is people don't want to speculate yet who i'm speaking to. i really don't know that we're going to hear much about that for the next couple of days or weeks. i'm also not really sure that much of the -- much about his mental well-being is going to be made public in the days and weeks going forward, but we'll keep asking that question. it's a very fair question to ask. >> courtney kube, thanks so much for being with us. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reportsreports" "chris jansing reports" starts right now. ♪♪ >> good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. the search for evidence to support impeachment, house republicans claim they can prove the president broke the law using dozens of pieces of evidence, but his own star witness isn't so sure. we'll go live to the hearing room in just a minute. plus, the republican debates already reduced to little more

than a political side show. could they go away altogether? the latest on donald trump calling for the gop to pull the plug on future debates as he questions whether any of his opponents should even be vice president. and is the shutdown a sure thing? president biden insists it isn't, but his hopes hinge on house republicans, in his words, doing their job. and they've got now less than three days to do it. so what happens next? lots to talk about, but we're going to start in washington where one small group perhaps ten conservative republican lawmakers are refusing to support any stopgap measure to keep the government from shutting down 59 hours from now. instead, the far right is committing critical hours to an impeachment inquiry that a new poll shows most americans do not want, and not only is there little time or public appetite for this hearing, there's zero evidence to justify holding it.

and of the three witnesses for the majority, none of them seems to have any evidence firsthand evidence related to the president. in the words of ranking member jamie raskin, not only is there no smoking gun, there's no gun and no smoke. that hasn't stopped house republicans from doing what they've been doing for months, stringing together a series of allegations and claiming it's evidence. one of their own witnesses, jonathan turley, wasn't having it. >> this is a question of an impeachment inquiry. it is not a vote on articles of impeachment. in fact, i do not believe that the current evidence would support articles of impeachment. that is something that an inquiry has to establish. but i also do believe that the house has passed the threshold for an impeachment inquiry into the conduct of president biden. >> i want to bring in nbc's ali vitali outside the hearing room, nbc's ken dilanian is in d.c., barbara mcquade is a former u.s.

attorney and university of michigan law professor and msnbc legal analyst and matthew dowd is a former chief strategist for the bush cheney re-election campaign as well as senior msnbc political analyst. so ken, bring us up to speed. what stuck out to you here? >> chris, i think that turley sound really captured the tenor of all three of the republican witnesses. they came to the hearing to say, look, there's a lot of troubling behavior here, a lot of smoke. hunter biden was paid millions of dollars including by foreign business entities. there's an email where he says i had to give half my salary to pop, that's never been explained, but there's no evidence beyond that smoke that leads to president biden, and even those witnesses had to acknowledge that there isn't, what they say is this should be investigated. and the democratic witness, a constitutional law professor said, wait a second, that's an abuse of the impeachment process. the impeachment process is not for suppositions and oversight and innuendo, it's for hard

evidence that the president of the united states committed crimes, which there doesn't seem to be any. that said, we all know this is a political game here as well, and what the republicans have succeeded in doing is putting a lot of the evidence that they've been working on for months in their oversight inquiries into hunter biden's business dealings, putting that in front of an audience has not familiar with it. it's not a great picture for democrats. the democrats acknowledge that hunter biden was essentially trading on the illusion of access to his father. he was paid millions of dollars. there's a lot of troubling evidence and paper trails, but no hard evidence that joe biden ever profited from any of this, that any of the money went to him. that's the crucial question hear. hunter biden after all is under indictment. everybody knows he's in trouble, what that says about his father's conduct as president was not made clear in today's hearing. >> all you had to do was listen to jamie raskin's opening statement and you can see that democrats are fired up to

disabuse anyone of the notion that there's anything impeach able here, but sort of what's the bar that republicans are looking at? is it simply as long as we're talking and our base is listening, then this is worthwhile? >> reporter: yes, this is something that hard right conservatives have been pushing for. it's why about two weeks ago speaker mccarthy said he would support an impeachment inquiry, but you'll say this about congressman raskin, he has been very effective today at continuing to disrupt republicans from getting any momentum or narrative story telling behind this hearing. at each turn he's been offering motions, trying to get people like rudy giuliani and lev parnas subpoenaed by this committee. it's created the vibe of a little bit of chaos or mess in this hearing room at a time when republican witnesses are not exactly marching in lock step with the narrative republican members might have wanted them to take here.

the fact that turley and others are making clear there's not enough evidence to move forward on impeachment, though they do think it's a worthwhile endeavor to continue the fact finding, it's really important especially when you consider the fact that for many americans, maybe this is the first time that they're tuning in to this, and that could jog their minds of why this is happening in the first place. i think the political that ken point out there is really critically important. the other piece of the politics is that mccarthy launched this inquiry so he could potentially let a little steam out of the pot on his right most flank. maybe that could have made it easier for him to avoid a government shutdown. it's something that democrats are reminding of. the fact that this inquiry is going on days before the government could shut down. here's one of those moments, chris. >> people are going to be hurt when this time runs out. this is not the wizard of oz when all of a sudden she turns over the hourglass while the wicked witch is standing there. these are children. these are women. these are military officers and soldiers and civilians.

these are law enforcement officers, these are senior citizens looking for paychecks for social security. why in the hell are we playing this game? and why don't we be honest? if it were so important, it could wait. this is what is important, protecting this government. and protecting the people who pay taxes here. >> reporter: and look, i think it's important to point out, republicans huddled this morning as they often do at the end of the week to talk about where they're at in terms of negotiating to avoid a shutdown. i've talked to key members out of that meeting, they are not very optimistic that they have a plan in place that would garner the amount of votes they need to not shut the government down. and frankly, i've even heard some republicans on this committee concede that maybe an impeachment inquiry, though it was set on the schedule before all of this mess on the shutdown, that maybe this isn't the best use of their time and maybe not the best image to project to the american public. nevertheless, this is where republicans are, getting what

they wanted and moving forward on this impeachment inquiry while simultaneously potentially be held responsible for shutting down the government. >> so matthew, when we talk about image and what it is that republicans want to project, are they having any success at all? or is it more likely that americans would watch this and say, you know what, he's right. this is not the wizard of oz. >> well, i think most americans who are paying attention to this are thinking to themselves, okay, if there's evidence, give us the evidence, and then we'll make a decision about whether or not joe biden is at fault here. but they're simultaneously watching the clock run down on whether or not the government's going to shut down, and they're going to be affected by it and hurt by it in the midst of this. so i think it's a catastrophic error by republicans in their regard. you would think they would, you know, aim before they shoot, but they seem to just want to shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot in the midst of this impeachment

inquiry as they're calling it. the other thing i'll say is we have seen throughout our political history shadiness or mis -- you know, mistakes made by relatives of presidents, whether it's roger clinton, neil bush, billy carter, relatives of lyndon johnson, relatives of richard nixon. none of it has blown back on the president unless there's been evidence that actually connects the president. so i think the two split screens on here, government shutdown while this clown show goes on with zero evidence only is going to behoove to the benefit of the democrats in the short-term. >> the keyword we keep hearing here, barbara is what you deal with in your day job every single day, and that is evidence. so let me play a little more. this sound is from republican nancy mace. >> in 2017 the joe biden family teamed one chinese company cefc to make millions off of granting access to joe biden.

hunter even arranged for joe biden to share office space with the ccp aligned company cefc. my democrat colleagues say none of this is relevant because joe biden wasn't vice president while his family did these shady deals. turns out that's complete and total [ bleep ] it's a lie. hunter biden referred to access to his father as the keys to his family's only asset. those words are going to come back and haunt hunter biden and his family forever. >> is that what constitutes evidence as you know it? or was there anything you heard so far today, barbara, that constitutes evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors? >> no, none whatsoever, chris, and you know, to start a criminal investigation just to talk about a parallel, you need something that's referred to as predication. and that means sound evidence, arcticable evidence from which you believe a crime has been committed that should begin an investigation. and when it comes to public

officials, there's usually a requirement that you have two pieces of evidence before you begin an investigation to prevent politically motivated witch hunts. here all we have is some puffery out of the mouth of hunter biden. was hunter biden trading on his father's name? it appears that he absolutely was shamelessly, but that has nothing to do with joe biden himself. so until they have evidence that joe biden was involved in some sort of illegal activity, or some sort of activity that compromised his ability to serve as president of the united states, an inquiry is really out of bounds in my view. and it also becomes this sort of diminishes the value of what an impeachment is all about, and perhaps that is the goal. if every president gets impeached for something, then impeachment means nothing, and so therefore the impeachments of donald trump we just shrug and say, well, all presidents get impeached. it's all political. >> so let me take the impeachment question out of it then. have you heard anything -- because i know you have followed

the hunter biden investigation very closely as well. is there anything new you heard that might help in a legal investigation? >> no. again, all we've heard relating to the relationships with foreign businesses is hunter biden trading on his father's name to be able to cash in. that may be shameful, that may be inappropriate. that may be nepotism at its worst, but there's nothing that says that joe biden was involved in that himself. so, no, i see no illegal activity whatsoever by joe biden. in fact, even with regard to hunter biden, we know that there are cases against him relating to the possession of this gun, perhaps relating to unpaid taxes, but nothing that connects him criminally with his father. >> so matthew, i mentioned the majority of voters are not on board with this. 56% of americans say congress should not be holding an impeachment inquiry, including 6 in 10 independents. we should mention that this poll

was taken earlier this month, the threat of a shutdown wasn't imminent the way it is now. but then again, i wonder if anybody pays a price. we all have short memories. so much happens in the world. does this matter in the long run? will it matter politically? >> well, i think both the shutdown and the impeachment hearings, how much they matter is totally contingent on the outcome. and so if the impeachment hearings continue as they did today with no evidence presented, no connection to joe biden in the midst of this, it's going to blow back on the republicans. if all is said is and evidence is discovered that's problematic, there's a different outcome. the same is true of the government shutdown. i don't think most americans fundamentally focus on the hurt of it until it actually happens, so they watch this and say why don't these guys fix this, but they don't really get engaged until the time it shuts down. checks stop being sent. people op being paid.

they can't get into national parks. the ripple effect from there. much of the political outcome depends on what happens in the aftermath of both of these things. >> well, you know, not even former president are carter can have his birthday celebration on sunday because they're going to shut down all the things that are run by the national park service, so we shall see what happens. dilanian, barbara mcquade, thank you both. matthew, you're going to stick around, and we're going to be keeping our eye on the impeachment hearing throughout the next couple of hours and bring you any important exchange and if there is new information, we'll have that for you as well. when we're back in just 60 seconds, i'll talk to democrat jared moskowitz who serves on the house oversight committee for his thoughts from inside the impeachment hearing. that's next. impeachment hearing. that's next. you know that unwelcome guest everyone wishes would just leave already? that's covid-19. ♪

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whether they've done anything to substantiate their allegations that the president did something wrong. i want to bring in a member of the house oversight committee florida democratic congressman jared moskowitz. thanks for dipping out for us. and i wonder how you would characterize as a trained lawyer as well as a member of congress what james comer and other republicans presented today that they call evidence? >> so thanks, chris, for having me. so this has been an unmitigated disaster for chairman comer. chairman comer has committed what i would call impeachment hearing malpractice. he has violated the first rule, which is know what your witnesses are going to say. his star witness, his first witness, professor turley said in his opening statement that there is no evidence to impeach joe biden full stop. that's it. the rest of the hearing doesn't matter. it's been a lot of regurgitation over the last nine months of these hearings.

it's the second season of the real house republicans of oversight, which is the worst tv drama on television. but the bombshell out of this hearing is that james comer's own witness said no evidence to impeach joe biden. >> i went on a number of conservative websites. i wanted to see how they view the hearing. the washington times acknowledged top legal and tax experts testified it's premature to impeach president biden. take a listen to this. >> i'm not here today to even suggest that there was corruption, fraud, or any wrongdoing. in my opinion, more information needs to be gathered and assessed before i would make such an assessment. >> so i think generally we can say nothing yet, but republicans will argue that's the whole point. they say it's enough to investigate, enough questions to continue looking into hunter biden's activity and see if it leads to his dad. is that a legitimate use of the

committee that you serve on? >> well, look, no, that's a lie. and the reason it's a lie is we know they filed articles of impeachment on joe biden in 2021, two weeks after january 6th. marjorie taylor greene filed articles of impeachment on joe biden before they had any hearings, before they had any of this so-called evidence. then they were followed up by multiple other republicans filing articles of impeachment in the donald trump friend olympics where they're all are trying to get an invite to mar-a-lago to impress donald trump, right? this is all about the fact that donald trump has two impeachments, four indictments, rite? he is winning in the category of corrupt presidents. that's why we're having this. he has beaned those instruction downs to my colleagues on truth social that he wants these hearings because he wants to muddy the water on joe biden. the problem is there's no mud. that's why these hearings have been a disaster for james comer. >> i want to ask you about a possible government shutdown. that's what this split screen

is. on one hand you have this inquiry. on the other hand the possibility, very real possibility that this is all going to go badly. so there's this group of conservative republicans, i think maybe about ten, a few more maybe. they are defiant, even as other house republicans are trying to appease the hard right. they've added some amendments, i'm sure you know this, to the four individual spending bills. one, for example, would reduce the salary of defense secretary lloyd austin to $1. he is, of course, the first black man to hold that post. so given what kind of activity there is, do you see anything at this point that could avert a shutdown? >> no, chris, and thanks for asking about that. i'm really afraid for the american people that we're going to see a shutdown, right? we're going to see this affect people's lives on an everyday basis. it's going to affect travel with the faa. it's going to affect people's social security. it's going to affect people's benefits under wic. it's going to affect senior citizens, our veterans.

it's going to affect health care because they're fighting amongst themselves. the speaker tried yesterday to are try to blame joe biden. my deep concern with that, of course, is anyone who has studied civics knows the executive branch doesn't run the legislative branch, which is congress. if that's what they think, we're in deeper trouble than i even thought at the beginning of this. i'm deeply concerned. i think we're going to be shut down. i think the question now is how long are we going to be shut down, until they stop fighting amongst themselves. this is an inner republican fight between maga members and even more extreme maga members. the senate's passing things on a bipartisan basis. i'm willing to work with my colleagues, right? i'm willing to look at things. i have no problem with government spending less. the american people are spending less. let's come up with reasonable solutions to get to that. right now they're not even enging us because they're so worried about working with the democrats and how that's going to make them look weak. >> do you think a shutdown will give them the motivation to suddenly start working with you

guys? >> no, i mean, it's unclear at the moment, i think. they're going to turn on a messaging war once this shuts down. they're going to try to blame joe biden for their republican-led maga shutdown, right? this will become a messaging war for the next couple of weeks. >> couple of weeks? >> the solution on the house will have -- oh, listen, the way things are leaking out of the republican conference where members are fighting amongst themselves, sniping at each other. it's getting pretty nasty on the other side. i think, chris, unfortunately, if we shut down, it's going to be prolonged. >> congressman jared moscow moskowitz, thank you for stepping out of the hearing. >> thank you. the search for a very different kind of evidence, did the second republican presidential debate move the needle away from donald trump at all? also ahead, president biden's response of sorts to the debate. what we expect when he speaks next hour in arizona. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc.

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. so the day after question for republican voters right now is this, did you see an alternative to donald trump in last night's debate? well, trump himself now says he doesn't think any of them is even vice presidential material, and the seven who made the stage spent little to no time arguing that they are a better choice. one of the night's rare hits

against the former president came from ron desantis. >> donald trump is missing in action. he should be on this stage tonight. he owes it to you to defend his record where they added 7.8 trillion to the debt. that set the stage for the inflation that we have now. >> well, no sign he's going to do that, and in fact, trump was counter programming 2,000 miles away with a speech to blue collar workers saving his biggest attacks not for the other republicans but for president joe biden looking ahead to the general election. nbc's dasha burns and maggie vespa are covering all of that for us. matthew dowd is former chief strategist for the bush/cheney 2004 campaign and senior msnbc political analyst. so i don't know, matthew, it was a little feistier, i think, than the first debate, which suggests that the candidates maybe know time is running out, and they're feeling some pressure, but they did spend far more time

attacking joe biden than the guy they have to beat to actually get to the point to take on biden. let me play a little bit. >> i'll say this, joe biden should not be on the picket line. he should be on the southern border working to close our southern border. >> only when we get the border secure should we ever look at putting any more money into this. our money should be about keeping americans safe. we're not doing that. joe biden's not doing that. >> joe biden doesn't belong on a picket line. he belongs on the unemployment line. >> that wasn't planned at all, matthew. what do you think? is the race different than it was? is there someone you think emerged looking more like a real number two challenger to donald trump? >> well, i think fundamentally the only way you get a number two challenger is if six candidates drop out and then you de facto have a number two challenger. none of them are doing anything strategically to become the number two challenger to donald trump. they all are being feisty.

they're all throws things, barbs. they all have one liners delivered. none of it is landing on donald trump. the problem they have under the tactics they're doing is they're fighting over 40% of the vote and splitting it up among six or seven people, while donald trump has consolidated 55% of the republican primary vote. and so i don't often agree with donald trump. donald trump is actually correct in saying why are we holding these debates. basically the republican primary voters have fundamentally decided at this point they want donald trump to be the nominee, and no other candidate has emerged as an alternative, primarily because none of the other candidates, with the exception of chris christie, but chris christie has problems because a majority of republicans don't like him, none of the other candidates are trying to present themselves as an alternative or in conflict with donald trump. so it fundamentally goes to me as why are you running against donald trump if you're not going to campaign against donald

trump? >> yeah, they did yell at each other on a few occasions. i want to play one particular moment where it was sometimes a little hard to figure out exactly what was going on. l. >> excuse me -- thank you for speaking while interrupting while i'm speaking. if i may -- >> challenger -- >> can't be on both sides. >> gentlemen you'll have your turn -- >> one of the challenges -- >> can we please focus on the issues that matter? >> that might be my favorite line of the night. thank you for speaking while i'm interrupting. you had desantis, scott, and ramaswamy yelling at each other. nikki haley kind of looked like a tired mom, like come on, boys, stop. i don't know. i think if viewers are looking at this, and they are even -- look, you say you basically agree with donald trump about whether, you know, there's anybody here who presents a strong candidacy, enough that there should even be another debate, is there a vice president in there?

what are they running for then? do they still believe, matthew, that they can win this? >> i would -- well, i would like to -- if there's a sanity test to be had and if you could ask them whether or not think still think they could believe its and they answer yes, then you have the answer to whether or not they're sane in the course of this. i don't think most of them think they can win. i think many of them are running for many other purposes. maybe it's not even to be vp. maybe it's just to create a national brand so they can go on and do television or write books or whatever they have to be, which many presidential campaigns do. that clip you showed me, to me it signified such a big part of this debate and the contrast of donald trump. i have four kids, that reminded me of when i asked what do you want on your pizza, and you finally just say i'm going to order cheese. i think most republican primary voters are going to go with what they've always known, which is

donald trump. when they watch what they watched last night and then they think this is the choice, watching that or donald trump, the vast majority of the republican primary after watching that is going to choose donald trump. >> maybe that's what nikki haley was thinking. i'm just going to order cheese. so dasha, i'm guessing the campaigns have a different perspective on this. what are you hearing from the candidates? >> reporter: well, look, chris ivgs in the spin room last night and it's trickling over into this morning, spin, spin, spin. of course every campaign is saying that had their candidate did great, that they're the ones that won the night. and look, you did see a slightly different strategy from several candidates last night. you had florida governor ron desantis come out from the beginning taking a swing at former president trump. that is kind of new for him, and it will be interesting to see what that means going forward. is he going to take a harder line at trump? because we've seen him so far really only react to questions about donald trump, not really

take him on directly. you also had haley, with some zingers. you know, she had the meme line of the night when she went after ramaswamy saying that hearing him talk makes her feel dumber. that's already trending all over the internet. you had ramaswamy taking a lot of heat yet again. his campaign says that means that people are threatened for him, by him, that that means that he is actually doing really well. they like him in the hot seat like that, and he actually also had a slightly different strategy. last time he really fought back a lot. this time you heard him saying, guys, let's be nice basically each time he was getting hit. he wasn't fighting back, and tim scott actually showed up this time around. the question is does any of this really make a difference, and last time it took a few days before we saw nikki haley get that bump from this debate, so i think it's hard to say whether anyone really won just yet. i think we'll have to see the voter reactions after folks have

a few nights of sleep, chris. >> so maggie, meanwhile, speaking to workers in a non-union factory in michigan, donald trump didn't even mention any of the debaters for almost 30 minutes, so what did he talk about? >> reporter: yeah, so he actually spoke for more than an hour, in a word, what he talked about was biden. he talked about the president. he hammered home his criticisms of the president and specifically tapped into fierce that a lot of uaw members have about the administration's push for the industry to shift to electric vehicles. and that in the long-term costing the union jobs. the white house has said -- trump says it will kill union jobs. the white house has repeatedly refuted that saying they're encouraging investment into american battery plants and electric vehicle factories and that they offered tax incentives for american who is buy clear cars that were built in the united states. regardless, that is a concern a lot of members have. that's part of the negotiations with the big three, ford, chrysler, stellantis, and gm.

when you hear about job security, a lot of people say, yeah, they share that fear. you can hear the support out here today. they share that fear, but they also did not like one particular thing, a number of things for some people, but one consensus we're hearing is one quote donald trump had. it's the first sentence in this soundbite that i want to play. it's made a lot of headlines today and ruffled a lot of feathers out here. take a listen. >> i want you out there with the pickets, but i don't think you're picketing for the right thing. but if they endorse me your leadership, you can tell them to -- do me a favor. just get your union guys y your leaders to endorse me. okay? there you go. the former president saying i don't think you're picketing for the right thing, and then moments later pivoting to asking for the union's endorsement. a lot of people out here not

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today congress is racing toward a government shutdown with at least ten far right lawmakers saying they will not vote for any stopgap measure, an almost insurmountable roadblock for speaker mccarthy's effort to overcome the stalemate. president biden is calling out republicans with federal funding set to run out at midnight sunday morning. >> the american people need our republican friends in the house of representatives to do their job, fund the government. >> mr. president, do you think a government shutdown is inevitable? >> i don't think anything's inevitable in politics. [ inaudible question ] >> if i knew that, i would have done it already. >> joining us now, nbc's julie

tsirkin on capitol hill. what do we know about where negotiations stand right now? are there even negotiations, julie? what's happening? >> reporter: there are negotiations, but it seems like every hour, chris, there's a new plan that lawmakers are coming up with because the plan that speaker mccarthy had going into this month is clearly not working. and in the words of one republican senator, this is what happens when you study right before the test, when you start looking over your notes the night before the exam. your results are going to be reflective of that, and look, you have a group of senate republicans who just met last hour trying to add some border security provisions to the senate bill that includes aid for ukraine and disaster relief. that's not going to be accepted, though, over in the house. but they're certainly trying. as for speaker mccarthy, he's not ready to give it up just yet. take a listen to what he said this morning. >> it's not going to happen by sunday, it probably won't happen by sunday. >> don't give up. oh, listen, i know sunday's football day. if people have this type of

attitude, they quit in the third quarter. one thing i hope you realize about me is i never give up. and you know what? if we have to play into overtime to get it right, i will do just that. i wake up every day optimistic. i'd say put your money on me. we're going to get this done. >> reporter: playing into overtime would most certainly mean they will keep negotiating after the government has shut down. while these negotiations are taking place, multiple senators, multiple lawmakers on the house side told me this is the work they could have been doing months ago. this is the work they should have been doing months ago. senator cornyn told me mccarthy was able to pull the rabbit out of the magic hat before. he referenced the debt ceiling negotiations and getting the speakership gavel in the first place. he's not ready give up on mccarthy yet. the clock is ticking here first, and it's almost certainly ticking towards a government shutdown. >> julie tsirkin, thank you for that. the time has come for 40 million

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as you mentioned, the president is expected to pay homage to democracy and bipartisanship here in arizona and also honoring the late john mccain as well. the white house releasing transcripts, excerpts overnight of this speech, and while those excerpts do not show the president naming his likely rival donald trump by name, it does really show him painting the 2024 presidential election in very stark terms. accordinto one of those exce the president is expected to say there iso question that today's republican party is driven and intimidated by maga extremists. their extreme agenda, if carried out, would fundamentally alter the institutions of american democracy as we know it. the president also expected to announce federal funds for the building of a mccain library here in arizona. again, his speech is expected to get underway in aboutt an hour. i wonder matthew, thinking

about and having covered presidential campaign of john mccain if someone like him could survive in 2023. and is this an effective way for the president to draw contrast about the old republican party and the new republican party, democracy, and an attack on democracy. i wonder what your thought is as you're watching this split screen right now >> well, first john mccain could come close to winning a republican primary today. if he were to exist today, if he were alive, he would have to run as an independent or even maybe a democrat because that's actually the republican party todayly wanted nothing to do wi john mccain while he was alive, and donald trump certainly did notld like and constantly criticized john mccain in this. i think it's a very smart move on the president. i think it's a realization, i always thought they would come to this over the course of the 2024 campaign. i think they wanted to try to

make this a referendum on bidenomics and biden policies. i think they have realized in my view that that's not going to get them over the finish line and win o the race, they have t make this about a big issue like democracy. i hope if he does this, the most effective way to do this is not only to talk about democracy but wrap freedoms and liberty, including economic liberty as part of his dependent upon democracy and what's under attack, so the freedom of choice, health care choices by women. the freedom to go to school without getting shot. the freedom to sort of have clean water or being able to live somewhere outside of a floodve or a drought because of climate change. all of the freedoms and liberties are completely dependent upon our democracy being functional. if he wraps it in that broad way and then talks about it consistently, not just one speech in arizona, i think that's what the 2020 campaign would be most effectivelyte arge for over joe biden, not over a

referendum on his policies related to the economy. >> it's interesting to me, in a coincidence, i think it's a coincidence i of timing on the same day the long planned speech is being delivered and the announcement of the library for john mccain, a source close to kari lake,n unflinching election denier tells nbc that she is going to launch a run for senate next month, though she hasn't accepted her loss in the 2022 governor's race. so this i speech has plenty of real world examples that could call on. i wonder if you think a kari lake can win, and what is that race going to tell us about where we are as ao democracy? >> well, after what happened in 2016 with donald trump winning, i no longer say nobody can win in onthis, and so i think kari lake is the odds-on favorite to win the republican nomination. she's very unpopular as a whole in the state, and the race in

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a delaware state trooper is now facing multiple felonies after he reportedly hunted down and beat a teenager who played a

popular prank called dingdong ditch at his front door. nbc's kristen dahlgren has the report. >> reporter: prosecutors say it started with a prank often called dingdong ditch. in this case, a kick to the door, before the teen runs away. but the house was that of a delaware state trooper, and authorities say what happened next led to felony charges for trooper dempsey walters. >> it was his decision to enact his own form of personal justice. >> body cam video blurred before it was released by authorities appears to show walters roughly taking down a teen named al before tracking down the boy named jaden seen in the doorbell video. >> on the ground, now. >> prosecutors say dempsey turned off his body camera before punching the 15-year-old seated in the back of the car. other body cam videos show jaden

crying out for help. sam davis represents the families of both teens and provided these pictures of jaden's injuries, including a broken eye socket. >> it took two surgeons eight hours to put plates and 11 screws and a piece of mesh to try to heal his broken face. >> walters was indicted under delaware's new deprivation of civil rights law, and pleaded not guilty. nbc news reached out to walters and has not received a response. >> as a mother and a grandmother watching that video footage is very difficult. as a prosecutor, the constitutional violations i saw were stunning. >> reporter: walters has been suspended without pay while his higher ups offered this apology. >> to the victims and their families impacted by the actions of mr. walters, i'm sorry. >> reporter: kristen dahlgren, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour