we're back with a lot more to cover on this second hour of "chris jansing reports", starting on capitol hill, a place that's been racked by discord and verbal sparring.

but today a powerful moment of unity and silence. [ no audio ] >> dianne feinstein, the longest serving woman in the senate and a champion nor gun control and gender rights dies at the age of 90. the emotional tributes bridge a divided washington. the tension and the impact as any hope of averting a government shutdown is looking bleaker by the hour amid republican infighting. a key vote failing in the house today. and breaking in new york -- the state of emergency as torrential rains trigger flash floods, roadways and subways inundated. it is a nightmare for commuters. and the breaking news for michigan -- the uaw president called for an additional 7,000 autoworkers to go on strike. or nbc news reporters are following all the latest developments and we begin in washington with rare displace of raw emotion after the death of

legendary senator dianne feinstein. ryan nobles is following this for us. what are you hearing today, ryan? >> reporter: well, chris, you were right, you described it perfectly, just an outpouring of support from across party lines for the legendary senator dianne feinstein. her death, greeted with innumerous amount of sadness, but also an enormous amount of respect for the legacy she will leave behind here not only in capitol hill but across the country where she was a trailblazing pioneer of women's rights, gun rights, gay rights and so many other things. earlier today, our andrea mitchell was able to talk to nancy pelosi, a close friend of dianne feinstein, about her legacy. take a listen. >> this is for us very personal. it's very san francisco. we're neighbors, we're friends, we love each other very much. i'm heartbroken, but dianne would want us all to just rise to the occasion. i want everyone to know, this was an iconic figure.

this is a figure who every now and then someone comes along like this that you think, wow. she was about goodness, she was about greatness, she was about love. she was about power and using it. she was about strength. i just want to make sure everybody knows that this giant of a person, this trailblazer, this icon, this champion, this hero walked among us and we all benefitted from it. >> reporter: and of course this is a stark difference from the way that dianne feinstein had been talk about in the halls of congress over the past few months because of her failing health and her ability to continue on in the job of the united states senate. there was questions about whether or not she should step down. those questions are no longer a part of the conversation. instead, everyone given the opportunity to reflect on her incredible legacy. her seat inside the united states senate draped in black. beautiful white flowers placed on that seat and of course flags

throughout washington and the country at half-mast in honor of the great dianne feinstein. >> ryan nobles, thank you so much for that. just around from where ryan is standing literally steps away also on capitol hill is where the house now failed to pass a republican short-term funding bill. what can you tell us? >> reporter: hey, chris. this is a major setback for house republican leadership and speaker mccarthy. his short-term funding bill to avert a shutdown and keep the government open for another month just collapsed on the floor of the house by a vote of 198 to 232. the house is narrowly controlled by republicans, but 21 of mccarthy's own republican lawmakers voted with democrats to tank this bill. these are overwhelmingly hard right member who is say they oppose a stopgap bill under any circumstances. this bill would have kept the government open through october 31st. it would have included spending

cuts and immigration restrictions that democrats widely opposed. mccarthy's pitch was, if you don't pass this, you're emboldening the democratic senate. meaning joe biden could jam the house and force them to pass a less conservative bill. that pitch did not work. hardliners still oppose it. this leads the house to a goth shutdown. senate is hoping to pass a bipartisan bill, hoping to pass today or tomorrow. it's in good shape to pass, but it's happening slowly, sluggishly. what happens next is unclear. the white house weighed in to blast the approach by republicans saying kevin mccarthy is reneging on a two-year deal he struck with president biden two years ago. this is a major path to opening the government after it likely shuts down.

democrats do not trust mccarthy to negotiate anymore. murphy said, quote, that's lime mccarthy cut a deal with biden he double crossed the president in weeks. mccarthy's word is worth nothing now. the white house branding this an extreme republican shutdown, saying that their bill would have imposed 30% cuts to law enforcement, meals on wheels to head start. highly unclear where this goes next, but this is not the outcome that house republicans wanted. chris? >> thank you for that. we want to go to the breaking news. more than seven inches of rain have been recorded in brooklyn and other parts of new york city in the past 24 hours. nbc's george solis is out in it. looks like you're in midtown. we had one of our guests who just had to walk over a bridge from brooklyn to get here. what is going on? >> reporter: chris, it is ugly. there's no better word to describe it. it's not just inkweept, it is also deadly, and that's

messaging from officials across the tristate as this weather continues to add inches of rain here in new york city. that state your legal name now in effect from both the governor and mayor adams here, urging people to stay indoors because obviously this is not a day to be outside. everyone here in midtown manhattan we're seeing a lot of people with umbrellas. there is a little bit of reprieve, but officials warning people not to fall into a false sense of security, because this weather event is going to continue. as you mentioned, we've seen seven inches of rain, more than five in central park alone, and we're going to see those accumulations start to rise as this weather continues into saturday. some of the images we have been seeing are completely incredible. you're seeing the roads, bridges, that extreme flash flooding. laguardia airport, terminal a, rising waters. it's indescribable. some people i've spoken with on the street, new yorkers, telling

me they've never experienced a weather event like this. as i mentioned, governor hochul declaring the state of emergency not st for the city, he has says, declaring state of emergency across new york city, long island, and the hudson valley. stay safe, never attempt to travel on flooded roads. that's something we say a lot when the roads are flooded, turn around, don't drown. waters rising in areas. brooklyn getting hit probably the hardest right now we've seen, and again, dramatic images that continue to flow into your newsroom of these rising waters. so this weather event not relenting at any time. and again, from officials, please stay home because this is only going get worse before it gets better. a lot of people hoping the reprieve comes soon. they've already seen so much water in the city. they expect it to dry out fairly soon. >> george solis, thank you. get in from the wet if you can.

let's get to breaking news from the ongoing auto strike, and that news is it's expanding. joining me, msnbc digital reporter michael whalen. what's going on? >> reporter: the word unprecedented is used a lot in the automotive industry, but what we're seeing now is truly unprecedented we've got over 25,000 autoworkers now on strike. they span five plants and 38 facilities for parts and distribution, and that's across the country. but what's really unique about the strikes is it's in the national walkouts where everyone kind of leaves the plants and they negotiate deals. the uaw is doing targeted strikes and picking plants here and there, they're trying to negotiate with all three automaker, and that has led to a lot of frustration and a lot of problems for the companies. the companies themselves have come out and criticized the union as well as the contract negotiations overall.

we just had ford ceo jim farley come out and say he thinks the strikes are premeditated and heavily criticized union membership for not wanting to get a deal before the deadline. so like i said, we're truly in unprecedented territory, and there's no end in site. >> michael wayland, thank you for that update. much appreciated. still ahead, we're in the final hours of the push to avoid a shutdown. why president biden is not weighing in on negotiations, in 60 seconds. ds

as congress rushes to try to avoid a government shutdown, president biden is leading them to it. news the president's hands off approach to the looming shutdown is intended to project an image of him out in the country executing on what he considers key accomplishments, as house republicans fight over how to fund the government. joining us now, democratic

congressman brendan boil of pennsylvania, ranking member of the house budget committee. thanks for joining us. do you think the president's strategy will pay off, or do you think he could be doing more to help broker in these negotiations? >> chris, first let's just be clear, we are one day away from a government shutdown because extreme house republicans want a government shutdown. a number of them have publicly said they want a government shutdown. back in june, there was an agreement that was reached by all parties. it passed the house of representatives and the senate on an overwhelmingly bipartisan basis. more than two-thirds of house republicans joins more than 80% of house democrats. unfortunately since then, speaker mccarthy has reneged on that agreement, and he is being led by the nose by his extreme maga caucus who want to force on the american people cuts of more than 30% or more.

that's why we're here. >> we know the stakes are extraordinarily high. we had admiral james stavridis on the last hour. he talked about the national security and morale problems within the military this is going to cause. some of the thingse've seen throughout this process -- senator rand paul pushing to remove aid to ukraine. marjorie taylor greene moving to slash defense secretary lloyd austin's salary to $1. understanding the sort of political morass that you're operating in, is there something democrats can do, something to negotiate at this point to avoid a shutdown? >> the good news is there is a big bipartisan majority in the senate to avoid this shut down. their bill for a clean continuing resolution to keep the government open, that passed by a more than four to one

margin, a majority -- actually every house democrat would vote for that as well, and we hear some republicans. unfortunately speaker mccarthy doesn't allow that to be voted on. let's be clear, we are in this position staring down a completely unnecessary government shutdown because extreme maga republicans in the house want that. >> sounds like you don't see any possibility of avoiding this shut down. >> the shut down would take place midnight into tomorrow morning. unfortunately at this point there is no way to avoid that. now, what can be avoid second down -- is a long government shutdown. what i would say to the handful of moderate republicans in the house, here's a chance to prove it. it's my discharge petition that right now is active in the well of the house. 213 house democrats have signed it. we only need five house

republicans to join us national guard -- in order to end this nightmare of a government shutdown. let's see if they're willing to do it. >> it's famous united states is not a fan of congress or how it operates. >> the closer we get to the deadline, the more the worry increases. but if you look at the last -- and there have been five government shutdowns over the last 30 years. they've all followed the same pattern, and that is there's a little bit of a concern in the beginning, but once the american people see and are reminded the full ramifications of a shut down, those concerns increase exponentially. literally on monday morning when we see tsa lines stretching for 50 yards or 100 yards -- and that's just would be of literally thousands of examples of things that will happen as a result of the government shut

down -- once we see that, we'll start to hear more and more from our constituents, and i hope they'll be calling the offices of the maga republicans forcing the shutdown. >> before you go, i just want the give you a chance to express your thoughts on the passing of senator dianne feinstein and her legacy. >> yeah. you know, it is -- the conversation around the late senator over the last couple years, i fear it sometimes obscured just what a legendary figure dianne feinstein was. i mean, going all the way back to the assassination of the mayor of san francisco, which is how she ended up becoming mayor, such a trailblazer, the first woman to ever chair the senate judiciary committee as well as the foreign roigs. legendary figure, and my thoughts and prayers are with her family. >> congressman brendan boyle, good luck over the weekend and thank you for taking the time to talk to us.

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democratic senator dianne feinstein, who died at 90. choose your description -- icon, trailblazer, sharp and tough all apply. and those who served alongside here remember and remind us of even more. >> today there are 25 women serving in this chamber, and every one of them will admit they stand on dianne's shoulders. dianne's impact extended far beyond the senate floor and far beyond politics itself, so today we grieve -- we look at that desk, and we know what we have lost. >> joining us now, peter baker, white house correspondent for "the new york times" and a msnbc political analyst, and jennifer pal mary, former white house

communications director under president obama and a msnbc political analyst. one of the people grieving for dianne feinstein today, peter, is the president of the united states, who served alongside her for not just years, i think, but probably for decades. and when you hear chuck schumer talk about loss, talk about the loss of the woman who really was someone who worked across the aisle, who set a standard for other women who would follow in her foot steps. >> that's right, exactly. she was inspiration to women politicians in an era that wasn't very common. she was a trailblazer. she won the seat on her own dime, and wasn't the spouse of a senator who would die, which is how a lot of women got into congress. she was a force to be reckoned with. she was considered for the vice presidency more than once. and she was seen, though, not just as a barrier breaker, although that was obviously a big part of her legacy, she was

seen as somebody who was centrist work worked across the aisle, who believed in collaboration. i started covering the white house during the clinton era when jennifer and i were talking a lot, and i remembered dianne feinstein during the impeachment hearings. she tried to do work across the aisle which both republicans could agree on, that would not let the president off the hook for what he had done wrong, but not go the full route of impeachment. she found she got a lot of support, but not enough. that was a harbinger of things to come. no matter how hard you try to work in a bipartisan way, the obstacles are huge. she overcame them more than most. >> let me play a remembrance from another woman, republican senator susan collins. >> at one point one year, she bought seersucker suits for every woman who was serving in the senate. so that we could all participate

in seersucker tuesday. that was dianne. she paid attention to the smallest details, to the largest issues that affected not only our country, and the world. >> by the way, that was her art work that was in this picture. she had given a lot of those to members of the senate. but it was interesting what she said, jen -- the smallest details and the largest issues. what do you see as her legacy? what are your remembrances of her? >> yeah, the -- my dad was stationed in the bay area when george and harvey milk were assassinated. that happened in the bay area when i was a kid, and that was one of my first big political memories. and it was such a tumultuous time in california, because people may forget, but actually eight days prior to that

shooting, the shooting in jonestown happened where congressman leo rhyan was killed, also assassinated. jackie spear was shot five times. she was an aide to the congressman. and not more than a week later, the san francisco mayor and adviser harvey milk are shot in a shooting by a former colleague. so it was a really difficult time in the bay area, and as leo rhyan, the california congressman stepped up. she stepped um. ran for mayor and lost. would go on to run for governor and lose. people use the word san francisco liberal. i got to tell you, my impression of the san francisco democratic politicians growing up were dianne feinstein, tough at nails, centrist. nancy pelosi, barbara boxer. these are, like, no nonsense women that got things done.

and i also think growing up -- also growing up in the bay area at this time in oakland is vice president kamala harris. and she saw these women as a role model, too. and in the senate, she was very tough, very determined, a really good negotiator. but also really supportive in the background to women. she would host bipartisan women senator dinners at her home. whenever hilary was running for president, she needed some kind of outlet to, like, get togethererw girlfriends she was like, i'm going to call dianne. dianne's going to host us. so really effective legislator, very tough. not the easiest person to deal with if you were on the other side. but also just a really good mentor and friend particularly to her women colleagues. >> so, peter, president biden of course was among those reflec

reflecting on the loss today i want to play a bit of that. >> she was a historic figure. a trailblazer for women and a great friend and made her mark in everything from national security to the environment, gun safety to protecting civil liberties. the country's going to miss her dearly, and so will jill and i. >> what was had relationship, peter, between the president and senator feinstein and frankly, presidents overall? i mean, she had a certain level of influence, and as jen said, she was not shy about using her power. >> she was well known in the white house in every presidency. i think they all respected her on some level. obviously she was closer to some than others, but because she was somebody who was serious, she was known for knowing her material, she took national security seriously in particular. she made a mark in that. that's obviously where see and president biden had a lot of interactions when he was chairman of the foreign relations committee.

she made her mark in some ways defying two of his predecessors. one of the most important things she did was into the investigation and torture after 9/11, and ended up defying two presidents of two parties, george w. bush who presided over it and barack obama whose white house didn't want to release the full report, she came up with because they were afraid of the consequences for potential retaliation overseas. she stood up to them and said, in, it's time for a reckoning. we need to look this square in the face, admit we made a mistake, and move on. that got i remember mortalized in a movie with adam driver. not too shabby. not too many senators get played by annette benning. it was one of the hallmark of her leadership. looking an issue squarely in the face, not flinching and pushing for resolution over enormous obstacles. >> i was thinking about her

today as a centrist but in the context of yesterday, president biden being in arizona to honor senator mccain, and whether the idea of people like them can really exist women see mitt romney is leaving the senate. can people who want to reach across the aisle still exist? whether any a this makes people stop for a second and think about what used to be and could it be again? >> i wonder what she made in her final years of, frankly, the institutions she loved so much and all the changes she was seeing in it. >> it's easy to say nothing matters and that any one instance or death is not going to have an impact on politics, but i believe when you're so divided everything matters. right? the president's speech in arizona yesterday, it's just -- people say, oh, it's just one speech. how much did it get covered? what kind of difference can it make? it's a cornerstone argument for him about what we wants, about

what we sees are the stakes of the next election. thait matters a lot. the example that they set, it does make us reflect and think about -- i don't know that you would go back to that, but what can take its place? who's willing to step up on the republican side and run for office if a way that will honor that tradition? >> thank you both so much. appreciate it. we just got in breaking news out of las vegas. a law enforcement official is telling nbc news that all these years later, police have arrested a suspect in the 1996 murder of rapper tupac shakur. nbc's dana griffin joins us now from los angeles. what can you tell us, dana? >> reporter: chris, 60-year-old dwayne davis has been arrested. he was arrested this morning in las vegas in connection to the murder of tupac shakur.

officials say this comes just two months after las vegas police raided his wife's home in july. documented provided by police say that they found several items, including computers, laptops, tablets, external hard drives, audio recordings and other electronic storage media. davis, who is 60 years old, is a self-described gangster who is also the uncle of one of the suspected shooters in this case, orlando anderson. he was named early in this case. he later died in a gang shooting here in los angeles. davis in his book compton street legend wrote about breaking his silence over tupac's killing in 2010 during a closed door meeting with investigators. he said he inked out some deal with lapd to give information so that he could avoid prosecution. but it's looking like, chris, that his book and some of the interviews that he has done may

be what caused las vegas police to open up this investigation, have a search warrant, and bring forth these charges. there's going to be a press conference in about an hour. we hope to learn more about the arrest and those charges. chris? >> dana, thank you so much. dana griffin reporting on this breaking news for us. and still to come here on msnbc, the latest on the republican debate. donald trump says he won't be there, so what does it mean for the rest of the field? that's coming up on "chris jansing reports". n? i don't. cascade platinum plus... with double the dawn grease fighting power and double the scrubbing power. for a no rewash clean... and a cabinet ready shine. upgrade to cascade platinum plus. dare to dish differently. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ [bell ringing] and doug says, “you can customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual.” he hits his mark —center stage— and is crushed by a baby grand piano.

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senior adviser to donald trump's campaign confirms that the former president will not go to the third presidential debate, just as new ratings who the interest simply isn't there for a trumpless stage. only about 9 million people watched wednesday's debate. that is a pretty steep decline from 13 million who watched the first debate last month, and it represents by a significant margin the lowest tv audience for any republican presidential debate since trump first became a candidate in 2016. nbc's stooe kornacki is at the big board with more. steve, what can you tell us? >> chris, we have got the numbers. who tuned in to the second republican presidential debate. and the total number is 9.3 million. that's the television viewership.

remember, this was on fox business. this was on the fox news channel. this was on univision. you add them all together, 9.3 million. put that in some perspective, that is down 27% from the audience for the first republican debate. that was a month ago. that had 12.8 million viewers. went from 12.8 down to 9.3 million. and some more context for this, if you go all the way back to the start of the 2016 republican campaign -- remember, they had a bunch of debates in 2015, 2016. this is when donald trump first won the nomination. if you take all those debates and then you look at the two we have had so far this year and you rank them by the number of viewers for each debate, i think it's very striking. that debate this week, dead last. 9.3 million viewers is the lowest number of television viewers for any debate in the trump era let's call it, among

republicans. nearly 2 million fewer than the next closest. the only one under 10 million. this was the first debate this cycle. it had closer to 13 million. the significance of this, why we care about an audience size of a debate, is donald trump has been pulling away in the apology on the republican side. take a look at this. this is our new nbc poll of where republican primary voters are. donald trump is at nearly 60% in our polling right now. that first debate we mentioned, he skipped. there were predictions it would hurt him in the polling. it did not. he's been indicted multiple times this year in multiple jurisdictions. there were predictions that would cause republican voters to look elsewhere for alternatives. so far there is very little evidence they're doing so. trump is sitting here with a 43-point lead now having skipped two debates. when you see the viewership fall to that low level it really starts to raise a more

fundamental question about the nature of this republican primary. do republican voters even want it. do a majority of republican voters really want a long, drawn-out primary process? or are they really ready to unite behind trump and tune out the rest? that might be the worst news for trump's challengers coming out of the debate this week. it's not anything that was said on stage. it's the fact that so few people bothered to watch. chris. >> steve, thank you so much. i want to bring in tim miller, former communications director for jeb bush's 2016 campaign and msnbc analyst. we said this before i covered the jeb bush campaign. we lived the roller coaster ride that lasted for, what, about 15 seconds, and then the annihilation of the rest of the field by trump. steve asked a key question, do republican voters want this republican primary to continue? what do you see? >> it doesn't look like it, and trump's opponents aren't really

giving them a reason to want to continue the primary. here's the thing i always go back to in those days in 2016, chris. it was a reasonable thought at that time -- the it was the same strategy that ted cruz had, that marco had, that we had. it was reasonable to think, look, voters are going to get serious when it's time to vote. let's not get down in the mud with this guy. let's avoid him. let's be the last one standing in the other lane, and whoever emerges will end up beating him. that he was a flawed strategy, but it was reasonable in 2016. we didn't know the tornado that was ahead of us. we know now. all these candidates know now. we've lived this for eight years. why they go into a debate the first hour and none of them besides chris christie even mentioned trump, they're living in this fantasy world. so, you know, they saw what didn't work and they're doing it again. that's the definition of insanity. unless they give voters a reason to engage in this debate, which

is a really campaign against donald trump, then i don't see how this trajectory will change. >> i think the other aspect of this is nobody wants to throw good money after bad. what does this all show to you if you're a donor? whether you're somebody giving 50 bucks or you're a big-time donor or bundler. >> donors are already throwing good money. i would love for a rich republican donor to call me so i could give him a wakeup call. there's a "times" story you have been covering, the club for growth, tested ads. none of them worked against trump. i wanted to say, no kidding. no kidding. why would you think the traditional 30-second tv ad would work to change people's view of somebody they have such a deeply held view of. they know trump, like trump, adore trump. think about somebody in your life that you admire and imagine someone shows you a 30-second ad criticizing them. is that going to change your mind or make you want to defend that person more? their strategy is wrong and

they're burning millions upon millions, so -- [ inaudible ]. >> let me ask you about one more strategy, if we want to call it that. "the washington post" reports that alarmed republicans are preparing to draft the virginia govern we are promises of billionaire backers, lots of support. i wonder if you think that is a real possibility, if there is an opening and if so, how quickly does he need to move? i watched him on fox last night or the night before, and he was asked directly about this. he didn't say no. >> i mean, sometimes i just feel like i'm taking crazy pills, chris. am i the only one on earth -- have these people met the republican voters? go to a donald trump rally and say, oh, you think they're going change their mind for glenn young kin, a hedge fund guy in a vest? whatever you think about glen youngkin, i don't -- i can see why he appeals to the billionaire donor class, but

what is he going to offer to the voter who is like trump? they're fighting for the people that don't like trump. that's not zero. that's something. but you got to get to 50. how are you going to appeal to the people that don't like trump. i don't see how glenn youngkin is any different from nikki haley or ron desantis. >> tim miller, what a way to go into the weekend. thank you so much. always good to have you on the show. still ahead, an american journalist marking six months behind bars in a russian prison. where evan stands now as friend ands family members continue to call for his release. plus, how a government shutdown could add to a growing list of problems at the nation's airports. what you expect if you're planning to fly very soon. you're watching chris jansing reports, only on msnbc. at fai. they switched to google tools for education because there's never been a reported ransomware attack on a chromebook. now they're focused on learning knowing that their data is secure.

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american journalist evan gershcovisits was arrested in russia. his employers at "the wall street journal" as well as the u.s. government strongly deny those charges. the jounl once again used its social media accounts to call for its release. earlier this week his alma mater honored him, and the soccer team he once captained on the way to a championship dedicated its win to him wearing shirts i stand we van. i want to bring in gordon fair -- evan's boss and friend. it's hard to believe it's been 12 months. what do we know? bring us up to date on how evan's doing right now. >> sure. well touchdown's a hard way in a

lot of ways, but also heartening to know that evan is very strong and very resilient. i saw his family yesterday in new york, and they have been in touch with him and remarking on his tenacity and his bravery and his continued resilience with this and the fact that he's managed to hang on to his sense of humor, which i think is quite remarkable. i don't think i would be nearly as resilient under those circumstances. >> i honestly don't know how his family released a beautiful statement today, i thought. and i know that they have talked about how much they appreciate the support they've gotten, obviously from you folks at the journal, but just people overall. what can you tell us about how they're doing? and are they able to be in regular communication with evan?

>> evan receives and writes a lot of letters. his family is in touch with him through written letters. his parents were able to see him in a courtroom in russia, which i think lifted the spirits of the entire family. certainly. but, you know, it's an incredibly difficult situation for all of them. it's an incredibly difficult situation for evan being locked up and away from his friends and family and colleagues for six months now. >> let's get to the heart of it. the white house says it is in very active discussions with russia to try and secure evan's release. what's the level of optimism that there can be a deal? and what would you say on his behalf? >> well, you know, we know that there are and have been continuous contact between the u.s. government and russian

authorities, you know, in the cases of paul whalen and brittney griner. we know talks are going on. officials to the russian government certainly hinted that they're open to prisoner swaps. i think beyond that it's very difficult to forecast, you know, a time line or anything like that. but we certainly try to be optimistic that we're going to get him back soon. >> what is it about evan, do you think, that allows him to stay hopeful in a situation like this? most of us know him as a great journalist. we don't know him as a friend as you do. what would you tell us about him? >> i think some of the qualities that make him a great journalist are making him resilient in these circumstances. it's kind of, i imagine, like being in the story himself. which isn't always a comfortable place for journalists. but he is -- he spent seven years covering russia. he's very familiar with russia

and was incredibly excited and passionate to go back there, wanted to go and tell the russian story, the story of the russian people from inside during this war. so i think that -- he's passionate about his work, passionate about his calling, but he's also -- you know, he's just -- he's a great and really strong guy. i was really struck by remarks that his high school soccer coach made, and as you said, he was the captain of the team and led it to the a state championship. but he was really the heart and driver of that team and motivator and just somebody who his own hard work and perseverance, as achieved such amazing things, from the soccer field to journalism. i have a lot of confidence in his ability to hang on. >> we are pleased to keep his story at the forefront. you stayed up late to help us do

that, so thank you so much, and our thoughts are with him and his family. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. and still ahead, bracing for more slowdowns at airports all across the country. the impact millions of travelers could feel if the government shuts down this weekend. you're watching "chris jansing reports," only on msnbc.

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they haven't been paid that could be a problem. we have 10,000 air traffic controllers now, and they're understaffed. we have had a lot of close calls in the nation's air space. they're trying to staff up, put new trainees through the academy but that's a tough process. in the meantime it's unlikely if air traffic controllers have to go several weeks without a paycheck, you'll see them calling out sick. that's what happened in 2019, and that led to a dramatic slow down. that eventually brought the shutdown of 2019 to an end. tsa officers simply started walking off the job. they found another job that put food on their table right then. keep in mind, these people for the most part are living paycheck to paycheck. they don't have a big fat bank account to rely on. we're looking at a scenario, where people on the front lines are keeping this country safe, border patrol, coast guard, the

military, the tsa, air traffic control as you name it, food inspectors, they're the ones who are expected to keep working without pay while congress fights and congress will continue to pay itself, chris. >> we have 30 seconds, but is there any advice for people? is this a situation where if you fly out fine next week, but you have to get back in a week or two, it might be a roll of the dice? >> i think we're talking about several weeks at this point, at least two to three to four before we start to feel the impact here. the good news is we are in a slow period for air travel right now. october's pretty slow. if this continues into thanksgiving, brace yourself. >> tom costello, thank you. that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing report" 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern. katie tur starts right now. good to be with you. i'm katie tur. for most of my