good to be back with you for another hour. i'm katy tur. it's 3:00 p.m. in new york, and just after 10:00 p.m. in israel and gaza where the immediate situation is getting worse for

civilians. a total siege, no fuel, water, food, and no electricity at all as the strip's sole power plant has died. gazan authorities are pleading for a humanitarian help. it's not clear how any aid can get through. the only border crossing point between gaza and egypt has been hit multiple times over the past 24 hours. at the same time, overwhelmed hospitals are doubling as shelters. this is the corridor of one of those today. children, newborn babies, families, have all been huddling. and then there is israel, which is reeling from both more rocket attacks, and the spreading news of just how unspeakably awful hamas was when it brutalized and murdered innocent civilians, including children and even babies. in the israeli city of ofakeem, our reporters have been making their way through some of the

homes there that were ransacked by militants and learning how some residents escaped. others, of course, were not so lucky. they were kidnapped, including potentially americans. president biden promised coordination on getting them out, but how. joining us now from israel is nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez. raf, what's happening there? >> reporter: well, katy, we just came from the kibbutz bury, which is one of the first communities to be overrun by hamas gunmen at five minutes to 6:00 on saturday morning. they arrived at the gates of that community. they were unable to get through. you can see them in cctv trying to climb under the gate, trying to climb over it, and ultimately they wait for an israeli civilian car to come to the gate, they kill the driver, and as the gate opens, they slipped in. earlier today we went through those same gates and followed what was really a trail of horror inside.

we saw homes where israeli families had locked themselves in the safe room, and the hamas terrorists just set fire to the whole building. israeli forces told us that in one house, 40 hostages were kept. some of them killed before israeli troops could break in. and all of this is underscoring the many many painful questions that israelis are asking right now because in that community tonight. there are heavily armed israeli combat troops on every street, but the question is where were they at 6:00 a.m. on saturday morning when they were needed so badly. i put that question to an israeli major general who was leading us around earlier. you may be able to hear, katy, a column of israeli military vehicles moving around near us. i put that question to an israeli major general who was leading us around the kibbutz. do you feel that your response, the response of your forces was

too slow? he didn't give me a straight answer. he basically said, look, the focus right now is the very bloody war ahead. there will be time to ask ands on -- and to answer these painful questions. those are questions on the mind of israelis across southern israel right now. when you and i spoke at this time yesterday, we were talking about how the israeli said it had sealed the border, stopped hamas's ability to flood more terrorists, more gunmen into the area, and yet today, 24 hours later, there are still reports of gun battles going on inside israeli territory. so, again, it does seem that either that border remains porous or some of these terrorists who penetrated on saturday remained in hiding somehow for five days to continue to fight. either way, it is deeply, deeply unnerving for people here. katy. >> raf sanchez, thank you very

much. and joining us now is msnbc host and chief correspondent ali velshi, you were telling us a moment ago about the rocket fire being felt over the city of ashkelon, which is right behind you. >> reporter: that's right. in fact, all through southern israel right now. there's more rocket fire coming in from gaza, 15 miles behind me. you see every now and then what look like flair, that's the iron dome. you hear a boom and explosion, sometimes they don't, and you hear a very big boom, and that's aircraft fire or cruise missiles coming in from israeli either aircraft or ships off the coast. now, raf just said something about the question he put to the major general about where the israeli military was just after 6:00 a.m. on the morning. earlier i spoke to somebody who was on a different kibbutz, but also right on the border of gaza, and they started coming in, there was nobody around to help them. this man with seven of his

fellow men from the kibbutz that they lived on, went into a bunker where they keep arms. they armed themselves. he's a military guy, former military guy. his friend wasn't armed and this is what happened. >> couldn't get communication, and i said, everybody, listen, they're killing our guys. they're killing our guys, and they will go straight to the kibbutz. no one. no one is coming through. no one is coming through. >> when you say nobody is coming through. >> no terrorists will come through. >> do not let them through. >> only eight guys standing up. and i think 40, 50 terrorists. >> so nobody got in. outside, nobody got in. >> how many people did you shoot? >> i will kill, i think, two guys. okay. and the others were also killing from the front of the gate. >> how many in total, do you

think? >> 60 guys over 250 meters from us. i think about four, five, six, i don't -- i didn't -- >> you weren't keeping note sgls no, i didn't keep the notes. >> reporter: it was describing all of that eventually some police came. he too is wondering where was the army? so that's a question that, you know, there's two big questions, why was there an intelligence failure that allowed this to happen, and the specific questions about the number of settlements around gaza where was the army. and we note, there were many idf soldiers killed. there was a sense that the army was protecting the communities, and we have spoken to a number of people who say they don't know what went wrong. >> ali velshi, thank you very much. and joining us from tel aviv, nbc news foreign correspondent

josh lederman. there's an amassing of soldiers around the border. the bombing, a paving of a path for an incursion. what are we hearing from the government or even from your sources about when or if that's going to happen? >> reporter: for obvious reasons, katy, the government not tipping their hand about when a ground operation will start if it does or what it's going to look like. our teams that are in southern israel have noticed a real up tick in the amassing of forces, of tanks, of other military equipment in the area around the gaza strip, and some of the roads that are leading toward there. we should also point out that today the israeli military has put out a memo to the media, urging journalists not to report specific details, operational information about the location or types of military equipment they're seeing about the status of some of those hostages or about negotiations to release

them as well as other intelligence information that could potentially undermine an eventual israeli operation. and today, israel also declared a closed military zone around the gaza strip, so there is essentially a buffer area running all around the gaza strip from north of the gaza strip in israel all the way down to the egypt border that is closed off to media. they're discouraging anyone from entering that area, and so you take all of that together, katy, and you can really see the kind of build up that many have been anticipating towards potentially a much larger israeli operation in the gaza strip, potentially involving troops on the ground. >> josh lederman, thank you very much. and journalists have gained access to the farming community of about 750 people. many of them families with young children. it was one of the first israeli villages hamas ripped through

over the weekend when they crossed the gaza border, and sky news chief correspondent stewart ramsey walked through the after math. a warning, some of the images, a lot of them are graphic. >> the body of a small child is carried from the ruins of a house. there was a massacre in this kibbutz, and the recovery operation is far from over. the child is placed in a truck with others from the community. body bags awaiting collection are laid out on the basketball court. the body of a hamas fighter is ignored. more troops arrive here at the kibbutz, one of the first places attacked on saturday morning, and one of the last to be

retaken. deserted now as you would expect. they have to keep going through the houses, searching for bodies, booby traps and unexploded bombs. the soldiers are tense and ask us to withdraw. the soldiers say it's still not safe, as you can imagine. it's quite tense. they say there's a grenade in here, and they're taking defensive positions. it's difficult to know why, but clearly this is very much an ongoing operation. and they want us out of the way. soldiers mark off an area behind a shed. there's a grenade next to a gas canister. hamas filmed as they attacked the kibbutz early on saturday. local security and the residents fought them, but they were overwhelmed. some survived by hiding. they came through this gate, behind is gaza. the air force continues to attack hamas positions in the distance. so close to gaza, soldiers have

to take extreme care, they're wary of another attack. the bodies of hamas fighters are left where they were killed. if the israelis are uncertain of anything, they put down fire. the attack happened on a holiday. this community of families was caught completely off guard and in real terms, unprotected. >> there are stories here of how people took anything they could to try to battle them off. hid their children in cupboards, in wine cellars in basements, it's so hard to see this, but we have to look at this because the questions will come down the road about proportionality. and the question is when somebody's a mass killer and they want to destroy you like isis, what is the proportionality for someone like that? >> reporter: the survivors have been taken away from, families

have been torn apart, the fate of their loved ones is often unknown. there are many communities like this one, and rebuilding them will take a long time, but the war is just starting, and many other families will also be torn apart on both sides of the fence. stewart ramsey, sky news. southern israel. >> we'll be back in 60 seconds. s

after a closed-door vote, republican congressman steve scalise is the house republicans nominee for speaker, but that doesn't mean he will be speaker. at least not yet. joining us now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali velshi, and punchbowl news kound -- jake sherman. you know who i have been talking to the last couple of days and i apologize. >> i aspire to be ali velshi.

>> you have the same initials. the context is confusing. let's talk about what's going on in the house, which is also quite confusing. steve scalise has the most votes, not nearly enough, 104 off from getting the speakership. >> reporter: the most is not the magic number. the magic number isn't the majority. the magic number is 217, and that's the number that scalise is trying to work towards. we reported in the last hour of course that the house was going to do what it just did in the last few minutes, do a prayer, do a pledge, and then gavel out into a recess. that means they can come back into session at any point. now acting speaker mchenry can bring them back for a vote if at any point today they decide they're ready to vote on a speaker. of course all of us stay at the ready, and those members that i have been talking to also are ready to vote at a moment's notice. at the same time, we expect there's probably going to be about an hour's notice given

before any kind of vote happens, and this time is really just meant for scalise to be whipping votes, and there's a lot of confusion behind the scenes if he'll be able to get to the number. jim jordan, the other official candidate in the race has met with steve scalise, has offered to give the floor speech, nominating him when that happens. unclear that that's actually how this will play out, but it's an underscoring of the way that jordan, who has been talking about unifying the conference in recent days is trying to say that he's game to do that, even though he didn't win behind closed doors, and even though scalise only won by the tiniest margin he needed to make it out of that closed door meeting and into a position of being the expected or anticipated speaker. i do think it's really important for us to remind, though, getting to 217 is not an easy thing. it's something that we know that mccarthy himself struggled with back in january. we all remember those 15 balloting rounds, they would like to avoid that now, but it's

not clear they're going to be able to do that. that's why we're seeing them play this waiting game. >> he has been whipping, as ali has said. whipping votes, how is it going. it's been an hour or so since the closed door meeting. he has been running since mccarthy was ousted. >> think of this, katy, 113 votes for scalise in the conference, which included three delegates from u.s. territories who are not allowed to vote on the house floor for speaker. on top of that, ten votes for somebody not -- sorry, eight votes for neither scalise nor jordan, and then two votes present. so scalise's full total is closer to 110, which is really short of a majority of the conference and also 107 votes away from the majority on the house floor. so this is a very long slog for

scalise to get to 217, and i would add two more things, yes, jim jordan, i think that is a big moment that jordan is getting behind him. i think that will be helpful with some people. we'll have to see how many people it's helpful with but yes, absolutely a big get for scalise. number two, i think the more operative question, katy is not whether there will be a vote today or tomorrow, will there be a vote this week, to be honest with you. i don't know the answer to that, but they're not going to go to the floor much short of 217 because they want to avoid, again, looking like clowns, disorganized clowns and doing 10 or 12 rounds of balloting once again. so i think that's the state of play right now, and as you noted, katy, this is an incredibly, incredibly tenuous time with everything that's happening in the middle east and with the biden administration expecting to ask capitol hill to spend more money in israel.

>> proven aid package for israel, and will that aid package include funding for ukraine? will those two things be married and what will the house do, and what will the speaker of the house be able to do, especially if that one vote threshold still exists. is it still going to exist, the motion to vacate? >> yes. they didn't even discuss that in the meeting today or they discussed it briefly. they didn't take it on. i'll say this, though, katy, i don't think any aid package with ukraine and israel is going to pass together in the house of representatives. >> why don't we ask a member of the house that. jake sherman, ali vitali, thank you for joining us. joining us now is republican congressman from colorado, ken buck. i'll start there. if an aid package is sent to you guys that includes both israel and ukraine funding together, will you vote for it? >> i don't really answer those questions until i see it. but i'm predisposed to vote for

ukraine funding and predisposed to vote for israel funding. in fact, overwhelmingly disposed to vote for israel funding. i'm anxious to see it, and i think i would be a yes on something like that. >> congressman, let me also ask you about what's been going on in your conference. what happened in that meeting today? >> last night we had a candidate forum. we heard from both candidates. today we had a vote, and steve scalise got 118 votes, jim jordan got 99 votes. there were three votes that were present, and eight votes for other candidates. >> who did you vote for? >> i voted present. >> what does that mean for scalise's ability or jordan potentially, their ability to get the magic number? >> right now my understanding is that steve scalise has seven hard noes, and seven undecides, i'm in the undecided category. he is now working to meet with

each of those 14 individuals, and try to move them over. when he gets to 217, we will then move to the floor and have a vote. >> so when he meets with you, what are you going to tell him? >> well, i have three issues that i want to know about. i asked last night, will you unequivocally and publicly state that the election, the 2020 presidential election was not stolen. he didn't answer that question very clearly and jim jordan didn't answer clearly. the second issue i have is what is the spending number that we're all going to agree on. it doesn't have to be my number, but i think if we're going to go and move forward with the appropriations bills, we need to know what the number is, and the third question i had is will you put ukraine funding on the floor. i understand that he wants to see a plan from president biden, but even if the plan doesn't meet his expectations, will he put the vote on the floor sot rest of us can vote on that issue. >> why don't you think they're going to commit? i mean, the other two spending numbers has got to be negotiated so i can understand the delay to

get you that. the ukraine funding on the floor, there's so much division, something as simple as saying the 2020 election wasn't stolen, why don't you think neither one of those gentlemen can't commit to that? >> there's a large group of trump followers in this country would disagree with that and there would be a political penalty for saying such a thing. >> got it. when do you expect there to be a vote for speaker? >> i expect there to be a vote for speaker when steve scalise gets to 117 and not a moment before. >> today, next week? >> i'm hoping based on the timing right thousand, i would think tonight or tomorrow we would have a vote on the floor. >> how do you feel about the state of the conference right now, the state of the party? >> you know, i feel a lot better than i did last week, honestly. i think getting everyone into one room, and feeding everybody and talking about the necessity for unity was effective, and i think people will come together

behind steve scalise. >> congressman ken buck, thank you very much, and let us remind steve scalise as he meets with you, you want to know the 2020 was not stolen for him to say, you want a spending number, and you want a promise to bring ukraine funding to the floor. congressman, thank you very much for joining us as always. >> thank you. and coming up, what an emergency unity government in israel can accomplish. it's going to have interesting effects for israel's future. our special coverage of the israel-hamas war continues after the break. israel-hamasar w continues after the break.

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israeli troops amass along the border. joining us now is independent journalist, who spent two decades covering the conflict. good to have you back. let's talk about the unity government. we have been talking for days about what benjamin netanyahu would do. it seems like this is an acknowledgment that he couldn't do this with just the far right. >> yeah, it's an acknowledgment that he can't do it. whatever you want to call who's governor right now, that is barely present. i want to point out technically it's not a national unity government. it's a weird animal they have put together. it's a war cabinet within an emergency government. what that means is that this new formed government that netanyahu and one of the opposition figures have cobbled together will last only the duration of the war. it will not last one day more.

and so we don't know, right, this could be a two-week solution. this could be six months. it's really unclear, and as i keep telling you day after day, netanyahu has yet to say a word in public also now about this. so we don't know yet how -- i think he may be speaking now? >> i think this is file footage. i don't believe that he's speaking right now. sorry for being confusing. >> that's okay. anyway. this is not going to be an easy animal to run. what netanyahu is trying to do is carve out a little sane and experienced war cabinet with two former idf chiefs of staff who are currently now positioned and help him run the war that way while keeping his real government, his current coalition with these extremists still the legal government. he's trying to ride on two

horses, and as you can imagine, that's not going to be a stable situation. >> in the past, israeli prime ministers who have allowed a security breach have been elected out. they haven't survived. this is the biggest security breach in modern times in 75 years. i would imagine that benjamin netanyahu is probably thinking to himself, the only way that i can survive this is if i continue my alliance with the people who got me here. >> right. and also it's important to remember he is on trial. behind the scenes on everything that's happening in israel, these months of protests, the tragedy underway now, netanyahu is on trial, and he has all along wanted to find a way to scuttle the trial. so one of the reasons he can't get rid of these extremists who have really done his reputation great harm and done the country

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[ . that was ashkelon earlier today as hamas rockets landed on that border town just a few miles away along the border itself, more than 300,000 israeli troops are amassing. all signs point to an imminent ground invasion into 140 square miles of one of the most densely populated areas on the planet where previous israeli intelligence suggests there's an entire city's worth of hamas tunnels and bunkers just below the surface. joining us now is one of the spokesmen for the idf, major ben wallace, thank you very much. how familiar -- do you know the extent of the tunnels? do you have it thoroughly mapped out? >> yes, hamas, as you noted, has

an extensive network of tunnels in gaza city. in fact, it has turned almost all of gaza strip in into a military stronghold. 15 years it's been governing in gaza, and instead of helping it flourish, instead of supporting its 2 million people, it's invested all of its financial support from partners in the region, it's know how, its efforts into developing terrorist infrastructure and terrorist capability to attack cities, and that's what we've seen in the past few days. land, air, sea attacks, hundreds of terrorists streaming across the border, massacring women and children, abducting israelis back into gaza and continuously firing rockets into our cities. >> let me ask you about those hostages, it's believed to be at least quite a few of them if not all of them are in the tunnels and probably well spread out. is the idf confident you're going to be able to rescue some, any, all of them?

>> they are our highest priority, and our other highest priority at the moment is stopping the incessant attacks, making sure this will not be repeated ever. we make sure hamas will not have the desire nor the ability to carry out any of these attacks, whether by land, sea or air, and that's the task we're being given as the military to safeguard our population, and that's what we're going to do. >> how do you do that, though? i mean, in the past when there have been hostages held by gaza, one israeli soldier took five years to get him back, five years and it was a negotiation for more than a thousand israeli soldiers. this is more than a hundred hostages. how do you get them out? >> well, this is the true face of hamas. it's what we have been saying for years. it's what we have been fighting for years. hamas's war is a war on civilians, its terrorists massacred hundreds, over a

thousand people in israel. they have taken civilians, abducted them back into gaza. they're firing rockets on our civilian population centers, and on the flip side, they're using their civilians in gaza as human shields to evade our attacks and exploit that to try and demonize israel. >> what's happening at the border crossing for those in gaza, innocent civilians, 2 million of them, and a couple hundred those that have been displaced by the strikes. what's the situation at the border for them to try and get out. >> that's not a border with israel, so i couldn't speak to that. one of the border crossings with israel, the eraz crossing, whe thousands of gazans would come across and work in israel is part of hamas's attacks on sunday, they took over the crossing. they destroyed it, killed many of the people who were there, and so that's how they treated that crossing. >> hasn't the rafa crossing in egypt been bombed by the idf? >> no, the crossing itself has

not been bombed. we are operating all three in gaza. we're carrying out hundreds of attacks against hamas military targets wherever they are in gaza because that's a direct way, where hamas is, where hamas has military capabilities, that's where we will strike. >> how do you limit the number of civilian casualties in a place like gaza? i know i've had minister danny denone on earlier who said text messages go out. historically, dropped lead on billions, you have been on the phone with people to evacuate mills before you issued strikes on them. this is a different situation obviously. things are moving much faster, and also self-service is not good in gaza right now, it's not reliable. how do you limit the number of people who are going to get caught up in this is this. >> this is a massive military operation. we're conducting thousands of vehicles. we're doing what we can. we're taking feasible proportions to mitigate civilian

harm, but this is a situation of hamas's making. hamas chose not to invest in its civilian population and in its territory for 15 years. hamas chose to attack us. hamas chose to kill our civilians. hamas chooses to put its civilians as human shields, so even though that is an operational complexity, it won't deter us from carrying out our mission. >> is there a red line for the idf, something the idf will not do? >> we will carry out whatever directive we're given by the government and that directive at the moment is to do whatever is necessary to safeguard our civilian population. what is clear is we cannot have a case where we have a murderous terrorist organization as a neighbor across our border whose explicit and stated intentions to kill as many jews as possible. that cannot be the case. whatever is needed to do that, that's what we'll do. >> are any more militants coming

through? there was talk about a few that came in by sea last night, and had to be chased down for hours? >> there are continued attempts to carry out attacks by sea, land and air. we have caught over 300,000 reserve soldiers who have left their homes all throughout the country. we have deployed many of them down to the south, and up to the north, where we're keeping a very careful eye. we have had a few attacks from the north. we don't want escalation there. we have a lot of forces to give a very clear message that no one else should join the fight. >> what can you tell me about the airspace violation by lebanon? >> we have had a number of incidents with lebanon. we have had antitank fire, rocket fire, and today we have indications of our aerial violations. that's all preliminary information, and i don't have anything more on that at the moment. >> major, thank you very much for joining us. major bell waulhaus, spokesperson for the idf, we

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do now, and why they don't want to let in refugees over the rafa border? >> egypt faces its own challenges. it's had an insurgency for over a decade, which has taken a toll on egyptian security forces. it has been a place from which much of the smuggling of arms and people into gaza has started. and therefore, as a security matter, egypt going to be very careful. on the other hand, egypt has also been instrumental whenever there have been negotiationscar. on the other hand, egypt has been instrumental whenever there have been negotiations on things like hostage, prisoner exchanges, ending conflicts. so i think the egyptian government will be pulled in two different directions, watching carefully, but see if it can tamp down some of the extreme parts of this war. >> egyptian leaders have paid a

huge price. anwar sadat was assassinated, in part, because of his peace deal. how difficult is it for them to get involved in this sort of conflict? >> i was stationed in egypt during sadat's assassination. i sauce a population that was largely supportive of no more wars, but the muslim brotherhood infiltrators into the army decided to take matters into their own hands. that's been part of the tension in egypt ever since the peace treaty was signed in 1979. for that reason, the egyptians have always sought for themselves a role in which they could probably advance, or try to advance, the prospects of a broader peace, so that their individual peace with israel would not be isolated. they tried hard, but the peace process hasn't been very

successful. once again they'll be caught in this bind about protecting themselves and trying to end violence. >> isn't that part of the broader issue, though? every time these countries have come close to peace or the broader region has come close or normalized relations with israel, there's been a huge human toll. sabine was assassinated, after the great with the plo at the time. there are actors in the region who, you tell me, do they want anything more than just endless conflict? or the complete annihilation of israel? or, on the other hand, the complete of any annihilation of the idea of palestine? >> i think it's clear the non-state actors are not interested in a peace deal.

they have to scotch the idea of normalization, but it's important to remember that the two breakthroughs in our lifetime, the treaty with egypt in 1979 and the madrid peace conference in 1991, actually followed wars or uprisings. in other words, there's the possibility of an opportunity in a situation of violence or war, which diplomats and statesmen might be able to exploit. that's going to be the challenge not just for egypt, but for the united states, europe and much of the global community. it will not emanate from hamas or hezbollah, but what pathway can be forged. it's too early to suggest what this might be, but that's really the only way to get out of

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all of the concerns. this is a case where something that was on the agenda becomes even more relevant and more urgent and they include the president in it. this is how this evolved today. we expect them both to speak and there will likely be an opportunity through a roundtable type forum for give-and-take. how much we get to see with the pool cameras and reporters present is yet to be determined. the white house is have on a number of levels, have the outrage, with international partners like the israeli prime minister, but also recognizing how the american jewish community is deeply feeling this, and to make sure people know what's happening here, including taking precautions, racing -- raising awareness, and

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