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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," a power vacuum after kevin mccarthy broke too many promises to both sides of the aisle. >> the office of speaker of the house of the united states house of representatives is hereby declared vacant. >> the first time in u.s. history, the speaker of the house is ousted from his leadership post by his own party. >> i will not run for speaker again. i might have been given a bad break, but i truly still consider myself to be the luckiest man on the face of the earth. >> with a small group of hard right republicans determined to fire mccarthy and his insults against democrats, no one would come to his rescue. >> we heard speaker mccarthy say that he wanted us to bring it on. i guess we did. kevin mccarthy is a feature of the swamp. >> who can bring the fractured republicans together to take the gavel? how will congress avoid a

shutdown in a little over a month from now? i will speak to democratic congress member alyssa slotkin slotkin. the judge in donald trump's civil trial issuing a limited gag order after he attacked the court clerk on social media and in comments to reporters. ♪♪ good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. the house members have gone home for a week with the lower house paralyzed after ousting kevin mccarthy as speaker. the race for speaker is on. house republican leader steve scalise is trying to lock in support. coming up on the inside is the firebrand judiciary chair, jim jordan, who announced he is nng. eight republicans joined democrats to vote mccarthy out. the former speaker addressed reporters afterwards.

>> this country is too great for small visions of those eight. 96% of your conference, but eight people can partner with the whole other side. how do you govern? you know matt gaetz. it all was about getting attention from you. >> mccarthy was counting on democrats to rescue him. democrats were outraged after they voted with him to keep the government open, he went on "face the nation" and blamed them for the close call. >> i wasn't sure it was going to pass. the democrats tried to do everything they cannot to let it pass. >> in a sharp departure, in the first act, republicans kicked former speaker pelosi and ex-majority leader hoyer out of their offices. changing the locks when pelosi

was in san francisco for feinstein's services. joining me now is garrett haake. another historic first. how did mccarthy lose this vote? who wants this job? we know already that steve scalise and jim jordan do. who really wants it and can get it? >> reporter: i think mccarthy lost this vote because of an accumulation of broken promises going back over some time, not just promises to these far right members. i would add he disputes all of this. but also promises to nancy mace who appeared among the eight, who i don't think anyone would describe as a far right member, but felt like mccarthy backed away from his word too many times with her, including to turn back on his word to democrats or to be untrustworthy to democrats. that was the last opportunity he had to save himself here would have been with democratic votes. after the conference meeting yesterday, democrats came out totally united that mccarthy was untrustworthy not just because of what he said sunday, throwing them under the bus for the near shutdown, but back to his

handling of january 6 and his courtship of donald trump immediately afterwards. the fact that he undercut a commission that he himself had asked to be negotiated to investigate that. all of it was too much for democrats to come to his aid. because of the rule package he was forced to agree to to become speaker, that tiny faction was able to throw him out. as forho might be next, we talked abouthe two front candidates thus as far as. steve s starts with a deep well of support. jim jordan, t co-founder of the house freedom caucus. had been a cse mccarthy ally in this congress. they would come in with siificant constituencies here. i don't think they are on a e path to 218 either. there's a lot of republicans who may not feel well represent by either of those two men. i think there's a huge open question about what the rules will look like. i had one house republican, a

more institutionalist member allied with kevin mccarthy tell me this morning, if you don't change the rules that got us to this point, you are just changing the driver of the clown car, not actually allowing the house to move forward. they are back to take this up in ernest middle of next week. i would be surprised if anybody takes this vote on a glide path. >> garrett, a good point, that january 6 had a lot do with it. he almost single handedly rehabilitated donald trump going down to mar-a-lago. thanks so much. joining us now, fred upton and brendan buck. congressman fred upton, how we got here -- garrett laid it out. a series of broken promises to both sides. any democrats, institutionalists who would have wanted to save it

at the last moment saying, we have the shutdown coming, 40 whatever days from now, let's have somebody in the chair, at least he made a commitment, but at that point after watching the "face the nation," she called him on it. how can you blame the democrats? they were with you. >> that was the tipping point up until yesterday morning. most people thought there would be enough democrats, that wouldn't vote for mccarthy but vote to table the resolution to vacate the chair. a lot easier vote for a democrat to a republican and vice versa. when that fell apart -- it started with blaming the democrats on "face the nation." you saw hakeem's speech saturday. this is in your dna. he had a diatribe for nearly an hour. it went on and on and on. that momentum just was a crescendo at their conference yesterday morning. not a single democrat voted to

table the resolution. it was over. at 10:00 yesterday morning, we knew what was going to happen when the vote occurred 4:00. he dug his own grave to a degree in terms of the shovel he kept giving to the freedom caucus. >> he really enabled them during the 15 rounds and then broke promises to both sides. but by permitting one person to make that motion, that's something that pelosi canceled when she became speaker. >> the second they had to make that concession, this was almost inevitable. at some point, just one member, all it takes, was going to do this. the other promises that he made at that time. a lot of promises he knew he couldn't keep. promising spending limits that he knew he couldn't keep. the job is to make fantasies turn into reality. it's going to catch up with you. i don't know he could have gotten the job if he didn't make

some of the promises, which is the problem going forward. the next speaker will have to eat all the same promises that kevin mccarthy made. then they will ask for more promises that are not realistic either. i would love to tell you we are at a crossroads and we will go in a different direction. i have no evidence of that. i think it will be more dysfunction. the next speaker will be weaker than kevin mccarthy. >> one of the promises was he would take up all 12 spending bills independently with an open rule. he tried to do that. there's 200 amendments filed. at the end of the day, they didn't have the votes to pass the bill. kevin was left with nothing. even last week, they ag appropriation bill failed again in september because he couldn't get the votes from the freedom caucus guys to fulfill the promise that he made in january. it was a no win situation. >> nancy pelosi had action narrow a margin.

everyone was saying with the squad and all the other groups that she was never going to hold them together. somehow she managed to hold them together. >> if you remember, the big issues, particularly that biden won in first two years, the chips act, the infrastructure bill, they have relied on -- there were enough republicans among us on infrastructure, particularly when we changed it and you saw the senate get 70 some votes for it, the same thing with the chips act. todd young was a leader to get that done and saved the auto industry. i can remember going to the auto show last year and i got a bear hug. thanks for getting the chips act done. it was essential for the auto industry. it was a bipartisan effort. the leader -- our leadership opposed it because they said you will get a better bill in the next congress. that would not have happened in this congress. >> brendan, the texas republican delegation, the largest

republican delegation in the house, and very diverse in terms of ideology, they are meeting right now. the candidates are lining up to go in. steve scalise was seen going in. >> we haven't had a big leadership race like this in quite some time. leadership races are much different than any other kind of politics. they are personal. it's member to member. we will talk about donald trump coming in and endorsing. i don't think that matters. it's the relationships people have had for a long time. there are grievances. there's rivalries that maybe you don't realize exist that can shape these things. remember, this happens in a secret ballot behind closed doors. if there's a wild card nature to this -- this is all just getting started. we have two candidates but it wouldn't surprise me if we had more, if we have a close race. it's unclear going to the floor if somebody has the votes. you can be assured some of these far right members are going to be making asks that are going to be very difficult for anybody to follow through on.

>> remember, too, that by delaying this vote for a week versus last night or today, it allows the outside groups to weigh in. let's say trump makes an endorsement. all of a sudden, he can garner millions of people to call people that might be members on the fence or whatever. those outside interests have an impact. the phones go bananas. all of a sudden, who knows what happens between now and next wednesday. >> one of the congress members has been speaking about how they should go about choosing their new leader. let's listen. >> we need to be coming together and coalescing around the speaker. i don't think we should do it on the house floor like in january. we looked like a bunch of idiots. those conversations need to be had behind closed doors. have the discussion, then come out. >> not another 15 rounds. >> he is right on. the house republicans looked

awful. 14, 15 rounds. they talked about me. >> we saw matt gaetz holding out to the last minute and kevin mccarthy basically going up -- across the chamber and pleading with him. let me ask you about the retaliatory action that was taken within an hour or so, taking away the ceremonial rooms of nancy pelosi. speakers need offices in the capitol. i think pelosi let john boehner -- >> boehner left. hastert. >> and let paul ryan keep offices. she did not take the rooms away and did that in the past. >> boehner and ryan were gone immediately after they left the speakership. they didn't need any space. i will confess an unpopular opinion. i don't have any problem with mchenry taking away office space from nancy pelosi. they basically worked with matt

gaetz to construct a coup of the republican leadership. >> they changed the locks while she was in san francisco and couldn't -- >> i don't think that when you participate in a coup of the republican leadership that you should expect any professional courtesy at this point. i think collegiality goes out the door. i have no problem with that. >> you will be back to talk about reprisals. fred, thank you very much. >> thanks. coming up, the tipping point. we will get the inside story why democrats turned their backs against kevin mccarthy. alyssa slotkin joining us next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds on msnbc.

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mccarthy as speaker saying they simply did not trust him. it was not their job to save him. congresswoman slotkin joins me now. thanks so much for being with us. holding the caucus together was a big test for hakeem jeffries. nancy pelosi reportedly told him, don't bail out mccarthy. how did it play behind the scenes? what was the tipping point for you? >> i think the most important thing -- kevin mccarthy has been the first person to say this. he didn't come to democrats wanting to make a deal. he didn't come to us with any proposals. he didn't ask for our help. folks who have -- those of us who have close relationships with some on the other side were waiting for him to deal. that's not where he was. i think the idea that this is somehow the democrats who should have bailed him out when he didn't come with a deal, i don't know one person on their side who would have done that. there wasn't really a tipping

point. i think for many of us, it came down to, can we trust him? if he says he is going to do x, y and z, can we trust him? do we think he wants to govern. we had a massive trust deficit there. >> how much of that was the way he behaved in the recent days and weeks regarding the spending, going back on the deal from july, the debt ceiling, as well as the last 48 hours? >> yeah. i think certainly going back on the deal. but then he finally did bring a continuing resolution to the floor. but more democrats voted to keep the government open than the republicans. if i'm speaker of the house and pass a bill for the good of the country, i wouldn't turn around and blame democrats for the situation that he was in. i think that, to me, just demonstrated character more than anything. i know that whoever will be the

next speaker of the house on the republican side won't be someone who i will agree with on a lot of things. just tell it to us straight. if you want us, or need our help to pass a bill, let's talk about that and have a conversation. then don't turn around and slap the people who just helped to pass legislation. >> was the impeachment also part of it? >> i heard a lot of people -- for me, january 6. we are sitting at a building that was largely taken over by people who came in with an armed insurrection. he was one of the first people who said this is unacceptable. we need an inquiry. we need to do something about this. two weeks later he spent the next year ting to cozy up to the man who incited that insurrection. that's a character issue for me. i think if he had just said, look, i disagree and we're going to play straight on this, it would have been a different conversation. there are republicans on the other side of the aisle who i think would have handled that

differently. >> mccarthy says nancy pelosi promised to support him if he faced a challenge. now within an hour or so she's losing her capitol office. is this petty retribution or do republicans have a point, they need the space? >> i think it' pettiness. i think it's not really that important to the american people. obviously, it was out of anger. there's a lot of things being said and done out of anger right now. i think it's good that people took a break, went home, let cooler heads prevail so that we can get through, get a new speaker and get on to keeping the government open and doing the government's business. >> you are losing time. you have only got 42 days left. the uaw strike isn'tsettled. you have your home in michigan, of course, which is a huge issue. you are a former pentagon official, the ukraine funding is critical. >> yeah. i think the uaw conversation is separate and will continue on a separate track.

the ukraine funding, keeping the government open and after november 17th are real issues. we are waiting to see what comes out on a new speaker. they are having meetings, you are reporting on. that's a positive thing so we can get through this. also, washington works on deadlines. my hope is that the threat of a deadline keeps this process moving. >> congresswoman slotkin, thank you very much. right now at city hall in san francisco, people are paying their respects to the late senator dianne feinstein. she passed away thursday at the age of 90. before coming to washington, she was the mayor of san francisco. moments ago, nancy pelosi along with her husband paul came to pay their respects to their

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now that kevin mccarthy is out as speaker, what does it mean for congress' ability to get anything done, including avoiding a government shutdown or proviing military aid to ukraine? joining me now is republican congressman anthony desposito of new york. what is your reaction to matt gaetz's motion to vacate which led to the ouster of kevin mccarthy? >> thanks for having me. it's been very clear my thoughts on matt gaetz. i think he is an egotistical maniac. yesterday was about a personal vendetta. he carried out a personal problem with kevin mccarthy. >> former speaker newt gingrich

wrote an op-ed that matt gaetz should be expelled from the house republican conference. what do you think? >> i think that he should be held accountable. there should be repercussions for his actions. what he did is reprehensible. he has taken -- last saturday we came together in a bipartisan fashion. it wasn't what everybody wanted but we came together to extend the -- we had a 45-day cr to get our country back on track and keep our government open. we were working to get appropriation bills on the floor this week, next week. now that stalled. it stalled because an ego maniac in matt gaetz took out personal issues. now we have to deal with over the next week going to conference, finding new leadership, finding a new speaker, electing one and then getting back to the people's business. for me, this is not what the people of the 4th congressional

district sent me here to do. they sent me here to govern, but matt gaetz is getting in my way. >> you represent long island. you are a former policeman. how is this going to affect your people and your political future if there's a government shutdown? >> the people back home understand i'm working as hard as i can. i made it clear i will work with anyone and everyone in order to continue to keep this government open. i made it very clear that back home, new yorkers, long islanders are my priority. i'm going to govern with them. i would explore and exhaust every option, as i did last week, to keep this government open. now we need to move swiftly. we need to find a speaker of the him o her. the clocks ticking. i think there's 40 days left. there's a lotf work to be do >> you have jim jordan and steve

scalise declared candidates. who else in thethem? do you have someone you think could be elected? >> i think we will see. right now, like i said, the next few days is a time to decompress. we will have candidates come out and tell the conference that they are interested in taking these positions. i look forward to speaking with all of them. i look forward to hearing their vision. i also look forward to hearing how we're going to change our institution so that a maniac like matt gaetz can't do what he did in the future. >> do you think you should change the house rule that one member can do a motion to vacate? >> absolutely. after what we have seen yesterday, this is not a partisan issue. it's not about an individual. it's not a republican issue. it's not a democrat issue. what happened yesterday is literally going to put the american government to a halt until we find a speaker. that should never happen again at the hands of one lunatic. >> thank you very much, congressman.

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publically or post on social issue. the judge issuing a partial gag order after trump attacks the law clerk. the judge saying he will not tolerate the attacks. joining me is paul butler. this judge is running the show. he went where the other judges have not so far. we will have a hearing in the federal case here on that proposal, her limited gag order. why did the judge react this way to these attacks against his law clerk, both in person to the reporters yesterday as well as on social media? >> judges are extremely protective of their staff. the judge was willing to put up with trump's personal attacks on him, like when trump called the judge a deranged democrat who is trying to take away his property. he crossed the line when he put her photo on social media. the judge had two concerns.

one is the privacy of his staff. mainly, their safety. last week, jack smith in the january 6 federal case said that trump's violent rhetoric could get someone hurt or killed. >> by the way, the defense has filed their appeal of the summary judgement where he found him guilty of fraud basically. this is the penalty phase of the trial. >> that's right. last week, the judge, based on the evidence that trump submitted -- the trump organization's own documents, there was no issue of fact about whether fraud had been committed. the judge said that what trump said went so far beyond reality that it had to be an intentional lie. for example, when he said that his new york property was three times the size that it actually is. >> how unusual is it to see the defendant in a case, civil or criminal, coming out of the

courtroom and right there in the hallway, you know, haranguing the judge and yesterday the clerk, right there? >> it's unusual. it's so dumb. the judge isn't going to decide this case -- >> is that a legal term, dumb? >> in this case, i think it's the most apt. the judge isn't going to decide the case based on whether he likes donald trump. he is going to decide the case based on the rule of law. the judge is aware that trump is going to appeal, as he just did. >> paul butler, thank you very much. >> always a pleasure. >> appreciate it. uncharted territory.ccarthy how do lawmakers govern? ousted, how do ylawmakers govern

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they have to get it right. can they? not only do they have to agree on a speaker, they have to confront the rule that allowed kevin mccarthy to be fired on a motion from only one rebel. joining me now, robert gibbs, carl house and brendan buck. carl, you have covered congress for decades. you have written about the chaos, the paralysis. impossible to pull this group of republicans together. >> it seems that way so far. you talked about the rule change. kevin mccarthy last night was very adamant that needs to be changed. he was undone by eight people, really. it's a really difficult situation. it does look like it's shaping up to be a real leadership race. they're going to have to sell themselves. this is going to be a serious thing. i just came from the capitol. there's a lot of growing worry up there. okay, the clock is ticking on

our spending bills. the house is out for a week with no leader. we don't know when they will get another one. how is this going to play out? how is the new speaker going to be able to corral the same people that undid the old speaker? >> not if the new speaker has to go 15 rounds and make concessions along the way. >> i don't see how a new speaker is any better position was kevin mccarthy was in. you could argue, a worse position. when kevin mccarthy won the 15 rounds, he had a six-month honeymoon where he could build up political capital. the next speaker will go into the meat grinder. we will have five weeks at the soonest to fund the government again, do deals with democrats, all of the things that was a firing offense f kevin mccarthy is in the lap of the next speaker. i ege them toe clear there will have to be compromises. maybe use this as an excuse to

pass another cr and give yourself more time to fund the government. the next person is going to have -- all of the promises that kevin mccarthy did but he is also going to walk into a buzz saw from day one. >> democrats are in no mood to compromise on anything right now. >> they are not. quite frankly, they shouldn't be. the only way to govern in the house is to do what they -- do what republicans had to do saturday, which is reach out to democrats to pass the basic functions of government. we saw, based on the vote friday, republicans couldn't even get significant spending cuts and increases at the border through their own caucus, let alone through the entire house. the only way do this is to do this with a broader coalition. whether republicans come to that understanding now, whether they come to it in a week or whether they come to it at the edge of the 45-day window on the

spending deal, we will have to see. right now, i agree with what's been said. there's no real avenue unless they change their behavior and start doing things differently. whether that causes somebody to also lose their job is up for debate inside the republican conference. >> what about the so-called hastert rule? if you compromise with democrats and more democrats than republicans voting for something, you are in trouble with the fringe. >> the majority of the majority is the hastert rule. that's coming into play on ukraine funding. here is the problem to me. the house republicans, the most conservative ones, just think they have more leverage than they do. the senate is democratic. actually, the senate democrats and republicans are aligned on spending. the president, obviously, is a democrat. any solution has to be bipartisan. that's just the way it's going to work. you do have a significant group of people in the house

republican conference who just don't want to be bipartisan. they think they can get their way. the alignment just didn't work that way right now. >> we are a better party as a minority. the governing reality of being a majority don't suit a lot of our members. being a minority, you can fight. you can be against things. you can play political games. you can do a little of that in the majority, but you have to pass things. so many of our folks aren't interested in doing that. you talked earlier about nancy pelosi being able to work with a four-seat majority. we're a different party. they are more interested in governing. that's less fun for our members. >> robert gibbs, your comment? pelosi did have that small margin and she held them together, all of them. >> the difference in leadership. brendan proposed something i know how democrats would take him up on, moving republicans to the minority and letting them go

to the floor, request a minute and fight on whatever color they think the sky is. i have a feeling voters at home are watching this and in 2024 will take brendan up on his suggesti in the house. >> politics aside, robert, this was a big test for hakeem jeffries. he passed it with flying colors. not a single democrat faltered. >> yeah. the caucus was united. i think a lot had to do with the fact that there was no trust with speaker mccarthy. playing the tape from sunday of going on the sunday shows and saying the democrats wanted the government shut down was just the last straw in this. go back to january 6, go back to the impeachment inquiry. there's a long line of things that democrats didn't like about speaker mccarthy and didn't trust about him. >> in fact, carl, you wrote for

mr. mccarthy, who practiced a management style of doing saying whatever it would take to get through the day, tomorrow finally arrived. >> yeah. the way kevin mccarthy worked is, day by day by day. i knew how difficult this was. he kept stacking up the promises and the pledges. it finally came home to roost. i am a little surprised by the republicans in how much they are blaming the democrats for this. as robert said, that thing sunday just really destroyed any chance mccarthy had of getting democratic help. i don't know what else that mccarthy and the republicans expected. they are already taking revenge on the hill. >> indeed. >> taking office space away, i guess. >> carl, pleasure to have you here. brendan, as well. robert, always good to see you. a big day on capitol hill and days to come.

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appropriations budget and foreign relations committees among others, so you've got everything in front of you, senator. so what is all the drama around mccarthy's removal mean for getting a spending bill passed and all the other policy fights and of course ukraine? >> well, certainly right now our focus is on the supplemental for ukraine and the 12 spending bills. the senate has set a pretty good bipartisan example here. all those bills came out of our appropriation committees with bipartisan support, most of them unanimously including the most difficult, the interior bill. now we have to get those through the full senate, line them up, and if the house is completely dysfunctional, hopefully the reaction will be, well, we can't get our act together, so let's just approve the senate bills and make sure the government stays open and that we have a bipartisan vision in place for the coming year. >> but you need the house to act on your senate bills to keep government open, so you can't do

it by yourselves. >> yeah, so that -- i know. that's why i said the hope is the house will pick up the bipartisan vision from the senate, and there's no guarantee of that. but what we saw, what we had kept saying was that we're going to need bipartisanship in the house to get these done and on the stopgap continuing resolution, just as we had in the senate, and in the end, that's exactly the story. kevin mccarthy had handcuffed himself to the maga extremists and that was not a functional ability to govern, and so eventually he had to break tat handcuff and say we'll put up essentially the senate bill to pass with two big changes, an increase in disaster aid, great but pulling out the aid for ukraine, and that was really a tragic that he did that. but let's understand that aid to

ukraine was not in the deal made three months earlier between the president and the leadership of the house and senate. the plan was to do that by supplemental, now we're going to go forward. we have to get the funding for ukraine done. there is no alternative to that. >> senator sherrod brown and some of your other colleagues have also written a letter urging senate and house leaders and the appropriations committee to immediately advance that legislation. the house position was that it would only be done, if it is done, with border money as well. white house seems open to that. are you? >> well, there's border security money and border policy, and both need to be improved, but it's part of a broader immigration discussion that will take place. to get anything done in the senate, you have to have democrats and republicans, but let me focus on ukraine for a moment. i have been shocked that a

number of republican senators have wanted to wash their hands supporting the ukrainian people. that would be a historic mistake of enormous magnitude. ukrainians are fighting for freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and free to have a representative form of government to determine their own future against the dictatorship style and authoritarianship style of russia. they are paying with their lives. and they're asking us to help with our treasury. we have been and must continue. to do anything else is really a munich moment, if we recall history when chamberlain went to munich and agreed with hitler they could take a big piece of slovakia, and hitler and the germans went on to drive world war ii, take all they could. and we cannot allow a democracy to yield to a russian autocracy,

if we believe in championing democracy around the world. we cannot let that happen, and i think a majority of republicans in the senate, certainly every single democrat believe in the vision of standing shoulder to shoulder with the people of ukraine. so there's not a choice. we have to pass that support. >> in just the brief moment we have left, nbc news has learned that the u.s. this week transferred more than a million rounds of munitions seized from iran to ukraine, which could help with the critical shortages that kyiv is facing. do you support that? >> yes, these are -- what these are are a million bullets. they're bullets for kosh na cough assault rifles, fully supported. it's not a substitute for anything. it doesn't substitute for arctic ri rounds or air defense or tanking or armored personnel carriers or anything else. these million bullets will do more good in ukrainian hands than they will sitting in a

warehouse somewhere. >> senator jeff merkley, we really appreciate you coming to us today. >> good to be here,hank you. >> that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. could one of the republican party's most prominent verbal bomb throwers end up calling the shots as the next speaker. jim jordan fresh off leading a scorched earth impeachment inquiry into the president says he wants the job. he may be one of a half dozen who could run. plus, the man matt gaetz could be a step closer to losing his own. some fellow republicans now want him gone. former