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sides. let's cross over now to nbc news white house reporter monica alba to get the very latest. but, in just a moment, we will also get an update from ali vitali as well. monica, i will start with you. do we know what the white house is thinking at the moment? are they waiting, obviously, for this bill to make its way to the president for signature? >> exactly, ayman. as soon as it is able to -- send over to the white house, we are expecting the president to sign this, before midnight, ideally, sometimes, as ali now as well, it can take a bit of a while to do all of the logistics to make sure it is already for the presidents signature. but that is the plan. in effect, averting this government shut down pretty close to the deadline. we are journalists. so, we are used to getting close to the wire here. but this is about as close as you can get. and i have to tell, you my conversation with white house officials all day today. they were fully and bracing for the government to shut down. they had been very clear about the possible impact here, and

-- the messaging on that part was -- on these lawmakers and really putting the onus on house republicans and speaker kevin mccarthy that something we saw president biden do all week long, saying he even thought that the speaker made a terrible bargaining with some of those conservative -- trying to really bend to their demands and so, today, when you saw the speaker put that 45-day spending measure that really punts this to mid november, there was a sense of a pause from the white house about evaluating what was really in it. so, there was a strategic radio silence of not wanting to weigh in, letting democrats do their thing, letting them figure out and getting a signal from leader jeffries about how to proceed, and once that process was underway, senior administration officials, i'm told, we're in touch with a lot of these folks on the hill in congressional leadership. both democrats and republicans, and obviously, the white house felt that democrats shouldn't have supported this measure.

they would have been vocal in that. but given their silence, that was sort of the nod to keep going and pursuit that's, because at the end of the day, president biden wanted to, of course, avoid a government shutdown. he didn't want to get to this pain >> monica, let me -- because senator schumer's speaking. let's take a listen. >> no government shutdown. democrats have said from the start that the only solution for avoiding a shutdown is bipartisanship. and we are glad that speaker mccarthy has finally heeded our message. in the end, more democrats supported this bill in the house that republicans. proving bipartisanship was the best answer all along. i want to thank my colleagues here in the senate, especially our appropriators. yourself, madam president, susan collins, and leader

mcconnell. our bipartisan work in the senate is set the tone for the bill we are about to pass. our bipartisanship made this possible, and showed the house that they had to act. we will keep the government open for 45 days with a clean cr. at the current funding levels. and we avoided all of the extreme nasty and harmful cuts maga republicans wanted. no 30% cuts across the board. no 30% cuts to things like health care, to the social security administration, to the nutrition programs for kids. full reauthorization of the faa until december 31st. and the poisoned pill amendments, of which there were scores, mcgahn inspired rioters were all removed from the bill. after trying to take our government hostage, maga

republicans won nothing. so, one more time. it is good speaker mccarthy finally, finally heeded our message. that bipartisanship was and is and remains the only way. he could have made this decision weeks ago. now, i've said from day one, this is a bridge cr, a temporary solution, not the final destination. we will not stop fighting for more economic and security assistance for ukraine. majorities in both parties support ukraine aid. and doing more is vital for americas security and for democracy around the world. but this cr is still very good news for the american people. today, maga extremists have failed. bipartisanship has prevailed. and both parties have come together to avoid a shutdown. once again, thank you to leader mcconnell, appropriations chair patty murray, vice chair susan

collins, and members on both sides of the aisle who came together. today's cr would not have been possible, without the senate's good work. the senate showed that bipartisanship was the only way, and the same will be true, again, in 45 days. i yield the floor. i do not yet yield the floor. >> president, i move to proceed to executive session to consider calendar 319. >> question is on the motion. all those in favor say aye. >> aye >> opposed? nate. -- the ayes do have.

it >> -- james see o'brien james c. obrien -- >> cloture motion -- 22 of the standing rules in the senate do hereby move to bring -- nomination of executive caliber, number 31, nine james c. obrien, of nebraska to, be an assistant secretary of state european and -- senators as follow. >> i ask consent the reading of the names you waved. >> without objection. >> i moved to proceed to legislative session. >> questions on the motion. all those in favor say aye? >> opposed, nay. the ayes appear to have. the ayes have. a motion is agreed. do >> i move to proceed to executive session to consider one caliber 176. >> questions on the motion.

all those in favor say, aye. >> aye. >> all those opposed say no. clark -- nomination the judiciary brendan -- of maryland the united states -- >> all right, so it seems after speaking on the floor there are senate majority leader chuck schumer, is taking care of some administrative issues that perhaps may be outstanding. but the major headline from his speech is the senate has now passed a funding bill to keep the government open by a vote of 88 votes in favor. nine opposed, we are working on getting the name of those nine. but as the senate majority leader, said this was a very good day for america. there will be no government shutdown. declaring a victory for bipartisanship. and, again avoiding what he called massive or extreme cuts by maga extremist. no 30% cut across the board. mcguire publicans have won nothing. but we will find ourselves here in 45 days, if not sooner, as the congress tries to find a

long-term solution to this. for now, though there is no government shutdown, as we had all been bracing for and certainly, the white house. let's cross back over to monica alba. monica, my sincerest apologies to you for interrupting you, but we just wanted to hear the majority leader there speak. about the passage of this bill. and let's just go back to the point that we were saying and as i was concluding, those comments, that the white house and i think, most of us who are following this, who are bracing ourselves for a government shutdown. that now clearly has not happened. it will not happen. give us the insight of what the white house is thinking about the passage of this specific short term funding bill. obviously, on one hand, they are going to welcome it because it is not a shutdown of the government. but is it also a victory in terms of what they were hoping to get? >> well, i think there is one big piece of this at the white house is watching very closely, and that is something that leader schumer alluded to. that is specifically this ukraine aid and funding. that is something that is really, really critical to president biden and his

administration. and as we saw personally, just a matter of days ago from ukrainian president zelenskyy, at the white house, on capitol hill, making that personal pitch and appeal and saying why it was so necessary that the u. s. continue to support ukraine against the russian invasion that now has been going for nearly 20 months or so, so, a white house official did tell me this afternoon that they do expect this to be taken up in a supplemental matter in the coming days. and they were saying they really believe speaker mccarthy will be the want to follow through on this and when i asked them what gave them that kind of confidence, that he would do, that they said in the past, speaker mccarthy has shown a willingness to support this kind of funding and that they will hold him to that. so, that is a space to watch here, because there has been a lot of debate. there has been bipartisan support for continued funding and aid and help for ukraine.

so, that is one piece of this that they're watching. but certainly, some of these other items, the white house is pushing for intently when it came to disaster relief funding, fema is so strapped over the last couple of months, with so many different natural disasters. the faa, authorization, bill that was a key part of it, and that is connected to this 45-day stopgap measure. so, there's a lot in this for the white house to like and support. but there will still be other things, and it is just this matter of strategy and how the president approaches this. they took a bit of a gamble with this process in the last couple of. days a hands off approach, saying this is fully on republicans. this is a mess of their own making. we are going to tell americans what's at stake, but this is not for the white house for the president to resolve, because speaker mccarthy isn't honoring a deal he did have a handshake agreement on with the president back when they were talking about the debt ceiling and a potentially crippling default for u. s. that would have been historic. it was avoided because of the

agreement that was reached. so, i'm told by white house officials there is a sense here that they are happy they held the line the way that they did. they didn't see any reason for the president and speaker mccarthy to meet again over this in the last couple of days, even though speaker mccarthy tried to put his pressure on the president to do that. so, they are happy with the way that that played out, because they think this was a pretty stunning reversal from speaker mccarthy, given some of his words of the last couple of days. you better believe the white house is going to continue to point that out and say that it didn't work when he wasn't trying to bend to the will of some of the right-wing republicans in his party. that failed. this is what he had to do. come back to the table and reach out to democrats, for their support and getting this past, and the white house are certainly going to pivot to that, talk about bipartisanship, and remember, president biden just a matter of days ago had that major speech in arizona that talked about threats to democracy at large. and really tried to pitch bipartisanship as something

essential that the united states should try to return to, so, i think you can expect this president, the eternal optimist, to say, that is the only path forward here. a bicameral, bipartisan solution, and the white house will be pushing for that. >> all right, monica alba live for us the white house. monika, which i can with you. as this makes its way from capitol hill to 1600 pennsylvania avenue the next couple of hours, perhaps even sooner than that, let's cross over to ali vitale, tracking all of this for us on capitol hill. ali, we now have the vote. 88 in favor, nine no. and two not present, including senator tim scott, who was not there today. and the michigan senator debbie stabenow. who i believe has covid and was not there for the vote as well. but tell us about how this vote obviously went down as expected? tell us about those that voted no, and perhaps why they voted no on?

>> look, you and i were talking about this before, when we knew seven of those nine no votes, we can now total them out, because i know you are looking into who they were. starting with senator blackburn of tennessee. ron of indiana, cruz of texas, marshall paul schmidt, vance lee, and haggerty. those are the nine senators that voted no, not entirely surprising, when you look at the concerns many of them have aired on the spending front. and he went i talked about why. in some cases, like senator paul of kentucky, these are not people who would regularly vote for continuing resolutions anyway. there's no reason why this one should be any different. it's a fundamental belief of how government should be funded, which is to say, through a more regular order process of going bill by a bill, appreciation by appropriation, over those 12 spending bills and doing government funding that way. of course, that's not what it continuing resolution is. in this instance, it is meant to buy them 45 more days to figure out what appropriations levels might look like. when you look at the rest of those numbers, though, yes, debbie stabenow, you're right, is that with covid.

senator tim scott, an interesting, month because i'm not sure he was out campaigning today. that would usually be a reason to miss a vote like this. but we had seen him maneuver in an attempt to try to be more present for some of the negotiations last week. nevertheless, it's possible he might be out on the trail. you might be fundraising. we have seen senators certainly run for president before and have to juggle the responsibilities at their day job with their aspirational child,, so it is entirely possible that that's what senator scott might have been doing. of course, he is the other person who wasn't voting and as we mentioned earlier in the program, we're not counting the usual 100 here for senators. we are counting to 99, because of the loss of senator diane feinstein just yesterday. when your team from now patty murray and prior to that, senator, schumer is setting up what next week might look like, which is doing some housekeeping procedurally, to move forward on certain judicial nominees when they come back into town. next week. but there is talk of what

monica mentioned, which is that ukraine supplemental, or whether or not it can be paired with something a little larger in bipartisan fashion. maybe something on the border and ukraine. certainly, all these things are start of swirling in the mix as some senators have tried to dig in on those issues and see if there's any you know, bipartisan action that could be taken at this point. >> all, right ali, live for us on capitol hill. we also understand the white house has released a statement. we'll get that statement here shortly in just a moment. actually, i have the statement. let me read it for you right here. i just got it, our inbox, a statement for president joe biden on the passage of the bipartisan bill tonight. bipartisan majorities in the house and senate voting to keep the government open, preventing an unnecessary crisis that would have inflicted needless pain on millions of hardworking americans. this bill ensures the active duty troops will continue to get paid, travelers will be spared airport delays, millions of women and children will continue to have access to vital nutrition assistance, and so much more,

this is good news for the american people. but i want to be clear, we should never have been in this position in the first place. just a few months ago, speaker mccarthy and i reached a budget agreement to avoid precisely this type of manufactured crisis. for weeks, extreme house republicans tried to walk away from that deal by demanding drastic cuts that would have been devastating for millions of americans. they failed. while the speaker and the overwhelming majority of congress have been steadfast in their support for ukraine, there is no new funding in this agreement to continue that support. we cannot, under any circumstances, allow american support for ukraine to be interrupted. i fully expect the speaker will keep his commitment to the people of ukraine, and secure passage of this support needed to help ukraine at this critical moment. that was a statement just in to our newsroom here from the white house. let's continue this conversation now with my panel,

michael --, managing director for hamilton place strategies, and former white house press secretary for first lady dr. jill biden. kurt bardella, former republican spokesperson for the house oversight committee. he is now a democratic strategist, and a contributor for the los angeles times, and jennifer horn, former new hampshire republican. party chair it's great to have you with us. so, lots to get to here tonight. kurt, i'll start with you. give me your impressions, your reactions, to what has transpired tonight, what has played out, and perhaps, more specifically, the statement we have just heard from president biden, that this is a situation, this is a manufactured crisis that we should never have found ourselves in in the first place? >> yeah, this is republicans in complete disarray. this is kevin mccarthy, the speaker of the house, who has lost complete control over his own conference. it's unthinkable to me that under a speaker, nancy pelosi, that no matter what the margins

were of her majority, larger, or small that she would ever find yourself in this kind of a situation, where she had to rely on the other party to deliver a funding of the government and avoid a shutdown. the fact that mccarthy now had to tuck his tail between his legs, go to democrats, and basically abandon every funding goal he had and all the deals he had made with republicans, to try to get this done and avoid a disasterous shut down, speaks volumes about how weak he is a speaker. he is really, as eric squabble pointed, the spectator speaker at this point, because clearly, he can't keep his conference under control. i don't think anything is going to change in 45 days from now that is going to help him in anyway be able to still

navigate the matt gaetz of the world. the overall converse has allowed them to be completely hijacked by seven or eight morons, it's a complete indictment of the lack of leadership we are seeing at the lack of the -- top of the republican leadership contest right now. once again, when push came to shove, and we were on the brink of a disaster is shut down, it was democrats who stepped up and delivered for the american people. it was democrats who saved this country from a disastrous shutdown, not the republican majority. >> jennifer, what does it mean to have senate democrats in a united front in favor of this short term spending bill, as kurt also mentioned, it was the democrats who have got across the finish line on the house side as well. and you have a slate of nine republican senators that's opposed it with the far-right extremists on the house side? >> so, and i apologize, i missed a couple of those last two things you said there. but what's happened today, what we saw today, with speaker mccarthy. it was not the result of some noble or honorable bipartisan negotiation between republicans and democrats. it was the result of democrats saving our butts, essentially,

saving the republicans bucks on all of this. and the reason this happens but way that it does, and he shut down we've ever had has been at the hands of the republican party. and the reason for that is because the republican base loves shutdowns. and the folks in congress know that. they have a very insensitive idea that the longer government is shut down, the better off we are. they don't have any concern at all for the millions of americans who suffer when something like this happens, who aren't paid, whose children don't have the care that they need, and it is strictly a political game. for them. mind you, it's the same came as we talk about this vote and the way the democrats had to come forward to make it happen for everybody, is those maga republicans are not the only republicans who didn't vote for this. this you know, the numbers are a reflection of just how

insensitive, it's the only word i can think of right now, that republicans are today to the needs of individual americans. michael, you've got that biden statement or the white house statement. you had senator chuck schumer, and you've had hakeem jeffries, leader hakeem jeffries, on the democratic side of the house, all pointing the finger at kevin mccarthy in no uncertain terms. it's very clear they're putting the blame on this squarely on the shoulders of kevin mccarthy. to bringing us to this break. he certainly has some egg on his face, because of the white house said in our statement, there was an agreement that was in place. this was something you know, he had given his word to the president that this situation would not unfold this way. yet, it did exactly unfold in a way that brought us to the brink of the shutdown. >> yeah, i was saying that a lot during may, june, during the fight over the debt ceiling,

this is actually where you're supposed to be spending the time negotiating the budget. during budget negotiations. not doing it that limit fight. but mccarthy has demonstrated he is not really a good faith actor. you really can't be trusted when it comes to negotiation. not even within his own conference. let alone with democrats. they blew through spending caps after the 2011 negotiation. he went back on his word, you know, from a couple months ago. and he broke promises within his own conference that he made in order to become speaker. he sort of makes decisions based on his hourly rate of survival. he is sort of like a day trader. and that is the way he has survived his speakership. i think his days are pretty numbered. whether it's sooner or after the 2024 election. i don't think he's gonna be hanging on to the gavel very much longer. >> all, right panel, please stick around. i want to talk to you guys a little bit later on the show. i do want to bring in the

conversation right now, democratic congressman colin allright of texas. he is also running for u. s. senate to unseat republican senator ted cruz. congressman, it's great to have you back on the show. i know it's been a busy weekend for you, so, we really appreciate your time. as i have been with most of our guest throughout the course of this evening, i am just kind of getting their general take away from tonight and how this all played out. and i will specifically ask you about your opponent, ted cruz, who voted no to this continued resolution. but first, let me get your thoughts, broadly speaking, about how this all went down and where we are right now? >> yeah, thanks, ayman. you know, once again, democrats had to be the adults in the room. we had to deliver to make sure that we didn't go off this cliff. and we did it in a bipartisan way, with 335 of us in the house, 88 votes in the senate, that is an overwhelming bipartisan vote, that shows that we can do this, but we also have to have leaders in

place who want to do this. and just yesterday, speaker mccarthy could have done this, any of the days before we got to this point. we put on the floor, a bill to cut 30% all of our programs, with a whole bunch of other poison pills in it. he was forced into this, but i'm glad he put this in this place. but people who need us most would have been the ones who have suffered the most from those playing politics over americans and over our country. >> let me ask you specifically about. the contents of this bill, the fact that kevin mccarthy ultimately did not go forth with the 30% spending cuts that he had been so stubbornly pushing for. there will be no cuts across the board on issues like nutrition assistance for children and women. the s. n. a. p. program. faa reauthorization has been renewed. the disaster relief funding, which i guess includes resources now to new york as well after what has just happened here. what does that tell us about the state of mind republican leadership finds itself in right now? >> you know, well, i think there are folks who want to get things done here, and we also

have some folks who are just here to burn everything down. and that's what we're seeing, that's what we see in these vote totals, and republican leadership has to, i think, work with folks like me and my colleagues who wants to get things done to help the american people, who understand we're not gonna get everything we want. but are actually trying to help in trying to be part of the solution. now, my opponent, ted cruz, as you said, is one of just a handful of votes in the senate who voted against this. who voted to force service members to work without pay, to deny support for small businesses to, you know, basically force us into significant travel delays, against food assistance for moms and kids. you covered it all. he is somebody who is part of the problem. that is what this next election is going to be. about we're seeing it in stark terms right now, these vote totals. you see who some of the problem kind of children are. and we don't have to put up with it,, so that's why, ayman, i hope that you go to colin allred. com and get involved with us. it doesn't have to be this.

>> it looks increasingly possible that lawmakers may bring a motion to oust kevin mccarthy. how would you respond if such a motion were brought into the house? >> we'll see what they do. it's hard getting into hypotheticals. but you know, i've heard all kinds of things, and they've had this kind of sort hanging over speaker mccarthy from the very beginning. this is what he negotiated a way to become speaker. this is why he has been, he's probably been the weakest speaker in recent memory. and so, we'll see what they do. obviously, we've seen from the numbers involved in this, with over 300 votes in the house, we have the numbers to actually govern and to try to keep us moving forward as a country. understanding we're not going to get everything and every single negotiation. what we needed, and what i wasn't sure the speaker would give us a chance to do, it's a chance to actually have the reflected in our votes. i'm glad he did give us that chance. he was forced into it, certainly, and we can't and save the day and protected the

american people from the horrible consequences that we would've gone into, but i'm glad we have that chance. we'll see what happens after. >> so, 45 days from now, obviously, this situation is not permanent. do you think there needs to be a fundamental change to the way this process happens? it seems like we are finding ourselves more frequently in this situation of a potential republican-led government shutdown, whether the debt ceiling or even before that, in this particular situation, with the appropriations bill. but do we find ourselves more frequently in these situations? can there be something done to prevent it? >> yeah, well, as you said, we did have an agreement, ayman. we struck an agreement, and we had over 300 votes in the house for it. when we delve this in the debt ceiling. and they backed away from that, so, we're lurching from crisis to crisis, because of the leadership, that we have in place. also, because we have i think, a component of the republican party is completely irresponsible, you know, starting with the speaker, but also including folks like ted cruz. so, we're going to be, unfortunately, in the situation for sometime. and i think folks have to understand that.

that is why this next election is so important. because we're seeing that we have folks who just want to tear things down. who don't want to help the american people, who don't want to get anything done. we don't even know what they're for. this was almost, i heard it called the seinfeld shut down. it was going to be about nothing. we didn't know what they wanted. luckily, we avoided that. but that is the situation that we're in, because of the makeup of the house majority here and because we have some folks in the senate like ted cruz, who in the next election, all of this is going to be on the ballot. so, i hope folks are paying attention. pay attention to the crisis that we are going through, that we keep seeing. it doesn't have to be this way. we can be better than this. >> we always welcome a good seinfeld reference, certainly. appreciate that, especially in this hour of the night, after a long day. congressman colin allred, we appreciate you making the time for us. thank you. next, concerns about something missing in that continued resolution aid to ukraine. we're going to talk about what that actually means for the people in ukraine.

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the vetted for four hours, a concern for many democrats, it was aid to ukraine. joining me now is allison joscelyn, ceo of iraq and afghanistan veterans. of america, ellison ridge a again. you, know your reaction to what is in this bill for ukraine or, i should say, what's not in this bill for ukraine, and how concerned should you be about the fact that ukraine aid was temporarily, at least, according to senate leader minority leader and majority leader, that they will try to get to it in the next 45 days? >> well, i would say i

personally support increased funding to ukraine. but the members that i represent, 67% of them support increased funding for ukraine. but this entire shut down debacle, though, it's a travesty at best, but honestly, the pathetic 45-day extension here that was brokered is bigger than the ukraine funding. at the end of the day, politicians whose personal political agendas are superseding what is best for our country. that is, i'm glad that we figured out a way to not tough the government shutdown today, but that is really the travesty that's happened here. i hope that we could still continue to find a way to support not only our ukrainian partners, but more than anything else, find a way to make sure we are supporting the people who are trying to defeat russia. but at the end of the day, what's happening in washington, d. c. , right now should, i don't

know. i think it's a sad day for us. >> yeah, no doubt a sad day. i think people who have been watching this unfold say that we should not have ever been in this situation. there was an agreement in place. we knew this was going to happen. and gets, it was held up by extremists within the republican caucus who absolutely were demanding these cuts take place. but just expand on what you are saying and how you see this being a product of politicians putting their own self interests above that of the

country? what specifically do you mean by that? >>. >> i mean, how many of these lawmakers, especially the small faction, are really trying to get -- done? right? at the end of the day, they are sent there by their constituents to not only represent them, but their interests, and to make sure that they are doing right by the american people. unfortunately, you know, there, is a large swath, like i said, it is not just the american people, we asked our membership, 67% of our veteran members support funding in ukraine. there should have been a way, a, path to get a variety of different pieces of funding in

a government appropriations bill and to have our government funded. that could include pegging our troops. that could include paying a four swath of veteran benefits, excuse me, and that could also include funding for ukraine. but unfortunately, we are what we are, and it sounds like 45 days from, that we will be in the situation again. >> let me ask you specifically about the funding. i mean how worried are you that this 45-day gap will impact what happens on the ground in ukraine? or, do you, think just from your vantage, point that this 45-day window without any specific funding is insurmountable, certainly something that can be overcome if, at the end of those 45 days, congress moves quickly to resume aid to ukraine? >> well, i don't think this is specific to this conflict. i mean, across the government, we are opting for uncertainty. and that is not a good thing for america, but also, it has national security implications. not just for our country, but, also for ukraine. and i think we have to think about big picture, to, is you know, i served two tours in iraq. i care very deeply about my friends were still serving today. i don't want to see them having to go fight russia someday. so, our inability to continue to strategically support ukraine here is a big problem, and to even be able to have the tools, both diplomatically and from a >> coming up, tonight's

chaos could've been avoided if republicans focus more on the shutdown and less on impeachment. we'll tell you about that. we'll tell you about that.

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have spent the last days and weeks finding a solution to avoid a government shutdown. instead, they obsess over the impeachment of president biden. on thursday, the gop-led house oversight committee held their first impeachment inquiry, which went so badly for republicans that one gop lawmaker called to a quote, unmitigated disaster. a house republican aide said house oversight chairman james comer and staff, quote, botched this. let's bring back my panel, kirk odell, --, and mike villa rosa. michael, how badly did republican screw this? up you would think in the run on to a government shutdown, everything the republicans would be doing on capitol hill would have been to avoid this precise moment and instead, they spent our energy, the governments resources, and time putting forward an expert who

undermined their very own argument about why there should be an impeachment inquiry? >> yeah, it was about six hours of comic relief. it started the night before, when the ways and means committee could not answer questions about the, quote, evidence, that he himself was laying out. and it was pretty bothered by it from the questions that he received from ryan nobles. but what i would say is, you know, i worked in nancy pelosi's office when we started the impeachment of president trump. the impeachment inquiry into 2019, even after we resisted many calls to impeach him, following the mueller report, which is pretty damaging itself. when we did start an inquiry, we did it behind closed doors, and we made sure that we were able to depose witnesses that would, you know, lead to credible and tangible evidence, which only did we have, only did we have that was when we started to formalize the

inquiry process and the public process that you saw, starting in november of 2019. but prior to doing that, prior to public hearings, we had 17 fact witnesses testify. and 17, all 17 of those witnesses worked for donald trump and could testify that a crime was committed. and they were firsthand witnesses. so, that was something that at least this first hearing lacked any of. >> kurt, to michael's point, this is not the way it was supposed to be done, and the someone who has worked on the house oversight committee before as a spokesperson for republicans, you have to be a, i guess, i don't want to say you have to be shot, but you certainly have to be surprised by how unprepared comer and

these republicans were, compared to what we saw actually right they did the most basic fundamental facts they couldn't even answer, and as i mentioned, their star witness, the witness that was supposed to be their centerpiece into why they are having this impeachment inquiry, said, i don't see anything that would rise to the evidence of an impeachment. >> yeah. all due respect to my former colleagues at the house oversight committee, let me tell you. this was an egregious example of professional malpractice here. you know, there's a rule when it comes to oversight committee hearings. you never put a witness up who you don't already know in advance how they are going to answer your questions. when you are in the majority, ask you get to orchestrate and time out the entire hearing and the entire proceeding. you should know going into that hearing every single line of inquiry that you're going to pursue and already know what those answers are going to be. for this committee, for the republicans on the committee and comer to put forward their star witness and end up having him be the guy that admits what we all already know, there is no threshold for impeachment here, there is no evidence to

support impeachment, there is no evidence directly linking president biden to anything criminal at all. that is the gop star witness conceding that! this is one of the biggest so buckles i have ever seen from an oversight committee on either side of the aisle, and right, >> all right, jennifer, how bad is this going to come back and bite republicans over the next that republican congress should be asking themselves, couple of months, as the campaigns and elections heats up? i mean, democrats would have to be politically dumb not to

capitalize on this split screen, the fact that we were running and barreling towards a government shutdown, and instead, republicans were out they are doing whatever they were trying to do with that impeachment inquiry, which was a complete disaster fiasco for them. >> i'm sure it's going to come back to bite them you know where more than once. over 50%, 56 or 60% of the american people believe that this impeachment, this approach to impeachment, should not be taking place. it should be abandoned. because, they are watching and they see the same thing. you know, that we see as well. and what really concerns me is what the republicans are doing here is weaponizing the impeachment process in america. which is so destructive to democracy. it really, genuinely concerns me about degree to which this has the potential to further undermine the confidence of the american people in their leaders and in the institutions that support democracy. it's another enormous, i was

going to mistake, but that's not even the right word. it's another enormous cost to our democracy that is the fault of speaker mccarthy. this is what it costs for him to get the speakership. he has treated his ambition and his political greed in a manner that is a significantly doing damage to the american democracy. >> michael keurig, jennifer, meet arexvy. ( ♪♪ ) the first fda-approved rsv vaccine. arexvy is used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. arexvy is proven to be over 82% effective in preventing lower respiratory disease from rsv and over 94% effective in those with these health conditions.

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michael larosa, and jennifer. horton, for all start with. you likelihood that we see matt gaetz go after kevin mccarthy in the next couple of days and try to vacate? >> well, there is no question

you are going to see matt gaetz go after kevin mccarthy nonstop for as long as he's in congress. whether or not he'll, you know, act on vacating that quickly, i don't know. matt gaetz has to worry about coming out feeling like a loser, you, know in that sort of exchange himself. he wants to run for governor in florida. this whole thing with gaetz, you know, people should remember with matt gaetz as awful as he really is, he is probably more awful than you think. his issues with kevin mccarthy have nothing to do with a difference in policy or something. he has a deep, visceral, personal hatred for speaker mccarthy. so, you're going to hear from

him. he's not going to stop, but i'm not convinced he is going to act that quickly. >> the person who perhaps wanted this government shutdown or than anyone who was donald trump. he said so quite clearly in his social media truth post, you should not be forgotten in this calculation. certainly, we're talking about matt gaetz, we're talking about marjorie taylor greene, kevin mccarthy, but donald trump, actually, wanted the republicans to shut down the government, perhaps for his own benefit of cutting funding from the prosecution of him in both florida, as well as in d. c. . this was a setback for him today and the fact that he is losing control over kevin mccarthy and his party. >> yeah, i think one of the interesting fallout from this would be how donald trump, as well as the other republicans running for the republican nomination of president, how they react for this. what do they say? what does tim scott say, who, for some reason, couldn't be bothered to show up and actually do his job today and cast a vote in that state

senate, one of the most consequential days of the year. but what this desantis say? what does mike pence say? what does donald trump say? and if trump goes after mccarthy, that could open the door a little bit further for whether or not that motion to vacate has any real substance to it. i don't think it's in that for matt gaetz to be unhappy and go after mccarthy. he's going to need some cover. he's going to need other republicans to have permission from their leader, donald trump, to really go after and do that. it's also why i expect republicans in the house to lean in very hard on impeachment to try to play that misdirection game and spilled favor and curry with trump and the base. >> michael, your thoughts on both of those dynamics, whether or not matt gaetz goes after kevin mccarthy, or as kevin mccarthy outplayed matt gaetz, at least in this rounds? knowing he has the backing of democrats, if he takes this more bipartisan and more moderate approach through the spending bill? >> i think mccarthy's in a losing position. either way, and especially, the next battle him and gaetz will have will be over impeachment. if mccarthy even moves on impeachment, he has 18 vulnerable members from biden districts, 12 of whom lost, i'm

sorry, 12 of whom won by less than five points. mccarthy will lose his speakership if he goes through with impeachment, and he will likely lose it from motion to vacate if he doesn't go through with it. i don't see how the speaker makes it through the year. >> jennifer, your thoughts on that? do you agree with that assessment, politically speaking, that kevin mccarthy, eight, this is his speakership for the end of the year, but more importantly, this is going to be a political poison pill for the republicans, who doubled down on impeachment, perhaps, going to go forward even with it more now that kevin mccarthy isn't battle? and this split screen we saw this week? >> yeah, absolutely. i absolutely agree with that. kevin mccarthy loses no matter what. there is no path forward for him. and frankly, everything you see happening right now with the vote tonight, with the push

towards impeachment, mccarthy has just blown the whole thing up. he bears full responsibility, and all of that is going to hurt them next year at election. you know, again, the american people are watching us. so far, there is no argument to be made that these republicans should be reelected. >> all right, jennifer horn, kurt bardella, mike de la rosa, we greatly appreciate you staying with us for the entirety of this hour tonight. thank you. stay tuned, we still have a special ten pm hour of ayman covering the breaking news of the night. we're going to squeeze in a quick break and come back, don't go anywhere.

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