laphonza butler, being sworn in by vice president harris in the capitol. she was appointed to replace the late dianne feinstein. she was formerly serving as president of emily's list. she's the first openly lgbtq person to represent california in the senate and the first black woman to serve i the senate since kamala harris left for the white house. be sure to catch the katie phang show weekends right here on msnbc. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight with an historic moment. something that has never happened in the u.s. house of representatives in 234 years of american history.

here is how it all went down. >> the yeas are 216. the nays are 210. the resolution is adopted. without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. the office of speaker of the house of the united states house of representatives is hereby declared vacant. >> and i just want you all to be clear. this was a catastrophe of kevin mccarthy's own making. it was kevin mccarthy and no one else who after saying this after the january 6th insurrection -- >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. accept his share of responsibility.

>> got on a plane, flew to florida, and crawled on his knees to mar-a-lago to kiss trump's ring and sell his soul to the maga king. he did that. all in pursuit of the precious, the speaker's gavel. which he held for just nine chaotic, pointless months, in which he routinely lied on tv about who was creating the chaos, blaming democrats instead of his own fringe. made the occasional deal with democrats and president biden only to routinely break them. while allowing trump and putin's little helpers in his party like marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert and paul gosar and jim jordan to run wild, wasting your taxpayer dollars pursuing hunter biden and investigating gas stoves and drag shows. while surrendering his own dignity and the dignity of the house by letting this junior birdman walk him like a dog. >> kevin mccarthy is the speaker

of the house of representatives, and he has failed to take a stand where it matters. so if he won't, i will. let's get our act together. let's get on with it. let's vacate the chair, and let's get a better speaker. >> now, that florida man, matt gaetz, has outtrumped trump himself, making good on his threat to call for a vote vacating the speaker's office as punishment for kevin's disobedience and making history by dethroning donald trump and marjorie taylor greene's hand-picked speaker. talk about the student, a trash talking, nonlegislative, grifting tv politician trumping the teacher. and in the process, matt gaetz has successfully ignited a war between the maga wing and the ultra maga wing. >> there's a second group, small group, honestly, they're willing to plunge this body into chaos and this country into

uncertainty for reasons that only they really understand. >> mr. speaker, my friend from oklahoma says that my colleagues and i who don't support kevin mccarthy would plunge the house and the country into chaos. chaos is speaker mccarthy. chaos is somebody who we cannot trust with their word. >> he has kept his word. i think we should keep him as speaker. >> it's hard to make the argument that oversight is the reason to continue when it looks like failure theater. >> this republican majority has exceeded all expectations. >> if this house of representatives has exceeded all expectations, then we definitely need higher expectations. >> and yes, to be clear, the kevin mccarthy/matt gaetz story and the trump story on which we have a lot to get to tonight, are the same story. because every member of the republican party who wants to be anything in the republican party

has survived, even thrived, by becoming donald trump. they're all either versions of him, like matt gaetz is, or completely subservient to him, like kevin mccarthy, and ready to reap the consequences when he turns on them. there is nothing left, nothing left, in republicanism but that. just those two choices. become the menace or serve the menace. joining me now is nbc news correspondent ali vitali on capitol hill. ali, i know it's been a long and weird day. but let's get some updates here. so kevin mccarthy is no longer the speaker. does he have any plans to try to become speaker again? and run again? >> reporter: no, and that's new. no, that's new in just the last few minutes from my sources and some of my colleagues' sources

up here that mccarthy leaving the meeting where you see a steady trickle of republican lawmakers also leaving now, that he told his colleagues in a very short huddle, he would not put himself up for speaker again. we now expect to hear from the former speaker mccarthy, talking to reporters in just the next half hour or so. i imagine we'll hear more of his mind set of what led him to this point. but i have to tell you, most of the republicans that i have seen leaving this conference have been dejected, many of them have said this is an embarrassing moment for their party. and the reality is, there is a lot of frustration for republicans with the handful of their colleagues who voted to oust the speaker. the first time in history that that has happened. now, we have a speaker pro tem, someone temporarily in that role. one moment, joy. sir, what was it like to hear speaker mccarthy say he wouldn't run again? we're live right now? >> i was surprised a little bit.

i just thought -- i figured he would try to stick it out again, but i think he made the wise decision. >> thank you so much. congressman bircht, one of those republicans who voted to oust mccarthy and said some of the conversations he had with mccarthy in the last 24 hours or so made him vote against. he could have had his mind changed, he said, but the way mccarthy spoke to him made it so he felt he couldn't support him again for speaker. this is a conference that's now grappling with what a post-mccarthy reality looks like. i'm not sure they know where they're going next. maybe mccarthy will shed some light on that. i think there's just really mass confusion here as republicans adjourn for the night and wait to see what happens next. >> wow, what a day. what a time to be alive. ali vitali, great reporting today. thank you very much. let's bring in democratic congressman eric swalwell of

california. as well as former rnc chair michael steele. he is an msnbc political analyst. thank you both for being here. wow, wow, and wow. i'm going to go to you first, congressman swalwell, just for your reaction. the democrats sat a little smirkally watching all of this happen because this wasn't y'all's problem, this was the other side's problem. what did you make of what happened today and the fact kevin mccarthy will not subject himself to another 15-round vote to try to become speaker again? >> it's tragic for america, joy. over the past three years, i have witnessed in the congress just too many first times, and they're bad first times. you know, first insurrection, first time a speaker degraded himself so long to get the job, and then first time that a speaker is removed. and it's bad for the country because the failures, these are the republicans that they keep putting upon the country, are

like crabs in a bucket. and they're trying to pull the rest of the country into the chaos that they crave. and i just keep telling myself during these different moments from the insurrection to today, this is not happening. this is not america's exceptionalism. you see now that the republicans have the majority, they have the majority, but they're an opposition party. they're opposed to themselves. the takeaway for me is, america is a corvette. you can never give these guys the keys to the corvette. it's too good of a country to let them drive it or ever be in charge. >> let me ask you this, because there was some reporting that leader hakeem jeffries, who could have saved kevin mccarthy if he had decided to whip in favor of retaining him, in the end, decided, we're not going to help this guy. he went on tv and lied and said it was democrats who nearly shut the country down and were responsible for the near

shutdown. even though it was democrats who actually saved the country from a shutdown. he wasn't honest about that. there was a sense at least from reporting that people were angry that rather than be thankful that democrats were trying to work with him, he stabbed them in the back, so he lost all the good will. was there a point at which kevin mccarthy could have made a different decision and maybe been saved and maybe had some democrats vote to retain him? >> yes. kevin mccarthy had always put his own job first and the country last. and then you saw that with the debt ceiling, where the democrats delivered the majority of the votes. you saw that with keeping the government open this weekend where we delivered the majority of the votes. and when i went into the caucus meeting where we had to sort it out, what i saw was a number of members who said you can't trust this guy. you can't trust him for one second to keep his word. and so why don't we use, as speaker pelosi would use, our diversity is our strength, but our unity is our power.

why don't we use our unity as power and leverage. so the next funding bill, we don't have to negotiate with the crazies. our unity can leverage the public sentiment to get us to the right outcome. and that right outcome, i think you're going to continue to see it led by democrats. >> you know, michael steele, i have had a lot of these conversations lately where people go, why can't democrats get things done? then i reexplain to them again that republicans control the united states house of representatives. and this is what that control looks like. speaker pelosi had literally the same margin in terms of the numbers of members that she had. nothing like this ever happened to her. and yet, the last three republican speakers, kevin mccarthy now joins paul ryan and john boehner in being incapable of controlling a caucus with this narrow of a margin and in their case, they had wider margins and they both had to leave in humiliation and quit because they can't control their

own caucus. this man lost three additional people who voted to oust him, kevin mccarthy, who initially voted for him as speaker. he got eight votes against him. so he actually surpassed the number of people who voted against him last time. he lost support as speaker. they can't do anything, nor can they even keep the government open without firing their speaker. how does one even argue that it is worth giving republicans any power at all when this is the mess they have created of the last nine months? >> so, let me correct the record. it's not three speakers of the house, it's four. you forgot newt gingrich, the first one they ran out. so we have now watched republican majorities eviscerate four speakers of the house. which speaks to their inability to govern, because they have no governing philosophy. and because of the allowance of

factions within their own caucus to dominate the narrative and the debate. i agree with my friend congressman swalwell about the backdrop of all of this. what i am also aware of is that the country voted for this. we can't not take that and set it aside. the country had a choice to hand this majority, knowing all of the crazy, bat you know what crazy that was fomenting inside the party, they handed them the majority. because they were outdone purportedly or supposedly with what the democrats were going to do, oh, i guess, roads and bridges and things like that mattered less. and they voted for this. here is the concern. don't walk away from this, joy, thinking they won't hand it back to them in 2024. and this is going to be the

challenge and the opportunity for democrats over the next 13 months. is to make the case of what this leadership choice is, right, because you have folks right now, joy, just the last point, you have folks right now blaming democrats for ousting kevin mccarthy. and i'm like, wait a minute. did i miss the 15 votes it took kevin mccarthy to convince his republicans who had the majority to make him speaker? did i miss what he did with that speakership when he said to matt gaetz, oh, we will no longer require 20 votes in the house to vacate the chair. we'll give the power to one member only. i don't remember the democrats calling for the vacating of the chair. so you know, we've got to get the narratives correct here, and the democrats need to get in front of this because you're getting blamed right now for ousting the speaker of the house. >> it's hilarious that first of

all kevin mccarthy did not earn the support of democrats. there's no reason for democrats to support him. he's stabbing them in the back. i will correct one record. i rarely get a chance to correct my friend michael steele on this. the american people didn't hand the house back to republicans. they used an illegal map in florida to force their way back in with an illegal map, a gerrymandering in florida, a stupid gerrymandering in new york that was their own -- of their own making, and the fact you had illegal maps in places like tennessee that are fighting to the last dog died to try -- i'm just saying, they gerrymandered their way back in. >> i got you. i got you. i understand that. but you go and explain that to voters out in the midwest. you go and explain that to some of the congressmen's voters in his district. that ain't how people see it. what they saw was, i went to the polls and i voted for x.

and as an outcome, the republicans have power. and so democrats need -- i get what you said there, and i agree with you. i know how that played out. but the politics is a different conversation. and the political conversation is, the country handed republicans the power. the democrats now have to make the political counterargument as to why they cannot, a, be trusted with the power, and b they need to take that power away from them in 2024. you can talk about bad elections elsewhere around the country and you can talk about what republicans may or may not have done at a polling place. the reality of it is you have to put it in a succinct enough sound bite that people understand it. >> i'm going to give the congressman the last word and let him do that and make that case because indeed, the nrcc is attempting to blame democrats for this. i watched the vote go down. clearly, matt gaetz pulled the trigger.

he took out the gun and it was his decision. and eight republicans went along with it. there was no reason for democrats to help. this is how it went down. your thoughts. >> michael is right, we need people to know, republicans are at war with themselves and we're working for working people. and so we're the party that gets things done. choose competence over chaos, choose community over corruption. choose keeping your kids safe in their school and building a bridge in your community and making sure that women have reproductive rights over, as i said, a party with no philosophy, no principles that just craves the chaos. we have to make that clear. we have about 13 months to do it. and i'm convinced we have a case to make. >> i mean, it's either checks, bridges, and wi-fi or foolishness. it's either women control their own boies or these jokers control your body. do you want these people controlling your body? because this is how that looks. they can't even control congress. there you go.

congressman eric swalwell, this was quite a day, and michael steele, thank you, my friend. up next on "the reidout," breaking news from donald trump's civil fraud trial. the judge has said enough is enough. placing a gag order on trump after he posted a vicious online attack against the judge's law clerk. "the reidout" continues after this. ues after this

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mccarthy was not the only republican facing the back of the hand today. donald trump earned a smack down from the judge during the second day of his new york civil fraud trial, with the judge doing something no other judge has been willing to do so far. and that is to slap a gag order on trump. it came after trump attacked judge arthur engoron's law clerk in social media while sitting in the courtroom. that included trump blasting the

clerk's personal social media account information to his millions of followers. following a nearly hour-long delay, an angry judge engoron made clear that personal attacks on his staff were unacceptab and would not be tolerated. he added that any further violation of this order would lead to swift and meaningful sanctions and order trump to delete the post, which he did. only after which the trial resumed. of course, trump's dangerous actions should come as no surprise. he has been relentlessly attacking the judge and new york attorney general letitia james as well as anyone else related to this legal cases frk but in this case, we're seeing the twice impeached, four times indicted former president who is facing a potentially devastating loss in this trial falling back on his overused tattered playbook which he's used for years, sometimes nearly verbatim. >> this is a rigged court. >> it's a rigged election.

>> this is called election interference. >> it's democrats, they're trying to rig this election. >> this is election interference. this guy is a highly partisan person. and we can't let this stuff happen. >> this will be in my opinion the most corrupt election in the history of our country. and we cannot let this happen. >> you see what's going on. it's a rigged deal. >> you know what's going on. it's a rigged deal. >> i think this is a disgrace to our country. >> i think it's a disgrace to our country. >> joining me now is msnbc legal analyst lisa reuben who was in the courtroom today. along with andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel, msnbc legal analyst, and cohost of the prosecuting donald trump podcast. and david k. johnston, distinguished visiting lecturer as syracuse university college of law and who has been reporting on trump's financial situation for decades. lisa, i'm going to go to you first.

please tell us about the atmosphere in the court. there was that long delay during which apparently trump was tweeting and getting in a lot of trouble for it. tell us how that all went down. >> today was a calmer day in court than yesterday was overall. many fewer members of the media there. and generally speaking, the tone was different because we saw donald bender who was trump's former accountant on the stand for most of the day, because he's a former accountant and because they were talking about the statements of financial condition, that testimony was sometimes dry. but the day changed dramatically when that social media post was apparently brought to judge arthur engoron's attention, and as you noted, there were a bunch of different breaks when we first broke for lunch, trump and his lawyers and letitia james and her lawyers were brought back into the courtroom and all of the media present were not allowed back in. it was a sealed courtroom for a private conference. that happened again later today when we were supposed to resume the trial for, as you noted,

about 45 minutes. that's when judge engoron retook the stand and made clear in front of everyone present, consider this statement to be a gag order. and then proceeded to say that none of the parties are permitted to talk about any member of his staff, whether publicly, over email, or over social media. as i said to our colleague, nicolle wallace, earlier today, hell hath no fury bike a judge whose staff has been messed with. there's no person who a judge is perhaps more protective is his staff, and given there's no jury here to terrorize, that post about the judge's law clerk was one step way too far for judge arthur engoron today. >> lisa reuben, thank you very much. we love having your eyes and years in the courtroom. let me go to you, andrew, on this. we know now that the post that we're not going to show because we don't want to further traumatize this woman. this law clerk, i believe it's a

woman, donald trump tweeted her social media, sending his many, many millions of followers after her, giving them direct access to her, and made all sorts of really lascivious claims about her by name. he is already threatening, we have got all this news here that trump has been ramping up his violent rhetoric against the prosecutors, the judges. no one has come at him yet. this judge, who has to have security, has to be escorted home by security, and driven to the courthouse by security because of the threats, he finally said enough. what do you make of that? >> let's just put this in context, joy. you have all of the judges except judge cannon have been threatened by donald trump and people who respond to his words. you have the prosecutors, you have witnesses, you have mark milley, a war hero, being

threatened. this for many people is a day that took far too long to come. the thing that i think any judge overseeing one of the four criminal cases that donald trump faces have to be incredibly concerned about is violence, and violence actually occurring. people have already been arrested for threatening the d.c. judge who oversees his d.c. case, and this has taken a lot for the judges to react because they're concerned about due process for the defendant. but that bending over backwards comes at considerable risk to all of the people in the process who are just doing their job. and so it's a difficult situation for the judges. but we're dealing with a situation that is so highly volatile and a person who is so

highly volatile who has followers who are willing to act on his words. and we have seen that over and over again, starting with january 6th. but seeing it now, so i think it's good that this happened, but i think that we're going to see what judge chutkan does on october 16th when there's another motion that is to have further restrictions placed on him because he's out on bail. >> yeah, david k. johnston, he has a cult, to put it bluntly. and you are the person who apprised me of all his mob connections during the growth of this business in new york. he acts like a mob boss. at some point, the judges are going to have to treat him like a mob boss, no, because his cult, some have them have already threatened to get violent. >> mob bosses don't do what donald is doing in public, if they want to get somebody out of the way, they'll do it, but they don't do it by publicly announcing it. i think it's very clear here

that donald is trying to provoke a judge in the hope that they will make an error into locking him up by going after people who are irrelevant to the circumstances before him. the clerk in this case has nothing to do with these issues. general milley is not going to be intimidated by donald's threats. he was a valorous infantryman, but a clerk in the court? so i think donald will keep probing and testing to see if some judge will remand him, will lose his cool, and somehow create an opening for donald legally or politically. >> the other thing i think he's doing, i think you're on to something, david, and andrew, i want to talk to you about this. donald trump has been saying something that is patently untrue, he's being denied a jury trial. i'm going to put up the form that the attorney general tish james and her office filed. there's a little tick, if you all can see that on your screen, a little tick that we have

yellowed out that says trial without jury, meaning you're going to go to a trial before a judge. at a certain point, he and his lawyers and alina habba, his attorney, could have also ticked that box and demanded a jury trial, right? this is not normally a jury trial type of case, but they could have asked for one. my understanding is they had about 15 days after the filing they could have asked for it. they never did. the fact that they didn't demand or try to litigate having a jury trial, the fact that they're trying to, again, play with the public's consciousness by saying they're denied a jury trial is also insidious and also a call to violence in its own way. your thoughts. >> i think donald's lawyers or any reasonable lawyer would think seriously about having a jury in manhattan given donald's attacks on people in manhattan. this may have been a mistake by one of donald's lawyers who have proven not to be very good, but it could have been a deliberate strategic decision to have a bench trial.

>> andrew, your thoughts on that? he could have demanded one, right? >> yeah, look, there's no question that this is not on tish james and her staff. they could have -- trump could have asked for a jury. it's unclear whether he is legally entitled to it because of the nature of the case, but he certainly could have litigated it, any person who really wanted a jury would have asked for one and would have come up with legal arguments. he certainly has made tenuous legal arguments before. this is one where, look, it's a bald faced misstatement, shall we say, for him to claim that it's anything other than his own doing. so he has decided he's going to have the judge decide this, and then he also decided that he's going to attack the judge who is deciding it, which makes it very clear that he doesn't think that he has the facts or the law on his side, and that's why he's doing this.

because he's playing not to the courtroom and what's going on in the courtroom where law and facts matter. and you can tell the judge, in spite of how the defendant is behaving, trying to make sure he is accorded all of the rights because of the rule of law in this country. but it is remarkable that that is the situation with somebody who is the former president of the united states. >> it's breathtaking to think that people allow him to be that. and you know, yeah. i'm going to leave it there. andrew weissmann, david k. johnston, thank you both. coming up, former trump chief of staff john kelly confirms reporting trump considers members of the military to be suckers and sees dead and wounded service members as losers. back in a second.

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you may remember a sickening and shocking insight into donald trump's view of those who sack viced their lives to serve our country in the military. the atlantic reported in 2020 that trump who got a street nondeferment for bone spurs and said surviving stds was his vietnam called u.s. troops losers and those who died in battle suckers for getting killed. we now have confirmation of those disgusting comments from someone who was there. trump's former white house chief of staff, john kelly. in a statement to cnn, kelly slammed trump saying, quote, what can i add that has not already been said. a person that thinks those who

defend their country in uniform or are shot down or seriously woubded in combat or spend years being tortured are suckers because there's nothing in it for them. a person who did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because it doesn't look good for me, and rants that those who gave their lives for amica's defense are losers and wouldn't visit their graves in france. his statement ends by sayg trump is, quote, a person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our constitution, and the rule of law. there's nothing more that can be said, god help us. joining us is paul ricough, host of the independent americans podcast. paul, thank you very much for being here. i'm going to allow you to give us your shocked face that kelly confirms it's all true. >> yeah, i mean, about time. we needed to hear from kelly years ago, but we're finally hearing from him now. i think the bigger issue here,

joy, is it's all about national security. i think whether we're talking about matt gaetz and what's happening in congress or trump's attacks on our military leaders. there's two parts, you have the national security piece which can't wait until the next election, and then you have the election, where people are trying to make sure that trump isn't re-elected. i think the national security piece is what's most pressing. you have general milley who is speaking out in an unprecedentsed way. now you have general kelly speaking out. i hope we hear mattis and mcmaster and others do the same. frankly, we need this to be stopped. there's a national security risk. he's threatening people out in the open, attacking our military, and it's part of a larger coordinated attack that includes the radicals in congress who are undermining our national security. they're defunding our military, blocking our generals, and it can't wait until next november. so i'm glad that kelly is finally speaking out. and he could be uniquely effective with the people who are influenceable with nment americans and others. i hope this is a dam breaking and the rest of the generals will follow and pour it on.

>> i'm glad you mentioned mark milley who i think is heroic in a way i don't believe about kelly. they both represent something that happened in trump's term, the way military people were sucked into the maga universe and the way they were used the way milley was with the upside down bible march, and kelly, the guy who slagged a black woman congresswoman from florida, lied about her, refused to take it back, after trump insulted the family of a dead u.s. military member, who was killed in niger. he did that. so he was a bad guy during, and was down with him, served two positions in the administration. is it extra important that someone like him, who was part of the problem, starts to speak out and not just people like milley who actually were quite heroic in defending us from trump. >> yes, because they have the most tea to spill. they know his true character, how many times they had to stand up behind closed doors and stop

him from doing crazy stuff. i think they could influence moderate republicans, independents, get people to break this dam, especially on the national security issue. i keep coming back to it. chaos is our new normal. whether it's donald trump or matt gaetz, they want chaos. that is the goal. they're like political suicide bombers. they're ideologues, radicals, extremists and they're okay with bringing it all down. that's also putin's goal. our enemies are celebrating this. our institutions are weakened, our allies are weakened. the question for democrats is what are you going to do about it now? we can't wait until november. how can you deal with this? tommy tuberville is an example we have talked about before. what are you going to do about it? all the democrats out there and the republicans. why hasn't a single one of you called for him to be expelled. they're talking about santos, menendez, but what about the guy who is undermining our national

security every day. we're all looking for people in washington, not just to whine and complain, but take action. what can you do right now to protect our national security and protect our troops and national defense. >> i'm glad you mentioned tuberville. let's play mark kelly, the senator from arizona taking him apart, and he is indeed a veteran. take a look. >> nobody more military up here than me. >> as far as i can tell, there is at least four of us, maybe more, that served in the united states military. in some cases for decades. and at least three combat veterans. so i take great exception to what senator tuberville had to say. and i have heard him say it before. and it just doesn't make any sense. >> democrats did manage to force him to stand down on some of our senior leadership, getting votes up or down in the united states senate. he still voted against cq brown

because he said he didn't like the fact he wants diversity in the military, so he's still at it. >> and ten other radical republicans in the senate voted with him on that. what mark kelly is saying ismese like him and tammy duckworth can punch back. i think they have to go further. they have to call for tuberville to be removed from the senate. get him out. work within the confines of insenate, whether to expel him, censure him, because every day we wait, our national security is weakened. i think now the question is can they push it forward, can they take action that will result in making us safer? >> that is a good question. and we're going to talk more about on the gaetz side, they may be trying to do that to him. paul, always a pleasure. thank you very much. we'll be right back. ht back.

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my ability to fight is just in a different form. you need 218. unfortunately, 4% of oufr conference can join all the democrats and dock kate who could be the republican speaker in this house. i don't think that rule is good for the institution, but apparently i'm the only one. i believe i can continue to fight, maybe in a different manner. i will not run for speaker again. i'll have the conference pick

somebody else. i hope you realize that every day i did the job, regardless whether you underestimated me or not, i wanted to do it with a smile. >> moments ago, kevin mccarthy, who was ousted today as speaker, by the rules that he agreed to, and by his republican caucus, confirmed he will not try to win back the speakership. surprise. nbc news correspondent ali vitali is back with me from capitol hill. what have you got? >> there were a lot of questions i had, joy, going into this. specifically if mccarthy would explain why he wasn't putting his name forward. it seems this is a man who has lost faith in the institution --at i at least push to its breaking point. there is so much mistrust and distress between the parties right now, in large part, stemming from january six but also because every action of bipartisanship has been met with polarization and talking

points on capitol hill and other spaces, when it is all said and done. for mccarthy, there were a few bits of hard news that i heard, around for a simple, that he has not thought about his future in congress. he does not know if you continue serving in the building, this not know if he will anoint a successor or their support behind some bone, but he was thankful to the roughly 200 republican members, the majority of his conference, who continue to stand behind him this by repeated attacks and motion to vacate threats from this conservative right-wing and his flank. i do think though it all comes full circle. it all comes full circle, joy, because one of the things that he is continuing to do is blame democrats for not saving him, even as recently as this weekend, during the shutdown. they helped him avoid a government shutdown, and he went on television and said that democrats are trying to block a shutdown, when that is not what happened at all. >> this is partly why there is

no goodwill there. >> thank you for saying that, that is what i was going to ask you. there is no trust. it's not cable news. he went on cbs broadcast news and tried to say it was democrats shutting down the government. you had one job, man don't stab democrats and the back and blamed nancy pelosi, who is at a funeral. if she is powerful enough to take you off from a funeral, she should be the speaker, not you. don't try to play democrats. >> i just think it's important for us, we also need to point out, mccarthy regularly reminded us that the tight margins and difficulty of the job. yes, that is true. nancy pelosi similarly had these tight margins in her caucus, and she never had this problem. >> she had not similar, the same. she had the same majority that he had, but she knew what she was doing. and hockey brought all of his people together because he knows what he is doing. you know who didn't, speaker mccarthy, that's what he's our

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books. we are not advocating for banning anything. what we're talking about is securing content in the library. >> this idea of a book ban in florida, how they don't want books in libraries, that is a hoax. >> families concerns about books in school is not book banning. >> you come here and say censorship is bad. of course, it's bad, but the obvious response is, okay, you heard the books that we're talking about. >> to put it bluntly, books are not being banned, and it's good that they are. >> wow, republicans love to have their cake and also eat it,

banning books and straight-up denying that that is what they are doing. despite their protests to the contrary, book bans have escalating and a horrifying pace. more than 3000 books were banned and the paschal year a 33% increase in the previous ar and nearly 4000 books have been challenged in labor so far this year. joining me now is the honorary chair of banned books week, levar burton, who many of us remember from reading rainbow and other fun thinks, including star trek, the next generation. we begin with you. 15-time emmy winner, also has a grammy, peabody at seven and see double ap awards. thank you for being here, mister levar burton. i would like to let you respond to republicans being so concerned that people hate book bans and are trying to say that they are not banned. >> you know what, the disingenuous nature of those sound bites that we just saw

it's not stunning or surprising to me, because this is what they do. and the thing being left out of the conversation is the idea that we want age appropriate books indiana's of our kids. look, i say all the time, every book is not for everybody, but there is somebody for every book, and if you want to take a book out of circulation because of its lgbtq content or because it represents slavery as the institution that it was, then, you need to, as the oaf folks used to say, you might need to sit in a corner and contemplate why you think that way for a minute or more. >> absolutely. this is where the book bans have happened. to be clear, they are not just targeting school libraries. now they are targeting library,

libraries. where is many of us grew up. public libraries, and in some cases, it's 11 people in the state of florida who are responsible for nearly all of the book banning request. and florida is responsible of 40% of the book bans. so it's a small number of people saying that no child of any age should read these books at all anywhere. >> and that is the thing. it's one thing if you want to monitor and have sway over what is that your child consumes literature wise. you do not have the right to take the right to read away from other kits. it's silly. we have to resist so that they don't get to do what it is that they are trying to do, which is force an agenda on us. they accused us of having an agenda with diversity and inclusion. this agenda is about censorship and mean-spiritedness and

control over others, and we are not having it. >> talk about what banned books week will entail. what is the organization looking to do? >> on the seventh, we are having a free to read day. the idea is to bring attention to the issue. we are having this conversation in our country about who we are to be as a nation, ban books and such practices are and internal part of that conversation. so awareness, we want you to know that there are things that you can do. you can as a parent get involved with your child's reading at the school level. you can support that school library, support the teachers trying to do their jobs. you can support writers and publishers and booksellers. you can buy banned books.

there are a myriad of ways in which you can participate and be counted, stand up and be counted. the most important thing is resist. don't go for the -- joy, is my message. resist, resist, resist. >> a man. i love hearing that, especially from you, because for a lot of us, you were a person who was a guide for a lot of us who loved books and loved to read. i would say that librarians have been my favorite people. they are awesome. we need to support them. they don't get eight enough to help them get through what they are going through. by a small number of people. levar burton, you are the best. thank you, thank you, thank you, you are the perfect person to kick off the banned books week. tears. all in with chris hayes starts now. all in with chris hayes starts >> tonight on all in -- >> the office of speaker of the house of the united states