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temper 30th, my colleague and friend, ali velshi. members are back on capitol hill this morning, but there does not appear to be a viable deal to keep the federal government funded, and to avoid a costly shutdown. federal agencies have already notified workers, and prepared contingency plans in the event

of a shutdown occurs this weekend's. that is a possibility that is appearing more and more likely at this late stage. there are just 13 hours left before the end of the fiscal year. yesterday afternoon, house republicans tried and failed to pass a stopgap measure that's their own members crafted. there was a group of 21 republican holdouts who voted against it. even though it was a small group, there was more than enough to take the bell, and send republicans all the way back to the drawing board. republican congressman matt fulton of new york spoke to our nbc news capitol hill correspondent, julie tsirkin, just minutes ago. he says republicans need to get another short term bill on the floor. >> we've got to get another short term -- that focuses our ability to govern, and to address bills. there are definitely some other options. people are sitting around

thinking that the alternative is a government shutdown. that's not to people's benefit. >> we have kevin mccarthy who is speaking now, addressing the nation. let's see what he has to say. >> he's been, gone he's been in california, he's been every play, sells the one place he hasn't been as the border. he's gone to more dinners with hunter biden's business associates and he has to the border in 50 years. what we're going to do now, because the senate cannot act in time, the government would shut down, the house is going to back so the government cannot shut down. we will put a clearer funding stopgap on the floor to keep government open for 45 days for the house and senate to get their work done. we will also, knowing what had transpired the summer, the disasters in florida, the horrendous fire and hawaii, and also the disasters in california and vermont, we will put the supplemental portion that the president asked for

and disaster there to. keeping the government open while we continue to do our work to end the wasteful spending, wokeism, and secure our border. >> did you get any assurances in the republican holdouts that they would support? >> i have tried for eight months, it took me a long time to get to the appropriation bills on the floor. they were delayed. i tried yesterday. with the most conservative stopgap funding bill you can find, to secure our border, to cut funding, i couldn't get 218 republicans on. this will be on suspension. it takes a higher threshold. what i am asking in republicans and democrats alike, put your partisanship away. focus on the american public. how can you, in good conscience, think of the men and women who volunteer to risk their lives to defend us, to say they can't be page. that's as we work our differences. that is unfair.

i cannot do that to our men and women in uniform. so we are going to keep government open while we work our differences out and secure our border. >> are you worried about them -- >> you know what, this somebody wants to remove, because i want to be the adult in the room, go ahead and drive. i think that this country is too important. i will stand with their military, austin with our border agents, i will stand with those two have to get their medicine from government as well. i believe that's too important. we have done 70, more than 70% of our job, and the senate has done nothing. the senate can even get something to the floor and time. we can. you know what? if i have to risk my job for standing up for the american public, i will do that. >> have you spoken to any democrats about whether they will support -- >> i talk to hakeem yesterday, i spoke to a number of democrats yesterday. they kept, from the standpoint, they want to do ukraine as well. i think that can happen is different day.

i watched the senate, i said, let's wait for the setup. the senate cannot bring us the bill before shut down. they cannot. government will shut down if we wait. and do not want that on our watch. i think this country is too important. i know the houses done their work, the senate has not. the senate hasn't passed one appropriation bill, and all of you have written these waving stories about how great the appropriation process is going in the senate. it dragged all month. they said they could get something going here. they can't get anything to us. you know what? i'll put the american people first. we will finish our job, i will keep the house in to keep working on our preparation bills, get it done during that time. the senate better get their work done. the border has got to get secure. >> this bill goes, down is there a plan -- >> well of this bill goes down, tell me why the people want to have a government shutdown. that will be on those individuals. >> we need democrats and republicans. >> that's, right that's right.

so if democrats don't wanted, if democrats want to shut the government down, they vote against this bill. tell me what to argue if we're putting a stopgap measure with no politics in a. that says we will continue funding government exactly as it is right now for 45 days, what we finish our job. the only thing we'll do differently, those who have suffered through a flood, through a fire and others. where the disaster money is not there. we will make sure that testimony as there's what they don't get punished. we will look at our troops in the eye and say, yes, you don't have to worry about how you're going to make your rents. we're going to finish our job, are going to secure our border, we're going to look at the border agents that come back bloody, securing our country, and say we don't want you. and doing your job, or in about whether you're going to make a car payment. we're going to do our job. we're going to be adult in the room. we're going to keep government open while we solve this problem. yes. as we go through this

approaches, they're the most conservative approaches that ever passed. you don't realize that what we have achieved. this bill, it's the first time a republican majority has passed in a preparation bill and more than 16 years. we're achieving things. i do not want to stop that momentum of getting our job. that is the way will be able to secure our border. if we shut the government down, the border agents don't get, pay the border is even further wide open. the president wants to avoid this, probably won't allow. up he wants to avoid governing? he's the president of the united states. what has he done a bookkeeping government open? malta you this, we are putting something on the floor that will continue to pay our troops. if he wants to lobby against them, and tell democrats to vote against them, then the shutdown is on him. >> are you leaving members of your own party behind? >> that was house majority leader kevin mccarthy. he was addressing the country about the impending shutdown of the government, as well as his

efforts to get his party in line. back with us is nbc news capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin, also joining us is sam stein, politico's deputy managing editor of politics. julie, we just heard from kevin mccarthy, what do you see as being the main takeaways from his remarks? >> while house speaker kevin mccarthy is around the hallway from where we are, and while he was talking, i was talking to members streaming out of this closed-door conference. i was asking for their thoughts on this. in the last hour, since i last spoke to, charles, things have changed yet again. now, the plan, is in the next 20 minutes or so, the house is expected to vote on a clean 45 days short term extension of essentially the status quo. the status quo spending levels that this government has been operating under for the last year. attached to that will be disaster relief, and in faa reauthorization that expires tonight. aside from, that ukraine

funding, border security, all of that will not be in this bill. the question is, will it have the votes to pass? they're going to bring this up on a wonky term under suspension. this means two thirds of the house, the 435 members, have to vote for. that means democrats are going to have to vote for it as well. this 21 republican told us they voted against the c r, the short term government spending bill yesterday, with those conservative border provisions attached to it, they are still a speck toeve against it today. they're going to need democrats to come forward and support them on this bill. mccarthy also said that if somebody brings up a motion to vacate him, and motion to take him out of the speakership chair, he said bring it on. he is putting the american people, and his words, above his job. i talk to congressman matt gaetz moments before speaker mccarthy came out and talk to reporters. here's what he had to tell me about that. watch. >> are you still -- why are you -- >> i think we have to break the fever dream of governing by

continuing resolution. this is worth why we are 33 trillion and, that and we have deficits. it is unfortunate that a lot of my colleagues want to continue governing that way. i think we lose a lot of momentum by passing the single subject appropriations bill to fund our troops, the border, our department of state, and to funder veterans. i think we should keep going on that path, and i am concerned, by so what i heard in, there that we are going in reverse. and not in the right direction. >> do you going to bring up a motion to oust? them >> that would be up to my colleagues. >> as you heard from mccarthy there, he is clearly frustrated. he does not want the government to shut down. as do most of his conference up here. i spoke to moderate members, for example, who we heard from at the top there. he is a vulnerable member from new york. his district, president biden, he said, the only plan right now is to avoid a government shutdown. the problem is that there are a number of holdouts who

certainly don't feel that way. now, speaker mccarthy is putting this bill on the floor, a last-ditch effort to keep the lights on in this building as they try to figure out and will wholesome plan to fund the government as they pass their other preparations bills in these next 45 days. the question, as will the senate take up the house passed bill, or will the senate move forward with their own continuing resolution plan. that is something speaker mccarthy is trying to squeeze them on here. >> thank you so much, julie. now, sam, you had a sense of those remarks, just like i did. there were a few things that jumped out at me. it's clear that speaker mccarthy is trying to project an image of himself as a leader in this moments of crisis. it's interesting to me because i'm unsure of whether he is on the same planet as everybody else he's listening. he said, number one, we need to put partisanship aside. number two, who is going to be the adult in the room? he is willing to risk his job, and he also said the senate better get its work done. who is he actually talking to? it seems like it's his own

party, and the members of that caucus that he needs to get together. what do you make of that? it's sounded good. it sounded tough and strong. are you buying it from him when it's his caucus that seems to be the delay? >> right. i mean, two things can be true at once here. one is, it was his caucus that caused this delay. his inability to move any legislation through the house. we would not be at this press the pests, at a shutdown, if the house republican caucus had some sort of functioning plan. that's true. the second thing that's true is that he is now at this 11th hour, coming to a decision that, frankly, he probably could've made weeks ago, to have this 45-day continued resolution on the floor. truthfully, he has this position at risk. if this is to pass, imagine the matt gaetz of the world, and

conservatives, they do come after the speakership. anyone who could read where this is heading, they knew that he would probably be in the spot. think is a little disingenuous for mccarthy to say that this is -- they did have a negotiation on the debt ceiling. if you recall, they agreed to this funding. he is moving past that very quickly in opportunistically. >> that was nbc's julie tsirkin on capitol hill, in politico, sam stein. both of you are going to ask you stay close by, because we will check in as the vote comes together. thank you very much. all, also hear from wheaton packed, this dog woman, representative of texas. she is the chief deputy with the house democratic caucus and is also a member of the house budget, homeland security, and judiciary committees. thanks for being here. congresswoman, i want to ask you flat out, number one, are

you prepared to vote for the short term continuing resolution? number two, do you think that will be enough to keep the government open? >> well, charles, thanks for having. the democrats have been fighting vigorously to not even get to this point. democrats never wanted to shut down. democrats do not want to shut down. speaker mccarthy and his group of many maga members, and others, have been driving recklessly towards the train wreck of a shutdown. they have been driving towards a shutdown. kevin mccarthy knows full well that he had president biden, who has been engaged, sat down in the spring and worked out budget numbers, that we would not have a shutdown. this is a mass grave, this is a misrepresentation of sincerity. all of us will take very seriously any effort to avoid shutting down this governments that would not have men and women of the united states

military cutting law enforcement, taking teachers away from every single congressional district. houston, the american federation of teachers are there, and i have made every commitment that teachers need to teach. childcare would be lost by over 60,000 children. access to -- over 60,000 children. democrats do not want to shut down. isn't it ridiculous that they had days of resolution, and they put a sea are on the floor. this would cut 30%. they wouldn't even entertain the senate's bipartisan c r that could be done quickly here in the house. we would have a combination of house and senate approving this. the question of the vote today, i will gather with my colleagues, in the democratic caucus, we don't want to shut down. it will make every effort to do the right thing for the american people.

any high talking today by the speaker, and certainly, i hope he's sincere but not wanting to shut down, should have been two weeks ago. meeting with a democratic leader of jeffries to ensure that we had a bipartisan approach. and that only by the divide in the republican conference, that's all it's about. >> congresswoman, you have the idea that the democrats never wanted to get here. with republicans holding a very slim majority in congress, for as long as they will hold its, until midterms, foreseeably, what has to happen? one of the changes that you think are needed to take place in order to avoid this logjam, and make government function more efficiently? is it possible under speaker mccarthy that it could get done? if so, how does that happen? >> well, charles, what should've happened is this conversation, a month ago, as i said two weeks ago, where

democratic jeffries, who has always extended a hands of collaboration and discussion. we have always asked for a clean cpr. as the agreement was made between speaker mccarthy, the leader of the house, and the president of the united states you respected him, we had the steel back in may. we did need to be here. then all of us that he felt really strongly a victim to the maga extremists in his conference. he began to add border patrol, border security, it's deliberative approach. he started saying that he didn't want any ukraine funding. what discussions need to be had. he had, as i said, a resolution which is a 30% cut. this would basically take out a majority of the united states military. as i said, this will cut teachers, the nih would not be funded, climate change, obviously, issues that are of concern to the american people. peoples various benefits might even be in jeopardy right now,

if we shut down. social security is clearly in jeopardy, public education is on the chopping block. it continues to raise its ugly head as to what will impact. i'm from houston. what impacts our city, our cities will be devastatingly impact edge. the reason is, they're just getting over the pandemic. the covid pandemic. they're just getting over the federal funds. it was a lifeline for them. i worked really hard to get this funds to houston, texas. i'm working with my local city government, county government, to think what happens if we have a shutdown, and all the federal workers across the nation, here in washington, but our federal workers are really out in the hamlets, cities, and counties. that is where the impact is. the airports will be impacted with our transportation security officers who are dedicated, they will not be paid, and there will be problems there. to answer firmly your question, we are always, as democrats,

ready to engage. we have to see what this particular proposal is. we asked the question why this couldn't be presented to democratic leader jeffries two weeks ago. we could've work this out. this could've been voted on at the end of the week. it could've been voted on last week, we don't know what the cuts are in the cer, but i can assure you, we're going to do everything we can all do everything i can, every part of the solution, and not a part of the problem, right now, republicans are really part of the huge problem. again, as i said, they are driving a train recklessly into a train wreck. the train wreck is a government shutdown. they've gotta prove to us that they want to do this in a way that puts the american people, american families children's first. that's the key that will get the sun. >> that was texas congresswoman, sheila johnson lead. thank you for your time and your work. joining me now is democratic congresswoman, barbara lee of california. we have so much to talk about. first of, all congresswoman, lee that give you your time in

the midst of everything else going on. i'm going to ask you the same question that i started with with congresswoman leon. there is going to be a new short term spending bill put on the floor within the hour. do you intend to vote for? and, is this going to be enough to actually keep the government open? >> thank you for having me. let me just say, first, the speaker is really caught in between a rock and a hard place. now, all of a sudden, he is coming forth with a new plan, which and leadership media right now, we were discussing, and so i haven't even seen what he has proposed yet. bottom line is that democrats have fought day and night to keep our government open. we understand that this impacts long people who are working, the federal workers, for example, people who will be furloughed, people who need their paychecks. some people, many people live paycheck to paycheck. it's unacceptable to shut the government down. the speaker, all of a sudden,

they are coming forward to, trying to make democrats, to blame democrats for anything that we have not, that we have not done. in fact, it's been the president and our leader, hakeem jeffries, and, others who have been negotiating to try to keep the government open. so we can put this on us. now we know that he has had some severe problems with his maga extremist republicans, they have got us to this point. >> a lot of those problems, congresswoman, started when he became elected as the speaker. we're talking about 15 rounds of unprecedented number of voting rounds to try to even get into the speakership. was that just a set up for failure, that sort of pave the way for where we are now in terms of kevin mccarthy's speakership been so fragile, in a way that he can't even lead his own party against a relatively small group of non marketable -- who are insistent in terms of

hijacking his claims? >> yes, as you know, during the speakership vote, i was a teller. democrats are two tellers, republicans had to tellers. i sat there for three or four days counting, and watch and what was taking place. through the 15 rounds, we still don't know what those deals were at that kevin mate. we don't know what was insisted on, and how they intend to hold, which is what's happening. speaker mccarthy hostage. that is the first indication that he would be a weak speaker, first of all, and in fact, we don't know what he gave away. i think that we're beginning to see now that he is really held hostage by the maga extremist republicans. that is a very dangerous place for the public to be, because look who is running the show. donald trump. he is pulling the strings with these republicans, and in fact,

speaker mccarthy is following the game plan of donald trump. >> congresswoman lee, i like a good fairytale and a happy ending as much as anybody else. i've gotta ask you, how likely is it that we might see that fairytale, and that happy and, dame where there are republicans who would be willing to cross the aisle, and try to work with democrats to actually get this done? >> you have to be an optimist to be a public servant. you have to believe that we can work together on behalf of the american people, and put people for us. i'm going to continue to work to make sure that we do just that. democrats have been doing that for day one. yes, we'll do everything we can do to keep the government open, and also do everything we can do to make sure that the most vulnerable, in the people who need their paychecks, and their services by the federal government, that those are maintains. but we have to understand that we've been doing this day in, night date night. now he is trying to get speaker

mccarthy to flip it on the democrats as if we are the ones that have been holding our government in the american people hostage. that's just not the case. >> california congresswoman, thank you for your time and this moment. best of luck in this fight to keep the government open. i want to bring back political sam stein. sam, what are you hearing, what do you think that the democrats are going to do with respect to this new short term bell? is it actually going to get done? tell me what you know, in what you think is the next step for where we are now? >> i thought your interviews were interesting. here no direct references to whether they would support this measurement, but no rejections either. what we have is the situation in which mccarthy is going to put this 45-day continuing resolution, which is, and by that we mean there is no additions to it in terms of ukraine, but there is disaster relief. he's going to put it on the floor. he's going to do it in a way that is under a special, which

means he needs to third at the house to get this passed. that means he's going to need, you know, potentially 150 or more democrats to get the thing passed. that, i don't know. that is going to be tough. we are going to see what happens here. there are a couple dynamics that i think are worth watching. one, you know, this was sort of the premise by which the conservatives in the house said mccarthy would be risking his speakership if he relied on democrats to continue funding the government. they said he will come after him with the motion to vacate the chair. that -- >> story, i really want to stay on that point for a moment because i think it's really important. we're talking, potentially, about the future of kevin mccarthy as the house speaker. do you think that if he is able to negotiate something that allows for some trust democrats, for more centered leaning democrats, to make a deal in order to get this done, do you think that that will ultimately then put his speakership in

jeopardy with more conservative republicans who feel like they, that he went around what they were trying to do? >> these are such insane hypotheticals to have to try to work around. in theory, yes. because he would be doing the exact thing that they said is a red line, or was a line that they don't want to do across. in practice, i don't know. he would have to see how this vote goes. this is the first on this 45 -- the passes are not. if it does pass, let's say ten steps down the, road of his speakership's challenge, but democrats come unveil amount for doing this exact thing? we're in sort of uncharted territory here. on top of all that, you know, let's say that they do get two thirds of the house to pass this 45-day cpr, that doesn't necessarily mean that the government is, opened? ripe the senate also has to pass its own bill, and the

senate's version is different than this house version, and it follows to a two korean chuck schumer's court, because he has his own priorities, does include aid to ukraine, but he could, he could say we have our own bell. the house has its own bill. let's try to merge these two, or why don't you consider ours? so while we have, one, like 12 hours, maybe less until this government shuts down, were like ten or 20 steps away from an actual resolution. there's a lot of drama to fit into the next half day. >> one more question to you, stab. i watched that gaetz walk around the capitol just a moment ago, and talk to reporters. it almost seemed as if he had a puff chested, a little bit of a bravado. is there a narrative out there among conservative republicans where he is sort of holding out, we're looking to have these individual appropriation bills passed? or is he generally speaking

being viewed as an obstructionist? >> well, let me ask, have you ever seen mccain without a puff chest in a little bit of bravado? that's his natural disposition. that being said, i will say, yeah, he is getting some sort of hero worship, but he is getting a -- for what he's doing. this is his destruct. keep in mind it's very conservative in florida, he is leading a charge of conservative members, i don't think everyone is convinced that he's doing it on principles. i think he wants to stand on spending, built this is the hill to dial, but there is a general sense that, you know, he's fighting a good fight. that mccarthy is going to sell it to democrats, that he needs to hold the line. certainly, there is an immediate tension. frankly, there is funding off of this is. well it's good for his political brand. >> political sam stein, thank

you so much for having, nascent been with us on this saturday. >> thank, you charles. >> appreciated. stay with, us we are going to continue to monitor the situation on capitol hill where the house is expected to vote on a new short term spending bill at some point this morning. before we get there, donald trump is joining another courtroom, this time for civil fraud case in new york. could something finally stick to the reported and reputed tough long don? that's next, you're watching velshi on nbc. i'm charles coleman junior, we'll be right back. 'll be right back. have heart failure with unresolved symptoms? it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could be something more serious called attr-cm, a rare, under-diagnosed disease that worsens over time.

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in both his speeches and on social media. on friday, a court filing says that recent comments about public officials, including about the now former chair of the joint chiefs of staff, mark milley, strength in their claim that trump should be restricted in his remarks about the special counsel's election interference case. this comes just weeks after jack smith's team initially filed a motion for a gag order. threats of violence against prosecutors, federal agents, witnesses and judges have escalated. yesterday, tommy chalked and scheduled a hearing to discuss the potential gag order on october 16th. joining me now former federal prosecutor, paul butler a professor at georgetown law. an msnbc legal analyst. paul, let's just talk. i talk to lawyers, i love to just get right to where. how much of an impact do you think these current remarks, on

social media, that the former president is making, after the special prosecutor has filed seeking this limitation of his comments, is having an influence on judge shokin what she ultimately will decide? >> charles, yes donald trump does have first amendment rights. there are important issues when we are thinking about the campaign speech of someone who is a leading candidate for president. jack smith is worried that donald trump's violent rhetoric is going to get someone hurt or killed. jack smith says that we already know this because that is exactly what happened on january 6th. i expect that judge chutkan will balance these concerns and issue a-limited order that says that donald trump cannot intimidate witnesses. cannot try to infect the jury pool. >> right. we know the don't trump has a host of legal issues going on. we have talked about d.c. where you are. let's talk about new york where i am.

he has a civil trial. he filed for a delay. that delay was not granted. it is a bench trial. we also saw a summary judgment, a motion or a decision come out in that case where, basically, the judge said that the business filings were fraudulent. how do you see that bench trial playing out here in new york? >> charles, donald trump would rather be, almost, anywhere else than a civil courtroom in new york where he watches the disillusionment of his corporate entities. this is really about donald trump's strategy of delay. he has this other civil case going on in florida, where he is suing michael cohen. there was a depositions scheduled for that case on monday. trump told the judge in that case, i cannot sit for that deposition, because he would have to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing about the truth. we know that is really difficult for trump. trump said, i don't want to go to that deposition on monday. judge, i have this civil trial

starting in manhattan. i have got to be. they're under the law, he doesn't have to be there. that is what he elected. again, it is the effect of his strategy of trying to delay these cases. he is going to be in that courtroom, charles. i'll be really surprised if he testifies. the attorney general, letitia james, says all of the evidence that she needs from him is a deposition. >> we now talked about d.c., we've talked new york, we have to go down south and talk fulton county. former prosecutors, both of us. scott hall, a bail bondsman. one of the 19 codefendants on this r.i.c.o. case that fani willis in the fulton county's d.a.'s office has brought against donald trump is now flipped. he pled guilty to some misdemeanor charges. he is not going to jail. he has agreed to testify for the prosecution, if called, as a witness. how big of a deal is this? looking to put her case

together and thinking about the early trials that she's gonna be bringing. how significant is hallson on donald trump? >> it is an important development. it is not a surprising development. about 90% of people who are prosecuting and up pleading guilty. there are going to be more of these 19 defendants who do the same thing. scott hall is getting a really good deal. he was looking at up to 20 years. he gets probation and he gets to keep his license at the bail bondsman. what does this tell us? it tells us that fani willis is going out to the big fish. she was going after donald trump, she is going after rudy giuliani. she does not need this guy's testimony. chief role in powell move, she said, make my day. i'm ready to try this case tomorrow. this is kind of warp speed for a complicated r.i.c.o. case but she is ready to go. what's important with scott hall is he can offer the goods

against sydney powell. we learned that she hasn't had a plea offer made. cindy powell. she is going to get one next week. the fact that scott hall could testify against her was a powerful incentive for her to make a deal. she could give up the goods on donald trump. >> we covered a lot of legal ground there. there will be more for us to talk about in the future. thank you, so much, for joining. the msnbc legal analyst paul butler. and, you can now catch up on all four of those indictments that we are talking about with respect to donald trump with a print copy of the trump indictments. the 91 criminal counts against the former president of the united states. it contains all of the charging documents against donald trump, and his codefendants, complete and unabridged. this was edited and introduced by nunn other than ari velshi. it is out now so grab your copies. make sure you stay tuned. we have more velshi after a quick break.

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connecticut spoke out about that very bill. >> we have had 15 minutes to review a 71-page document. a document that was filed before midnight last night. there has not been anytime for staff to review a 71-page document. such an important issue, we are facing, it demonstrates a lack of responsibility, a lack of a willingness to have a bipartisan agreement.

i rise in strong opposition to the bill. >> back with us is nbc news capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin. julie, you have been watching this all morning. what we know is that the house is supposed to vote on a short term funding bill very soon. how soon, actually, is that going to happen? what do we know about the possibility of that passing and any support for that bill? >> that is the big question, charles. the next couple of minutes the house will begin voting on this 45-day clean continuing resolution. basically stopgap the government funding laps. we expect to happen at midnight tonight. it is clean because it doesn't have ukraine funding, border security money, none of that which has proven to be contentious among republicans here in the house. it does include disaster relief. of 16 billion that was requested by the biden administration. it also includes a reauthorization of the faa provision which expires tonight at midnight.

the question is, will have democratic votes to pass? remember, under this suspension to avoid any votes, any of the wonky long process the typically needs to take place on the house floor under regular order they need a two thirds majority for this bill to pass. that means that republicans are going to need democratic votes to get across that threshold. we still expect those holdouts, 21 of whom voted against the more conservative continuing resolution yesterday, that included those border provisions, to vote no on this bill today. democratic leadership is huddling to try to figure out their next steps. really, speaker mccarthy is trying to see if they can pass something before the senate gets in at 1:00 today and they turn to take up they continuing resolution that does include ukraine funding. does include money for disaster relief, as well. all of these plants popping up at the 11th hour. as you heard from rosa delauro, the top democrat on the appropriations committee, this is a bill they have not been able to see, or read, because

this plan really came up out of thin air overnight, really, by republican leadership. in the next couple of minutes we should have our answer as to whether this passes. it is really going to be something that is difficult for democrats to vote down and easy for republicans to paint them as, holding the government hostage. in honor of ukraine funding. because that is not in this bill. that is certainly something democrats are contending with. >> that was nbc's julie tsirkin on capitol hill. she has been following this, all day. thank you so much for keeping us up to speed as things have developed. we will be right back with more velshi on msnbc. i am charles coleman junior. stay right there. ay right there

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everyone's gonna need more tide. it's a mess out there. that's why there's 85% more tide in every power pod. -see? -ah. lawmakers are on the house floor right now discussing the clean continuing resolution that speaker kevin mccarthy says that he will bring to vote later today. with me now is tom nichols, a staff writer at the atlantic.

the author of the atlantic daily newsletter. i'm also joined by tara setmayer, senior adviser for the lincoln project, former gop communications director and host of the lincoln's project tv the breakdown. tara, i want to talk to you about what's going on here in the house right. now what are you? thinking how do you feel like it is reflecting on the republican parties brand? >> i spent seven years as a hail staffer. during my time there we averted a couple of government shutdowns during the obama ministration. that is because they had decent leadership and people who understood what the consequences was if we, in fact, one into a shutdown. right now we have a republican party that is completely uninterested in governing. they are political power maniacs led by the maga extremists like matt gaetz, and others. an important speaker in kevin mccarthy who is unable to control them. this is something really

fascinating to me because of the priorities that the democrats are putting forth for the american people, workers, funding ukraine -- an important democracy that we need to make sure we stand behind. it is interesting to see what republicans are arguing over. they are arguing over border security and other superfluous issues about the budget and spending. i get it, this is something that have been part of the republican mantra for decades. i, as a fiscal conservative, i get it. however, the idea with border security, republicans had multiple opportunities to fix the problems when they control congress and the house. they had the white house. the senate, and congress. they didn't do it. not only that, they have a couple of government shutdowns at the time, as well. they don't want to fix these problems. they continue to use them as political cudgel so they can premier out and yell and scream and make it look like there is some martyrs our heroes for the conservative values. they are not. they don't care.

matt gaetz doesn't care. he has no political incentive to do the right thing. it is all about him trying to gain more followers. again on fox news, run for governor in florida. the american people our governing system has to suffer because republicans have ceded any semblance of governance to the maga extremists who don't give a darn about our democracy, or making sure that our government functions properly. congress has one job, that is to fund the government. they can get that right. >> tom, terry just described a scenario where, basically, you have a group of maga republicans who are willing to hold the government hostage. they are not, necessarily, concerned about the notion of governing. in fact, what it seems like we are seeing is they are willing to, essentially, burn everything down and -- if you are democrats, if you are the democratic party, if you were hakeem jeffries, what is a solution? their how do you find a way

around a group of people who are willing to let a small minority of the party, basically, dictate what goes on to the detriment of the entire government? >> this whole thing is playing out as an internal, republican, psycho drama. it really has nothing to do with governing nothing to do with funding the government, or doing their jobs as congressman. one of the interesting things is these are people who, in an earlier time and certainly in a better house, would have been relegated to the far arctic back benches. there is no way that a responsible republican house leadership would've let someone like matt gaetz anywhere near the podium and have this kind of sway. the moment that mccarthy made the deal, where any one member could move to vacate the chair, this was inevitable, as inevitable as the sunrise, this was gonna happen.

one of the things democrats could do is one of the first rules of politics is don't interrupt your opponent when he is busy hurt himself. the problem is if democrats don't do anything then everybody gets hurt because the government gets shuts down. a lot of innocent folks out there who are counting on the government to function every day, they will be hurt by the shutdown. the military, down to those who rely on government assistance. the only thing they can do is hope that there are a couple of reasonable cooler heads somewhere in this caucus. i don't think they're there. a lot of this is just bait. i think congressman mueller makes a good point. we are gonna continue we are gonna pass this. here is something that you haven't read. there's all winter stuff in there that should be there but isn't. we are gonna try to get you to sign on to it. -- when that goes wrong we can blame you to. this is completely a creation of the republicans.

unfortunately it is falling to the democrats, once, again to be the democratic adults in the room. there is not a lot of space to do that because these republicans are completely irresponsible. they are acting like children. they're having a playground fight amongst themselves. >> i read about 90 seconds left. i have the same question for both of you. a two part question. number one, what likelihood that this actually gets done? at a shutdown is averted. what does your gut tell you in your political instincts? number two, is this the beginning of the end of kevin mccarthy's speakership? >> i have said that mccarthy wouldn't be speaker in the first place. i was halfway. it took 15 rounds and he speaker name, on. the evidence by his inability to lead and get things done's with the congress. my gut feeling is there will be a shutdown. there are too many variables that have to happen between now and midnight. there will be a shutdown. how long? that remains to be seen.

let's remember that every government shutdown that have ever happened has happened on republican watches. kevin mccarthy, how dare you try to turn your impotent speakership around and blame it on president biden who has done nothing but need this country properly and predicted our democracy and is doing the right thing. how dare. you knew better. >> tom, same question to you? >> i knew tara and i would probably be on the same wavelength about. this is mccarthy's speakership over? he isn't really speaker to begin with. the real question is, how long does he actually occupy that seat? he is not really speaker right now like tara i think there is going to be a shutdown. it is just too irresistible to these chaos producing republicans. the idea is just too much fun for them to resist. there will be some kind of shut down, probably sure just to prove they could do it how long

it goes? on that depends on how incompetent the rest of the republicans, including mccarthy, really are. >> tom hinkles and tara setmayer, thank you to you both. we will be, of course, watching this as it moves forward. that is going to do it for me today. i am charles coleman junior. thank you for watching velshi on msnbc. the gory you go anywhere, stay exactly there and tune because alex whitworth reports will begin right after a quick break. break. two things at once! ♪ two things at once. i'll have the... ...two things at once, please. now back to two things at once. ♪ two things at once. that's not two things at once. moooom! travis? ask about getting this season's covid-19 shot when getting your flu shot.