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>> breaking news in the israel
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hamas conflict. nbc news has now learned that several u.s. citizens are among those dead in israel. that is according to a national security council spokesperson the nsc says they are continuing to monitor the situation closely. the state department is ready to provide assistance and u.s. citizen still the country. that confirmation comes as retaliatory airstrikes continue to hammer gaza city. turning several residential buildings into rubble. some are living close to the israeli border. they began to flee the israeli ground invasion. it could be imminent. the situation escalated on sunday. an ally of hamas aspiring dozens of rockets and shells in a disputed area along the border. the military responded by firing back into lebanon. there is no immediate word on casualties adding to the dire
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state of affairs the uncertainty surrounding those being held captive israel has confirmed that they've taken both military and non military as well as captive into the territory. israeli media says that numbers at least 100 and includes women and children an elderly now u.s. officials say they're looking into reports that americans may be among those as well. they have confirmed reports of unaccounted u.s. citizen in israel but cannot confirm that they're being held by hamas at this moment. here's where things stand at this. r d said israel of than 700 people are now confirmed dead. re injured. that is according to officials there. paneath tolls at 424 with more than 2300 injured that is according to the palestinian health ministry in the last few hours we have learned more details about that horrifying attack in a musical
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festival on the gaza israel border. on saturday morning strength of the sky. they stormed the festival confided attendees killing 260 people killing two and nays really non governmental rescue recovery organization. as the hours ticked by many are still frantically trying to find their family and friends jonathan says 23 year old son was at the festival and has been missing since last message read i love you and i'm sorry. we are crossing live to our reporters, vowed to joins us from just across israel's border and neighboring jordan. matt bradley and berry, lebanon. we are watching both of those countries very closely. we're getting a lay of the land. ali, i'll start with you. we want our yesterday morning as the story was developing. it is now entering its third
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day. obviously, the diplomatic efforts are intensifying what more can you tell us about what's taking place behind the scenes to ascertain as much information as possible about who is inside gaza and if there is any way to secure their release. ? >> four in the morning and i have about a couple of hours of quiet which is unusual in the last census broken out. no indication that there's anything meaningful going on in terms of negotiations. hamas has said they're holding them and they are going to have to release all the palestinian prisoners held in israel. that's not likely to happen without an intense an ongoing negotiation. there are no ongoing negotiations between hamas and israeli government this is a uniquely right-wing israeli government. netanyahu has built his reputation on a tough hand with the palestinians and it's a uniquely hard-line government
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of gaza. the elected government of gaza does not enjoy relationships with the government of israel. however hamas does have relationships with iran and their indications that iran played some role in the planning of this attack because it does seem to have be beyond what hamas capabilities were. hamas does enjoy relished with qatar which the united states says as well. we now today anthony blinken spoke to the prime minister of qatar. >> so there is some sense of an effort to bring the temperature down on this but the israeli official response is a declaration of war and that gaza is going to get pulverized. the only thing bringing them back from being pulverized there's rocket attacks of what they believe to be hamas installations of government offices. what does israel do about those
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hostages. but they are in gaza israeli soldiers are not in gaza. as you know you spent a lot of time and guys it is a densely populated area. it would be like one of those densely populated cities that you've ever been in trying to have warfare in those places to rescue these captive. that is a very complicated endeavor. they've sent troops and columns and armor to the border of gaza but they have not entered guys at the moment they're still around the outskirts of gaza but at the moment we are in a stalemate must lobs more rockets and israel one landed in southern while it landed at the airport and one has landed in tel aviv. but at the moment there are no further developments in the last few hours. >> do we know what it is that the cabinet has declared war? what mobilization does that make available for the israeli government now that they've declared. this a lot of people know what
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happens regularly in the west bank cc israeli military constantly operating. there are airstrikes that happen all the time in the gaza strip. what changes now that they have officially declared a state of war. it's an astute question because it is a technical declaration which allows the prime minister the power to make certain decisions and deployments although getting federal approval from parliament. it's also in the wake of ten months of struggle in israel about how much this prime minister half. this is been benjamins netanyahu's calling card. he has a hard liner. for much of his tenure as being a hard liner with iran but it's always been a hard liner with the palestinians in the west bank. very different relationship because we do have a relationship with the positive authority in the west bank but not a formal relationship with gaza. so attention as been with israel on the west bank over the last year.
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that's what the surprise was. hamas has said this is in retaliation for all of that that has been going on in the west bank. because it hasn't otherwise been involved in that. it allows the prime minister to mobilize forces as we've seen heading toward gaza and engage in a full scale war that asking for further permission or authority to do so. matt the big news today. it's a question a lot of intelligence agencies are trying to answer as we figure out exactly how this massive intelligence failure played out. what extent was iran involved in the planning execution in decision-making around this assault. there's obviously a lot of history. they provide them us know how. the central question is, what exactly did iran know about this specific attack and did they actually play an active role in the decision-making to
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launch it? >> that's the big question right now because we're trying to see just how far this whole thing spread throughout the middle east. that'll answer the question of how it all metastasized over the days and weeks. on whether israel is going to be pointing its guns beyond the border to places like iran are like where i am in lebanon. we just saw that reporting that article landed a couple of hours ago and really said that they finally gave the greenlight as recently as last monday during meetings that are held right here, where i am in beirut. and involves several different players throughout the region, all backed by iran. pasta nick islamic jihad. i spoke to the leader, his base here in beirut. this is before the article came out. he said there was no
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coordination with the run. everyone was surprised by this. particularly, the ferocity of this. iran was just a surprises everybody else. that goes against what we heard from the wall street journal article. the united states came out and said that they didn't hear anything about and the iranian development. folks in the pentagon in israel -- where they simply cheerleading on the sidelines? that will mean a lot when it comes to deciding how israel is going to retaliate, and whether or not this is going to be a region of conflict, or between the gaza strip. >> given the israeli and intelligence. i think a lot of people buy now would detect some communication and intelligence. more specifically, let me ask
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you about something that has been discussed more inside israel. that has to do with the response of the arab world. there's been disappointment of officials and diplomats that the countries in the arab world in israel, egypt morocco, jordan. and a country that they were on the verge of making peace with. they have not come out in the way that they would've expected. wide scale condemnation of hamas, and mohsen lee. they put the blame solely on the shoulders of israel, for what has happened now. >> yeah, in many ways you could say that israel's disappointed. but a lot of ways air countries have not come out on equivocally in favor of the palestinians either. so, there is a change here. a massive shift. it's a different from previous
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assaults. back 20 years ago, this is a moment where it might be like the old hamas we're used to. the middle east has changed a lot. a lot of air people no longer have the appetite to continue and sustain at attack against israel. sacrifice or own lives and livelihood, and wakanda me to continue their war footing against israel. a lot of these states are recognizing israel diplomatically or in the process of basically striking distance of recognizing israel. if saudi arabia were to recognize israel that would be an extraordinary region wide shift. a lot of analysis is focused and discussion in the pentagon. wondering whether not the abraham accords cemented the medic deals between the arab world. will this continue, threaten them or might actually accelerate them given the
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images and the discussing images of violence we've been seeing. a lot of these states might say they're more on the side with israel than they were before. but again this is speculation we don't know how this is going to play in the wider arab world. but i can tell you here in lebanon ice to live here. he used to live here i believe he spent a lot of time on lebanon's countries and what it used to be. its support isn't what it used to be. a lot of folks don't want their country in a constant state of war with israel. they've sacrificed so much in fighting against israel and supporting hospital here in their quarters. they may not be the appetite for them to once again reach an all-out war located back in 2006. and i just coughed this country needs people so much so even though they're supporting the palestinians there's a lot of solidarity. folks edmonton into here. they really don't want to be fighting against israel. they don't want to see the rest
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of the region piling on behind hamas. there just isn't that kind of appetite. people here in lebanon are poor and getting poor. if you look behind me there used to be lights all the time all night long. when i drive around the seats it's dark. there is an energy and there isn't money to fund a lot of electricity here. the city in this country is a shadow of its former self. so on hamas chose this very moment to launch this comprehensive attack against israel. it might find itself a little bit lonely or than before. >> my friends thank you to the both of you. it's greatly appreciated staying up late for us. we'll talk to get in our next hour. coming up the u.s. is making military moves to better support israel, or does that actually look like? >> congresswoman sits on the foreign affairs committee she. joins me next right here. don't go anywhere. where. ugh, i'll deal with this tomorrow. you won't.
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defense reportto the ally. defense secretary told andc. news with the u.s. military is mong an aircraft carrier strike group and military group oser to israel as a show of suppt. they also begin supplying israel with new mission and supplies immediately. joining me now is sidney of california. she is a member of the house of foreign affairs. congresswoman thank you so much
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for making time for us today. . i think perhaps a big news today is that we're learning as well that americans were among the victims in the attack in israel. we are now learning that there's possibly a number or a number of americans also taken captive inside gaza how does that effect of change america's response to the situation? >> well, first i have to say this has been a horrific terrorist attack by militants who do not believe that israel has the right to exist. i represent a very vocal and politically diverse jewish community. they're all standing in solidarity with israel and its right to exist and defend itself, as do i. you never want to have innocent lives lofts you never want to have american lives lost.
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i certainly have been working with the constants office to make sure that all americans that are in israel are registering with the embassy. are sheltering in place so we can identify where they are and help get them out. it is horrible that american lives have been lost is equally devastating to this terrace attack happened. >> do you, right now is the americans way what military support to the israelis. do you have any insight as to whether congress is going to be able to function and get in place right now the resources it needs to be able to get israel. it can't function without a speaker in place in that fall smaller shoulders of republicans to get their act together. are you concerned that what congress is going through politically is now affecting national security in america and its help to its ally. >> absolutely this was the
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wrong time for the republican party to throw a tantrum in congress. we do not have the ability to pass resolutions. we do not have the ability to have supplemental funding for israel and ukraine in any of our other allies. the world is watching waiting to see when we are going to move past this dysfunction. i will say having said all of that, president biden has made calls all of the leaders in the region and pledged unwavering support israel. the foreign affairs committee has been meeting evident briefings all day. we have a classified briefing on tuesday to figure out how we can move forward. obviously will push republicans to get their act together so they can elect a speaker so we can do what we need to in congress. israeli officials has compared to what has happened to israel as its 9/11 moment. obviously what happened to us a 9/11 we saw global reaction the united states created an international coalition to go
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after tear scripts enough ghana stan and elsewhere. do you believe the united states should be getting involved with israel militarily to be part of an israeli led coalition? >> well we've always been involved quite frankly they pledged support each year with the corporation funding for the iron dome. we have said that they are an ally and it's important to recognize that none of this work happens in a silo that their enemies to israel and the united states every weather working together the comparison to 9/11 seems legitimate, but it's not a time to lean in with military support and funding support with diplomatic support. that's why think it's important that the senate moves to confirm our ambassador to israel. as well as a number of other
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which confirmed that she is on this car vehicle. i saw my two daughters as well my mother-in-law. the last 36 hours i'm in a different world. i'm basically not feeling anything but trying to work hard to get my wife and daughters back. this feeling is awful. >> meanwhile in gaza that are growing concerns about the possibility of food stocks being depleted in a prolonged conflict and the israeli power cuts that'll happen the population. the director of human rights watch for the human rights attorney. it is great to both of you with us. and i'd like to start with you. obviously the concern as israel starts to escalate its operations in the gaza strip is
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to track very closely the civilian conditions. the death toll there already surpassing 400. 2300 injured according to health officials there how concerned are you with what comes in the days and weeks ahead as they continue this operation. i'm deeply concerned. we should begin with the fact that what hamas did was blatant war crimes. the massacre at the music festival. the seizing of hostages. there's no justification for this. internationalize that one-sided war crime does not justify war crimes by the other side. so it's essential that the israeli military do everything they can to save civilians as it proceeds with this attack in gaza. netanyahu has been given this morning that they should flee. >> if we wear glasses locked in by israel in egypt. they've nowhere to go. i worry because in 2006 israeli
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mid military gave similar warnings and whoever stayed it just treated them at that point and attacked them. it's important those kinds of war crimes not be replicated in gaza. >> from a legal standpoint we already saw the israeli cabinet announced that it is cutting off the electricity supply. others have called on food supplies that are delivered through israel and gaza to be completely cut off. as ken was saying a popular violation of international law that this is a collective punishment on the 2.2 million palestinians who live there who are not necessarily associated or part of hamas. it's not a possible violation, it's an explicit violation of the fourth geneva convention. so is the blockade that is subject the palestinians and held them prisoners for crimes that they did not commit. we have to remember that what is happening right now is in a greater context of one of the
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greatest crimes against humanity that the international community has sustained through negligence. and instead of trying to end that system has tried to contain palestinians in open air prisons so they can better manage them. what israel is telling the world is saying that we are going to target civilians in order to achieve a military objective. they are stating a terrorist intent and yet because of the racist discourse that frames the question of palestine. the audience hears that and is used to almost primed for palestinian death. so we do not object to it and yet we should object to it. and protests that kind of retaliation as well as agitate for this and if system. >> how does the international community and mechanisms right now they're in place help reduce the tensions.
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quite frankly the united nations is divided and it can't effectively bring in a change. we've seen that in the past in situations like this what if anything can be done to change this dynamic to go over the cliff. >> the international criminal court has jurisdiction. the human rights council has set up this court. there's ongoing scrutiny. it could be criminal liability. but what matters at the stage is what is the message? that israel's closest partners are sending to netanyahu. people are talking about this is israel's 9/11 moment we shouldn't forget the fact the world was with the united states until he used torture and endless detention in guantánamo and then we lost the moral high ground. they've to decide right now that peoples hearts are going how do we help this because of a blatant murder are civilians. but this sympathy could be quickly lost if israeli
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military exact revenge against ordinary civilians who just happen to live in gaza. tonight what legal mechanisms are there to address the situation? the palestinian authority which controls the west bank has obviously not been able to successfully pursue anything in international courts and hamas is not in internationally recognized by the community. we've seen what they've been able to do. a blatant attack violating international law of committing war crimes. at the end of the day what international law is applicable? international law is deeply entrenched with politics it is only a strong as the political will to do something about it. we see responses an international law mechanisms mobilize it here there is no political will. the long zone will do nothing. it will require mass
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mobilization. what this does a shadow very dense status quo that exact war and violence against palestinians every day. a failure of an international community to exercise sanctions to boycott it and isolate it against its regime that has led to this kind of response to hamas. they've had many features that are absolutely legal. the capture of soldiers is meant to negotiate leverage for the release of 5200 palestinian prisoners 1200 of whom are held without charge or trial. 120 of whom are children. this is not merely an irrational action. when that response to the international community and the
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subject palestinians to an untenable status quo. the message here should be the world cannot afford to do that anymore. the harm is far greater to palestinians and opposes harms the entire region. a lot of focus on the intelligence failure that led to this but i think others are questioning the diplomatic failure that is led to this. no political or diplomatic effort to really resolve the underlying issues of the israeli palestinian conflict. do you share that this is borne out of a failure of failed policies towards this issue. i would not say hamas war crimes are justified by anything. i think what you're driving at is that there is been an utter neglect of the palestinians. . that this is just an old issue that's gonna go away so the
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suppose its two state solution. the only people that talk about that or western officials that don't want to address the reality of the party that does exist with unoccupied territory. we have seen the biden administration focusing on the new normalization of saudi arabia. what was offered the palestinians which crumbs. a little bit of land from areas see the area be. nothing that had the oppressive discrimination on the ground. there is enormous frustration and it doesn't justify war crimes. it does explain why there is a feeling of utter neglect by the international community. >> thank you to both of you for helping us make a little bit a sense of this we. appreciate it the hostage crisis that is gripping israel vernon talk about that and more
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attack. he scores a video of militants abducting israeli hostages flooding the internet. and pc news and hamas agents are seen commandeering and military vehicle. taking with them battered and bloodied woman that you see on the screen there. onlookers appear to be cheering on the militants about that video. a group of men can be seen abducting, family members have confirmed their identities and finding the video on telegram. they suggest hamas militants have explain these unprecedented attacks. for more on the timing and why they chose to attack now i'm joined by richard hasse. council on foreign relations. richard it's good to see you. thank you so much i'm sorry it's under the circumstances. but i think a lot of people are trying to make sense of
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possibly now. one theory is that hamas was trying to thwart any effort to normalize relations between israel and saudi arabia. what do you think is you calculate why hamas carried this attack, why they would do it now? >> look, let's take a step back. thomas had a reason for wanting to do the attack. essentially, to demonstrate that they're only the viable resistance israel. that is first and foremost. whether wrong push them to do it now, doing a saudi arabian israel. u.s. support for saudi arabia that is possible as well. but i think this was months in the planning. that and the rest, it's 50
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strategic purpose and the anniversary of the yom kippur war. >> given that it had that strategic purpose, how does it change these calculations by going forward? it had militarily speaking, deterrent capabilities. it created a mutual deterrent between lebanon and israel. is there a way for them to restore what they lost in this round? >> that's a good, question can they restore this of what israel does. and what hamas essentially decides it needs to be deterred. israel would obviously have to strengthen the defensive capabilities as well as barriers. but also i think what is the retribution now? what is the retaliation and how
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does that factor into what hamas does. i don't think it's a long term strategy for success. there's an element to the strategy and i bet you'd agree with me that they have to sideline hamas. it's not their military force but there's better alternative paths for realizing some of the goals of the palestinians. violence is not the answer but diplomacy is it's a long term proposition but it's very hard to eliminate hamas. i do think one could have a strategy of sidelining it over a longer haul. >> you and i've spoken to many officials without hope on the horizon. you are never going to be able to sucked the energy out of the militant group like hamas which recruits and can just replenish itself after years of having israeli military operations
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decapitate senior leaders. militants how do you restore that now? on one hand israeli politics have shifted to the right. you have members of the current israeli government calling out for a full annexation of the west bank. others are calling for more severe actions inside gaza. something has not been seen before. some are saying a complete retaking of the gaza strip. look israel got out of gaza in 2005 because the cost of saying was too high. israeli ground forces in large numbers of gaza. i just don't understand the logic of it so i don't think it's a viable strategy i think restoring this is gonna be the goal but it's gonna be difficult. at some point will have a cease-fire in a hostage for prisoner exchange. question is also can influence the government to stop
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financial support for hamas. it's not just a military strategy, it's an economic strategy. it's a diplomatic strategy as well. and by the, way it's obviously not going to be easy. >> it's not going to be easy and i am wondering if there needs to be a paradigm shift. what is that paradigm shift look like in the way that we have understood the palestinian conflict. we've talked about it in the two state solution. as that no longer a viable option? the presence of the palestinian authority andrea -- is proven to be a ineffective, a corrupt organization unable to bring any kind of good governance in the areas that it does have any kind of influence or control of the palestinians. is it time for a paradigm shift and how we just this issue? >> now, whatever you say about the two state solution. however imperfect, it's the least bad outcome one can imagine. a version of what churchill said about democracy. the problem from israel, it doesn't have a partner now. it's ruled itself out as a
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partner permanently. the palestinian authorities are corrupt. all israel can do is stop taking actions. the prejudice -- and set a motion and policy that would support the emergence of palestinians who -- you've got to see this overtime. i think again, there's no better alternative to the two state solution. if israel wants to remain a jewish democratic states, that enjoys considerable support for the united states, and the west. >> a final question. i asked the congresswoman earlier. a lot have made the comparison, this is israel's 9/11 moment. i think back to after 9/11, the international coalition that was built to go to afghanistan. that question, it was beneficial. ultimately, is israel a need of more international support in going after a group like hamas? not just the sympathy and the
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support it has already received, but actually something more in terms of tactical support, weaponry, intelligence, more capabilities? >> no, israel has the intelligence, the question, is it has to use what it has. i think it will be a day of reckoning. it's got most of the military support. it would be useful if others would cut off any financial support. israel is working with the united states. it has to put into place a long term strategy for encouraging the emergence of a palestinian partner. it is not going to be hamas. it's not going to be this palestinian authority. the short, time it's going to provide security for itself. there is no long term answer to an israeli security. israel's remaining a democratic and your state. other than a two state solution, that's where we are. and that's where we're going to remain. >> right, richard haass, it's always a pleasure, thank you so, much good to see you. >> i've, next my conversation
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near east is sheltering more than 70,000 internally displaced people and 64 schools and all areas in the gaza strip. let's bring into the conversation francesco albanese, the united nations on the occupied palestinian territories. thank you so much for making time for us. can you give us an update on what you are seeing in terms of the humanitarian situation taking place right now inside of gaza? >> thank you for having me. the situation is disastrous. it was already on the verge of catastrophe before the recent escalation. there is new humanitarian crisis unfolding with israel having more housing units and
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infrastructures. rendering the access to the affected civilians as extremely difficult. >> israel has announced cutting off electricity to parts of gaza. they go in from israel into gaza. it comes from egypt as well. there is a decision to cut supplies going into the gaza strip, there's food supplies, there is a concern that there will be a food shortage in the coming weeks if the situation is prolonged. there is that correct. is that assessment correct? >> the situation, yes, this is the information that i have. of course, it's extremely worrisome. humanitarian access, the aid should never be interrupted in a situation like gaza. it has been under blockades. an unlawful blockade for 16 years. yes,, the electricity is
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unavailable for many during the day in gaza. it's going to interrupt the possibility of hospitals to function as they have to. with the rest. yes, this is the same information. this is absurd. it shouldn't happen. >> there's been intense coverage or the past 48 hours or so since the attack inside israel. i know that you through your work as the records are on the ground there, the -- have been documenting the situation that's been happening over the past several months. this year in the previous layer are among the deadliest for palestinians and israelis in recent years. can you describe for viewers what the conditions have been like over the past several months leading up to this moment? >> absolutely. i find situations being
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disastrous. it's the very moment they started, this role as out -- in may of last year. there has been an increase in intensification of violence. yes, last year was already the deadliest year in 20 years. this year, it has been overtaken. there have been 300 palestinians killed without considering their recent killing. the -- and the general context is to be understood. context is what is connecting here. especially since the new government started operating. there has been more violence against palestinians in the west bank and east jerusalem.
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gaza was cut off from the rest of the world. there has been more land confiscation for displacement. there has been an increase of school demolitions. this is the reality that palestinians and your every day. there has been intensification of arbitrary arrests. there are 1000 and 200 palestinians including many children. detained without charge and without trial. considering that they live under military rule. without military trial. the situation is particularly violent. in recent weeks and days, there have been continuous provocations for settlers, illegal settlers acting violently. and all these are under the watch of the army. this is the reality that the palestinians have endured.
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