good to be with you, i'm katy tur. it's 3:00 p.m. in new york city, and 10:00 p.m. in israel where israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu just addressed his nation. >> this is a war that we will win. this war was forced upon us by a terrorist enemy. women, children. the horrors we've not seen for many years. >> prime minister netanyahu and his government are promising quick and painful retaliation, at what cost, hamas says it will begin executing an israeli civilian in return for any new israeli bombing of civilian houses inside gaza without pre-warning. the terror group says it has 130

israeli hostages dragged over the border, either from homes or music festival. by now, you have seen the truly horrific images of families with small kids, grandparents, and young people being paraded through the streets of some of themcansccording to the u.s. state deparent. in a moment, i'll bed by the nfc coordinator of strategic communications, john kirby at the white house. let's get to the reporting. richard engel reporting from the border city this afternoon. >> stay down, down. >> reporter: there has been a lot of incoming fire here. we believe that it is mortar fire. some of them also appear to be rockets. they have been coming in quite close. that is why we are on the ground

right now. >> joining us now from tel-aviv is chief correspondent ali velshi, thank you for being with us. in the time that we've spoken since we last spoke, we've seen a number of counter strikes on gaza, smoke in the air. fires, explosions and whatnot. how does it sound from tel aviv? raf a little bit earlier was hearing nonstop barrages, are you hearing anything there? >> reporter: that's right, yes, about 10, 12 minutes ago, we heard eight what sounded like interceptions, each one successively closer. about this time yesterday is when it was in the heat of the rocket fire that was coming in from gaza. and the planes and helicopters that were dropping bombs on gaza. we did hear a number of jets flying over us. here's the thing, last night, israel said it hit 500 sites, hamas-oriented sites, hamas-related sites, either

operational sites of government sites. hamas put out a statement today to say if any residents are killed or any residences are hit, they will execute one hostage for each time that happens. now, there were civilian casualties last night, in fact, so that has upped the ante, there are of course these hostages in gaza. here's the other problem. there was an incursion in the north of this country from lebanon. that was pushed back today. but that's whe hezbollah opat out of. there is stuff going on in the west bank. two police officers were killed tonight. that's been something that's been going on for about ten months, and it's heating up and there's the situation in the south. so the government has called up 300,000 reservists, which is unheard of in the history of this country, and as you heard, prime minister benjamin netanyahu is saying that the revenge that they will impact on gaza in the coming days will echo for generations. that's what he said. so things are only getting hotter here, katy.

the civil defense authorities here have reminded israelis across the country to store up to three days worth of water and nonperishable goods in the anticipation that this becomes a broader war. and gaza has been besieged, the israelis have said, they will not allow any food, fuel or water into gaza. gaza does not have its own icity generation, it's done by a plant that usesiesel fuel. the diesel comes in largely through israel. they have about three days worth of diesel fuel left. in three days, gaza runs out of fuel. it also runs out of electricity at the same time because that's how they generate their electricity. so there's a lot going on. the united nations says that more than 120,000 gazans are now out of their homes. they don't have a place to live. they're displaced. so everything about the story is getting worse by the hour, katy. >> and the eu has said it's going to halt all of its aid to palestinian development projects, writing that this is

about the european union, the european commission, who are the biggest donor for the palestinian authorities. it's about them figuring out whether any of this money they give them is going to people who are aligned or helpful to hamas. they don't want any of that money going there. ali, the last major war that israel had with gaza, with the palestinians was the six-day war, the yom kippur war. is there any expectation that this is just going to last six days? >> reporter: you know, there are concerns. there's nobody i've talked to in israel who has said this is going to be over in a few days, we're going to be able to take care of it. it can't. what israel has is remarkable fire power. it's kind of interesting because a u.s. strike force of ships is coming in, is here now, to provide air support, but israel doesn't actually need that. it's got no problem with air superiority. there's no air defense in gaza, effectively. the issue here is what do you do

about hamas in gaza. what do you do about the hostages. this is a very densely populated area, and it's unclear how they are going to get those hostages out. there's some discussion that may be qatar is negotiating a deal to release some of the prisoners. but that becomes biggest problem. most israelis understand that this is probably going to get worse before it gets better, and they're not entirely sure how this ends. there's a lot of attention. there are people who say they ever either never felt this way in israel or they certainly haven't felt this way since the six-day war. >> i think it's interesting the prime minister didn't mention the hostages in that speech. when i asked one of the deputies at the israeli mission, or israeli embassy in washington, d.c. about whether a trade would happen, he said it's not the time to talk about that. we'll see if it is actually going on behind the scenes. let me clarify myself, the six-day war was a war between arabs and israelis, israel and egypt and syria, just to be clear. ali velshi, thank you very much. and joining us from beirut,

lebanon, is nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley. give us the latest on what's happening from there and hezbollah. >> we heard hezbollah confirm that four fighters have been killed. a major escalation from before. a couple of hours ago we were talking about one who was killed. yesterday, the day before there was cross border fighting. there were no real deaths or any major injuries. now we're really seeing this escalating very very quickly, and that's very very threatening for the entire region. this would mark the first internationalization of a blistering conflict that has captured the world's attention, and now we're starting to see other actors in play. hezbollah, like hamas is backed by iran. if we start to see lebanon, he has hezbollah and some military groups, we don't know how far this is going to go but this is crossing borders, we don't know whether or not other countries

could be wrought in and whether or not this could turn into a region-wise war. >> matt bradley in lebanon, thank you very much. they cut off the electricity and now the israeli military has ordered a complete siege of the gaza strip, halting deliveries of food, water, fuel, and supplies to the 2 million people living in one of the world's most densely populated areas. the eu is halting aid to palestinian authorities saying the commission wants to make sure none of its funding goes to anyone linked to hamas. joining me is head of palestinian israel program and senior fellow at the arab institute, yusef, and msnbc anchor, ayman mohyeldin. israel didn't see this coming. this was a surprise to american intelligence as well by all accounts, and we're -- it's said to have been a surprise to hamas as well, their ability to execute something on this scale. as you were watching the news come in, what was your reaction as somebody who has a history of

covering this conflict? >> yeah, i would like at it in two ways, and i would look at it in the technical capabilities of hamas and what hamas was able to pull off and surprise everyone in terms of their capabilities, the resources they had, the para gliders, the innovative nature of the attack. it's kind of like, again, since everyone is talking about the 9/11 comparison, our failure to imagine somebody hi jacking an airplane and using it as a missile against our building but having spent time on the ground in the west bank and living in gaza for a couple of years, i was not surprised by the determination of hamas to try to inflict some kind of attack on israel. that is something they have made clear time and time and time again, and it is something that a lot of western officials, israeli officials, certainly israelis who have talked about it, if you decapitate hamas, you go after their spiritual leader, kill the bomb makers, the drone makers, that somehow they're going to lose their resolve, going to lose their desire to carry out this kind of attack,

and that didn't surprise me. >> the severity of it, the close range massacre of civilians, the festival, at a bus stop, inside their homes, the kidnapping of families, young children parading young kids in the street, mocking them as they call out to their mothers. i mean, is there support for that sort of stuff? >> i would say the palestinian body, if you will, and i use that word between palestinians in the west bank and east jerusalem, gaza, refugees, palestinians that live in the united states, they're not monolithic, and i think it would be very reducktive to say do palestinians support this? i don't think any human being who looks at an 8-year-old kid being dragged into gaza is saying, oh, this is exactly what i want. this is exactly what i want my people to be doing. so i think that's not right way to look at it. i don't mean that in the sense that the question is wrong, there's no way to answer that question. it's not easy to say do palestinians support this. i will tell you having spent

time on the ground, palestinians want the international community to care about their children just as much as they care about every other children that is being killed as a result. >> yusef, what is the answer here? israel is going to fight back with a lot of fire and fury, it's going to get really bad for gaza and a lot of the civilians that are in gaza. is there a military solution to this? can israel take out hamas militarily? >> you know, katy, there's no military solution to this. there never has been the last 16 or so israeli military operations in gaza have all claimed that they were going to do the same thing, and we saw in the last several days, the capabilities from gaza are greater than ever. if there was a military solution to this, the strongest military power in the region, and in the world, the united states would have found it already. it doesn't exist. i want us to just sit with a moment, with the depravity of

some of the things we heard from the israeli prime minister and other israeli officials who you've talked to in the last hour or so. you asked an israeli diplomat a little while ago about civilians in gaza and what they intend to do to take care to not kill civilians in gaza. we have seen multiple rounds of this, and usually they are pretty boilerplate israeli answers to those questions. we're going to avoid civilian casualties, we're going to target with precision, we follow the rules of war. you didn't hear any of that this time at all. all he said is we are a nation at war. there is an expectation now from the israelis that the united states and other allies are going to be prepared to back massacres of civilians in the gaza strip. we need to sit with the gravity and urgency of this in this moment. the aircraft carrier that was sent to the region is there to send a message to other players in the region not to get involved no matter what israel

is doing on the ground. look, every time that there is israeli bombardment of gaza, it's civilians that pay the highest price and the israelis are led by a leadership that clearly has demonstrated its incompetence in security and is looking to prove its might and strength and in the words of the israeli prime minister, its vengeance. our government has a responsibility here too, and it's going to be our weapons that are perpetrating these attacks. this is incredibly serious, and if there are responsible leaders on pennsylvania avenue, they should be on the found with everybody in the region, demanding an immediate end to hostilities, not giving this any rope but bringing an end to it now because it will spiral out of control, and once it does, it's very hard, it's very hard to bring anything to a conclusion. >> what do you say to those when they will say back to you, what does israel do in the face of what we have seen with the slaughter we have seen, the hostages being pulled back and the videos and the truly

atrocious stuff that is coming out. i mean, full stop, atrocious stuff. what does israel do in response to that? >> look, there's absolutely nothing easier to do in the united states than to condemn palestinians for violence. but unfortunately if we turn our backs -- >> can we condemn hamas for the violence, not palestinians but hamas? >> we can condemn anyone and everyone for the violence, this is not the issue, but it's how genuine are we in this condemnation, and what i mean by that is if we turn our backs away from the root causes of this violence, the only thing that we are condemning is israelis and palestinians to continued rounds of this time and time again. the easiest thing to do is send statements and send weapons. people are dying. if we are committed to ending -- this didn't start yesterday. hamas didn't declare war on israel yesterday. israel has been at war with the palestinian people for 75 years. unless there's a genuine effort, a real international effort to

bring peace and justice to address the palestinian struggle for freedom, we're not being honest with israelis or palestinians or anyone else when we say we condemn violence because we are sponsoring it and supporting it by ignoring root causes. >> let me ask you what the solution is, if it's not a military solution and has to be a diplomatic solution, how do you find it when your neighbor doesn't believe you have the right to exist? >> which neighbor are you talking about? >> hamas, they're the ones that are in control of gaza. the palestinian authority doesn't have control over gaza, and they're not necessarily that strong in the west bank, so what do you do? who do you negotiate with? how do you find a settled peace that lasts? >> an important question, not enough time in a single hour to answer. it's more important about the principle, the mechanism, here's what i mean by that. the short-term solution is for israel to recover the hostages that have been taken into gaza. >> is that trading prisoners? >> that is a decision israel is going to have to make.

it has to decide what is the value of the israeli lives it wants to save, and release them as they have in the past negotiations for prisoner swaps. keep in mind from a palestinian perspective, israel has thousands of palestinians including women and children that are held, many of them in arbitrary detention, many of them who have not had a fair judicial process. when you're asking for the release of the palestinians, tgs not that you're asking for the release of terrorists. israel is going to say they're terrorists but the truth is they are not terrorists. they are women and children being held illegally by israel. put that aside because that's the short-term question to how do you get out of this situation. if you're trying to solve the long-term process, how do you get a mechanism in place that allows the two sides to sit around the negotiating table, you have to speak clearly about what the root problems are, and it's not going to be writing a blank check to israel to give it the belief it can do whatever it wants. part of the reason we are in this mess is that year after

year, decade after decade, the israeli governments subsequently have been told by the west that they can do whatever they want, and get a blank check the from united states, and in doing so, the end result is you get a government in israel that believes that the palestinian issue is not fundamental to the core problem in the region, and the false belief that making peace with countries beyond the palestinians is going to come back and solve the palestinian issue. as we have seen, not to go off on a tangent, israel has peace with egypt, the united arab emirate, all the most important countries with the exception of saudi arabia, potentially on the horizon soon, none of that, prevented what happened today. >> can i ask you about egypt. egypt blockades the other end of the gaza strip. what responsibility does egypt have? >> they have a very important responsibility. to make it clear for our viewers. egypt has a peace treaty, and it's important to remind our viewers, the reason egypt doesn't open the border is not

because they don't want to open the border with gaza, it takes a position on two fronts, it has a legal obligation to stay committed to the agreement it has with israel that if it opens the border, it's only going to do it with the approval of the european union and israel. which is what israel wants, not just egypt. israel does not want to have egypt having an open board with gaza, so that's one, but two, there's a more important principle, which is egypt's position has been gaza is the not the palestinian state, and subsequently over the years, nor and more israeli politicians have been trying to say forget about the west bank, we're annexing that. gaza is the palestinian state. that is going to be the international recognized palestinian state, and egypt's concern is if we do this, if we recognize this to be an international border, we are falling into the hands of the israelis who want egypt to recognize this is now the detack t

-- de facto state. our international agreements require european unn to monitor who goes in and out of that border. they don't want to lose their funding from congress. they don't want to lose their funding from the united states, which gives egypt billions of dollars in aid every year, and their position is we do not want to have an open border where we cannot regulate and control what goes in and out of the gaza strip. >> ayman mohyeldin, thank you very much for joining us. yusef as well. i appreciate the conversation. next, let's get reacon to the conversation from white house national security coordinator for strategic communications. john kirby will join us in 60 seconds. don't go anywhere. s in 60 seconds. don't go anywhere. i needed s, until, i saw how easily it picked up my hair every time i dried it! only takes a minute. look at that! the heavy duty cloths are extra thick, for amazing trap & lock. even for his hair. wow. and for dust, i love my heavy duty duster.

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of peace, and what pressure they'll put on both the israelis and the palestinians. hamas, to come to a peaceful end to this. what is the united states doing? >> well, we're obviously staying latched up with israeli officials as you might expect over the last 36 hours at all different levels of the administration, we're making sure that israel has the security assistance it needs to continue to defend itself. and we are making sure the israeli people know that we stand solidly behind their right, again, to live in safety and security. we are also very very closely coordinating with israeli officials about the status of american citizens. which sadly, a few have been killed. we know there are many more that are unaccounted for. we don't know where they are, what condition they're in, and nothing is more important to us than their safety and security. we're going to stay latched up with israeli officials on that as well. >> what is the american government prepared to do to get those hostages back? >> everything we can do to get them home safe with their families where they belong.

the truth is, katy, we don't know exactly how many americans, if any americans are being held hostage. we have to assume sadly, that there's a strong possibility that some could be. we just don't know. so we're in constant touch with israeli officials and just the last few hours. that will continue going forward. we've pledged to offer any support and assistance that they might need, in terms of hostage recovery, but we're still working our way through this. >> egypt says they warned benjamin netanyahu that something was brewing in the gaza strip, do you have any intelligence that can confirm that, point to that? >> i cannot. and look, there's going to come a time when it's appropriate to take a look and review the intel picture, and what was out there that might have been missed. now is not that time. now is the time to make sure israel has the support it needs that it knows, the israeli people know the american people are going to stand behind them. >> full stop, what we have seen coming out of israel has been

horrific, full stop, what hamas has done to the hostages is awful. what they've done to the slaughter of civilians is terrible. is the american government, though, willing to support israel as it goes after hamas and potentially brings in a lot of palestinian casualties in the process? >> we know that the scale and the scope and the complicated nature of this particular series of attacks and it was a series of attacks, just had visited upon israel and the israeli people, truly unprecedented violence. we know that israel has to work and defend itself, and they're doing that aggressively right now. israel is great democracy, a vibrant democracy, and we share a lot of the same values, democratic institutions and values about innocent life. and we're going to continue to obviously lashed up closely with

israeli officials as they continue to prosecute this war. >> what's your concern about hezbollah in the north. >> it's concerning to see rocket attacks in the north. you saw hezbollah comments yesterday, they had no plans to get involved unless there was a full scale invasion of gaza. rhetorically they have thrown themselves in on this. we're going to watch this closely. the israelis are concerned about that as they absolutely should be. and again, baked into the security assistance that we'll be providing, israel will be allowing them to defend themselves against those attacks up in the north. >> are you concerned that the retaliation from the israelis, the incursion potentially into the gaza strip will provoke hezbollah, and also provoke other nations in the region who are not as sympathetic to israel who might be in decent terms, either officially or unofficially, but are not sympathetic in general to israel. >> without speaking to israeli military operations wouldn't be my place to do that. certainly wouldn't be my place

to speak to future israeli military operations. we have sent a strong signal and will continue to do so, we don't want to see any actor or other nation state whose interests may be like that of israel to take advantage of the situation. we're going to watch this very very closely. it's one of the reasons why we move into the eastern mediterranean that we will act to defend our national security interests as well. >> what role do you think egypt has with what's happening in gaza and we had ayman mohyeldin coming on saying egypt felt its hands were tied by the israelis and the international community on the border. >> i don't want to speak for another nation. i did see that exchange. you're right, they have an arrangement, a treaty, fl, with israel that they're going to have to decide for themselves how they abide by the commitments and what's in the best interest not only for the egyptian people, but obviously for the region. we are going to continue to look

at our national security interests in the region, and part of that is making sure that, again, israel can defend itself. >> the "wall street journal" reporting about iran, indicating iran had direct support and planning with this attack in hamas. do we have any intelligence as of this moment, 3:25, this afternoon, to indicate that's the case? >> we do not. we don't have any specific intelligence or evidence that points to direct participation by iran in these particular sets of attacks over the last couple of days. that said, of course, iran has long supported hamas and other terrorist networks throughout the region with resources, capabilities, training, and so in that regard, clearly iran's complicity here, but in terms of specific evidence on these sets of attacks, no, we don't have anything. >> you have told me that the money that was unfrozen for iran, the $6 billion is not cash that gets handed to iran. it's aid that gets handed. material aid, medical supplies, et cetera. it's never going to be cash. if our intelligence community does find that iran had a hand in this, a direct hand in this

attack, does that $6 billion, that aid, get refrozen? >> i'm not able to get ahead of where we are, and speculate about any policy decisions coming down the pike here. we just don't have any intel or evidence that points to iran direct participation in these attacks. obviously going to take a look at this, katy. we're going to take a look at this as deep and wide as we can to see if there's anything there. but i don't want to get ahead of, you know, of knowledge we don't have and translate that into policy decisions, but you're right. that money is iranian money and it can only be used with approved vendors for humanitarian purposes. the iranian people will get the benefit of medical supplies, agricultural products, the food, that kind of thing. the iranian regime will never be able to touch any of those funds. >> admiral john kirby, thank you very much for joining us as always. >> yes, ma'am. in an interview with nbc news, a retired israeli army major general tells our lester holt about the moment he helped rescue his son amir, and other

family members in the heat of the hamas invasion. amir is a journalist at haretz who has appeared on msnbc to share his reporting in the past. describing the scene as he arrived to a where they were hiding. >> we started to go apartment by apartment, house by house and search for terrorists. there were terrorists in the kabbutz. paratroopers killed another six terrorists. when i came to the area of my son's house, there were at least five bodies of terrorists, and israeli soldier, brave israeli soldier killed in this region. >> what gave you hope that your son and his family would still

be alive? >> amir told me because i told him. you have to be quiet. you have to be locked, trust me. i will come. and he knew that i will come. this is my profession. nobody, nobody, nobody can stop me. and when i when i came to their apartment, i knock on the window, the armor window of this security room, and i said, amir, ather, it's me, you can open. and you can watch much more of lester's interview with the retired general on nbc nightly news. lester is reporting from israel. up next what the u.s. is sending israel and what they are planning for americans who might need to escape. you're watching special coverage

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i'm in constant communication with president biden, and i would like to thank him on behalf of all citizens of israel. the usa supporting israel in every way. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu in a late night address translated of course, made a point to thank president biden and the administration.

defense secretary lloyd austin says the u.s. is sending munitions and military supplies, also moving an aircraft carrier strike group to israeli waters, and planning for a possible noncombatant evacuation to help americans get out if necessary. joining us now, former defense secretary in the trump administration mark esper. mr. secretary, thank you very much for joining us. can you explain the assets that are being sent to israel right now? >> sure, katy, first of all, great to be with you this afternoon. what was sent was a carrier strike group under the newest aircraft carrier, the gerald ford and it includes a cruiser and four destroyers, and that gives the united states a lot of capability to respond to different things should they arise in the region. first and foremost, i think the purpose of sending the carrier strike group to the eastern mediterranean off the coast of israel is to show support for israel, a carrier and a strike group is a very physical, muscular reminder of the

support, and secondly, of course, it's to deter bad actors in a region who might want to take advantage of that, principally, syria and iran, and of course the united states could assist with lesser threats. i think israel could handle that. as you mentioned, the task force can provide noncombatant evacuation operations if need be, and even support hostage rescue operations off the coast if it comes to that. so there are a number of reasons to do that. i think it's part of the messages we're trying to send, and assistance we're trying to provide for israel in these desperate hours right now. >> can you elaborate on the help to the hostage rescue, if it's possible. >> israel doesn't need our help, they have capable special operations forces to do that. at this point in time, we know nine americans have been killed and many are unaccounted for, and it's quite possible that some of those who are unaccounted for are part of the 130 or 150 who have been taken to gaza and are now being held by the hamas terrorists. if that's the case, and if we

wanted to and coordinated with israel, we could see, you know, u.s. special operation forces launching off of one of those ships from the eastern mediterranean into gaza to rescue people. i think that's down the road. i think that's not likely. but nonetheless, it provides a capability that we have in the region now. >> so you have been in briefing rooms that i can only imagine. you have seen intelligence, you understand what we are capable around the world, and what israel is capable of finding out, the listening capabilities. how was it possible that they could have missed this? >> i think that's the number one question. how did this intelligence failure happen? and to some extent, a military failure as well, within the idf. we don't know. and i think, you know, obviously there will be accounting for that after this war. but in the meantime, they have to figure out as best they can what happened because if there's a blind spot out there that existed, you know, three days

ago, four days ago, a week ago, that israeli intelligence continues to miss. that's the big unknown. >> how are we able to support israel at the same time we're supporting ukraine, is it possible to do both things at once? >> first of all, one of the most important things we can provide is tactical intelligence with regard to what's happening on the ground and israel specifically, gaza, and the strategic intelligence. in other words, what do we hear coming out of lebanon, with hezbollah in the south, in syria, in iran, of course, who i think, you know, all roads go back to iran when you're talking about terrorist groups such as hamas, and hezbollah, and militia groups in iraq. the bigger issue, you talk about the tradeoff is munitions. i think israel has already asked for, we have committed to provide precision munitions, things like that, that the ukrainians are also asking for as well. there will be some competition for those resources.

this is another reason why the defense industrial base needs to crank up quickly or more quickly than it is because we see these things happening, and this war here between israel and hamas is not going to end anytime soon. this is going to last for certainly days, if not weeks, and they will likely expend a good deal of munitions, trying to target hamas leadership, command centers, stock piles, things like that. >> former defense secretary mark esper, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. and coming up next, a mom who is still looking for her son who was at that music festival in the desert. our special coverage of the war in israel continues after a quick break. k. (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon.

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some of the first victims of saturday's attack were young people at a music festival in the desert bordering the gaza strip. officials say 260 people were slaughtered at that event. joining us is natalia, her son was at the music festival. she has not heard from him before the attack. i'm so so sorry. tell me what you know right now. >> to tell you the truth, i don't know anything about any son since saturday morning that i heard that my son was at the

party. didn't get any information about my son. my son, his name is kashat, he's 21 years old. he loves music, and he loves festivals, and he'd been there with another friends from places in the world. the picture was a moment before, and we are waiting. we are waiting to hear news about my son and about many others that are still missing without any clue about them. >> have you heard from any of his friends that he went with? have you heard from any of his friends that he went with? >> i've heard from a friend of him that my son make a phone

call saying in the morning of the party that he was injured in his leg and that the situation is very bad, and that's it. and they have been under attack from all over. they couldn't continue speaking, and there is no more information. >> what has the israeli government done to reach out to you? >> nothing. i don't even think they know about my name and my son. and about us. >> i'm shocked by that. really, nothing? >> nothing. totally nothing. we tried to -- we tried with help of many people to get to any kind of information of

hospitals and police and army and nothing. and any official place, speak with us or trying to understand what's happening or offering any help, nothing. >> you've told us you've given dna, who have you given dna to? >> to the police station. >> and just in case what? >> i try not to think about it. i really try to stay positive. people say about different videos on the media. i am against even try to check them to watch them. i will be -- i'm able only to get facts that's been checked, you know, i want -- won't watch

those videos or pictures that are being sent from terror groups. >> i understand that. the videos have been horrible, and it's understandable to only want verified information. if he is among the hostages, what do you want the israeli government to do? >> i want my son. i want the government to bring back my son, and i want my son to come back home alive. that's the only thing i want. that's the only thing i'm waiting for. >> do you support the government releasing prisoners on its end to do so? >> i'm not in a position. i think about other things or political or any other issues. i'm a mother, and the only thing

i -- the only thing i can think about right now is my son. and everything as a mother i will do that my son will come back home. >> of course. i completely understand that. your son is kesha casarati, he's 21 years old. thank you very much for joining us. we feel for you. >> i would like to pass a message to my son. keshat [ speaking global language ] thank you. >> natalia, thank you very much, and i'm so sorry. >> thank you. in a video on his social media, israeli president isaac herzog asked leaders around the world for their support. >> i call on all nations around the world, first, most

importantly, make clear and loud condemnation of hamas's actions. just as you have condemned at abhorrent and unspeakable actions of isis, because today they are one in the same. >> that's not exactly clear what diplomats can do in this situation. joining us is the chair of the freedom house board of trustees, jane harmon, ranking member of the intelligence committee four years after 9/11. thank you so much for joining us. let's talk about the solution to this. i have had a number of guests on who said there's no military solution to what has been happening in israel for the past 75 years, and it's obviously getting even worse. what is the diplomatic solution? >> well, >> let me say, first, as a mother and a grandmother, my heart goes out to natalia. i can't even imagine. it's so heartbreaking. there's no excuse for any side any group to kill innocent civilians, period. no excuse.

i condemn, obviously this abhorrent operation in israel, i condemn hamas and anyone associated with hamas, and i know freedom house does, too. i think it's a combination for the way out. israel has a right to defend itself, but i also think it's be stiff right now to think a few steps ahead, and to have a comprehensive strategy, going into gaza, which it seems israel will do. i'm not a military strategist, but to end up with huge israeli and other casualties and innocents killed may or may not make sense. they can evaluate that, but let's think ahead. let's think about the northern border much israel, the southern border of lebanon, where there's a more potent group with thens

of thousands of rockets hidden away with precise guidance, which can reach jerusalem. it's quite far. this is different from the 2006 war, where i was on the border during the war and saw what we called dumb scuds land in israel. this is much worse. that onslaught, again, could overwhelm iron dome. i'm glad here helping israelis to beef up iron dome, so a swarm attack can hopefully be deflected, but there's a west bank civil ward there, there's a huge palestinian population in jordan, right next door, the first country to make peace with israel, which is in a very

fragile state if the plenty cans in that country were to declare solidarity with a civil war in the west bank. let's understand, jordan has taken millions of refugees from syria. so they have been a good friend, a good ally, solid citizen in the region. then there is -- what further could iran do, iran with -- a breakout of nuclear missiles -- this is so upsetting -- of a nuclear warheads, with advanced missile capacity. so, you've got to think all the way around. i hope that everyone is talking to everyone. yes, dips set has a huge role. i was harkened to see that not only president biden calling prime minister netanyahu, but there's conversations going on with all the gulf neighbors. there was a good idea, i think, which was a peace agreement among the sunni arabs -- an

expanded peace agreement, and israel, with the provision that there would be steps forward for a palestinian state. they have to be factored in, too. this is the wrong time to bring that up again, but it is the right time to be thinking very carefully about all the options. >> if you're thinking that far ahead, and i think that's senate, again to a palestinian state, it becomes more difficult because of all the israeli settlements in the west bank supported by the government even though the international community condemns them. >> i was hoping israel was rethinking that. the coalition of prime minister netanyahu, which is substantially to the right of him, includes people who were very much for neutering the role of the israeli supreme court and for expanding settlements into

parts of the west bank, which could m&a make it possible. rolling that back, gentlemen, would be something to consider. not today, but sadly soon, if we can get to some form of cessation of the hostilities and return of the hostages and an assurance of no more damage to the homeland of israel. >> i'm not negotiating this, but i would make one other point about this. i don't know that the current palestinian leadership has exhibited a lot of courage, even. mahmoud abbas has been there for years, he's in his 80s. there's issues how the p.a. is being run.

i'm just imagining that the palestinians would want improved leadership, and maybe there's a reconnection. but gaza, let's put it that way, the land mass of the west bank. former congressman jane harman, we appreciate you coming on. that will do it for me today. "deadline: white house" picks up special coverage of the war in israel after this quick break. fn israel after this quick break. rails and open road, and essential services of every kind. all running on countless invisible networks, making it a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends the systems running america's infrastructure. for these services. for the 336 million of us living here.

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things are still extraordinarily fluid this hour. at the moment, israel says it's taking control of its territory. israeli defense force has become what it calls a full siege of gaza, a master force of some 3,000 reservists. it is an overwhelming tragedy. at least