it's not it is under, 30th i'm comcast business, powering possibilities. charles junior filling in for my friend and colleague, ali -- we have got a lots to talk about. there are just 14 hours left before funding for the federal government -- the pressure is running, high and the clock is running out. what's worse, is that some republicans don't even seem to care. there's still no deal insights to avoid a painful and costly government shutdown. federal agencies have already notified workers about what to expect efficient on our cars this weekend. a possibility that appears increasingly likely at this stage. yesterday afternoon, house republicans failed to pass a

stopgap measure that's their own numbers crafted. a small group of republican holdouts numbering at about 21 voted against. it's that small group was more than enough to tank the bill, and send republicans back to square one. possibly taking any hope of avoiding a showdown with them. it was the latest sign of the ongoing division and disarray among the house gop conference. since the beginning of this, year unresolved tensions between speaker kevin mccarthy and a handful of the parties extremists led by florida congressman matt gaetz have repeatedly pled to -- to our door. now it appears that they are willing to make good on those threats. as things stand right, now neither house, nor the senate have managed to pass any bills that can avert a shutdown. if no deal is mixed reached by midnight, tonight about 820,000 federal employees, that's nearly 1 million federal workers, in major agencies will

be -- according to the white house office of management and. budget millions of americans, including military service members, and federal law enforcement, will continue to work, but will not be paid for the duration of the shutdown. despite meeting for nearly three hours yesterday afternoon, it's still unclear what the house republicans have even drafted of framework that will offer a path forward. house members are back on capitol hill now, and members of the senate are expected to arrive by noon. it's still unclear if anything can, or will be bought to the floor for a vote today. for more on, this i'm joined now by nbc news capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin, and also with us is -- a democratic strategist, and a political analyst for siriusxm. julie, talk to, me what is going on? congressional members are back in the capital this morning. what do you know about their plans today? will there be a vote? what can we expect --

as the clock is winding down. >> -- they're meeting right now, the full republican conference in the mood room behind me over their my shoulder, they've been in there for about half an hour trying to see if they can coalesce around a plan to avoid a government shutdown. have a night tonight, they went into the room this morning with a few plans on the docket. all of them included a stopgap measure to keep the government open for a short period of time, whether that's two, weeks 30, 8:45 days. remember remembers cannot coalesce around, that but now it seems with those handful of conservatives including those they are not going to be able, to pass and able to keep the government open on a short term basis. i talk to congressman matt gaetz for example as he was heading, in i said if anyone could change his mind and get them to -- now that we're just hours away from the deadline? he said now, ed with that in the, room i'm told they're discussing plans to potentially put individual measures on the floor to at least pay troops

for example to extend the faa reauthorization which expires at the end of this month, which is needed for airlines, air traffic controllers, tsa workers, all of them to operate as normal. that extension, along with many other critical programs expires at the end of this month which is tonight. all down to the wire, of course lawmakers in the room are trying to see if they can make something happen. those handful of conservatives are determined not to let any stopgap measure goes to. over on the senate side, we saw one republican senator andrew this, room senator warren greene -- of speaker mccarthy, it's not clear how he's going to help get those hard-line conservatives, who don't trust mccarthy's leadership on board for any plan. though the senate has its own problems as you mentioned, they are going to sort of procedural vote later this afternoon on a 45-day continuing resolution. that includes money for ukraine, and disaster, relief but does not include border security provisions. that was part of the republican plan yesterday, that tanked with those conservative votes.

right now we're still at an impasse. >> thank you so much, julie one of the things that we are neglecting in this conversation are the literally hundreds of thousands of federal workers with essential services, you mentioned the faa, and so many different other air traffic controllers. they will not be paid, but still have to work. others will be out of four. when you are thinking about this conversation, there is so much to be made of the division. in reality, as julia already alluded to, when i talked about it in the, opening we are not talking about a significant split in terms of ideology. what we are really talking about here is a handful, a small handful of republicans who are holding things up in the house. my question to you is, how is it they have this much power, even though the numbers so so small in terms of their amount? >> a couple of. things one, the myocardia, -ology even though this is a small group within the

republican conference, the market ideout and republican voters basis is actually quite. large we can see that based on the polling that former president trump still has. this was the same group -- who made it almost impossible for mccarthy to actually take the speakership. 15 times as a hard road to get to the speaker. i think that what we're seeing here is a group that has outsized power, a group that recognizes that they have outsized power, but a group that is also willing to hold america hostage. we talk about the crises, but we have to see it in -- -- is the largest growing expenditure, and there's no place for parents to. turn military servicemen and women are going to not get paid. that veteran services the benefits they, need they are going to be stalled. moms, particularly single, moms those who rely on the program are going to have problems. we are looking at a pandemic, post pandemic-era america where we are still trying to get or feedback. we are still trying to stand, and this stand to crush it all,

and those mom -- do not care. >> is this more a consequence of how kevin mccarthy came into power as the speaker? is it a function of his failure as a leader,? is this something, bigger is this a matter of maga ideology going wild, and now not being able to be controlled. or some combination of the two? it's. both i don't think anyone would argue that mccarthy has below best later since he's been there. he is also in a very interesting spot in the sense that he had to body up and be -- like marjorie taylor green, that's his right hand at this, point marjorie taylor greene is a -- she's a stalwart, she's not going to change our mind, only thing she's not interested in compromise, she's not interested in bringing other voices to the, table should not interested in what other republicans, who have been there for decades or telling them that this is basically going to submit their faces come election, time but also the american public will blame the republicans, and rightfully so. mccarthy is in a tough position because on the one, hand he could get, ousted and that's very recognizable to him.

this coalition is willing to come to the -- curb he's been an entire time of his political career. he wants to be, a speaker he wants to be in this. position he is willing to take it to the wall. to stay in the speakership, regardless of how many americans he hurts in the. process >> that was nbc's julie tsirkin on capitol hill, and -- thank you both for getting us started on the saturday morning. joining me now is democratic congressman dan kiltey of michigan. he's a member of the house budget committee, and the ways and means committee. he's also a member of the bipartisan problem solvers caucus which means that right now, you are the person that we want to talk to. congressman, we have less than 14 hours less until federal funding warrants out. >> is a shutdown unavoidable right now? give it to me straight. the american people are getting more and more anxious as the clock winds down. >> hello, charles thanks for having me on. to answer the question directly, it is completely avoidable. there are 435 members right now

sitting in the house of representatives. back, in may over 300 of us voted for a budget compromise that system -- for 2024. you can mccarthy walked away from that deal, but i will get into you. this if you put those same numbers, that same deal on the floor of the house of representatives, it would pass, and there would be no shot. the senate could take that up, obviously the senate has its arcane rules that make it difficult for them to move quickly, but the house could do its part to avoid a shutdown. the question is not can, we put will kevin mccarthy place the american peoples instruct interests ahead of his own narrow political interests? melissa barbara that is the -- eugénie this is about the american people. people won't be able to get

help from the veterans administration, veterans may not be able to get the care they need. it is -- people won't be able to fly safely, knowing that the faa and the tsa is in place, to make sure that there are careful. there are so many consequences, dire consequences for the american people that it kind of makes this clown show that we're witnessing seeing so much more serious than what it looks like with its sort of view from. this is serious business, republicans don't seem to get. that it's about kevin mccarthy, it is serious business, and speaking of kevin mccarthy he is one of the most spoken about individuals that we have right now in the ns, and in the post left, night on x which is formally known as, twitter keeps changing its name like canost, kevin mccarthy brought after a meeting with house republicans this eveng, it's clear that this guy --

has no path forward, and is dead on arrival. and quote, the same can be said about the bills that the house republicans are now trying to draft, but what are your thoughts on the senate bill? is there any chance that in the interest of time that the house could copy the homework of the senate as a means of moving things along at a more rapid rate to get it done in the house? >> we, could and many of us have suggested that speaker mccarthy simply could do. that if the votes are not, there than he can explain. that i believe the votes would be there. we do have a difficulty getting the senate to act quickly. the house could take with the senate is working on that very sick framework, and put it on the floor, and i think you'd see votes. you would see a situation number of votes for the house to do its work to keep the government open. this is really not a question as to whether our solution exists. the solution exists. in fact, most of the democrats

and republicans that i talked to here on capitol hill basically agree with the ultimate resolution of this standoff will look like. let's keep in mind, why are we not able to get to that point? it's because kevin mccarthy himself changed the rules of the house, agreed to a change of the, rules he got it, implemented he handed the most extreme members of congress the ability to call a vote on his speakership or to their own when. -- that is something that he did to himself. me and believing the only thing he has to do is get to midnight every day, and then start all over again the next day, he's got to realize there are consequences to the decisions he makes every single day. unfortunately, they are just political consequences, who cares about the politics. these are consequences that are going to be felt for the

american people. me it's just completely irresponsible that he continues to put his own self-interest of being called the speaker as opposed to actually doing the job of being the speaker. over the interests of the american people, i am baffled by. it >> congressman, before we go, you've raced to get point in terms of kevin mccarthy's leadership in sort of how it's been the downfall of where we are in many respects. it's no secret that he and matt gaetz have not necessarily been the greatest of friends, even as it was kevin mccarthy who was trying to secure the speakership and matt gaetz students. way there have been talks in reporting that matt gaetz is now speaking to individual members of -- challenging mccarthy's leadership in a motion to vacate, something along those, lines can you tell us what those efforts have look like? have you spoken to congressman gaetz? what is he said to you, or at least what have you heard from him? >> we'll talk to a lot of colleagues who have spoken with

congressman gaetz, i have brief conversations with him on the floor. i don't share much. in terms of ideology, or approach to governing we don't particularly appreciate the work of speaker mccarthy, but for completely different reasons. what he's trying to do is use the tool that kevin mccarthy gave him, against kevin mccarthy. if kevin, if the speaker wants to end this, just go back to the roles that we had before he became speaker. let's get rid of this nonsense that allows even the most deranged members of congress to have superior authority over the speaker of the house himself. this power sharing agreement that he's into, with the most extreme members of congress is really the cause of all of this. it's a huge mistake, and it's a reflection on his obsession with being called speaker, instead of doing the job of being a speaker, leading. michigan congressman dan kildee, thank you so much, we hope that

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we're sitting in for ali this morning. i want to turn now to donald trump in the latest on the multiple legal entanglements that he is facing. the twice impeached ex president is dealing with criminal counts across four indictments. on monday, it's expected to appear in manhattan. they are calling for another case. this one's civil fraud trial. according to two people briefed on the matter, trumplans to arrive in new york city tomorrow evening to attend the trial. this is going to be a bench trial. they're going to be no jury, it'll be in front of the judge. if you recall, in september of la year, new york attorney general, test, james brought a 250 million dollar lawsuit against trump, his son's eric in donald junior, and the trump fraudulently exaggerated their business assets for years. although trump has denied wrongdoing, this, week the judge determined that after the judgment, trump's financial statements were, in fact, fraudulent.

this effectively decided the central question of the case, and the judge also counsel the trump organization's business license in the state of new york. joining me now to unpack all of this is somebody who we all know and love, daniel, syphilis criminal fenced attorney, and an msnbc legal analyst, as well as a cofounder of the law firm. me i can take my classes off this week and have conversations like this as lawyers and break it down for everyone who's out there. trump civil trial, he immediately asked for a delay, this is a couple weeks ago. he was looking to try and postpone this, he wasn't granted anything. any surprise there? >> no. he was likely to let the trial go forward, you can still raise those issues up to the trial. generally speaking, appeals courts don't like to delay trials. they'd rather let them go forward and deal with the issues on appeal. trial goes forward, not a huge surprise there, charles. >> what are your thoughts about

him being present here as far as the civil bunch trial, and then what he intends to do in terms of the other cases he's facing, and whether he should or should not develop a pattern of eating court when he is being tried. >> the rules are a little different for civil trials, as you. now generally speaking, in a defendant doesn't necessarily have to be at his or her civil trial. same thing for a plaintive. in criminal cases, the general rule of thumb is the defendant must be present at all stages of the trial, and the defendant has a rights, constitutional right to be present all stages of a criminal trial. we can expect donald trump to be at every day of his criminal trials, the complication become, charles, what happens is some of these are scheduled close to each other. trump could be in a courtroom for months at a time. >> we've got a lot of different cases that we're talking, about a lot of trials. let's switch gears. so we have now learned that scott home was in georgia, and

one of the 19 codefendants is part of that r.i.c.o. case brought by fani willis. he has now flipped. he's pled guilty to a misdemeanors. so he's not going to do jail time, but he's also agreed to testify, truthfully, and against any of his codefendants of asked. what does his -- tell you, should he be worried, how much of the other codefendants -- villages this mean for the prosecution? >> trump should be worried but not surprised. your former, prosecutor or you knew this was coming, i knew this is coming. one of these, nearly 20 different defendants, was going to approach the prosecution about a plea deal. the reality, is and you know the serbian prosecutor, the people who come the quickest to enter into a plea deal and the people with the most to lose. it's the people who are looking at the third and fourth conviction that say, to heck with, that let's go to trial. let's roll the dice, let's see if we can get a not guilty, but if you've got a job, a career,

a family, and you've been caught up in this group of people who are notorious, everyone knows who they are, if you or a scott, holland you're looking at them there, you've probably never seen or heard of them before the day he was indicted, uruguay that says, i want to get out of this, i don't want to go through this. the mere fact of getting it over with, i can tell you how often clients are criminal defendants say that that is the main reason. they just want to put all this behind them. he is the classic example of somebody who would rush to plead guilty. he's getting a good deal. misdemeanors, no felony disqualifications. he can move on with his, life continue in his job. no surprise, here trump should've seen this coming down six avenue in a bus. >> we've talked about the new york city trial, we've talked about the fulton county state case. now we have to talk about jack smith. basically, we now have a situation where the interference case, jack smith,

he has filed for this order. in there or has been a response from the governments, and the response from trump's attorneys as well. what do you think donald trump 's current activity online, in terms of what he, saint is doing to influence the decision in terms of how she responds? do you think she still pain attention? as she made up her mind? they see putting more pressure on her in a way that will potentially make her think twice? how is that played out? >> this image is a thing about gag order, is this a spectrum of people who are more susceptible to them. for example, that is very hard to getting up on the process. in modern times, more often the, not courts will get the parties, and the attorneys. that's easier to do constitutionally. in fact, it's the easiest to get people like you and i, charles. attorneys. in a sense, we've already agreed to be beholden and subjective ourselves to the

powers of the court. we're offices that the court. it's easier to tell and attorney that thou shall not talk. it's hard to tell a party like donald trump, but, this is a case without precedence, campaign speech is something that needs to be balanced, but of course, when i think of what the government doing well here, they made a reasonable argument. they say that they're not looking to silence the president completely, they say, let's do this, it's narrowly tailored, in the middle. it'll keep him from talking about you, your honor, as the prosecutors, and witnesses in this case. that way he can talk about what he wants to on the campaign trail, and the people, in the trial, and even trump's right to a fair trial is protected. it is a classic example of making a reasonable requests, well done. >> then as well, as always a pleasure. thank you so much for being here to break all this down. a quick notes, if you want to catch up on all four criminal indictments against donald trump, there is now a new book with the ball. the trump indictment, the 91 criminal counts against the

former president of the united states just came out this week. it contains all of the documents against trump and his codefendants, complete and unabridged. to even more of your benefits, it is all antedated introduced by my friend, ali velshi. the book is available in paperback or candle, and as an audiobook. be sure to check it out. after the break, just when you think there are no lives less for donald trump to cross, he is now suggesting the death penalty for a top american general, and is the victim of a violent attack. you're watching velshi on msnbc, stay tuned, i'm charles junior, we'll be right back. 'll be right back. you know that unwelcome guest everyone wishes would just leave already? that's covid-19. ♪

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in washington, it may slip through the cracks that donald trump's gliding towards the gop nomination for presidents pretty much without doing anything on terms of campaigning. he skipped off on another debate on wednesday, only for his lead to grow after the events. jump went unchecked by the candidates for insinuating the top general, mike miley, deserves to be put to death. friday, afternoon at the gop convention in california, right in anaheim, he got the crowd to laugh at the expense of nancy pelosi's husband, paul, who, as we now, was assaulted last october by a man who broke into his home looking for them in speaker of the house pelosi. matt >> we will stand up to crazy nancy pelosi who ruined san francisco. rick hauser has been doing, by the way? i don't know.

>> joining me now is reena shaw, republican political strategist, former ceo gop congressional aide in principle, founder of relaxed reggie's. it's so good to have you with me. now this is the front runner for the republican presidential nomination. he is making a joke at the expense of paul pelosi, a man who was injured by a crazy home invader, as that home invader was looking to do harm to his wife. the crowd laughed. i just want to frame this for everyone because this is such a serious matter that people need to understand where we are as a country. this is not a sign that there is any level of remorse or lessons learned from that incidents. how do you respond to what that says about the gop given that this is the front runner? >> trump's comments in california, sitting in that

state, which nancy pelosi is, from our paul pelosi got attacked, we're just beyond the pale. they exemplify how bad political violence is in this country. because people have not just normalize that they're willing to go beyond. so there is a combination of extremism that trump always brings to his laugh lines. that was a moment in which you realize that either he is really scrapping for low barrel jokes there, which he often does, but he's also understanding that the base is all right with who he is. therefore, he can continue to move forward to not just demonize democrats, but it puts us in a place where we can't really come back from easily. where we look at our leader is no longer as examples for how our children should be, that we look at our leaders as been part and parcel, and essentially, reflecting the nastiest washington d.c. right back on us. >> i sort of review a lot

because your former republican, former gop strategist, and one of the hallmarks of that party has been a belief in support of strong military. now we have general mark miley, who retired from the military after 44 years of service this week. he had his farewell address, he taken securi precautions after the target that donald trump put on his back. during his farewell adess, riley, he called the former president a wannabe dictator. ose are his words. of course, trump is now gone after him yet again. it's almost like if you speak ill of donald trump, no matter what else you've done in your career, no matter what it's supposed to mean to the gop and their values, he goes after you. what does this say about where we are politically? he used the term beyond the pale in your last answer. it's a question of whether not we can go back. how do you square the notion that you are supportive of a

strong military, but now your targeting noted in really decorated figures from that same military, how does that work? >> you can square that up, charles, because what this essentially is is a populist branch of the gop. trump's comments aren't in line with what the average republican has been prior to seven years ago. i say that because in the past seven years, you hear a lot of the make america great again crowd -- as establishment types, as republicans, rhinos. because they've been so supportive of propping up essentially our military, now that, again, is a very nonsensical route. when you hear these people talk about backing the blue, law enforcement, as we heard in the debate just this past, week they talk about these people taking her money and spending it abroad. so a lot gets drawn to vilify

in a decorated general who is put his life in service for us, you know, really out there every day. i've gotta say this, this is a moment in which we have to call it out for what it is. not just a page from the dictator's playbook, this is the playbook of a dictator right here, right, now the trump wants to go ahead and execute. he'll propagate this because? why? the number one thing that dictators do, jail their enemies. vilify, and again, put into lock-up whoever steps out of line with them, whoever speaks out against them. we are in dangerous times. trump is just telling us what he would do with another term, and we have to push back on it as a collective. not just one side of the gop, but we need people across the political spectrum to call this out for what it is. behavior that puts everyone in danger. primarily, people who spoke out against trump last go around. >> we need to shaw, then you as always. still to come, two years after

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i'm in for ali today. tributes continue to pour in for the longest serving woman in the senate, diane feinstein. the california democrat died at the age of 90. she passed just a day after putin a senate resolution to keep the senate open. andrea mitchell has more on the trail blazers life and legacy. >> tributes from both sides of the aisle for dianne feinstein, a volleys of white roses for a senator known for sending flowers to colleagues.

>> today there are 25 women serving in this chamber. they stand on one dianne's shoulders. >> her beloved home state of california, and our entire nation, are better for her job get advocacy and diligent service. >> congress will miss her dearly. so it will jill and i. >> the senators for whom she painted water colors. >> every time i would pass by, i would look at that and think about how talented diane was in so many different areas. >> feinstein's political career began in tragedy. november, 1970, eight san francisco mayor, george moscone and supervisor member, harvey milk, were assassinated and city hall. >> mayor moscone and supervisor harvey milk have been shot and killed. this cemented her lifelong commitment to gun safety. elected san francisco's mayor, she was on the shortlist for

running mate before he chose geraldine. >> i had the opportunity to be the first woman, first mayor to be asked to go through an interview process. i view that as a major opening of the door. >> it was a public outcry over the old mildred is she airy committee rating of anita hill at the clearance thompson beatings that got her to the senate, more judiciary chairman, joe biden, -- she'll immediately led the charge to pass an assault muffins ban is the first woman to chair the intelligence committee, she took on the cnn's waterboarding of prisoners, leading to the outlawing of the bush administration's harsh interrogations. and later years, she showed signs of age and poor health. noticeably frail and returning to the senate after an absence, but rallying, voting for a visit with former congresswoman, jane hargan. >> i went there because i miss her. she has been voting, as she always did, always opening doors for women. >> dianne left us the way she

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going to pass a federal ban on transgender chemical or surgical surgery anywhere in the country. we've got to protect our kids from this radical gender ideology agenda. >> comments that campaign provinces like those have become the norm for republican politicians in recent years. the dangerous rhetoric is seeping into daily life in america, particularly in some school districts. in one of those districts, grapevine texas, the family is now broken apart by a religious movement that involves a transgender child that is just really wanted to be heard, the mother determined to put god first, and an english teacher caught in the middle. that is the focus of the new podcast from nbc news studio, by the p body award winning team behind the hit south lake. he's a preview ofgrapine. >> a younger teaching

generation is pushing, and has been pushing, and that our ki can be any gender they want to be this isbiologically incorrect. >> young teachers pushing their dangerous ideas on vulnerable kids including, charlotte says,r own. they're trying to tell the story in thend she's been allotted. the >> rtain staffer labeling him, feeding him incorrect information, especially about his excepta mom. they gave him and other studentssolicited, harmful information from t personal libraries. in doing so, they exploited my sons genderhoria. instead of the adult influences bringing my sons as she is to the parent, they told him i rejected him because he wanted to be female. this was so far from the truth. thank you. i lost my son. >> i lost my son, charlotte starts to say. and then, her time is up. the story charlotte told at meeting got our attention.

beusit's exactly the nightmare that republican politicians have been warning about, teachers going rogue, poisoning the minds if confuse kids, and hethat they should change genders. there's never been evidence to back up those claims. but here m ying publicly att happened to her kid. wh we heard her make that allegation, whether it was true or not, we knew something significant had happened in grapevine. so we started looking into. what we found was a different story. of a transgender child desperately wanted to be heard, a mother determined to honor her religion, and an english teacher caught in the middle. >> joining me now is peabody an emmy award-winning nbc news correspondent. she's the co-host of the new podcast grapevine, which lunges on wednesday. thank you so much for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> before we get started, why don't you give us some

background, some flavor about grapevine, just as a -- tell us about what type of places. >> absolutely. grapevine is a community right outside of dallas. it is the town next door to a town called south lake, which anyone who is a loyal viewer of embassy is now familiar with, it's a town that we spent a lot of time reporting none, a town where some of the earliest fights, against critical race theory emerged so a lot of the reasons we were drawn to grapevine is that it's this diverse, thus elaine community. this town outside of a major city in north texas. it's sort of the next town over where we're seen so many of these fights, these so-called culture wars take place where people are fighting over race, history and diversity, but also anti lgbtq rhetoric, in what students, teachers, and family should do about children's identities and schools. so as you heard my co-host spell out in that clip, this is the town where we could see the

national nightmare that you hear so many politicians talking about allegedly taking place. we realize that we needed to go back to the stretch of north texas where we had already spent so much time, and dig deeper into what's going on, and hopefully make sense of not just as local story, but in more american story, when you look at what's happening across the country. >> you put together the show, i had a chance to check out the podcast. it really is fantastic, no surprise. very well done. there was a moment in episode two that i want to talk about. this is a piece from a school district median won a father's voicing his concerns. i want to take a look and then have a sation about. it let's see what it says. >> you can smell smoke from a barbecue going on. you could hea country music. you could hear that they had air horns. >> it was a. >> they head air horns and everything. >> back inside, one of the speakers from that camp, and at no red publd an arican flag trucker happy strode to the lantern.

>> i'm a resident of the gc isd, two kids in the district. >> unlike manye eaier speakers, he didn't sh from identifying who exactly he believe positive just cadence. >> heads up, that the comments are about r or inflammatory. >> do it. embrace sim truth. there's only two genders. and boy should go to boys rooms. koshero to girls restrooms. the guess what? teacher should be forced to use your freaking made-up fantasy pronouns. fike like hell. hold the line against the lgbt mafia and they're dying pedophile ends. keep winning. you know what? keep the winning. they can keep th monkeypox. how is that work in fact, he putting so much, we'll keep coming. woo. get some. thank you. >> thank. you are a 120th eaker is -- >> that that's delivery may have sounded extreme, but the become fairly common at school board meetings that summer, as

parents and activists nationwide increasgl maligned lgbtq educators as pedophiles or groomers. >> to see people who are celebrating the fact that our rights were being taken away. yeah, it was scary. >> keep the winning, keep the monkeypox. this is a really rich stuff. what does this tell you about where the school board as god form a political standpoint. more union have been comments made at a school board meeting, what does this tell us? >> it tells us two things. the first is that we're see national politics seep into local relationships. and really transform communities. at the neighbor to newberry level, you know, you have to remember this is a school board meeting where there are fellow parents in the room. there are children in the room. they are hearing some of this rhetoric. some of which we couldn't include because it was so

inflammatory. i think it tells you that these narratives, the rhetoric that we first hear coming from activists, conservative organizations, politicians, is seeping down to parents and teachers who know each other, right? and then there is the familial piece of this. that people are so concerned and invested in what is happening in, and what the truth is, and what it means to protect children. that's the central question we're asking, because both sides the more hearing in that clip, they think they're arguing for the rights of children, right? so the of motion there, i just think it speaks to how polarized this country has become. the only way you can make sense of this, and tell the story, is by focused you know what it's done to one community. again, it's reflective of these larger patterns that were seen transpire across the u.s.. >> to that point, do you think, does this have larger implications for school boards

across the country? beyond grapevine, they are now becoming a new political front battlefields. >> absolutely. at times, we've seen violence broke out at school board meetings. people have gone to blows. that is the level of intensity here. the misinformation and disinformation around teachers be groomers, some pedophiles, send convincing children to change their genders, that some people have really ben move to action by this. whether that's action, physical confrontations at meetings, or it's by raising unprecedented sums for local school board races that they could've won with three, four, $5,000. now you're seeing hundreds of thousands of dollars poured to candidates who are going up in these races, and communities like, texas or in florida. that is indicative of a massive shifts. so one of the reasons we include into this is because you are now seen reporters like me and my co-host tried to follow national politics at this granular, local level.

we got the idea for this podcast because mike was making dinner, hanging out this case. he was listening to a local school board meeting in grapevine. here is the mom who you heard in that clip saying i lost my son, and describes how this english each or convince them to change their gender, change their life. he just knew in that moment. he sent me a text shortly after that this is what the country is talking about. when you see people raise the money off of, and talking about the manipulation, indoctrination, all of this inflammatory language. these are the kind of things that people are imagining are happening. we have to take into a. as you said at the beginning, without something very different. what we find is that while there is all this national money, there are these political stakeholders in it. there are a lot of children, teachers, an adult in their communities who feel that their voices are being heard. that's one of the things we try to elevate in this podcast. in this moment, we're all living through, but through the eyes of people who really went

through one of the stories that i think we're all seeing and hearing about in our country right now. >> so much we can talk about here. make sure you check out grapevine, an amazing new podcast. thank you so much antonia hylton, of pc news correspondent, and co-host of that podcast, episodes wanted to come out this wednesday, october 4th. listen, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. coming up, federal agencies around the nation are bracing for a government shutdown. plus, there is a brand-new filing and one of the four criminal cases against the former presidents. we'll give you all the details about what's next for donald trump, and, why not have a serious functioning republican party could cost all of us. i'm charles coleman junior, in for only velshi, and another hour of the show starts right after this quick break. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. it may be time to see the bigger picture.

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