republican, only time they've done it before. i just don't understand what is behind this. >> given where the stately come from that has a lot of blue-collar workers, i wonder what you made of president biden, walking that uaw line today and being with those workers. his comments which were played blunt saying they deserve to make more money. they deserve to be paid more than they are. >> awesome, awesome and i was there and it was awesome. these are incredible men and women there and i actually drove there from pennsylvania in that kind of bronco that they built. this is a pro union president,

like we have ever seen and of course, he was going to be there. he belongs there and you know just the way that the rioters unions with the one, that needs to happen for the uaw and i believe that it will. >> i had to ask you this but you know you are here and i feel like it is my one opportunity to ask you about this, apparently there was a huge conspiracy theory that i might not have just had a conversation with you. this might be the body double. am i talking to you my friend, senator orma talking to the body double? >> hey, is he here? yes you know and if you are supposed to show up and really address that but he has another duty unfortunately. >> that is just what a body double would say man, i mean that is just what a body double would say. identified a body like this, i would share want a better one. >> senator john fetterman, thank you for being here. much appreciated.

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conversation we had earlier in the show about the fight over the government shutdown. we've got to the democratic whip, catherine clark from an interview that she gave to politico and what she was asked what democrats would want in exchange for helping kevin mccarthy on a spending bill. she said quote, we want him to live up to the agreement that he made with president biden, we want to get disaster aid out. we want to continue our support for ukraine and we want to end the sham of impeachment, inquiry. she was are referring to an effort to save mccarthy shop. clark later said the only person concerned about kevin mccarthy clipping his job is kevin mccarthy. house democrats are having one conversation, how to deliver for the american people. that means preventing a shutdown and stopping devastating cuts to the program they rely on. that is tonight's reidout, only with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on all in --