families of both teens and provided these pictures of jaden's injuries, including a broken eye socket. >> it took two surgeons eight hours to put plates and 11 screws and a piece of mesh to try to heal his broken face. >> walters was indicted under delaware's new deprivation of civil rights law, and pleaded not guilty. nbc news reached out to walters and has not received a response. >> as a mother and a grandmother watching that video footage is very difficult. as a prosecutor, the constitutional violations i saw were stunning. >> reporter: walters has been suspended without pay while his higher ups offered this apology. >> to the victims and their families impacted by the actions of mr. walters, i'm sorry. >> reporter: kristen dahlgren, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris

jansing reports." let's get right to it. at this hour, did they plan for that to happen? stunned reactions on capitol hill, when a key witness called by republicans says the current evidence doesn't support impeaching the president. the mattress defense, bob menendez faces his colleagues for the first time since allegations of bribes and gold bars. can he convince any of them that he doesn't need to resign? trumping the debate, the republican front runner skips the stage and says he could cross names off his vip list. and the candidates spend more time fighting each other than fighting to bridge the gap with donald trump. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with ken dilanian at

the surprise testimony today at the biden impeachment inquiry. what happened? >> reporter: well, chris, the republican star witness, constitutional law professor jonathan turley, a frequent guest on fox news perhaps didn't deliver the kind of testimony that the republicans were looking for. he was pretty restrained, actually. what he essentially said was there's a lot of smoke here. there's some troubling conduct by hunter biden. there's some e-mails that suggest his father may have been aware of his business dealings, but there isn't enough evidence to actually bring articles of impeachment. take a listen to jonathan turley. >> the shortening intervals between impeachments should be a cause of concern and circumspection for all the members on both sides. this is a question of an impeachment inquiry. it is not a vote on articles of impeachment. in fact, i do not believe that the current evidence would support articles of impeachment.

that is something that an inquiry has to establish. but i also do believe that the house has passed the threshold for an impeachment inquiry into the conduct of president biden. >> reporter: so what we have seen for the last several hours are the republicans repeating a series of allegations, more than allegations, facts that they have unearthed about hunter biden's business dealings over the last several months with subpoenas and other kinds of requests that paint a troubling picture of hunter biden selling what the democrats acknowledge was the illusion of access to his father, but they have presented no hard evidence that suggests that president biden profited from this in any way. and democrats are growing increasingly frustrated. take a listen to representative maxwell frost. >> this fake impeachment is based on desperate political calculation, not any evidence. and mr. chairman, you say this hearing is to establish the

basis for this fake sham impeachment hearing, but these witnesses are not giving us any basis or giving us any evidence or any solutions. they are giving us -- i reclaim my time. >> i have to stop. that's not what you just said. >> these witnesses are not giving any answers, they're just asking more questions. >> reporter: and he was making the point that none of the four witnesses there today are fact witnesses. they don't have any original information. they're merely commenting on the information unearthed by republicans, and largely what they have said is there's a lot of smoke here and it should be investigated but none of them have said that any of this evidence merits impeaching the president of the united states, chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you. well, for the first time since his indictment, senator bob menendez spoke directly to a group of his democratic colleagues today. nbc's ali vitali is on the hill for us. so a lot of these democrats, and some of them haven't called yet for menendez's resignation have said they were waiting to hear

from him. what do we know about what's gone on inside that room? >> reporter: look, you know it had to be a tough room there, chris, because while it's not every democratic senator calling for menendez's resignation, it is the large part of that. more than half of the caucus has called for him to step down in the aftermath of this indictment. menendez, though, is continuing to double down on his stance that he's not going anywhere, that he will beat these charges, and that when it's all said done, he will remain the senior senator from new jersey. that seems to be a message that's similar to what we would have expected him to deliver in that room, though in catching up with him in the immediate moments after he exited, he seems to say the message he's brought to colleagues is going to stay for his colleagues alone. this is what our reporting captured. >> i have for 18 years, and they'll be looking forward to.

>> reporter: that footage from our great intern laurie who caught up with the senator as he was leaving that lunch, what he says there is fact and also a subtle threat there. yes, menendez has been a steady democratic vote, but it's also a reference to the extremely tight margins that senate democrats have to control the senate chamber. it's a reminder that, yes, they need his vote, even if he were to resign, though, i do think it's important for us to keep in mind the democratic governor of new jersey would likely appoint a democrat to fill in seat. it's not like the balance of power would change. never the less, menendez reminding of why they need him, at least while he's still in the building. >> ali vitali, thank you for that. president trump meantime skipped last night's debate to make a play for michigan's working class voters in the middle of an auto strike. nbc's maggie vespa is reporting from wayne, michigan, where workers continue to picket outside a ford plant. what are they telling you about the visit by the former

president? >> reporter: yeah, so chris, they say they see some merit in some of the comments that the former president gave at that nonunion autobody plant in detroit. he spoke for an hour to a crowd of 300. it contained some uaw members in the crowd, about a handful of which told our team they are members on strike. the president used the bulk of the time to go after the former president, going after the current president, joe biden, and his push to electric vehicles, which former president trump says he believes will chill union jobs. the white house has repeatedly refuted that. people on the picket lines, that is a concern for them. they're concerned about the long-term job security when it comes to electric vehicles. that is something they're negotiating with on the big three. we talk about job security stipulations in the contract talks. that's a lot of what we're referring to.

we will note, one of a handful of times the president mentioned his gop rival, if we want to call them that, although you pointed out the numbers maybe don't support that label was when he was talking about sort of potential job prospects for those who were on the debate stage across the country. this was a key moment, take a listen. >> you know, we're competing with the job candidates, they're all running for a job. no, they're all job candidates. they want to be in the -- they'll do anything. secretary of something. they even say vp. does anybody see any vp in the group? i don't think so. >> reporter: so there was that moment that as you can imagine didn't resonate with a lot of members on the picket lines, and there was another moment where the president said he, from what he has seen of the picketers, what he heard from the demands, i don't think you're picketing the right things. a lot of members saw merit in the comments about the electric vehicle, and they didn't like

the moment they were getting lectured by the former president about their demands, what they were picketing for, and some of them their strike platform was being used as a platform for general politics. a lot of people telling us they want to ignore the political circus, and they just want to focus on getting a deal with the big three. chris. >> maggie vespa, thank you. let's go to california now where the republican candidates not named trump were angling for a breakout moment at the debate. nbc's dasha burns was following that for us. a couple of candidates weren't afraid to attack the former president. by and large that was not the preponderance of them. >> reporter: chris christie went after former president trump. that's of course not new. it's a core tenet of his campaign and his message, but also florida governor ron desantis took some swings at former president trump, which is new in that he typically responds with some criticism of

former president trump when asked but doesn't necessarily come out swinging like he did last night. take a listen and we'll talk on the other side. >> the former president, you know, he's missing in action tonight. he's had a lot to say about that. he should be here explaining his comments to try to say that pro life protections are somehow a terrible thing. i want him to look into the eyes and tell people who have been fighting this fight for a long time. >> i tell you, donald, i know you're watching. you can't help yourself. i know you're watching, okay, and you're not here tonight. not because of polls and not because of your indictments, you're not here today because you're afraid of being on the stage and defending your record. you're ducking these things, and let me tell you what's going to happen, you keep doing that, no one up here is going to donald trump anymore, we're going to call you donald duck. >> reporter: yeah, he definitely had that line in his back pocket, but look, the question for florida governor ron desantis, we have been talking, chris, for months that he needs

to find his footing when it comes to how he's going to handle trump. he seems to be doing it now. is it too late. for months now, he has been walking this fine line, trying not to alienate that maga base. trying to chip away at some of those trump voters. that clearly has not been working. he's sort of been alienating moderates in the meantime, so now he seems to be changing his strategy a little bit, but, again, is it coming a little too late? we'll have to see in the coming weeks and months, chris. >> dasha burns, thank you. insults and infighting at the second gop presidential debate without much talk about a strategy to take on the man who wasn't on the stage. the one question no one wanted to answer when we're back in 60 seconds. k in 60 seconds. megawatts of power, rails and open road, and essential services of every kind. all running on countless invisible networks, making it a prime target for cyberattacks.

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debate put any of them in a position to really challenge donald trump. the two hours was heavy on personal insults and people talking over each other, and then there was the fight to get the sound bite of the night. >> i have a radical idea for the republican party. we need to win elections. and part of how we win elections is reaching the next generation of young americans where they are. >> this is infuriating because tiktok is one of the most dangerous social media apps that we could have. >> yes, it is. >> and what you've got, honestly every time i hear you, i feel a little bit dumber for what you say. you're wanting kids to get on this social media that's dangerous for all of us. you were in business with the chinese and gave hunter biden $5 million, we can't trust you. >> so what did voters think, and where does the race go from here? let's bring in nbc's shaquille brewster, and mike murphy, republican strategist and msnbc political analyst, and cohost of "the hacks on tap" podcast with

david axelrod, good to see you guys. you watched the debate with voters in wisconsin, what was their take away? >> yes, these were the same group of voters i talked to after the first debate. it was new faces but self-described conservative voters, all voted for trump in 2020 and said they would support him again. after last night's debate, there was interest in some of the other candidates who were on stage last night. i want you to listen to some of our conversations right after last night's debate. >> at the very end when dana pe reno asked who you're going to vote off the island, he took control of the situation and turned it around. that showed to me a lot of leadership. >> i came in like desantis. vivek ramaswamy and tim scott. >> now what are you thinking. >> the same three. >> safety is important to me, abroad and at home. the people i would feel safest with would be desantis, number

one, and i would say, i can't believe i'm saying this but chris christie, number two. and then, three, i like doug burgum. >> there was a lot of frustration over the candidates talking over one another. they couldn't hear what was going on, and they wanted to hear more information and learn more about these candidates. there was also interest in some of the lower polling candidates like chris christie and doug burgum, when i asked who won the debate, separate from their personal feelings, who did they believe won the debate, there was no clear answer, chris, and that suggests to me that last night's debate didn't fundamentally shift the dynamics of the race, where they know that the person who wasn't on stage last night is the one who's currently dominating the republican primary. >> yeah, and i mentioned this going in, mike. one of the things you want to do is have that moment, right, that gets replayed where, you know, it's kind of the moment of the

night. alternatively, there are more cringe worthy moments which arguably folks may have had. in this case, speaking about education, let's listen. >> when you have the president of the united states sleeping with a member of the teachers union, there is no chance that you could take the stranglehold away from the teachers union every day. >> by way of full disclosure, you mentioned the president's situation, my wife isn't a member of the teachers union, but i got to admit, i've been sleeping with a teacher for 38 years, and full disclosure. >> okay. mike, i'm going to let you grade that exchange and the debate as a whole. >> well, i don't think former vice president pence is looking at a big stand-up career, he ought to stay out of the laugh factory. there's always one of these things, where ad-lib or the staff writes a bad joke,

christie had a whopper of a bad joke with the donald duck line, the build up was fine. if we step back and look at the debate, a lot of the analysis is missing the point, and i come from the point of view of a campaign hack actually running these campaigns. every time donald trump chickens out of a debate, he gives somebody else an opportunity to become a star. in the last debate, it was nikki haley whose campaign was in real trouble. now in private polling, she's moved up to a pretty good second place in iowa and new hampshire, which is what the campaign is about. you know, these national polls measure a national primary that doesn't exist. this is about delegates picked in a series of contests, and donald trump is a lot more vulnerable in the polling in iowa and new hampshire. at the very beginning f the process for them. it seems like forever to us and other places. the second point is two weeks ago in tallahassee, there was a death watch on ron desantis's campaign. he was improved enough last night that i think that will go

away and land him in the all important iowa caucus and new hampshire primaries. while trump is still the favorite, the front runner, there's a lot going on in the early states, and the candidates who are competitive there, i might add, scott, i think he had an okay night, better than before, they're becoming more competitive. there's a cbs poll -- >> but the clock is ticking, mike, how much time do they have? >> the primaries were very late. time is always a resource you can't make more of. but at this time in, say, 2015, my old buddy john mccain was dead in the water at this time before the 2008 contest. trump did not have a lock at this time. the front runner in iowa was scott walker in the early polls. primaries moved late. the real season that counts, things really start moving around thanksgiving.

we've got to wait and see, and i think these debates are an opportunity for those contenders to talk to those voters and grow a little bit. and so far that's slowly what's been happening. >> we heard the first person that shaq played in that little set of clips talk about a moment with a question from dana perino. let me bring that back, and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> none of you have indicated that you're dropping out, so which one of you on stage tonight should be voted off the island? >> with all due respect, we're here, we're happy to debate. i think that's disrespectful to my fellow competitors. >> i vote donald trump off the island right now. >> what does it tell you, mike, that most of them, with the exception of chris christie won't go after their main opponent directly? they can say whatever you think of donald trump, he did some great things as president, but he's got 90 indictments against him. it's a drag on the party. it's time for someone younger,

fresher, more electable. why won't they say that? >> well, they should. you know, christie has become very unpopular in the party with the frontal assault, but he kind of had other problems before. the fact is, and i don't know why they don't understand this, you can't beat trump without beating him. it's simple. this is an alpha contest, at the end of it, there's a young lion with a bloody mouth and an old lion walking away. desantis took his pop at him in a big audience. it's not enough. they have to make the case of me not him. we haven't heard that yet, and if we don't hear it in the next debate in miami when the thing starts ramping up as i was explaining before, it's a deadly mistake for them. they have to get people to decide, give trump a medal, he was good for the first year, maybe, time to move on, and we're just not hearing that argument clearly enough for one of these candidates to win yet.

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put country over politics. the president will be joined by the senator's wife, cindy mccain, announcing a library in mccain's honor. joining us now, jim messina, white house deputy chief of staff under president obama and campaign manager for obama's 2012 reelection campaign. always good to see you. i want to start with excerpt. quote, there is an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs of our moacy, the maga movement. we're at an inflection point in our history, one of those moments that only happens once every few generations where the decisions we make today will determine the course of this country and world for decades to come. how significant do you view this message? even just take it as a political statement as we're heading into 2024. >> well, chris, this is joe biden at his absolute best, trying to say to this country,

look, wake up. this is a moment where donald trump and his maga extremists are hijacking our country and attempting to thwart democracy. we saw this on january 6th. we see in the absolute denial of the major republican candidates on that stage last night to admit the insurrectionists tried to take over the country. maga extremists have coopted the republican party and the republican party of john mccain is now gone, and this is joe biden now saying to his country, this is the moment we all need to stand up, link hands, and come together to save our democracy before it's too late, chris! he has been talking about this. we pointed out, this is his fourth speech like this, but now there's this new nbc poll that shows republicans have actually a one-point lead over democrats when you're asked who do you trust more to protect democracy. now, yeah, that's within the margin of error, but last year democrats held a 7-point

advantage. why do you think this message isn't resonating? >> well, it's one of the many reasons i don't like polls because i think it gives you a snapshot in time, chris, but look, january 6th is now almost 2, 2 1/2 years ago, people start to forget, and to your point, this is the fourth time joe biden has spoken about this. he's going back and at it over and over again to remind people, and let's remember, he got a lot of grief in the 2022 elections, making a speech like this. people said, oh, he doesn't get it, it's not the right time to do this, and it was one of the fundamental issues that helped democrats in the midterm elections by waking up their base to say this is your moment to be heard, and i do think it's good politics no matter what the polls say. >> the president works with john mccain for i think it was 22 years in the senate. i want to listen to part of the president's eulogy that he gave back then for a man who was his close friend. >> my name's joe biden.

i'm a democrat. and i love john mccain. >> the way things have changed so much in america, they look at him as if john came by a different name, they live by a code, an antiquated code where honor, courage, character, integrity, duty, that was obvious how john lived his life. but the truth is john's code was ageless. is ageless. >> talk to me about what you see as the correlation between mccain's political legacy, someone able to rise above the madness, and the message biden is trying to bring voters in 2024. and can it resonate? is it ageless? or is it antiquated?

>> it's not antiquated. it's not ageless. i mean, it is ageless. like what americans want is people to put the politics aside and work together. i worked in the united states senate in over a decade, and i used to see john mccain and joe biden sitting in the corner with their arms around each other, talking quietly, trying to figure out the issues of the day, being bipartisan, they were both chair of the foreign relations committee at different times. they worked together across party lines, chris, to do what's right, and that's what this country wants, and it's what joe biden is going to remind the country today in arizona. >> jim messina, it's always good to see you. thank you so much for coming on the show. >> and still ahead, we're live in baltimore with breaking news on the arrest of a man police believe murdered a 26-year-old tech ceo. what investigators have said about the suspect's allegedly violent past. and what's next for the american soldier now back in the u.s. after months in north

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baltimore police say they have a violent repeat offender behind bars for the murder of a young tech ceo. 26-year-old pava lapere had been featured on the 40 under 40 for her work with a software start up. she was found dead in her apartment on monday with blunt force injuries. nbc's ron allen is in baltimore

for us. what more do we know about the suspect who is now in custody, ron? >> reporter: well, he's got a very violent past according to court records that we've seen, and we know that he was released from prison on probation and parole back in october, despite being on the sex offenders list and pleading guilty to a very violent rape incident. a lot of criticism of that, although it seems to comport with the law here in the state of maryland. we also learned today that police were pursuing him, had him under surveillance, in fact, for a crime that happened, an alleged crime that happened a week before lapere's murder, a case involving attempted murder and rape and arson. they did not publicize it widely because they thought they were closing in on him, raising questions if the murder could have been prevented if the police had raised the alarm about the suspect being on the loose. they were asked about that at the press conference.

here's some of that exchange. take a listen. >> this was a violent rapist who was roaming the streets of baltimore, and the public had no idea. could this knowledge have prevented pava's death? >> i'm not going to speculate if it could have prevented her death. what i know we did is as soon as we realized that there was a public safety, we had the press conference. the first incident on edmondson avenue was not a random act. we would have put out a flier right away saying this individual was on the loose. >> reporter: the police said as soon as they put out word that they were looking for billingsley, as they expected, he went underground. he turned off whatever devices they were able to track, and they lost track of him as they expected. which again, was part of how they defended their action. the bottom line, though, today, prosecutors are vowing to put this individual away for the rest of his life. he's charged with murder. he's going to be charged with attempted murder, rape and other crimes in connection with other incidents, and they're still

looking back over the past year to see if there are other incidents he can be connected to, and also, as i said earlier, a lot of questions about the system and the process that allows someone on the sex offenders list to be able to be released from prison on probation after serving essentially what was half of a 14-year sentence, chris. >> ron allen, answers that folks still want. travis king is at a military base in texas, set to go post isolation treatment at an army medical center in san antonio. the american soldier landed back in the u.s. just this morning released by officials after he crossed into north korea without authorization back in july. nbc's josh lederman is following the latest on king's return. josh, what do we know about what's next for travis king? >> reporter: travis king is said to be in good health and in good spirits at brook army medical center, the same facility where americans brittney griner and trevor reid were brought after their release from detention in russia.

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we have been keeping our eyes and ears on the biden impeachment inquiry in the house, and i want to show you a really interesting moment. it took place about 20 minutes ago when texas congressman greg kasar was discussing equal justice, something republicans have been complaining has been missing when it comes to hunter biden. with that in mind, the congressman tried to test republicans' commitment to equal justice. here's what happened. >> please raise your hand if you believe both hunter and trump should be held accountable for any of the indictments against them if convicted. i want to see whether you'd raise your hand. should hunter and trump be held accountable if they're found guilty on any of their

indictments? raise your hand if you think that equal justice under the law applies. i think it is worse than embarrassing that republicans won't raise their hands. >> we're going to keep our eyes on that hearing, and we'll let you know if anything else comes out of it. meantime, let's go to the courtrooms. recusal denied. the judge overseeing former president donald trump's federal election interference trial says she will not recuse herself after trump's lawyers claim she was biassed against them. in a strongly worded u.s. district judge tanya chutkan said the commentshe made at hearings for two other january 6th defendants do not manifest a deep seated prejudice that would make fair possible. trump's lawyer claimed the judge's comments were inherently

disqualifying. what do you make of judge chutkan's response here? >> well, chris, it's unsurprising, and to be expected. i didn't think that judge chutkan was going to remove herself from this case, particularly not for any reason related to previous january 6th defendants. i think that people need to understand it's very common that judges will deal with issues that are overlapping with cases that they may not have already heard or may end up on their docket at some point, and so this is no surprise that judge chutkan, number one, is being faced with this issue and this question, nor is it a surprise that she responded in the way that she did. it's also important to understand it's not a surprise that donald trump and his legal team sought to try to have her removed from this case because this is number of -- this is among the different legal maneuvers that i initially predicted donald trump's team would seek to impose to elongate the trial and move as soon as they could.

>> did they get that in that regard? >> they didn't. i don't think they understood or expected that it was going to get further than this. i think they're filing different motions to try and delay as much as they can to get extensions to try to prolong stuff, but in this case, this was a very simple and straightforward no. they likely knew that it wasn't going to happen. i think that they would have loved to have it deliberated over for a little bit longer and they may file an appeal. i don't think that will be successful, and i also don't think it's going to give them the type of delayed period they would like, but again, they're going to exhaust, as they should, every legal measure on behalf of their client to try and give him as best a shot at avoiding a conviction as possible. >> the other thing we're watching closely here is that she still has to decide whether to grant the government's request to impose at least a limited gag order on trump. what exactly would a gag order mean here? and do you think it's going to happen? >> i do expect that judge chutkan is going to grant in

part what the prosecution has asked for. i expect she's going to put some limitations on what donald trump can and cannot say, particularly as it relates to non parties, to witnesses, to anyone connected to the trial that could threaten a fair and impartial notion going forward. whatever order she issues is going to be tailored to make sure she's aware of the fact that he is a political candidate who is running for president, and so there are going to be things that he can say or should be able to say basically by way of his first amendment rights, and i don't think she's going to infringe upon that. so ultimately, she will likely grant something that the government has asked for, but it's going to be narrowly tailored to make sure it protects the right people, that it protects the integrity of the trial and proceeding without putting a complete bar on what he can say as a candidate who's looking for the republican

nomination. >> and let me ask you about the charges that are still pending in the civil fraud case because new york attorney general letitia james and trump's lawyers have released prospective witness lists for the trial, which is expected to start on monday. they include trump himself, his children, michael cohn, allen weisselberg, have you taken a look at the list, and what do you make of it? >> well, the judge can mandate that notify these individuals takes the stand. what they can't necessarily mandate because we have a constitutionally protected right against self-incrimination is that they answer certain questions that have larger implications. if the prosecution or if the plaintiff in this case because it is a civil case, not a criminal case, if the plaintiff decides to call any of these individuals as witnesses and the judge compels their testimony, that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to get into a whole bunch of matters that

would you willy be used against them in a criminal court of law. they're going to have an attorney who's going to advise them if they are compelled to testify by the judge, that they don't have to answer certain questions, and you will see them pleading the fifth in certain cases. it is an interesting witness list, and it's important to remember, crist, for all of our viewers out there, just because you have someone on your witness list at trial doesn't mean you are required to call them. however, if you submit your witness list and it does not have a witness on it, it is going to preclude you from being able to call them at trial. often times, attorneys will make their witness lists more inclusive and more exhaustive rather than less just to preserve their rights, even if it's not someone they ultimately decide to call at trial. >> charles coleman, thank you so much, always good to have you on the show. while the senate has now decided that a more casual dress code is not exactly tailor made for tradition. in a unanimous vote, lawmakers formalized a long standing but

previously unofficial requirement that members have to show up to the chamber in, quote, business attire. at the center of the debate, pennsylvania senator john fetterman, who had pressed to wear his signature hoodie and shorts on the hill, fetterman had a one meme response to the vote, we'll let that picture speak for itself. with just days to go before a possible government shutdown, the impact a standstill could have on your money, even if you aren't a federal employee. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. msnbc

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the looming government shutdown is already having an impact in unexpected places. jimmy carter turns 99 on sunday, but that's the same day as the new fiscal year which means several significant sites in his life, including his boyhood home and farm in plains, georgia, could all be closed on his 99th birthday since they're operated by the national parks service. so the festivities are moving up a day. on saturday, the jimmy carter historical park will display a birthday banner with signatures from well wishers, while former white house staffers will gather at carter's former high school. the carter center, a nonprofit that will not be affected by the shutdown will offer $0.99 admission. now to your pocketbook as millions are bracing on what a

shutdown could mean for their wallet. seema mody is here. consumers are facing high inflation, what do we know about what the impact a shutdown would have not just on federal employees but americans overall. >> this just adds to the pain. what we know is that federal workers deemed nonessential would be furloughed. the impact on the employmen story here in america, that will be key. it affects the military contractors hired by the federal government would be at risk of not getting paid, and dep on the length of the shutdown, millions of americans may also lose certain benefits, including section 8 housing vouchers, veterans benefits and loans secured by small businesses. overall, ey expects the shutdown to shave 1/10 of a percentage of gdp on a weekly basis. the exact impact on growth depends on how long the shutdown progresses. if a deal is not reached by saturday, the travel industry bracing for cancellations and

flight delays as air traffic controllers and tsa agents would not be paid until the shut down ended. earlier this week in a press conference, transportation secretary pete buttigieg calling it a quote particularly bad time nor a government shutdown, one of many economic concerns facing this nation as you just pointed out. >> seema mody from cnbc. thank you so much, it's good to have you on the show. that's going to do it for the show this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. the government shuts down in less than three days, and right now in the house of representatives, there's a flurry of action. we're going on hour five of heated debate with long, fiery speeches telling the american public that their country is at