three rockets have just been fired over ashkelon. you hear the booms as they were intercepted overhead. we were headed in this direction closer towards the border with gaza. >> more of our reporting there. that was nbc's allison barbara on the ground. earlier today, during what was described as hamas rocket attack inside israel. msnbc's coverage continues. "the reidout" is up next. ♪♪ good evening, everyone. we begin tonight with a breaking news split screen. as israel/hamas war is escalating, in washington major political drama is unfolding on capitol hill. during a moment of international crisis, the house remains speakerless as the republican majority is still unable to

garner enough support for their nominee. it is a whole mess. and we'll have more on that later in the show. we begin tonight in israel where earlier today prime minister benjamin netanyahu announced that he is forming an emergency unity government in the wake of the hamas attack. adding two opposition leaders to his cabinet. netanyahu said the newly. formed government would, quote, crush hamas. it comes as the nation intensified, relentlessly bombarding gaza with missiles throughout the day, leaving the streets unrecognizable. entire neighborhoods destroyed. tonight, all of gaza is completely in the dark. the fuel to the power station ran out after being cut off by israel, leaving the people of gaza with no electricity and no running water. on top of that, the humanitarian situation there is being described as catastrophic. more than 260,000 people have now been displaced.

authorities are pleading for help. and hospitals are overwhelmed, filled with the cries of children. meanwhile, hamas militants have been firing rockets at israel into the night. on the border, the scale and browalty of this weekend's attacks are still being uncovered. one israeli soldier describing the horrific scene inside a kibbutz that was ambushed by hamas militants. >> it's not a war. it's not a battlefield. you see the babies, the mother, the father in their bedrooms, in their protection rooms and how the terrorist killed them, it's not a war. it's a massacre. it's a terror activity. >> the human toll of this war has been catastrophic, at least 1200 israelis have been killed and in gaza, at least 1100 people have been killed. between 100 and 150 people are estimated to have been taken hostage by hamas. something president biden

addressed today when speaking at a round table with jewish community leaders. >> we want to make it real clear, we're working on every aspect of the hostage crisis in israel, including deploying experts to advise and assist with recovery efforts. press is going to shout to me, and many of you are, that what are you doing to bring these -- get these folks home? if i told you i wouldn't be able to get them home. folks, there's a lot we're doing. a lot we're doing. i have not given up hope. i'm bringing these folks home. >> this all comes amidst growing signs that a ground invasion may be imminent. as israeli forces gather near the border. as nbc's richard engel points out. >> reporter: israel has brought in enough tanks and armor for a full scale ground war and is now mobilizing the more than 360,000 reservists called up for national service. a new phase of this conflict is about to begin.

and there will be many casualties. for israeli troops, the risks are high. hamas planned for saturday's murderous rampage into israel for a year. its gunmen showing a level of training and savagery that shocked israel and the world. new photos shows hamas gunmen para gliding into that music festival saturday morning. hamas is prepared for israel's ground invasion and says it welcomes it. hamas has a network of tunnels and booby traps and knows the ground far better than israel. for the 2 million civilians in gaza, the risks are even higher. gaza is one of the most densely-populated areas on earth. street to street fighting could kill thousands. >> richard engel joins me now from ashdod, israel. let's start at the last point that you were making, richard. thank you for joining us. a ground invasion, where would it come from? and how would it even work in that tiny strip of land that we

know that gaza is. we can throw up the if we can. please explain where would it come from? >> reporter: well, if you pull up a map it's easy where it could come from becau would come from everywhere, all sides. israel would move in from all sides. and i think that's not a secret. i'm not revealing any plans. i don't have inside knowledge. but israeli troops are deployed all around gaza. and they would try and overwhelm it. there would be attacks from the sea. there would be attacks from the air. there would be drone attacks. there would be attempts to block out communications with jamming equipment. so it would be a full-scale invasion. israel has done this before. they have gone into the gaza strip. but usually when they've gone in they've just stayed in the north or they've tried to cut the region in half. the actual tactical operations

will be revealed, if they do this. but generally, they push in from multiple sides. they cut the roads. they cut -- the north from the south. they use a lot of drones and a lot of jamming. and it is highly destructive. i was in gaza during a previous ground assault. and there was one area, it was more or less levelled to the ground. and it was -- it became a parking lot. there was no way that anyone could survive in that area. so, it is highly destructive. you can't move tanks into a built-up area and start firing them without causing a lot of destruction. this is not a pinpoint operation. but, in addition to the blunt move in with the tanks and the armored bulldozers, there will also be -- because of all the hostage situation, commando raids because they are going to be looking for the hostages. so this will be a highly complex

operation, very difficult to carry out for israel, very dangerous for israel and for the troops involved. and potentially extremely lethal for all of the palestinians who are there. hamas is saying, we welcome it. bring it on. we want to fight on our own territory. we know the territory better than anyone else. and hamas is feeling very confident after this weekend's assault into israel that have raised the group's reputation across the arab world, at least. and now we will see what happens if israeli troops do go in. it will make this early phase of the conflict pale in comparison. >> thank you for explaining that. if we can put the map back . because this is the question, if there is an assault from the sea, from the north of gaza -- gaza is tiny. we're blowing it up to try t make you see what it is. but it's really small.

there is only one way out for the 2 million civilians and that is to go south, to egypt, you can see is south of the gaza strip. egypt has been talking about trying td , trying to get u.n. aid in. the u.n. talked about it as well, but egypt rejected any move to set up safe corridors inside of egypt for people trying to flee south. what is the status of that southern crossing? because if egypt closes it, that means that this catastrophic assault that you're describing takes place at a place where everyone in gaza is trapped there. >> reporter: so, that is generally the dynamic that happens. the assault comes. there are two main cities in gaza. there's gaza city in the north and honunis in the south. there are other smaller communities, but two major urban centers. one of the first things that israel has done in the past is

cut it off from the north to the south to prevent movement from one area to the other and prevent hamas from resupplying and communicaing and gathering in force. and the other thing that happens is people rush toward the border with egypt. egypt traditionally has not wanted to open that border because it doesn't want all of the 2 million gazans to end up on egyptian territory and may never leave and become new egyptians and the gaza strip could empty out. so negotiations and discussions are already under way and appeals are already under way to open some sort of humanitarian corridor into gaza to get supplies in, to allow medical relief in, to give the people some sort of way to survive, to give the civilians a way to survive. but so far that corridor hasn't been opened and it's unclear if it will. >> richard engel, thank you very much. we really appreciate your eyes and knowledge on this. thank you. let me bring in msnbc

political reporter, ben rhodes, in the in the obama administration. hopefully you were able to hear richard, ben. because what we're talking about is potentially a major ground assault inside of a very small, packed, densely-packed area where no one can leave. so this could be difficult and then an attempt to also locate hostages up to 150 people who only hamas knows where they are. from a national security point of view, are there -- what are the risks here? you know, because the idea, i'm assuming, is to not have this spark a larger war. but inside of the countries that are around the region,re going to see whatever the aftermath of that assault is and god only knows wt happens next. >> that's right, joy. i mean, there's so many risks involved here. first of all, there are obviously risks to israeli ground forces moving in to a

densely populated area where hamas may have prepared to ambush troops coming in. there's obviously catastrophic risks for the civilians and we should think about the innocent gazans trapped and have no way out and will be in the cross-fire of this assault and already are in the crosshairs of the bombardment of gaza. but then beyond that, joy, as you point out, there are risks that if the images coming out of gaza are horrific, of a humanitarian catastrophe, there are risks that that might prompt hezbollah to enter the conflict from the north. hezbollah has actually said that a ground invasion might, might bring them into this war. and so then all of a sudden you have another front in this, a major iranian proxy and more capable organization than hamas and hezbollah with rockets and with manpower potentially coming in and escalating this conflict from the north and if the images again are obviously going to be triggering, you could see

uprisings in the west bank. we have already seen some settlers, israeli settlers attack palestinians in retribution for the horrific attacks by hamas and suddenly you could be looking at a multiple front war in the west bank from lebanon and as well in gaza. so there a lot of risks associated with that kind of escalation. human risks and security risks. >> absolutely. i will just note that reuters is report what had the saudi prince and iran's president talked since diplomatic ties restored and the they discussed the need to, quote, end war crimes against palestine. they're not making noises that sound like they're very much supportive of what israel is planning to do. let me play president biden and what he had to say and he has known netanyahu for a long time and he reiterates that. take a listen. >> i've known bb for over 40 years. very frank relationship.

i know him well. and the one thing that i did say that it is really important that israel all the anger, frustration and -- cannot explain it, that exists, is that they operate by the rules of war. the rules of war. and there are rules of war. >> netanyahu has a new government. what do you think that means for the way that they might conduct any operations going forward, presumably the new government includes some slightly more moderate voices. >> slightly. i think what it means, joy, is you had a really unstable situation in some respects in israel over the course of the last several months because you have the most far right government in israel's history and that's sparked protest movements in response to an attempted effort to seize kind of judicial power in israel.

that's created tensions in the society. so i think above all, it kind of signals a greater degree of unity. but, make no mistake, even the people coming into the government are pretty hard lined when it comes to not just this attack but even previous gaza wars. i think the warning that you're hearing from president biden is he wants to be very respectful understanding the enormous emotions and anger that exist in israel right now and the desire to destroy really the military wing of hamas that carried out this attack. at the same time, there's both that security concern of this war could escalate, it could get worse. it's the middle east. it could go into a regional conflagration in ways that could be dangerous for israel and also it is a reality. you heard him mention repeatedly the laws of war. what he's eluding to there is collective punishment, essentially punishing the citizens of gaza for what hamas did. that is not permitted under the

rules of war. targeting hamas, taking out its military wing, that's obviously military objective that israel legitimately has right now. but this is difficult in a city of 2 million people. and so i think president biden is trying to at the same time signal support and understanding for how israelis are feeling but counselling as a friend and as a human being and understanding 1 million of gaza is children. counselling that you should do this consistent with the laws of war in that does not mean collective punishment. that means going after hamas. >> let's talk about netanyahu's politics. this is a resident who is expressing some very understandable anger. this person's name is seani, a resident of kibbutz zaking. >> biden had this wonderful speech and said israel, we're behind you. we're your friends. we're with you.

and i wish our prime minister, who no one knows why, why he's still the prime minister, would say even a quarter of the friendship, of the love, of whatever we got from our american colleagues, friends. >> i'll put up this video here because this video is actually -- it's not in english. this person's name is sharel whose family was injured and his sister was burned. and he's speaking in a hospital in tel aviv and really, really angry and saying -- and thank you for the translation. that thousands of people were killed during your shift, sir. you can tell stories until tomorrow all you want. where are you, mr. ben kavir, another minister in the cabinet. your world champion in telling stories. where are you, mr. pistol of twitter. there's a lot of anger, i think, just in general inside -- obviously -- for obvious reasons. some of that is being directed at the prime minister himself. and you saw what was sads, they're pointing a finger at

him. how do his politics potentially look going forward? >> very complicated, joy. and frankly there's a much more open discussion about this in israel even than the united states at times. the reality is there are a lot of questions to be answered. first of all, the reason that there was less israeli military presence along that gaza border is because a lot of those military units were up in the west bank because this government had empowered israeli settlers who were getting in for tit for tat balance with the palestinians and had to move military resources up there to protect them. there was obviously an intelligence failure not seeing this coming. there have been reports of warnings made to the netanyahu government that were ignored and own military ignored that the judicial coup he was attempting was creating divisions in israeli society that groups might try to exploit. and so there are a lot of questions, yes, his reputation has been i'm mr. security. i'll protect you. that's clearly been punctured.

however in the immediate term, israelis are rallying together as they do. it's in their dna to rally together in defense of the state of israel. so i think in the immediate term, prime minister netanyahu is secure in his position as this war gets under way. but usually in the past in israel's history in 1973, the invasion, at some point the bill comes due. he is in more precarious position in immediate term he'll lead this government to national unity. people will have these questions of why israelis are so vulnerable in the south and whether the nature of the government he put together and the policies he was pursuing somewhat took the eye off the ball down south. that's a medium and long-term question in israeli politics. >> ben rhodes, thank you, as always for your expertise. thanks so much. >> thanks. cheers. coming up, much more of our breaking news coverage of the israel/hamas war. and latest on capitol hill with house republicans still fighting

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the house of representatives is still effectively out of business since republicans decided to kick out speaker kevin mccarthy with no plan to replace him. with the escalating israel/hamas war now into a fifth day, republicans say they want to

support israel, if only they could move anything through their speakerless house. leaving the chaos caucus scrambling to get in line behind a candidate, any candidate. as crises pile up. remind e we're also just 37 days away from government shutdown crisis number two. republicans got a tiny bit closer to selecting a new speaker today. they're choosing between current house majority leader steve scalise and judiciary chairman jim jordan, that would be steve scalise once told a reporter fellow louisiana david duke but without the baggage and jim jordan turned a blind eyes to sexual abuse by the ohio state wrestling coach. and they say that he has no business being speaker. that was, of course, long before jordan ignored congressional subpoenas and asked donald trump for a pardon. both scalise and jordan voted against certifying president biden's victory in 2020. but the louder of the two insurrectionists, jordan, is

donald trump's pick for speaker. as by the way kevinccarthy once was. dung private forum on tuesday, both scalise and jordan refused to answer a direct question from colorado congressman ken ck, about whether president biden was duly elected in 2020. an answer he says is required to get him off the fence. in a closed door vote today, house republicans voted 113 to 99 to nominate david duke without the baggage over trump's maga pardon friend. 113 is a long way from the 217 votes needed to get elected speaker on the house floor. the house is in recess they will not bring up a nominee who doesn't have the votes. and it's unclear when a floor vote for speaker will actually happen. joining me now is nbc news senior capitol correspondent garrett haake. what is the status? >> reporter: joy, there won't be

a speaker tonight. the house recessed until noon tomorrow. i'm seeing some reporters down the hall waiting outside the speaker's office that he or kevin mccarthy or patrick mchenry have been cycling in and out of for the last week trying to figure out how to get him closer to that 217 number. now, scalise is probably in the neighborhood of around 200 republican votes. jim jordan has said he's backing him. will nominate him on the floor. he's urged his followers to support him. so, a lot of votes will come with that. but there are house reasonings all over the map with different issues with scalise. some see too much of the status quo. they don't like he doesn't have a plan on averting a shutdown. some nancy mace by name upset about the david duke comment from years past. saying she could not support him and explain that vote to her voters back in south carolina. he has a difficult problem here. i don't know that it's an intractable one, but the longer

this stays unsolved and not on the floor, one house republican expressed to me, the more likely it is that more people will come up with more complaints and more things to ask him for, which just makes this more complicated and more likely to drag out even longer, joy. >> what a mess. nbc's garrett haake, thank you very much. let's bring in msnbc political analyst, david jolly, former republican congressman from florida no longer reason affiliated with the party. cannot come up with why. i'm not a math major. visual environmental studies. but i did a little quicky math. and if scalise were to be able to get all of jim jordan's 99, that would put him at 212, 5 short of the 217 if my math is on point. what to do if they can't bring over some of the maybes or some of those who will not vote for any reason for scalise, they have to go to democrats, right?

isn't that the only way out? >> yeah. which they will be unwilling to do. this is deja vu all over again. we saw it in january with kevin mccarthy's 15 votes. we saw ate couple weeks ago they deposed kevin mccarthy. now steve scalise trying to get to the magic number and appears to come up short. the one thing that i am looking for is not actually the grand standers, if you will. the nancy mace's -- actually have fairly -- they would probably cave and end up voting for scalise on a second, third, fourth ballot. i'm more intrigued by the thomas massey who says, scalise doesn't have a plan for the budget or the cr or ken buck who says scalise won't answer if the election was stolen or not in 2020. those are new players in this mix. and because you're only talking about three or four votes that could sink scalise, those people now, who were not part of the previous cycles with holding votes for mccarthy, those members now come into play. >> let me play ken buck. he was very interesting.

he was on msnbc earlier today with katy tur. take a listen. >> i have three issues i want to know about. i asked last night, will you unequivocally and publicly state that the 2020 presidential election was not stolen? he didn't answer that question very clearly. jim jordan didn't answer that question very clearly. the second issue i have is what is the spending number that we're all going agree on. doesn't have to be my number, if we're going to go and move forward with appropriation bills we need to know what that number is. the third question i had is will you put ukraine funding on the floor? >> my god, like a republican from the '90s. i feel like i'm back in the '90s. he's so normal. i would like to bring that guy back. so that's him. he sounds totally normal. i probably don't agree with his politics but sounds like a normal human being. he is up against this, nancy mace, wore a scarlett letter shirt. that's not serious. then you have this woman is who

replaced liz cheney in wyoming. walked in carrying a lasso. the incentives, the political incentives, david, are for that kind of shenanigans, not for the the norminess ken buck showed. how do they solve this problem when the people carrying the lasso are probably the deciders. >> that's right, joy. the one thing i'll tell you republicans are good at are publicly punching themselves in the face. the fact they're willing to take all of this nonsense on to the house floor again after the nation went through seeing this before, is crazy. which, then goes to why the members like buck and massey and others really come into play. we know the craziness of nancy mace and others. right? now consider scalise will be short on votes over issues like ukraine, israel, budget, stolen election, actually issues that hurt republicans to be highlighted. and so this is where there's a coming disaster that they could have avoided. they could have required 217 votes behind closed doors before they ever went to the house

floor. they didn't. and the sad part here, it is almost seems insignificant intrigue on the hill when we see what's playing out in the middle east and israel. now we have a dysfunctional congress, ambassadors who haven't filled positions and military leadership being with held because republicans keep punching themselves in the face publicly and can't get their act together. >> it is remarkable. right. it seems silly until you remember that we can't fund the government without a speaker. that we actually can't move spending bills to the floor without a speaker. and we can't finalize the work of government without this position. how in the world did these -- this gang of eight throw out the speaker without a plan? they didn't have a plan for who would replace them. get out, kevin. and they didn't have a backup plan. to me that -- you know, people want to high five florida man for doing this, i don't think they understand that he didn't

actually have a plan. what if -- this is my nightmare, david. what if kevin mccarthy is actually the only republican who can be elected speaker? >> well, here is the silver lining, joy. the silver lining is a dysfunctional republican party that can't get its act together, that doesn't know how to do their job is actually probably better for democracy broadly speaking. but in moments of crisis, a house that cannot organize and function is where we're really hurting democracy. that's where it's right to be angry at republicans. we don't know what we're facing the middle east. this is not going to be short. this is going to be long with very grave decisions to make for the interest of the west. similar to russia and ukraine republicans abandoned. we have to keep a government open so domestic programs provide for education, healthcare and other ways of life those can be funded and republicans cannot do that. they are dysfunctional, cannot govern, why they should be a minority party for decades to come. >> this is why this man left the

party because he makes too much sense to hang out with these people. david jolly, if you come back in, a lot more people would join. that's all i'm saying. >> hey, i would come in as a democrat, joy. not as a republican. >> they would be very happy to have you because you make sense. david jolly, stop making sense. thank you very much. coming up next, more on the israel-hamas war when we come back after this short break. fte. ♪ if you struggle with cpap... [man struggles] ...you should check out inspire. no mask. no hose. just sleep. learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com

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♪♪ many of us recall the damaging consequences of the iraq war. we remember the u.s. launching a major military invasion starting with shock and awe in baghdad and pulling off regime change against saddam hussein. the result was harm to the united states' international standing. israel is on the verge of an invasion of gaza with questions about the ultimate goals and potential consequences. colin powell famously said about iraq, you break it, you own it. does the same hold true for israel when it comes to gaza? joining me now is retired u.s. navy admiral james staph reeds. it's always a pleasure to speak with you. that's the colin powell rule, you break it, you bought it. israel formerly removes its set lers and troops from gaza back in 2005. what happens if they go back in

in your view? >> i think colin powell's rule, someone who is a life mentor to me, still exists. in the sense that if israel goes in, breaks it, and owns all of gaza, 2 million people, joy, they are going to own it. so, as a result, i think what you're going to see the israelis do is go in, do as much as they can to break the control of hamas, the awful terrorists who have been beheading babies, raping women, islamic-state level offenses. they'll do everything they can to break that, but then they'll want to turn over governance in this region. again, 2 million people, not insignificant. perhaps to the palestinian authority, perhaps to some kind of pan-arab peace keeping force. perhaps to a united nations

peace keeping force, becomes very unclear very quickly. i'll close with this, joy, it's a lot easier to get into a war than to get out of it. >> and david harden, a former senior adviser to president obama and special envoy for le east peace, never ending question, middle east peace, he wrote piece "the new york times" where he said, israel could be walking into trap in gaza. hama may well set a trap if it induces an israel invasion of gaza. before israel makes that it needs strategy for exiti gaza and plan for the day after. it could trigger a crisis the middle east that lasts for generation. and i know you know better than most about what those kind of kwaug myers are look like. we went into iraq and successfully took baghdad. that didn't mean we could hold iraq. we went into afghanistan and held on to it and owned it for 20 years and still had to leave and it's back in the hands of the people that we took it from.

so, you know, you go into a tiny strip like this, that's already dense and impoverished and people are already desperate, kill a lot of people, does that break the hold of hamas on that population or strengthen it because we know there's been a lot of operation to hamas in gaza before now because they are extremists even against their own people? what happens internally? can you turn it over to somebody like fatah. >> i can answer that in three words. i don't know. nobody does. there's a lot of arrogance and confidence in predictions. i'm not in that camp. but i'll give you a best case guess at this point. i think the israelis will go in fully cognizant of what you are articulating, what david has said in an excellent piece "the new york times," what i am saying here tonight, they will go in and recognize it is not in

the long-term interest of israel to impose governance over 2 million people in this tiny area. so i think they will look, as you just said, for a connection with the west bank, with a connection with the palestinian authority. that will require accommodations by israel in working with the broader palestinians. what i do know is this, joy, the israelis cannot work with hamas after the rapes, the beheadings of babies the torture, the hostages. they are terrorists. they must be pushed aside. when we get beyond that, we can get to the kind of conversation that you and i are having now. >> and i just want to note that, you know, this has been one of the challenges is that we do not have confirmation of a lot of things. the beheading story is one of those that we have not been able to confirm as a news organization, though it is one

of the most sort of, you know, caustic things that people believe happened there. so we can't confirm that as a news organization. i just need to say that. >> the last question i would ask here is just as a broader question because this seems to me -- you alluded to it in your first answer. israel is going to need the region support. egypt is right now saying they don't want to open up humanitarian corridors inside of egypt even though they are contiguous to gaza. how does israel engage the jordanians -- how do they engage the egyptians and the saudis when what they're saying right now isn't -- they're not saying what the u.s. is saying about supporting despite the horrors that hamas has done. that's not where they are right now. how does -- how can the israeli government engage those governments at the same time that it is doing this assault on gaza? >> you know, i would go back to

syria in the civil war in syria. 21 million people in syria when that civil war begins. 7 million internally displaced. 7 million pushed outside the borders of syria. what happened? turkey, lebanon, others in the region including jordan opened refugee camps. i think the reality is such that, as israel presses in, i think there will be real pressure on egypt and jordan, who are partners with israel, recognize them diplomatically, to work with them again, keyword here, pan-arab. let's watch for what saudis do. is there funding? i think in the end, joy, it's going to be a solution on the egyptian side of this. recognizing they're pushing back right now. i think there is an inevitability to support from

egypt on this. >> admiral james stavridis, thank you so much for giving us some of your time. thank you. we'll be right back. some of your time. thank you. we'll be right back.

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no food, no water, no electricity to millions of residents, half of them children. doctor who worked in numerous conflict zones had to say from the overwhelmed hospital in gaza today. >> the ferocity of this attack, you always have to keep remind yourself it's only been four days. that kind of leveling of whole neighborhoods has just been horrendous. i've been here in the 2009, 2014 and 2021 >> even the 2014 war. it was not as bad as this. >> joining me now is richie kelly, the professor of modern arab studies at columbia university, and author of 100 years war on palestine. thank you so much for being here. i want to start and talk a bit about gaza, about the government in gaza, because hamas is both, there is a

terrorist group that is it's sort of military wing, and then it's also the government. it's a weird thing where they are also the government in gaza. the fact that they would do, what a lot of people call a suicidal attack on israeli civilians, which they must have known would provoke this kind of hell for their own citizens, their own people. why would they do such a thing knowing what would happen to palestinians in gaza? >> you have to take two things into consideration. the first is a 16-year siege and blockade. that kind of intense and remitting violence, a siege involves violence, cutting off of food and water and things like that which israel has been doing periodic lee on and off for at least 16 years, and this has produced a population that is in some respect ready to support hamas, ready to support any form of what they call resistance. you have 2.4 million people,

half of whom are children, and who have suffered through five wars since 2008. i was with a friend of mine who is been there for three of those wars. the number of people killed are in the thousands, most of whom are women and children, most of whom are civilians. you do that to people and you inflict that kind of violence of over people over that length of time, and you must expect a violent response. why they did what they did in a situation, as i think you mentioned, they were not entirely popular in the gaza strip before this operation. i think it has to do with a number of things. they have seen the palestine question pushed to the sidelines. i am not particularly happy about much of what i have seen. i think some of it is horrific. but they have certainly pushed the palestine question back into the middle of things. our arab countries going to be able to normalize in the same way that they were likely able to do before saturday? i'm not sure that's going to be

possible. is anybody going to be able to a good or hamas? israel will go in, will kill many many more people that have already died. the number of palestinian deaths is about to go very high, higher than israeli deaths. when our country is going to normalize? egypt and jordan, is your previous guest said, averages to the idea of taking palestinians. they're not gonna except for their ethnic cleansing of palestine at their expense. the people of gaza are the descendants of people who were ethnically cleansed from the areas of southern israel, which were the scenes of all this fighting. and israel has refused to allow them to return for 75 years. >> let me ask you this. i think that background is important to have. when people say, why would the people in gaza elect hamas in the first place? they were elected in 2006. they've been there since 1987. they took control of gaza at the same time as five times,

the other moderate palestinian organization that controls the west bank area. what is the background for them actually getting elected in the first place? >> two things are really interested. first of all, they do get elected. and they did so by accepting all kinds of provisions at the oslo accords. they said they would allow -- who had that time was almost like president, to negotiate on their behalf. to a certain extent the refusal of the united states to actually and israeli occupation, not to talk about a process which will lead to negotiations, we've been talking about that since 1991. i was at madrid. we were told this was a peace process. this is not a peace process. this is a process in which professionals make career. there is no peace. we just saw that. we also all those civilians who died in israel, and we're gonna see many more civilians die in gaza. if the united states or the international community had actually acted in 2006, when

the palestinians had an election, to actually bring about peace, meaning and occupation, create a palestinian state, allow refugees to return, we would not have anything like this happen. the five were zone gaza, some of the horrible attacks on civilians. i have to say, though, the number of palestinian civilians who are killed is always more than the number of israelis killed. it's about to go higher, unfortunately, as this offensive is unleashed on gaza. >> rashid khalidi, thank you very much. it's so important to get to the background and understand where this is coming from. thank you so much for providing that context. cheers. we'll be right back. ight back. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really works.

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check out the reidout blog. jon jones takes republicans like matt gaetz marjorie taylor greene for changing their tune on supporting foreign wars. saying americans shouldn't spend money on foreign wars, but they're setting a different tune when it comes to israel. and john explains why. that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts, right now. right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. he's really defense force, the people of gaza, and those watching around the world are bracing for a massive military operation into the palestinian territory ruled by hamas on the gaza strip. the war has already begun,