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hour of special coverage on the latest in israel and gaza. >> and breaking news, multiple reports indicate egypt, israel, in united states have agreed to allow u.s. citizens and gaza to pass through the rafah crossing point at noon is realtime today. that is right now. nbc news has not independently confirmed this information yet. >> this morning, israel struck gaza's northern and southern boers as people continue to flee to the south for safety after receiving just 24 hours ce. the evacuation deadline expires in two hours.
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airstrikes also continue east of gaza city. >> according to the israel defense forces, at least 1300 people were killed and 3300 wounded in israel. the palestinian ministry of health reports more than 2215 people have been killed and 8714 wounded in gaza. joining us now, nbc news foreign correspondent kelly villa reporting on the ground in jerusalem. kelly, what are people saying on the ground right now? >> there's a lot of talk right now about that rafah border crossing. the crossing from gaza into egypt because of that reporting that potentially there has been a agreement reach to open a crossing just for a few hours today to allow american citizens out. nbc news has not been able to independently verify that, but reuters has been reporting that the u.s. has been working with the qataris and israelis and
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egyptians to get that border crossing open citing a senior state department official. keeping in mind there are 5 to 600 american citizens inside gaza, people who went there to visit family for family occasions where essentially they're at the wrong time and are struggling to get out. at the same time thousands are still headed south after the idf and the israeli defense force has issued that evacuation order. the 24-hour deadline came and went. people are still on the move and in addition to that the idf has told them that they would be too safe corridors for them to travel. this came after 70 people were killed in israeli airstrikes. they're all in a convoy of evacuees heading south. some 2000 injured. there is now that safe corridor open for another couple of hours for gazans to make their way south. there is another problem developing though with the united nations.
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drinking water is been very short supply because there is no fuel, and water treatment plants are no longer working. the united nations have said that their water supply in the south is also running low, it's a time really running out for people in gaza. they're even there as the barbarous continue. >> nbc news foreign correspondent kelly cobiella, thank you very much. >> joining us from d.c. right now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. ali, good morning. this week in senate majority leader chuck schumer is heading a bipartisan trip to israel. what more do we know about this trip? >> one of the highest ranking officials in washington d.c., the first jewish majority leader of the senate, katie. they will be heading over with a group in bipartisan fashion to israel. a show of support and solidarity. schumer of course is not the first that we've seen from congress to go overseas to israel at this time. of course as the conflict broke
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out we know that senator cory booker and congressman dan goldman were both their first separate engagements. thankfully, they were able to get out of the country safely. congressman goldman of course with his family. and now we are seeing senator jody -- who had previously been in israel for congressional delegation visit now we will see her from her visit followed by the top senator, chuck schumer, dress this weekend. >> something alley that is tying up u.s. aid to israel. no permanent house speaker. house members headed home for the weekend after republicans picked ohio congressman jim jordan to be the next speaker. let's be clear, there is no floor vote yet. and so do we know when we can actually expect a vote to happen for the government to start functioning again? >> no, because republicans are still deadlocked over whether or not jordan or frankly anybody else can even get the magic number of 217 votes they actually need in order to elect
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someone, as someone said to me yesterday. anyone as speaker. the reason that this is important, i think we need to continue to hammer home for viewers is that this is not just your typical story of washington dysfunction. though it is in many ways that. this is also having the speaker of the house means that one key branch of government is functionally in operable. and so if it is something as simple, that's a simple as condemning hamas three resolution, the house cannot do that or something more complex like figuring out military in humanitarian aid to israel. all of that is impossible to do to. while there is someone who technically can sit in the speaker's chair, there is a speaker -- in patrick mchenry, but effectively his job's gavel, in gavel, out and to sort of run the formal process of the house floor. there is nothing actually substantive that he can do. this is a unprecedented moment in so many ways. overseas, geopolitically, but certainly here in congress they have literally never seen this before.
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ousting a speaker was historic, and now figuring out ten, 11 days and how to get another one is equally as historic. >> and we are all seeing what happens when you don't have a speaker of the house. all right, thank you nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. >> still to come and our special extended coverage of the israel-hamas war, aid, blockade straight ahead. we talk to congresswoman madeleine dean about how the house speaker gridlock on capitol hill is stopping much needed help from heading to israel. stay with us. and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food. i'm adding downy unstopables to my wash now. i'll be smelling fresh all day long. [sniffs] still fresh. still fresh! get 6 times longer-lasting freshness, plus odor protection with downy unstopables. my mental health was much better. but i struggled with uncontrollable movements
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special coverage of the israel-hamas war. as the war rages on in the middle east, dysfunction in the republican-controlled house of representatives over electing a speaker could disrupt u.s. aid to the region. joining me now, congresswoman madeleine dean of pennsylvania, former impeachment manager and member of the house foreign affairs committee. congresswoman dean, thank you
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very much for being here. first, your thoughts of the latest breaking news, egypt, israel and united states reaching an agreement to allow u.s. citizens and gaza to pass through the rafah crossing. >> good to be with, you jonathan, thank you for inviting me. and i want to just put this in what we know. when we can go, the world witnessed the most despicable, brutal, barbaric attack on israel certainly my my time in a gruesome death and barbarism that is almost unspeakable, but as to the humanitarian corridor, i have been to israel twice. i've been to gaza. i saw the president yesterday at joint base andrews and that was my plea. make sure, and i'm not alone of course, make sure that there are humanitarian corridors open so that innocent civilians can leave. more than just americans, but i'm relieved that we have this
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small window, but also that supplies, water, food and desperately needed humanitarian aid, medicines and other things be sent in. if people could understand the intensity of gaza, the proximity to israel, and the area of attack but the density in the poverty and the number of children in gaza, all of these innocence must be protected as much as possible, and that was my plea literally to the president yesterday on the tarmac. >> and i want to point out that the rafah crossing border point is not open yet but more on that last point that you are making, congresswoman dean. caught in the middle of the fighting, as you pointed out in gaza are the millions of civilians who are stuck with nowhere to hide from the attacks. is enough being done to protect them? >> certainly i am not on the ground. i don't know. it seems like an almost
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impossible feat. this area that is twice the size of washington d.c. has 2.2 million people. the vast majority, you and i both know, are innocent civilians. they are not hamas terrorists. and so it seems like an impossible feat, but the world must come together to make sure innocent lives are protected. >> president biden spoke with the families of the 14 americans unaccounted for in this war. what is your message to the families still hoping and praying to be reunited with those missing? >> that is something else that i had the chance to speak to the president about alongside a couple of his secretaries. we demand the immediate release of those being held hostage. americans and others all must be released. there must be a cease from hamas or any kind of continued terrorist activity, and innocent civilians and hostages must be returned. >> president biden has said
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that they would be no american boots on the ground. is there any scenario where that might be necessary. >> i can't answer that question. i know at this point what we must do is to stand with israel in a bipartisan way. we must be unified here in the united states regardless of party to stand with israel, to call out this barbarism for what it is, to protect human life. to make sure that israel has everything she needs to protect and secure her country and her people, but ultimately we have to be a part of peacemaking. that seems far away right now, but there is a beautiful prayer for peace in the jewish faith that when my coworkers katie offered me yesterday and i've been reading the pair over and over again. and so i can't speak to boots on a ground. that's an upgrade different my own, but i will say that we need to be a part of protecting
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israel, protecting innocent lives, and returning citizens who have been taken, and respecting with disney and burying the dead and ultimately being a part of peace. ultimatel >> protecting israel, i get your point. but here in washington, there's still no speaker. and until republicans agree on house speaker, congress can't pass any aid to israel. where does the republican conference go from here? >> you saw some of the movement on the ground yesterday here in washington d.c. where the nominee now appears to be jim jordan without adequate support to become speaker, and that is with good reason. he is not fit to be speaker of the house. but we need someone who is a truth teller. it is not lost on any of us that what is going on in israel is a challenge to her democracy, and we must recognize that for what it is. we have to recognize those
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kinds of threats around the world. we see it in ukraine. we have to lift and protect democracies at the same time as we lift and protect our own. mr. jordan is somebody who voted not to certify the election. he is an election denier who stayed very close with mr. trump in the hours leading up to the attack on the capitol and has remained close to mr. trump in the days after, days and now months after. we need a speaker who is a truth teller. we need a speaker who work in a bipartisan way for a path forward for the protection of our democracy and democracies around the world. i hope you saw yesterday on the capitol steps that the democratic caucus stood shoulder to shoulder in support of israel but also in support of a bipartisan path forward. hakeem jeffries will be an extraordinary speaker. i hope we will get to that day. >> congressman -- congresswoman dean, we're out of time, but i need to ask. you have any republicans reach
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out to you in a back channel fashioned to have any kind of conversation about either unity coalition or something to break this impasse. >> no, the answer is no, but i will say that i have reached out to some of my republican colleagues to try and just express what i just express to you, that we need a truth teller in the speakers seat. >> congresswoman madeleine dean of pennsylvania, thank you very much for coming on this morning. >> thank you. >> coming up after the break, 150 people including some americans held hostage by hamas. how the ongoing hostage situation will complicate any military operation in gaza, and the significant dangers of block by block urban warfare. plus, we will head back to israel for a live report on the latest overnight developments. rnight developments. good for you, shingles doesn't care. because no matter how healthy you feel,
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egypt, israel, and united states are agreeing to allow the united states citizens in gaza to pass through the rafah border into egypt beginning at noon is realtime today. that i happening right now. >> the comes this morning after the idf offered people in the north of the gaza strip safe passage into the south of gaza until four pm local time. that is less than two hours away. joining us now, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel's reporting near the gaza border in israel. richard, what more do we know about these safe passage routes? >> so israel says that there are two safe passage routes that it has cleared to allow people from the northern gaza strip to go to the south of gaza. not to leave the gaza strip entirely, just a move from one part to the other. this, in the distance there,
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where you can see the smoke rising, that is gaza city. that is the biggest city in northern gaza strip. that is home to roughly the surrounding area around it and home to roughly 1 million palestinians. israel effectively wants to end the city so that it can move in with its ground offensive, offensive against hamas, and rescue operation. but many palestinians were living there i don't want to leave because they don't believe that it is something that they should be forced to do, they've been refugees before, they don't to be refugees again. they don't believe that they should have to stay in their homes and pay the price that hamas attacks that they had no involvement in. others who do want to leave say that they are struggling because israel is cut off the entire gaza strip, and so they don't have gas for their cars. also, the israeli airstrikes are still ongoing. their ongoing in gaza and they've been concentrating on the south of the gaza strip. the specific area where people are being told to go.
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and one reason that might be the case is earlier today hamas issued a statement saying that its fighters had once again, like they did a week ago, crossed into israel, broke through the fence in southern gaza and attacked israeli troops. and so they are doing this evacuation, some of them, thousands of them are doing this evacuation, but they are doing it under fire while hamas is still carrying out attacks against israel in southern gaza, the same area where the people are being told to go. >> nbc news is richard engel, thank you very much for that report. >> as israeli tanks moved into position around gaza, i want to bring in now retired united states army colonel jack jacobs. he's a medal of honor recipient and an msnbc military analyst. colonel, it's always so good to have you here for your insight and for your experience. let's talk about this window of time and space that israel has given palestinians to evacuate
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northern gaza safely via the two streets. that kind of safe passage is going to close in approximately 90 minutes. israeli tanks have amassed at the border. how quickly would you expect a military operation to escalate over the next 12 to 24 hours? >> well it's interesting that the is israel defense force said that they gave about 24 hours sometime ago. israel once as many civilians as possible, as many non-combatants as possible to get out of the region between the border and gaza to go south they might wait a long time. they may wait another day. they may keep extending the deadline toave a high degree of confidence that as many non-combatants get out of the region as possible. what is important here also is that egypt has to participate with israel in permitting
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gazans to get first, americans if there are any down there, and gazans if possible to get through the rafah gate and into egypt. but so far, there's been no interest among the egyptians to do that. most people believe that israel is going to leave as much time as necessary for as many civilians as possible to get out, and israel does not have to move into gaza in any specific time to wait, and waiting is probably what they are going to do, katie. >> colonel, we just have that breaking news. there's reports that the united states, israel, and egypt have struck some deal to open up a pathway through the rafah gate for approximately 500 americans who are currently stuck in gaza to enter into egypt and to be able to go home. now that gate was supposed to be open from 5 am eastern to 10 am eastern hour time. but nbc just spoke with an american mother traveling with
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three children in short time ago who said that the border still isn't open. and so i want you to explain to our viewers, how complicated can it be to safely filter out hundreds of people in this type of volatile scenario? is typ of volat>> it is enormously com, and it's going to be a long, long task to on top of it. but as i mentioned earlier, it requires the assistance of any participation of the egyptians. thus far the egyptians have not indicated except in the agreement about demonstrated over the past years that it is willing to let a relatively free flow of palestinians to get out of gaza, and that seems to be one of the holdups at the moment. even once they open it up, as you suggest, it is a logistical nightmare to check everybody through a relatively narrow aperture's in the border. but as long as they are south
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of gaza, they will probably be safe, katie. nbc news has learned that israel's air force is getting more u.s.-made bombs to help destroy the tunnels that are used by hamas to conceal weapons of fighters and that israeli ground forces are likely going to be needed to clear out that tunnel network completely. colonel, how central are those tunnels referred to as causes metro to hamas, including their ability to move hostages from gaza into egypt? >> they are essential, actually, and hamas has been moving hostages from one place to another. it is extremely difficult to fight in terrain like this. there's nothing more difficult than fighting in built-up terrain, especially where there's rubble in the streets, difficult to maneuver and painstaking. the advantages to the defender
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-- we should have some sense of reality about how many hostages are going to be found alive, how many of them are going to be able to be released. these are extremely difficult times, and hamas has demonstrated that they are not particularly interesting and saving anybody's life. it is interesting to note by the way that the underground passages are occupied by hamas and they're not given over to regular gazans. it is going to be extremely difficult, but for the idf to move in and eliminate hamas and four hostages to get out. >> colonel, nbc news also reporting that they have found detailed maps at the locations of some of the attack sites of the initial massacre about a week ago. also found on the bodies of some of these hamas fighters. detailed maps targeting not only synagogues, crowded locations and kindergartens, but also showing that for example, drones were used by hamas to be able to take on
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observation towers in advance of that initial attack that was done by hamas about a week ago. what does it tell you about that level of planning, preparation, maybe even sophistication that went into this particular attack. >> reversing this in planning it for well over a year and probably even much longer than that. what is interesting to note is not only what you are talking about, but also the locations of communications nodes inside of israel. areas where the computers were located that process the images from the cameras on at the border, that alerted israeli defense forces if there was a breach to activate the automatic machine guns. they knew absolutely everything. as the israel defense force and netanyahu has said before, the time i was for action. we will take a look at what happened to cause the failure on the israeli side to occur in the first place later on, but it is clear that it was a
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failure in security from top to bottom, from left to right. hamas had the locations of absolutely everything that they needed in order to perpetrate the horror that they did, katie. >> colonel, quickly before i let you go, i want to ask a very quick follow-up question a minute ago. you mentioned that we needed to have realistic expectations about the return, the safe return of hostages that are currently in custody with hamas. speak a little bit more briefly about that. >> we don't even know how many are still alive, to be honest. hostage rescue operation is probably the most difficult of all special operations. you have to know exactly where the hostages are. you have to be able to know how many people are around and how the enemy is disposed, how to get, and how to get out. we have seen lots of examples of successful operations like this one, but we've also seen
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lots of them that did not work, that were failures. now we have a situation in which nobody seems to know exactly where all of the hostages are. they are in desperate locations. we do not know how many cars are around each location. hamas moves hostages from place to place. it is going to be extremely difficult. i would not say impossible, that's too much of a hyperbole, but will be extremely difficult to get hostages out alive and to the extent that any can be gotten out alive, it would be a huge success. >> my thanks to you as always, colonel jack jacobs for your insight. we appreciate you. >> our special extended coverage of the israel hamas war continues. straight ahead after a brief break, a mother of two cannot from music festival in israel by hamas militants. her family's desperate search as they cling to hope that she will be found safe. do not go anywhere. ot go anywhere
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tries to rescue the estimated 150 civilian hostages and the extremely diict nature of the operation is beginning to make itself known. accordin nbc news reporting, any rescue attempt in gaza would mostkelye paired with a major military push to smash hamas, an operation that could dizehe lives of
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the hostages. adding, hamas has threatened to kill a hostage every time israel bombs civilian targets in gaza without warning. the hostage crisis in gaza is impacting hundreds of families across the globe, and our next guest has been dealing with the repercussions of the tragedy firsthand. his sister in law, sharona shmunis harel, what celebrating her 40th birthday at the music festival in south israel when she was abducted and taken hostage by hamas militants. joining me now, sharona shmunis harel's brother-in-law, ohad harel. they do so much for being here. mr. harel, walk us through the last time that sharona made contact with members of your family. what did she say? >> last message was last week on saturday at 907 in the
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morning. the message was, they are shooting at us and i am hiding. since then, we did not get any info. >> how did you react to the news that hamas had started shooting and attacking festival goers? >> i took my younger brother, husband, and we drove to the -- valeria. it's like a half hour and a half driving. we get there and it was like a war zone. it was like everything was with fire and bushes and plants burning. both sides of the road, missiles above the car shooting all around like crazy. a crazy situation. >> when you got there, where they're festival goers or anyone that you could talk to
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once you've got there in the middle of that chaos that you just described. >> we saw a lot of people running from the fields outside of the main roads, but we showed them the photos of my sister in law, and most of them could not even speak. it was like a chaotic situation. they were all in trauma. >> you know, you mentioned earlier in the response to my first question that you've got, that you had heard from sharona and then you had not heard anything from her since. i just wanted to double check that you haven't heard directly from her at all after her abduction? >> nothing at all. >> nothing at all. has the israeli government been in contact with you to discuss her current status or anything
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about their efforts to find her? >> no, they don't involve us as citizens, but i know that there are people who deal with it. we did not get any information from there efforts or anything. the only thing that we try to do is to push all of the leaders of the world leaders to stand next to the united states, which has backed us up since the beginning. you have not gotten official word of her status, like some other families dealing with this hostage crisis? i hesitate to ask this question, but i will. do you believe she is still alive at this moment? >> to tell you the truth, i don't know anything. for me there are two options. one option if she is not here,
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that's it. she's dead. until i have the body, i won't know. the second option is she has been kidnapped inside gaza. i do not have any way to keep optimistic. the only option to be optimistic is to think that she is alive and she is in gaza. yesterday evening, on the israeli news, they put a lot of photos of people who had been kidnapped. she was one of them. i don't know if it is authentic, or not authentic, we are trying to keep our heads up. to take care of her children. to think that she is in a good place. >> if sharon were able to hear you right now, what would you
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say to her? >> come home. i have nothing else to say look, we are not dealing with a country, with an army. we are dealing with a terror organization. >> what can you do? >> that amounts to this point, if the people who kidnapped sharona are listening, what is your message to them? >> my message to them? don't do anything that you will regret. >> ohad harel, i and millions of people in the united states and around the world are with you and your family. our thoughts and prayers for a positive resolution, but ohad harel, the thank you very much. >> eric adams, the mayor of new
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york, wow, thank you for your support. it is amazing to see the united states showing up like this against this hatred. thank you. >> thank you. >> our special extended coverage of the israel hamas for our continued straight ahead. after the break, the war on misinformation. fake videos and misinformation running rampant about the israel-hamas war on social media. we will talk about it next. the chewy app has everything for pets. hungry pets, itchy pets, scratchy pets, and most importantly, your pet. every day great prices and 35% off your first authorship order. right to your door. download the chewy app.
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attack in israel and war ensued from tel aviv to the gaza strip, a dangerous game of warfare is also a play on social media. disinformation and propaganda spreading fast, influencing opinion, making it difficult for anyone who uses social media to decipher what is really happening on the ground in the middle east. we've seen everything from
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videos of rocket fire so fake that they were ripped off from modern video games, two months old images from gaza passed off as new, going viral. nbc news correspondent, emma prince keith, joining us with more on the danger of this disinformation and how to avoid getting caught in the web. noah, always good to have you on the show. look, we were talking during the break about the fact that this is an evergreen conversation about disinformation and misinformation on social. this is a different time, this is a war. an incredibly polarizing one. one that, i feel like, touches americans, and us, a little bit more than, perhaps, that is happening in another part of the war. talk about why the proliferation of this misinformation is going on so much? >> war, these days, doesn't just mean bombs and guns. it is information. propaganda has always been a tool of war spare. but in an age where it disseminate so fast and in a conflict where both hamas, israel, and any other party
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looking for outside help, you are trying to win over the hearts and minds of the world. both sides have incentive to try to play the pr game. the truth of the matter here every government, every non government organizations and every terrorist organization in the world know that information is a very powerful tool of warfare. >> to that point out something that was interesting. in an interview with the new york times a hamas official said that the organization has been using the lack of moderation on x, formerly known as twitter, to post violent, graphic, videos on the platform to terrorize israeli citizens. weaponizing social media to fit its mission. that has been a concern, right? the lack of moderation and all these different social media platforms. >> x is particularly a mess right now. elon musk comes in he dismembered, essentially, their moderation team, in the name of free speech. he says it will create a better product. eckes used to be a great place, and a breaking news situation,
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in time of war, to get information out. the problem today is there is so much disinformation. the lack of moderation really means that you cannot trust anything that you see. there is so much bad information on acts, as well some of the other sites, as well. it is impossible to know what is real and what's not. really, this is really on us, as consumers of news, to be really careful about what we share. even if it confirms your beliefs about what is happening in the middle east, you have to pause. sharing a information will just lower the trust of everything that we do online. >> but can consumers do? are there any types of hallmarks of veracity in truthfulness that we can be looking for when we are cruising's, doomscrolling frankly, on social media? >> number one, i know we've said this before, look for established news sources. that's really important. when someone share something in a groove family chat, or on social media, you can often go back and see the original post.
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if the original post is a major news organization, with resources on the ground in the middle east and entire departments, like nbc and other major networks have, dedicated to verifying information that comes out of there, it is a much better bet that will be good information. if you find the original post is someone who created an account your go. they only have a small number of followers. that is a major red flag. the other thing that i tell everybody, a great tool i use it myself, google reverse image search. you have the what's up the chain image. take that picture, screenshot it, go to google reverse image search. upload that image. it will tell you other places on the web that it can find that same image. in many cases these days, it is particularly bad right now, upload an image that someone's that is from gaza. actually it was on some blog ten years ago. you know that is someone trying to spread disinformation. >> on the flip side, for example, we have hostages who
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have been taken by hamas. we have people who are missing. right now, when i walked the streets of new york, you see the posters of kidnap people. is there a way to use social media to get the word out? to spread the news about these missing family members and loved ones? to be able to see if that social media push could actually help bring them home safely? >> it is really hard right now. there is so much crap online. to borrow a phrase from steve bannon, if you flood the zone with crap, no one knows what to believe. as much as we want to help, sharing things on social media is still a best practice to be sharing things from verified, established, news organizations at a time when you just don't know what else you can trust. >> noah pransky, we said it at the beginning of the segment, it is always an evergreen concept. this battle against misinformation. it is especially critical. i appreciate you being here. thank you so much, noah. there is more special coverage
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let u.s. citizens, in gaza, pass into egypt through the rafah crossing point. that began three hours ago. >> haneen okal is one of those americans trying to leave gaza with her three children. she says she was told by the embassy to go to the crossing where there are hundreds located. she says it is closed with no one there to help. this morning, israelstck gaza as northern and southern border as people continue to flee to the south for safety after receiving just 24 hours notice. the evacuation deadline expires in two hours. airstrikes also continued easter gaza city. >> according to the israeli defense forces, at least 1400 people were killed and 3300 wounded in israel. the palestinian ministry of health reports more than 2215 people have been killed. 8714 wounded in gaza. a

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