just israel, but against jews. >> the israelis have plenty of friends in the region. not only in the middle east countries have obviously express ed concerns for the palestinians, but also understand that this is not, none of these countries like hamas. the president of the palestinian authority has no regard for hamas. can't stand hamas. what people need to understand is hamas itself is a terrorist, jihadist organization. none of these people -- you're not seeing the egyptians come into egypt. no one wants to be part of it. they have created this chaos. >> former ambassador, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. that's it for me today. "deadline white house" starts right now.

hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. it's 11:00 p.m. in israel, where a ground invasion by israeli forces could be hours away. what is likely to be a deadly and devastating new chapter of a conflict that began with that deadly terror attack on saturday morning that has now been responsible for taking the lives of host most of the 1300 people killed in israel. 27 americans have i died. just a few hours ago, the israeli military tweeted that an extensive attack is underway. that's after unprecedented evacuation order by israel that called for more than a million residents in the northern part of the gaza strip to evacuate within 24 hours. it was issued just after midnight local time. you can see here on your screens, those are leaflets being dropped telling people living there to get out. all day scenes of panic and desperation have unfolded in the fwaz is a strip. many residents having nowhere to

go and with all of gaza under a blockade as "the new york times" reports, many palestinians were reluck lant to leave their homes, which has even fewer resources and routes to get there that have been damaged by a week of strikes. hamas officials urged palestinians not to comply at all with the evacuation order. a doctor in gaza told richard engel she fears the worst. >> no one can leave gaza, no one can enter, there's no crossing borders, nothing left for anyone to do. it's a huge cage that we are trapped inside. >> looming over the entire crisis, the status of 150 or so hostages currently being held by hamas. the military said in a statement today it had conducted raids to zerk for host ajs. president biden today said he spoke to family members of some of the hostages, while also reiterating his strong support

for israel. >> we're making sure israel has the needs to defend itself and respond to these attacks. it's also priority for me to address the humanitarian crisis in gaza. at my direction, our teams are working in the region, including communicating with the governments of israel, egypt, jordan and other arab nations and the united nations to support the humanitarian consequences for the attack to help israel. we can't lose sight of the fact that the overwhelming majority of palestinians had nothing to do with hamas. and hamas' attacks ander they are suffering as a result as well. this morning, i spoke of the family members of all those americans who are still unaccounted for on a zoom call for about an hour and 15 minutes. they are going through agony not knowing the status of their sons, daughters, husbands, wives

are. it's gut wrenching. i assured them my personal commitment to do everything possible to return every american to their families. >> in the region, both u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin and secretary of state tony blinken, blinken was in qatar today where he took stock of the dire situation, responding to a devastating terror attack, more than a people million in gaza in harm's way with a terror group believed to be using civilians as their human shields. listen to that. >> they said yesterday in tel aviv, israel has the right and the obligation to defend its people and to try to ensure that hamas can never repeat what it's done. we continue to discuss the importance of taking every possible precaution to avoid harming civilians. we recognize that many palestinian families in gaza are suffering through no fault of

their own, and the palestinian civilians have lost their lives. we mourn the loss of every innocent life, israeli, palestinian, jew, christian, muslim, civilians of every faith and every nationality have bye-bye killed. >> when are you seeing? >> earlier today we were watching the horizon in gaza as it was just bombarded by israeli airstrikes. you can see the orange glow as hit after his fell. for the most part at the time, we weren't seeing a lot of rocket fire coming from gaz a is a into this direction. that quickly changed. there were a few different rockets that were fired overhead. most of them appeared to be intercepted by israel's iron dome.

we moved further back after we were told by the israeli military we needed to do that. they were moving more equipment in. and things were getting more active and they wanted us to be out of that area for our own safety. i was speaking with a spokesperson yesterday and asked is it fair when people are characterizing the ground assault into gaza as eminent, he said we have been very clear on our intent to ensure nothing like what happened on saturday ever happens again. they believe they do that by making sure hamas has no sort of power b that governing within gaza, be that existing within gaza, be that able to conduct or operate any sort of military-like operations. they want to ensure that all of that is done and get the hostages that are still inside of gaza out. then you have a lot of

civilians. with really nowhere to go. i asked that spokesperson about the possibility of some sort of humanitarian corridor or green zone to allow civil yans to get out. he said the crossing on the north that that is not operating because hamas struck it when they launched their assaults this weekend. he said they till kilned a number of people at that crossing. took people hostages, that's why it's no longer operating. i asked about the possibility of working with egypt or opening some other exit in the area that goes on israeli territory down to egypt. he said they couldn't discuss their diplomatic relations, but he wept on to talk about hamas and said they controlled that area for over a decade. he says they have started this. israel plans to finish it and he said that hamas is responsible for their citizens and while israel tries to mitigate civilian casualty, ultimately,

hamas started this. hamas is speedometer for the palestinians inside of gaza. and that israel plans to, quote, unquote, finish this. all that said, it's not true it's only one party to protect the lives of civilians based on the geneva conventions on all parties to limit as much as possible the toll that wars take on civilians. right now, we know in the northern part of gaza, 1.1 million palestinians told they need to evacuate within the next 24 hours, whenever that timeline started. but at the same time, we learned from idf this evening in the last 24 hours, some of their troops have launched counterer efforts in gaza to focus on some targeted terror cells with militants in that. it's a fluid situation that appears to be developing rapidly. only escalating from here and the truth with every war is that

the people who are often impacted the most are the ones have nothing to do with starting it. it's often civilians and often children and people who did not have a say, one way or the other. >> your reporting intersects almost exactly with u.s. secretary of defense lloyd austin had to say today on the ground there. me play some of his comments on exactly how sraeli forces in the military avoid what you're talking about. >> i have worked with israeli forces over the years, over many years, i wore a uniform for 41 years. my experience in working with israeli forces as they are professional, they are disciplined, and they are focused on the right things. so i expect that going forward,

they will continue to exhibit that same degree of professionalism that we have seen in the past. but we have seen this before. the international community fought isis, who was in some cases was embedded deeply and built up barriers. and that international coalition fought valiantly and protected civilians and created corridors for humanitarian movement in the midst of a pretty significant fight. so again, this is a professional force. it is well led. i have every expectation that it will disciplined. >> u.s. secretary of state antony blinken delivered a smart laes message yesterday. they hide themselves among civilian populations. any sense there's been real

concerns that we're sifting through propaganda in our efforts to put it in our reare on. that seems like a coordinated message. "morning joe" said compared to al quite da, he compared the slaughter of the israelis saying it was worse than what al qaeda did and drooibing hamas seems to be very much part of the sort of community of nations public messaging. >> we heard very quickly when all of this started israel talking about this comparing it to the united states what happened on 9/11. that probably is a conscious language choice as they are talking about the importance of humanitarian corridors, those have not been established yet. all of this started on saturday. it's friday now. there are no humanitarian corridors for civilians out of gaza. there's been no sorlt of agreement to create some sort of gap or timeframe for civilians to be able to leave.

hamas has not released the children. all of them are believed to have in captivity, some of them incredibly young children. that's been the focus of israelis is i they say some of that will identify differently. they identify as a leftist, they believe in a two-state solution, all that sort of stuff. they identify politically here to the left. but they said they thought that a ground assault was never necessary because of the fact that so many civilians, all civilians primarily were targeted so aggressively this weekend and that the only response could be to go in forcefully and get them out. that person said because of the density in gaza, we know there maybe civilian casualties. but because of what happened here, this needs to happen there. again, we're talking about civilians on all sides. i'm thankful i'm not the one that has to make a decision on how that the gets done. i can tell you what i see and

how it impacts people. when we're talking about the options of border crossings and saying getting people out, there's a crossing that leaves via the border with egypt, that is not open and egypt said that's because israeli airstrikes damaged it in the last couple days. they haven't been able go in and get to it to make repairs necessary to allow people out. even before that, it was not allowing anyone out for an emergency reason. it was only periodically allowing people out who had preapproval to cross that border. there's so many politics here. it's a complicated situation. and there are decades of things going back to make this as complicated as it is right now. but base level in this war, you have civilians on both sides that are dieing and losing their lives and that goes for israeli, for palestinians and there's not a solution with what's happening right now as israel seems to be on the verge of moving in any minute into gaza to try to help

get people out of that area. the u.n. is shelterering people in schools and hospitals they have there, but there's not any humanitarian safe zone to help people get out in this part in a southern part of israel, but north of where gaz a is a is, idf has been through most of the neighborhoods. we were in one earlier today and they are evacuated. the same thing is not happening for pal stint yabs. hamas is not doing that within the gaza territory. >> final thoughts as it all -- we're so grateful to have you there, but please stay safe. i wish i could put a helmet over all of you. idf spokesperson colonel jonathan. if you could just start by telling us what's happening. >> a few minutes ago, rockets were fired towards tel aviv and

other parts of israel. and hundreds of thousands, i would say maybe millions of israelis rushed to bomb shelters during the sha bottom dinner. and since then they have gone out of shelters, resumed either watching tv or worrying for sons and husbands who have been deployed in the military. and operations continue in gaza as well. we have called on civilians to vacate the northern part of the gaza strip out of a concern for their safety and according to the reports that i have, many gazaens are heeding that warning despite the fact that hamas is telling them not to. >> what is the -- if you can share with us, what is the military objective of whatever this eminent next phase is. is it the targeted killing of hamas, as i understand it to be?

>> the overall objective of this war is to dismantle hamas and its military capabilities. and what we're doing now at this stage is focusing on the city of gaza. we are focusing on that area because that is the center of operations of hamas. that is where the hub of their activity is. that's where most of their commanders are. most of their are resources, most of their weapons. and that is where most of the terrorists are also hiding as fights is ongoing. and what we have done is to ask, tell the civilians out of concern for your safety to leave because things are going to get much worse in gaza city. if you stay, you are endangering yourself. the next stage will be escalation, serious combat activities in gaza city, which will ensue, and we hope that the civilians will not be there because it is not our intention

or goal to kill civilians. we want them out of the combat zone. the more and the faster, the better. >> u.s. secretary of state antony blinken said today that israel has an obligation to defend itself. i just played the u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin making similar comments. comments j joe biden has said the same thing. support from the united states of america and adjacent to that is a lot of criticism ahead of this operation that is likely to endanger and kill civilians in gaza. how do you communicate the necessity of what is about to happen in response to the terrorist attack on saturday morning? >> let's break that down. we find ourselves in a war we didn't want, that was forced upon us by the most atrocious attack ever in our history.

that's how it started almost a week ago. suns they want we have regained control of our southern territory. we have rebuilt the border fence so the defense part of the operation has been more or less stabilized. now we are at the second stage which had is bringing the fighting to hamas. hamas is holding more than 100 israelis hostage, military and mostly civilians are in the hands of hamas. and what we are doing now is preparing to escalate our combat tufts in order to dismantle hamas and its military capabilities. that's our aim. >> your country is dealing with this historic shock, the largest number of jews slauhtered since the holocaust. it's a country at shock. it's a country preparing to

escalate the war. how would you describe the psyche of the men and women who have returned to israel to defend their country. >> what i have seen from personal accounts, friends and family, relatives that are now already back in israel, gearing up in uniform and ready to go to battle and what i have seen on social media is a blend of extreme sadness and frustration and anger at what hamas was able to do against our civilians, the atrocities. i don't want to tell about the executions and the beheadings and all of that horrible, horrible images that we have seen and spoken about. be but people are really immensed in that. and where people are now, they understand that this is not another round of fighting with

hamas. we are at war. we need to respond to this fundamentally different situation that we find ourseves in and we need to change our reality fundamentally for generations to come. many israelis understand that. mothers and fathers understand it. the men and women who are now in uniform understand it. i would say the level of commitment, resolve and focus to get the job done with hamas and dismantle their mir tail is unprecedented i'm also happy to say that at least what i can assess, the levels of national unity and pop coming together in the darkest of hours is also high. we draw a lot of comfort from that in the idf. and we intend to leverage all of that for achieving our military aim here against hamas. >> it's been said to me many

times since the beginning of the week that everybody in israel knows somebody, lost somebody, knows somebody that's been taken hostage. has this affected you? do you know somebody? >> yes, not only do i know soldiers and officer who were close friends of mine who are now either dead or missing, but also civilians from the area, a very close front end friend of mine, his father was executed at entrance to his home. if you ask around, all of the other soldiers here, they have either close friends or family. and my nearest relatives are now in uniform in the reserves. and they are getting ready for battle around the gaza strip. so it is an all hands on deck, literally speaking, on a national level. israel is gearing up and getting focused. i think that the common dement

nominator is that, yes, this touches everybody, nobody is disconnected from these atrocities. and the level of resolve and commitment is very high. we didn't want this. we didn't ask for this war. we're not blood thirsty. we only want to live in peace, but the situation here has become untenable and we are about to change it for a long time ahead. >> lieutenant colonel, thank you for spending time with us. stay safe. we're so sorry for your personal losses. >> thank you. i appreciate that. thank you. when we come back with a ground invasion happening now, families of the hostages and the missing israelis are left wondering what is next. what will happen next. we'll talk with an israeli who is waiting for word on four of her family members. plus president biden speaking with some of those wabs waiting for answers on loved ones. we'll talk about the biden administration's response and the top level cabinet members on

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israel is clearly preparing far possible ground invasion of gaza, a vital burning question is at the center of all of this. what does that mean for the hostages? authorities estimate that h mass

terrorists took between 100 and 150 people hostage and many israelis are missing. new reporting in the "washington post" using video analysis estimates att least 64 people were taken by the hamas terrorists into gaza. where they may still be held. others were only seen in israel or in locations for the families living through this nightmare. the agony is unimaginable. as they wait for news or sign that their loved ones will be returning to them. joining us now, four family members have been kidnapped by hamas. first, how are you doing? have you heard anything about your family? >> i didn't hear anything about my family other than my cousin that we know is dead.

>> and what was the first piece of information that you got on saturday morning. how did you learn of this terrible event. >> i learned because we had sirens. i live in tel aviv. we had sirens. we had rockets. we ran to the shelter. and my house and my windows in my house were broken. from this rocket in my street. so i had to flow to my mother outside of tel aviv. when we came here, we tried to call our family and they didn't answer. and then the hours passed until

we heard late at night that they are missing and not to be found anywhere. >> what sort of information have you received from the government? have they talked to you about what they are doing to keep hostages like your family members safe as the war escalates? >> the government didn't talk to us. >> what would you like them to know ahead of what looks like an eminent escalation? >> i want them to know they are okay. that they are safe. if they are alive. i want to know if they are wounded or injued my uncle can barely walk. he's not well. i need to know he's okay. they need medicine.

they need attention medic wise, maybe they are hurt. my cousin's son is only 9d years old. my uncles are 78 years old. they are old people. so i need to know they are okay. i need for someone to go inside and tell me they are okay and bring them back. >> what is the -- it feels like the trauma and the shock from saturday has widened to universal grief. it feels like everyone is marching toward what they know is necessary to eliminate the threat to civilians, more than a thousand civilians taken or murdered. but i wonder how you feel, and

if you could tell about how the israeli people were going about their lives friday and have woke up to this nightmare feel. >> our world collapsed. everything that we knew until now is collapsed. i want to tell you about my family. my family was kidnapped from my home which my parents built more than 70 years ago. and we thought that it is a safe place to live. and you cannot imagine how someone is going inside your house and massacre, what we had there is a massacre. they murdered, they butchered, they burned everything, they

stole everything. mine had 400 people. 80 people were kidnapped into gaza. children, babies, mothers, elderly people, it's ruined now. nothing is left. sorry. i feel that my world is not the same. nowhere is safe. how can you live when you feel and you know that there is no place safe for you. >> it's a terrible, i think about how i would feel as a

mother. i know that a lot of people who were not political, who were not -- who were hoping for peace are the very people who have been killed and terrorized. >> we are peaceful people. we want to live in peace. we want to live in peace with our neighbors. we don't have anything against civilians on the other side if they are innocent. i don't want anyone to die. but they want me to be dead. i don't want them to die. i want them to live and i want us to live together. but they don't want me to live. >> we will keep track of updates. we invite you to come back and share with us anything that you're learning or hearing or thinking as the days go on. thank you very much. for bringing your story.

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welcome to fun dining today the white house says that president biden spoke for more than an hour with the family members of americans still unaccounted for in the wake of the terrorist attack by hamas on saturday. in an interview with 60 minutes, the president spoke about the importance of talking to those families. >> why do you feel so strongly about speaking to these families personally on zoom? >> because i think they have to know the president of the united states cares teeply about what's hpd to them. we have to communicate to the world this is critical. this is not even human behavior. and we're going to do everything in our power to get them home if we can find them. >> the unfolding conflict is a major test now for president

biden and his administration. so far some say he's pvided moral clarity in the midst of a chaotic and tragic rapidly evolving situation. "washington post" editorial board writes, his words regarding the wanton atrocities hamas committed against hundreds of civilians as well as many americans and citizens of other countries in the past week have been ub equivocal. in remarks to a gathering of american jewish leaders wednesday, he described the mass murder as sheer aefl and likened it to the worst acrossties of isis. in condemning the terrorism and offering support to israel's military response, the president reminded the new mnch war government under prime minister benjamin netanyahu of its responsibilities under the laws of war. these measured statements put the united states in just the right place, supportive of israel, but positioned to influence and temper its

response. joining our coverage is jeremy bash. and former deputy national security a adviser to president obama, our friendbone rhodes is here. jeremy, i don't want to narrow your remarks to where we start ed from, so from your two posts at the cia and defense department, what would you guess is going on inside u.s. national security agencies right now and i'll give you a two-parter. i would love to hear your thoughts about president biden as well. >> at the defense department, with the secretary of defense in the region today, a key is going to be to increase deterrence, to make it clear to iran, which other actors in the region, if it they jump into this war between israel and hamas, the united states has srael's back. and that means we have forces in the region at a ready posture. we have weaponry and personnel. we are transmitting clear

messages to our allies. i have to give credit to the president for being so clear, for being so resolute, for being so explicit that the united states is on israel's side in this war and any other country that seeks to try to jump into this war is going to meet the business end of the united states military. at the cia, i can only imagine how focused they are on several different missions. first of all, locating american hostages, pinpointing their location, working with the israelis and other partners in the region to figure out if there's any information they can glean about their whereabouts. second, analyzing the threats to u.s. personnel, to u.s. interests in the region, and third, trying to understand exactly how this war might unfold and how it might affect our allies, our partners and our interests. this is a very busy time inside

the intelligence community and defense department. as for president biden's work here this week, hoppestly, this has been the most consequential statement about israel, about the middle east that any world leader has ever given. i'm referring to president biden's speech earlier in the week. it's why he's being cheered in the streets tel aviv. it's why secretary blinken's visit was so emotional. it's why israelis believe the united states has their back. so the moral clarity, the straight forwardness, the resolute approach by u.s. officials, i think has been absolutely the right tone, the right focus, the right substance and i expect it to continue. >> the moral clarity includes specific articulationings of what is clearly going to be front and center in the next phase. and there's a live picture on your screen in case you can't see it.

and that is secretary of state antony blinken made clear yesterday that civilians in gaza are in large part at risk because hamas hides behind the civilian population. hamas hides their weapons inside the civilian centers. the hospital being out of power is the tragedy. but there's a lot of power where hamas is head quartered in gaza. the secretary of state, the success tear of defense and the president seem to be part of this moral clarity, seems to be explaining hamas. they have used comparisons toist skpis al qaeda. that seems deliberate. >> i think this war is different than previous wars. fst and it's because hamas committed a mass atrocity directed against israel and the jewish people. and it's the largest loss of life since the holocaust. for all those reasons, there's

absolutely a necessity to make clear where the united states stands. i would just add with respect to the overall situation in gaza, i think the united states can be many things at the time. we can say we support israel, we support the need for israel to go after hamas. we support the people of israel and we also understand that the people of gaza are innocent victims. and that they are innocent victims because hah has has chosen to embed themselves, which is a war crime. but for which the people are innocent victims. we can say that, we can offer humanitarian assistance and coordinate that with other countries in the region. that's what the jiets is going to be doing. >> it strikes me that some of the people that could alleviate the suffering in the strip are the egyptians, the saudis, what is happening behind the scenes? you were in the white house. you have dealt with these issues. how do you get the people and the places that could help to do

so? >> if you lack at secretary blinken's itinerary, east going to just about every major country in the region. i'm sure this is top of the agenda. with respect to the egyptians. >> ben, i want to fix your audio. let us fix your audio. >> can you hear us? >> we want to fix your audio. i don't want to miss anything. we'll come to back to you. jeremy, you want to field this for me. what kind of pressure or persuasion is being placed on the egyptians to take care of the innocent civilians. >> i want to hear ben's analysis as well. i would add that egypt has alignment to hamas. and gaza borders egypt, and

ultimately the solution for humanitarian corridor is going to evolve egypt in the crossing border. that's the way that assistance is going to go in and people are going to go out. i think ultimately gaza is going to have to be a demilitarized zone. i don't think there's any option for gaza to remain ungoverned space. that's going to be unacceptable to the united states. so egypt has to play a central role. also the leadership of hamas is going to have to play a role. is and frankly, there are 22 arab countries in the middle east and they should face some responsibility for providing for the palestinian people. provide humanitarian assistance and a place to go, if in fact, they are being -- those people are being held hostage as well. and so i think the solution here

is going to be regional. ultimately at the end of the day, israel certainly can't be responsible for this. israel doesn't want to have a long-term occupation of the gazs is a strip. they tried that between 1967 and 2006. and it didn't work. and i think most israelis believe that leaving gaza was the right call. and if hamas is defeated and decapitated and the infrastructure is eliminated, maybe there could be a place for palestinians to live there. but as long as terrorists are sitting on top of the population centers, i just don't see it. >> weaver going to make sure we have ben's audio up and running. a quick break. we'll be back in just a real quick second. a real quick second

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what can be done to prevent regional escalation. those warnings to iran, to hezbollah, to stay out of this are very important. i'm sure there are conversations happening in places like qatar about what can be ton to try to identify hostages and potentially broker hostage releases. questions about humanitarian circumstances in gaza. what can be done what resources can be provided from the gulf and other countries in egypt to potentially alleviate what could be a severe humanitarian situation in gaza. on top of all the trauma brought about by the horrific attack by hamas, there are all these questions about where does this end? how far is israel going to go? is it going to be a reoccupation of gaza? or focused effort to dismantle the military wing of hamas? during those military operations, is there risk of schags from hezbollah or through violence on the west bank? what is going to be the mood across the arab world? so these are all complicated dynamics that the biden administration is trying to manage while israel is gearing up for what looks like a ground

offensive. you have to do that work now. because once this thing does begin to escalate, you have to have plans in place, resources in place, lines of communication open to keep partners -- >> now we've lost him again. we're going to try to get him back. jeremy, one more for you. you said this, and i'll always remember where i was the first time i saw someone say this on saturday. it is the deadliest slaughter of jewish human beings since the holocaust. it's day six, and every time i hear that sentence, i physically move in my chair. we come together and have a lot of conversations around my table about anti-semitism creeping into the fabric of the republican party, about permission structures existing for it in united states politics. but i don't know that i thought i would sit in this chair and anchor the second-largest number

of jewish people slaughtered since the holocaust. it's an impossible thing to say. how does that -- what do we do with that? how does that impact jewish people all over the world? >> nicole, you know -- i came home yesterday, and my teenage daughter said to me, "should i take off my jewish star? should i not wear that? because i don't want to be threatened." you say to a kid -- you should be proud of who you are, you should feel safe, you should feel secure. and this assault this atrocity, absolutely shattered it. shattered it for people we know in israel. and i have to also say it's also heartbreaking to see the way it's shattering lives in gaza. because there are innocent people there as well. and so for the -- all americans who are kind of watching this and trying to make sense of this, i think -- i agree that

this is just the most consequential hinge in history we've seen in the middle east in a very long time. and it's going to be absolutely necessarily for the united states to continue to show world leadership. to stand up for our interests, which include defending our allies, which include preventing a wider war, but also stand up for our values. our values to combat hate, to promote freedom, to let people live in security in dignity, so they can gather on a friday night or saturday morning with their family in their house of worship and not be forced into bomb shelters, not be forced to defend themselves against a terrorist attack, a pogrom, an assault. something we haven't seen since the previous century. i sincerely hope -- it may sound somewhat cheesy, but that people of good will all around the world rally to support israel, rally to support innocent life in the middle east, and really try this time to root out

terrorism and hate once and for all. we will -- none of us will have security. you know the poem, first they came tort trade unionists but i did not speak up because i wasn't a trade unionist. they've come for people in the middle east. if we don't speak up they're coming for us. they're coming for you, they're coming to me. >> to that point, there is a threat. there's a threat alert. there are people that have canceled school today. there are people who canceled other things in new york today. it's -- the threat is already here. what do we do about that? >> i think that's where communities have to partner with government. this is a shared responsibility between every community, every academic institution, the private sector, and government. to continue to be vigilant, to continue to root out and combat hate, to educate people, to combat lies and misinformation that circulates on the internet. to educate our children about

tolerance ask the importance of security. this is a generational challenge, and it's something i believe the american people are up to this challenge. i believe we can do this. i believe, as a nation of immigrants, a nation that has historically striven to protect minority rights. obviously not always living up to that in very stark terms, but this is ingrained in our values as a country. i believe we can meet this moment. >> your opt simple is exactly what i need at 4:56 in the east. we apologize we couldn't work out our gremlins. we'll bring ben rhodes back as soon as we can. thanks to both of you for spending time with us today. it is nearing midnight in israel and gaza. explosions seem to be picking up in the skies above gaza. we'll have a live report from my colleague, nbc's raf sanchez, after a short break.

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york. it's midnight in israel and gaza. meaning we have just crossed the 24-hour deadline that israel gave in its warning to civilians in northern gaza that they should evacuate to areas in the south. a warning that applies to more than 1.1 million people, but one that hamas urged those in gaza to ignore. israel's ground invasion seemingly could come any minute. it's in retaliation for saturday's heinous terror attack. and to bring home the 150 hostages who were taken into gaza by those terrorists. already the idf announced it has struck hamas military targets in a, quote, extensive attack following another statement by israel's military that they have had troops in gaza the past 24 hours, quote, conducting localized raids on the ground in an effort to eliminate the threat of terrorists and weapons in the area and locate hostages. israel has been shooting rockets into gaza since saturday. neighborhoods have been leveled,

hundreds of thousands of people displaced, and more than 1,900 palestinians have been killed. hospitals and resources in gaza pushed to the brink as the situation continues to deteriorate. the u.n. has begged israel to stop their demand that people in gaza relocate, fearing a humanitarian disaster. complicating the situation, the urgency to find and get to safety the hostages taken from israel on saturday into gaza during the terror attack. with americans potentially among those taken hostage, president joe biden wanted to assure the families of those still unaccounted for. he spoke with family members of the 14 americans still missing. the united states since the attack has sent a clear signal to its ally, israel, of its stalwart support. we saw secretary of stateableny blinken visit with leaders and survivors yesterday. today, defense secretary lloyd austin visited with his israeli counterpart. here is secretary austin calling out the horrors that hamas

terrorists committed. >> this is no time for neutrality or for false equivalence or for excuses for the inexcusable. there is never any justification for terrorism. as a former commander of central command, the deliberate cruelty of hamas vividly reminds me of isis. bloodthirsty, fanatical, and hateful. and like isis, hamas has nothing to offer but zealotry, bigotry, and death. >> we begin the hour with nbc news foreign correspondent, my colleague raf sanchez in southern israel. take us through what you're seeing and hearing. >> reporter: nicole that midnight deadline is upon us. and there is a sort of eerie calm here in southern israel.

we don't know at this point whether this is the calm before the storm, but i can tell you, at this time yesterday we were hearing very, very loud explosions out of gaza, percussive thumps that were shaking the glass even where we are here. it is possible that israel feels it has sufficiently softened up, as it were, hamas' positions inside of gaza now from the air and that it is calling off its air campaign and beginning to move its ground forces in. but it may also be that this deadline for the civilian population of the northern half of gaza to move is not necessarily the same as the military deadline for israeli forces to start rolling in. so a couple of things here. prime minister netanyahu appeared about 2 1/2 hours ago on israeli television. a previously unscheduled set of remarks. unusual for him to appear at this time on a friday night when shabbat is already upon us, and a lot of people across israel

assumed the israeli leader was appearing to address the nation and announce the start of this ground offensive inside gaza. instead, he sort of rallied the country. he used a lot of rhetoric about his determination to smash hamas. but that announcement that the ground offensive had begun did not come. we did learn earlier on that israeli special forces have been operating on the other side of the gaza border earlier on today. the israeli military says a unit, covert unit, engaged in firefights with israel -- with hamas militants on the other side of the border. but also said that they were looking for any sign as to the location of the hostages, that they were gathering evidence inside gaza. we don't know exactly what that means, whether they were seeking to capture hamas officials who might have information, whether they were physically scoping the area, trying to understand where

the tunnels are, where we think that these hostages are being held. but at this time, it does not -- as far as we know, the ground offensive is not yet beginning. that is of no reassurance to the civilians in gaza who received this stark, stark warning from the israeli military at this time last night. the northern part of gaza is the more densely populated part. and israel's military says it is also the part where hamas military sites are concentrated. but as you said, the united nations is making very, very clear, there is no way to ask 1 million people to move south with no notice, where there is no refuge set up for them. the borders of gaza, as we've discussed many times, are sealed. there is nowhere for them to run. they're certainly not coming into israel. egypt does not want a flow of palestinian refugees coming in. the united nations is pleading

with israel to revoke its threat of moving ahead after midnight. as you said, they are warning of a humanitarian disaster if israel moves forward. >> it's not been one week since all of israel and all the world woke up to what jeremy bash just reminded us was the largest slaughter of jewish people since the holocaust. what is the national psyche? >> reporter: you know, a lot of things are true at once, nicole. there is a sort of stunned sense of national unity in this country. a sense that americans might remember from the period after the 9/11 attacks. there is a lot of anger at what was clearly a series of failures by the israeli intelligence community, by the israeli military. as far as some people are concerned, this was a political failure. we have seen videos going viral in the last couple of days of

angry citizens confronting government ministers who they feel let the country down. but primarily, nicole, there is just a shattered sense that a lot of things that israelis thought they knew last week, they no longer are confident about. the sense that, for the most part, for all the dangers in the middle east, that they were fairly safe here. the sense that the problems inside gaza could be kept on the other side of the fence. that it was possible to look in another direction and pretend that there wasn't a strip of territory run by a group committed to the destruction of this country. so there is deep, deep scarring. and people in this country sometimes talk about epigenetics. the idea of inherited trauma. many people in israel are the descendents of holocaust survivors. they're interested in knowing, what are they carrying physically from their grandparents, from their

parents? i think there's a lot of new trauma being etched in these days. >> you know, to a person, every mother or daughter or uncle of a -- i've mostly been speaking with family members of hostages -- has said, i'm not political, i just want peace, i always thought m should make peace. but now i feel differently. but i also hear what you're talking about. this feeling of just being shattered. of everything that they -- and security is usually an illusion anyway. we woke up to a heightened threat level in this country. i think people are grappling with the illusion of safety, the illusion of security. and i wonder how the leaders there are being respectful of that, or is it all sort of being harnessed to support whatever happens next? >> it's a really good question, nicole. the rhetoric from prime minister

netanyahu is of a leader who is trying to wrap himself in the mantle of war leadership. he did actually today speak to some of the families of people who have been taken hostage, which is interesting, because as you say, it's been a week now. president biden, despite having far fewer of his citizens captive in gaza, cleared out a very large chunk of presidential time, which you know is the most valuable commodity in washington, to talk to the families of american hostages. prime minister netanyahu did that today. he's obviously a man who has his plate full, but i've got to tell you, no one has sketched out what the day after looks like in gaza. >> right. >> it is one thing to get up and give a speech and promise massive retaliation and promise that hamas will be smashed. but there will still be 2 million palestinians inside of gaza on the other side of this war, potentially with a very

serious loss of life. but no one has been able to explain what the plan is. is israel truly going to go back in and reoccupy gaza? a territory that it left back in 2005? is it going to try to install the palestinian authority, the sclerotic, almost universally despised palestinian authority that is sort of in control in the west bank? because the palestinian authority was briefly in control in gaza after 2005. and first they lost an election to hamas, then they lost a brief and very bloody civil war to hamas. and that's how we got to where we are now. no one has any good long-term answers. so i think for now, people are in a sense in their comfort zone of talking about destroying their enemies, but not really talking about the structures that might bring some kind of long-term peace. nicole? >> raf, we're so lucky to get to talk to you, to get to send our questions your way. as the night goes on, please

stay safe and thank you again. really, thank you. >> thank you. joining ours conversation, former israeli ambassador to the u.s., former foreign deputy minister of israel danny ayalon. please tell us what your -- whatever you can share about what the next hours will entail. >> well, nicole, i think it's quite simple. you know, it's horrible what's happening on the ground, but it can be very simple. because what we are doing now is actually using the same yard stick as we do with our own population. we evacuated our population from the southern border, all those who were devastated, because we want them to be out of harm's way. we want the same thing for the

gazans. those not involved with hamas, just leave the area. why leave the area? so we can confront hamas and just pretty much do away with them as a military force. now, where would they go? well, a vast expanse of land on the other side of the border, the egypt side in the desert. now, it is true, it's an enormous task. but it's not unprecedented. just a few years ago when assad of syria butchered his own population, 4 million fled syria, 2 million crossed the border to turkey. and turkey hosted them. they built -- they gave them shelter and food and water, a tent city ask all that. that could be done in the sinai with the help of egypt and the international community. and this could really save and spare them all the death and the

killing and will spare just their lives. this is what israel suggests now, just to create a safe passage, humanitarian corridor for them to leave. hamas, of course, doesn't want them to leave because hamas uses them as human shields. hamas has been perpetrating this, if you will, double war crime since 2007 when they took gaza in a coup against the palestinian authority. and since then, they are shelling and killing all these civilians in israel and using their own civilians as human shields. it's a horrible situation. you know, it's very hard, very hard to win in a clear, clean way, i would say. but we have no other choice. and we want to just mitigate, we want to make sure that civilians will not be harmed. this is why we want to arrange this safe passage.

this is why hamas doesn't want them to leave. >> our secretary of state, antony blinken, has made this point in public press conferences two days in a row now in three different stops about the hamas tactics. i wonder if i could ask you, as a very experienced diplomat, if prime minister netanyahu is the right guy to get egypt to do something uncomfortable for itself. and open up this refugee camp for the civilians living in gaza? >> i'm not sure, i'm not sure. by the way, we are all united behind the government. this is why an emergency cabinet was formed. so we are much more comfortable now about it, so the egyptians should be now more comfortable as well. now, there is no doubt the egyptians will not be happy with it. but what is the alternative? the alternative could be worse.

either lives will be lost, or if it's not done in a safe passage, an organized manner, there is going to be a stampede. hundreds of thousands of gazans will storm the border with egypt and just move over to the other side without any organized fashion. this is why we believe that this is the only way for the egyptians to also come up, step up to the plate, do the right thing for themselves. there's no real harm that, you know -- there's no real compromise of their own interests. quite the contrary. and of course, the burden of the economics here will be borne by the international community. >> mr. ambassador, there's new reporting in our country that our intelligence agencies, the cia, had some very general, nonspecific -- i want to be careful to get this exactly right. nothing specific, but "the new

york times" has reported a pr of classified cia intelligence repo issued in the days ahead the terrorist attack warned about a potential escalation. what sort of -- i mean, i think there is an ethos of brutal candor in your country. what sort of after action report, in your view, is necessary to reassure your own civilian population? >> well, first of all, you know, what happened was a failure. intelligence failure. not in the collection of data. we had all the data. what we didn't -- we didn't interpret it in the right way. we thought they were doing a drill, and it was a mistake. the army was not deployed, it was a holiday, shabbat saturday, on top of that a high holiday, the eighth day of sukkot, the tabernacle. they were not there to be seen.

this hamas in a surprise attack, who did they confront? they confronted babies and old ladies and families in homes that they butchered. this is what they boasted. and what really is now so infuriating is that they and some of their supporters around the world says it's fake news. they're not sure that they butchered and beheaded babies. well, we know they did because we brought the independent foreign press that took all the data, and we say, you know -- and they themselves, nicole, the hamas people themselves, there's no end to their brutality and barbarism. they themselves videotaped themselves doing the horrible things. there's no doubt about it. when the military regrouped, took awhile, 24 hours, then they were pushed back. but at the end of the day, what i think we will have to seek a political solution, there's no doubt about it. not with hamas.

not hamas as it is now, a terror organization like isis. their manifesto is destruction of the jewish state. there's no equivocation about it. they will have to be, let's say, eliminated as a military entity. i don't think we can dismantle them as a political or their ideology, unfortunately, is a jihadist ideology that still lives in the hearts and minds of many muslims. and this is something that we will have to address. but at the end of the day, we would like to see the gazan people live in peace, the israelis moving back to their home, to their homes on the border towns, and have some sort of, let's say, if not full peace, but some kind of existing, coexistence until there is a time that, right enough, that the moment will be

conducive for a real long-term peace agreement. >> i mean, you're getting at exactly what raf sanchez just said, there are very few people even communicating what happens next. i think you just explained that it's multiple phases. it's not a quick fix for anybody. and so many of your civilians and so many palestinian civilians now in danger. i really appreciate your wisdom and your candor, mr. ambassador. thank you for spending time with us. please stay safe. >> my pleasure, nicole, thank you. when we come back, rising fears that the horrific terror attacks in israel could spill over and threaten places around the world, here at home too. there are new protections at schools and synagogues and jewish centers. security concerns mount and law enforcement looks to keep all americans safe. we'll examine the threat and what is being done about it right now next. with the mideast in crisis, republicans are still looking

for someone, anyone, really anyone, to be their speaker. today they nominated jim jordan. he's far short of the votes he needs to win a floor vote, which means the house is right back where it started. we'll get to the chaos on capitol hill at this most dangerous time on the planet later in the hour.

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as we cover events overseas, there are efforts under way in communities all across our country to enhance protections for jewish houses of worship, jewish-owned businesses, israeli diplomatic buildings.

this week, a former hamas leader called for a global day of anger, today, in support of the hamas terror attack on israelis. multiple law enforcement officials tell nbc news they're monitoring "a lot of chatter on social media" about retaliatory attacks. at the moment, none of the online threats are specific and credible according to three officials. still in an effort to make people feel safe and perhaps make them feel safe, cities are taking precautions. in new york, nypd has the entire force in uniform and on patrol. they will monitor gatherings other potentially vulnerable areas. same in washington, d.c. federal agencies there are adding security at the israeli embassy and other potential targets. crucially, at the white house, attorney general merrick garland says he briefed president joe biden and his national security team on the threat of terrorism here at home. joining our coverage, mary mccord, former top official in the justice department's national security division.

former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi, frank negluzi is here. frank, what does this look like when a hamas leader who may have supporters and followers all over the place through social media calls for a day of anger? how do you protect against what -- how that's received? >> looks a lot like what is described in the united states which we have to take seriously. through history the last three decades of tensions between palestine and israel leading to hate crimes and anti-semitic actions here in the united states. you can look back at october of 2000, which set a single-month record for the number of documents hate crimes that came right after what's called the second intefadeh between

palestine and israel. i could point you to other examples as well. fbi director chris wray met with about 5,000 jewish community leaders in a system called the secure communities network, reassured them of what the fbi is doing with local state and county law enforcement. it's smart to see the increased security posture. the real question, i think, in the intelligence and law enforcement communities, not so much getting through today, which we're almost through this so-called day of rage or day of jihad, but rather, what happens when this becomes a protracted war? what happens if hezbollah becomes engaged in this? what if iran becomes engaged? there are so many moving pieces in this that affect us here domestically. i point to hezbollah because they have a reach and a capacity well beyond the middle east.

hamas does not. and so, you know, the history of fbi investigations in the united states of hamas have been largely fund-raising related. identifying charities that are really fronts for the terrorist portion of hamas and shutting them down. even designating them, like the holy land foundation, for example, years ago. designating them as terror organizations. shutting them down. but hezbollah's a different story. and they can hurt people, they can hurt people in the west, and they're well-armed and well-trained. so watch carefully. you'll see the u.s. government, are we putting anybody on the ground? we've heard rumors, fbi hostage rescue teams on the ground, u.s. military special ops on the ground. got to be very careful about that. because boots on the ground, american boots on the ground, really create another scenario and much higher risk regarding iran and hezbollah and the rest of the middle east toward us. >> frank, we talk about the

domestic violence extremism threat and intersection with domestic politics. donald trump yesterday called hezbollah "really smart." what does that do? >> yeah. well, i'll tell you what's concerning some of the law enforcement partners i've spoken with in the last 24 hours. this far-right domestic angle. i think it's understandable to think, well, the threat's got to be from pro-palestinian people. islamic -- islamists and muslims. well, i beg to differ. because what's happening in these violent extremist domestic chat rooms is talk about anti-semitism, which we've already dealt with this past year. it's been horrific. and now they're talking about using this as an excuse to lash out and to blame it on muslims, but rather, to execute crimes and vandalism and violence here and blame it on muslims. it's an opportunistic concern that this will get exploited by

other folks. >> mary, how do -- i should point out, i believe we've all been on together. the justice department has charged iranians for attempted assassinations here in this country. so their reach, to frank's point about the lethal danger of iran and hezbollah, is well taken and even scarier. mary, i wonder if you can pull back the curtain on how the federal government is looking at these threats and social media activity on a day like today? >> i think the federal government -- i think this was included in the fbi and dhs joint statement either yesterday or the day before. they're going to be looking at the potential for heightened attacks, not just against jewish places of worship, jewish people, but also against palestinians and all muslims. because this is the kind of war right now going on, brought on by a terrorist attack by a terrorist organization, but that has caused people to feel very,

very strongly about the other -- what they perceive to be the other side. and as frank was just alluding to, it has also been like catnip for the far-right. because, you know, white nationalists, white supremacists in this country, they're anti-semitic, they're anti-muslim, they're anti-palestinian. and so this is, for them, the opportunity to continue to vilify these groups that have already been marginalized in this country. both groups have faced terrible discrimination triggered by different events in recent history and ancient history, but recent history as well. and so i think we could see targeting of both -- i should say all three. palestinians, muslims as a larger community, and jewish people. all of their places of worship. we could see targeting them by white nationalists. both for acts of violence, but

also targeting them in the online spaces. we're seeing today the reporting i'm getting from the online researchers with whom i work, are that the level of violence in social media posts, regardless of viewpoint, is very, very off the charts. and there's also violence being lobbed at people who are trying to take more neutral positions. it's really a very dangerous space right now. and what we know is that dangers online, in online spaces, can create dangerous and violent activity on the ground. and so i'm particularly concerned about that. i think the fbi and all of the -- department of justice, dhs, is also and should be concerned about that. they should be stepping up their vigilance around places of worship. again, both jewish places of worship, muslim places of worship, to make sure that these places will not fall victim to

attack. they should be reaching out to communities to say that, we are here to protect. in this country, we have civil discourse about things, we do not resort to violence. >> mary, we -- >> supposed to be. >> the way it's supposed to be. we talk i think in another time about this notion of turning the temperature down. when you have a vacuum of moral leader -- i would say that the president of the united states is not in this category. i think he's exhibited very clear moral leadership. on all these issues. as a senator, as a vice president, and since the terror attack on saturday in israel. and there's 30, 40% of the country that thinks joe biden isn't the duly elected president of the united states. and that's the population that intersects with many of the previous known domestic violent extremist threat we've talked about. i wonder if we've been here before, at a place where there

isn't a lot of moral leadership on the right in our politics. if we've been in a place before where there's growing acceptance of political violence in that same swath of the american public? >> so, you know, in recent history, i haven't seen anything quite like where we're at right now. and partly, i think that is because the use of the internet and all of its platforms, whether it's publicly accessible social media or private chat rooms where people who are like-minded, including like-minded extremists, can talk amongst themselves and spin each other up. we've never had that, the impact of that ability to communicate with so many people so quickly. bring people into silos and incite them. we haven't had that before. even if we've had times where we may have lacked in the leadership we would have wanted. i think that exacerbates things very dramatically.

but you know, right now, we -- we're seeing things spill out off of those online spaces. we've seen conflicts on campuses in new york city. i know columbia university, basically they had a shutdown to the public. they weren't particularly physically violent attacks but a lot of screaming and shouting. i've watched some videos today taken of people really saying horrible things. and i'm not -- we certainly -- president biden has come out there have been others who have come out and made statements. but i think we do have to acknowledge, at the highest levels, political violence, terrorism, that is absolutely outside the rule of law. that here we can have honest and heartfelt debates about the many decades-old israeli/palestinian conflict. but this was an attack by a terrorist group, hamas. there are both jewish people have you evering and palestinians who don't support

hamas who are suffering. we need to keep in mind the potential for so much death and suffering here across that entire country. >> frank, i want to ask you a practical question. new york city, not a stranger to terror attacks and the terror threat. and people across -- nonpolitical, nonmedia walks of life don't know whether we should feel safe here. jeremy bash said in the last hour that his daughter wasn't sure if she should wear her identifying symbols of being jewish. what is your practical advice to people? >> so there's some good news here that's encouraging, which is law enforcement is on top of this, really throughout the united states. and if you're living in a smaller community and you don't see that kind of presence at places of worship, madrass,

muslim schools, mosques, synagogues, hebrew schools, talk to your chief of police. talk to your sheriff. say, hey, what's going on with this? the fbi and dhs have engaged with state and local county law enforcement and said, yes, it is prudent to raise the threat level. everyone's got to do what they feel is right for their comfort level and where they live, but this is not a time to retreat. i advise people, think carefully about going to protests. because protests are soft targets. one piece of advice i have, if you're going to exercise that freedom of speech and assembly, do so smartly. stay toward the edge of the crowd. understand where exits are. how you'll get out. stay in communication with people. if you're organizing some kind of a protest or march, make sure you factor security in. and contact the law enforcement authorities in your town to say, we're doing this we'd love to have you along with us.

that's important as we go forward. >> mary mccord and frank fegluzzi, thank you so much. when we come back, at a time of dire life-and-death events and decisions being made in and around and about the middle east, the republicans do not have a speaker in the one chamber that they control in the house in congress. even though republicans have selected their guy, it is jacketless jim jordan, they made that choice late today. we'll tell you about all that when we come back. (sean) i wish for the amazing new iphone 15 pro! (jason) sean! do you mean this one - the one with titanium? switch to verizon, you can trade in any iphone, and get the new iphone 15 pro on them. (vo) it's your last chance to trade in any iphone

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house republicans have chosen to triple down on the chaos. triple down on the dysfunction. and triple down on the extremism. >> that was house minority leader hakeem jeffries reacting to how amid a global crisis that is ununfolding in the middle east, the u.s. house of representatives remains leaderless and in chaos with no end in sight to their manufactured mayhem. last hour, the republican house caucus elected maga loyalist jim jordan as their next speaker designee. that was after steve scalise, who the republicans had elected as speaker designee two days ago, bowed out amid attacks about his health. he didn't secure enough votes to win anyway.

if all of this sounds eerily familiar, it's because it is. happened in january. it's still very much unclear whether jim jordan has the votes he would need to win a floor vote to become the speaker of the house after 55 republicans said they would vote against him in a full house floor vote. joining our coverage, nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. joining us, former congressman from florida, msnbc political analyst, david jolly. ali, they're getting weird. nancy mace is wearing a fabric sew-on letter. i saw congressman raskin had an interesting tweet tweet. "when i was diagnosed with cancer, my colleagues rallied around me." they used it as a smear against steve scalise. as awful as they are for american democracy, they're horrible to each other. >> no love lost if they're falling themselves a family here. we added this little tracker to our live blog that they've been ten days and 59 minutes and 12

seconds without a house speaker. that is stunning. we thought the most crazy and historic thing we had seen was kevin mccarthy getting ousted. but this, i think, may take the cake. because at every turn, it seems like they run into a brick wall. we are now at the second person that they've nominated in basically three days to be the speaker designee. jordan didn't earn that many more votes this time as he did 48 hours ago. in my conversations with my republican sources, there is a lot of disappointment and a lot of frustration because they thought that jordan would get at least 150 votes coming out of this closed-door conference. maybe that would be enough for him to ride some momentum to an immediate house floor vote. but quite frankly, as soon as he came out with 124 votes from behind closed doors, there was just a screeching halt to any idea that they might be voting. now, other people are saying that it's because there's attendance issues and certainly we're playing a numbers game

here. but one person texted me in the last few minutes saying, we just need to elect a speaker. it sounds like it should be so simple, but it is so difficult when you have every single member of this conference being able to pull in whatever direction they want. they can't even be lobbied bloc by bloc. it's not like the speaker designee is going to five members and assuaging their concerns or 15 members and get them on board. that's not how this is working. this is individual by individual. exactly the chaos that we saw in january. setting the tone for what we're seeing right now. >> so ali, we put up your little clock. i love it so much. we had a manu sight chig love so much, tell him i said hi. >> close quarters here. >> let me ask you what they're fighting about? to me, from where i sit, they're all election -- they're so extreme that the idea there are divisions among the extremists is odd to me. >> there are divisions, though. when you look at the fact that austin scott from georgia, who i got so many text messages from

democrats today being like, i'm googling this guy in realtime. he was not someone who had a whip operation, which he reminded me as he was leaving the room. he still managed to garner over 80 votes behind closed doors. just as someone who could be a stand-in as, hey, i'm not jim jordan, here's your other option. he is a different kind of republican in that he is not someone, like jim jordan, who carries the baggage in the same way of january 6th. jim jordan, not only a close ally of the former president, but defied a subpoena from the january 6th committee amid other things. i remember following him during that stonewalling. asking him how it would manifest when he became a chairman who could issue his own subpoenas and expect them to be respected. clearly there's no irony left in this building, because we've almost lost that plot line. but that's something that's real about jim jordan as someone who moderates may struggle to get behind. and clearly 80 or so members of this republican conference were saying, hey, i would rather not

have to vote for this guy. they did do a second ballot, which is kind of the same question but also not the same question. they made them vote after voting on the binary, on if they brought this to the floor, would members vote for jim jordan? this was still a secret ballot, but 152 of them said they would vote for jim jordan. that's a better number. but still far from 217. that's a really big problem. >> i mean, i'm not good at house republican politics, but i'm better at math. that's many, many -- i have to ask you, you know -- i have to ask about the other guy. i googled him. i have to sneak in a break. i want to bring david jolly on this. i feel he predicted all of this many months ago. a quick break.

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second vote was the test vote to see how close to 217 jim jordan is. he's about 65 votes short. so i wouldn't expect that he could get over the finish line. there's a lot of talk about, do you have some type of coalition? i'm not sure we're there yet. i would say the one thing to look for -- they're going to keep punching themselves in the face, nominating candidates that can't get there. one thing to look for before a real coalition with the democrats would be a temporary caretake letter are is that patrick mchenry, who sticks around and the house agrees to give him additional authorities? or tom foal from oklahoma is in the mix but he doesn't scratch the itch of the firebrands, more a caretaker and institutionalist. perhaps somebody like that begins to be talked about as somebody that will be speaker for 14 months and house republicans can roll the dice that they're going to have a big majority after the next election. otherwise, on strict ideology and camaraderie, i don't think there's a canned did it that gets to 217. >> i don't want to let these -- i know idealogical, a personal

fan of steve scalise, that he has a storied role as plit calf victim of political violence, a respected figure. he was smeared by some of the members kevin mccarthy holds closest and dearest, like marjorie taylor greene, for having cancer. what does it say about the state of the house republican caucus, david jolly? >> some of the members are absolutely vile. what else do you say? frankly, i think donald trump engaged in it himself. i think even jim jordan's apparatus, if you will, as a competitor to scalise at the time, allowed it. didn't put it to bed. and so this is where distrust really comes in among the caucus, as well as the vitriol and hard feelings. there is hatred among republican members, and there should be when you see them engage in that type of smear tactic against steve scalise. >> ali vitali, i think what

david is talking about is donald trump calling hezbollah very smart. did they run to you to get on camera and microphones and condemn that? or were they slow to do that, as they sometimes are with a donald trump statement? >> i know you know the answer to this. which is, no. they didn't come find me to try to condemn that. i think kevin mccarthy even was on fox in the immediate 24 hours after trump made those comments and basically said, well, i haven't heard trump speak like that, tried to sort of explain him away, as he has often done when trump has said extremely controversial things in the past. that's the mccarthy m.o. i think to circle back to the idea that there are shades of differences between the candidates that republicans are putting forward, at least with austin scott you have someone who, on january 6th, said hey, i know that this shouldn't be shocking, but said hey, we don't actually have the right to decertify the results of the election just because we want to. he is someone whos a very small piece of the conference who didn't say that

the election results were bogus and who didn't try to overturn them. i do think that there's something to that as we consider the true juxtaposition of this most recent balloting round. to speak to something david was talking about, consensus candidate, i've given up on the sorkin-esque fantasy of what that could look like. i have heard from democratic frontline members, including i've heard mike gallagher's name floated. gallagher's team hasn't heard about that. tom hull as david mentioned. those names are not out there in any significant way. i think the mindset around a consensus candidate is, you have to take this to the floor with republicans and then see how they fail and then circle back to that. >> unbelievable. it has real consequences. the world is watching. ali vitali, i'm so glad we had time, thank you so much. thank you for the clock. david jolly, thank you so much for coming around and having

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