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strikes. israel denies this claim. and the idf spokesperson saying israel recovered bodies of civilians killed and left on the gaza side of the border last week. [sirens] >> and then, this new video, showing life right now. but errors that families in israel are entering the days after the attack. you can see them being forced to take cover during a funeral for someone who was killed. new today, protests in at least three usa is calling for restraint as israel retaliates against hamas. right now, in -- a pro palestinian marches thrown thousands of protesters. our sister station, sky news, reporting at least three protesters have been arrested. american citizens are trying to escape the war, still waiting for a crossing on the egypt gaza order to open. their safe passage was negotiated by u.s. officials, but the rafah crossing remains closed. we have a number of correspondents in place from
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israel's two, lebanon, to the white house, covering all the day's development. we want to start, that with, nbc's alison barber near the israel gaza border. alison, you just set had some video to us from your team. there seems to be some increased activity. talk us through what you have been seeing, really, in the last hour there on the border? >> yeah, yasmin. in the last hour, we have seen rockets coming from this side. israel, into the direction of gaza. we are periodically hearing fighter jets flying in the area above us, and in the last hour, in the direction of gaza, which is just down here. we heard an artillery bombardment that seems to be taking place inside of gaza. as you just explained, the idea they have said that they are prepared to expand their combat efforts that will likely be by air, lands, and see. they say they are ready. we have certainly seen a massive amount of israeli troops and military equipment
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in this area. sometimes, we have seen takes coming to nearby ghastly should skip fuel, then, headed to the direction of gaza. we are as far as the idf would allow us to go. there are a number of checkpoints we encountered as we got close to this area. for now, we have mostly been watching the sky, switching between watching what is coming from the israeli side, listening, seeing, if we could see any bit of glow, and he bit of movement from gaza. we did see flares at the four points, and striking past the treeline. again, that is where gaza is. right now, a big question is when will this likely full scale ground assault began? we know there were at least 35 civilians, according, 35,000 civilians, rather, according to the u.n., sheltering in their hospital, their largest hospital in gaza city. the area where israeli forces dropped leaflets telling people to evacuate. that is about 1.1 million people. the u.s., they say they are
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between 500 and 600 palestinian americans stuck inside of gaza right now. as you said, the only possible option for people to get out of gaza would likely be the border crossing into egypt, the rafah crossing. that has been closed since tuesday. there are reports of talks going on. the u.s. said they were talking with israel, egypt, as well as jordan, to try to create some sort of window of time where people could safely pass through that border. that has not happened yet. what we are seeing right now on the ground here suggests that israel's ground assault is getting closer and closer. that has been the case for the last couple of days, because they have such a large troop presence here. right now, as we've been listening in the last hour, we have just heard the last sound of rolling blooms coming from gaza. we have heard and artillery barr meant in that direction, and we have seen from israel, missiles flying towards gaza. yasmin? >> alison, i'm curious. you may not know the answer to this, so, just tell me if you
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don't. but how often is the iron dome able to protect from rockets being fired from gaza into israel? >> so, i can tell you what we have seen anecdotally in the last few days. we have been reporting from this area, really, since monday. the vast majority of rockets that we see flying over to death direction, and we are just north of the israeli gaza border, most of them are intercepted by the iron dome. when we were in the area, in the outskirts of the city of ashkelon, at one, point we had seen nine missiles coming over from gaza towards israel. and we counted at least seven of them being intercepted by the idf. we've seen a number of other -- were others appeared to be intercepted. one time when we were watching, we couldn't tell if to have been intercepted. we later found that one of those had landed in the city center of ashkelon and had damaged a part of a largely
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evacuated wing of a hospital in the area. so, the iron dome, from what we, see works and is working incredibly well. but the issue, and this is what israel has talked about at different points, they say they have seen thousands of missiles and rockets coming out of gaza into the direction of israeli cities. the iron dome, as good as it is, can't always catch every single one of those, especially when they increase and increase and increase. that is part of why israel has evacuated all of the areas in where we are, all of the homes in the communities north of the israel gaza border, all the way to ashkelon, because of that concern. also, the anticipated ground assault that will head into gaza. yasmin? >> alison forest, thank you, stay safe. want to go now to north to matt bradley, who is in lebanon for us. a couple of things i want to talk through here, matt. first and foremost is the threat from the north, from his bella, of course, it has been a constant, it, seems
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conversation as to what hezbollah will do when they do it, if they were to do, it and then, couple that, of course, with iran's foreign minister speaking with the leader of hezbollah -- and making a statement early this morning, i believe, in beirut. >> yeah, i mean, all of these things combined together, yasmin. the fact is that to answer your second question first, the foreign minister has been saying that they are ready. they are ready and willing, and he's been making the rounds. he was in beirut, and then, he was in damascus, and then, he is apparently going back to beirut again. so, the fact is is that you now, he could be pulling the strings, or to huron could be pulling the strings behind hezbollah, which, like hamas, is backed by iran. like a moth, it's their main benefactor. so, it's unclear what the relationship is. people who know both groups say that is kind of a nebulous space, whether or not they are actually complete puppets of iran or whether they have quite a bit of autonomy.
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you know they get a lot of money. they get a lot of training. they get a lot of material from tehran. whether or not that means they have to do exactly iran's bidding, that is not entirely clear. but the decision is about to come. whether or not hezbollah will engage with this war, that is when the people of south lebanon or all of lebanon are waiting for, and the israelis are waiting for as well. so, there's going to be an uncomfortable decision that's going to come based almost entirely, we think, on what israel does in the gaza strip. because what we've been hearing is hezbollah has pus been positioning itself as a bit of a difference on the northern border of israel, to try to put the israeli military, should israel move in, and capably, completely take control and totally dismember hamas. remember, these are the two main militant groups fighting against israel. both of them backed by iran. the question forever on will be, do they want hezbollah to come in and try to prevent by splitting israel's military, prevent israel from totally
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destroying hamas, its other major group, or, will they want to avoid the prospect of having both of their major organizations that are backed by them, that are both capable of presenting a unified front against israel. do they want both of them to be in the fray and risk losing both of them in the same fight? that is going to be a calculus that tehran and leaders in beirut are going to have to try to figure out themselves, and a lot of that, again, it's going to be based on what israel does. >> matt bradley for us, thank you, matt. appreciate it. thank you for being there as well. do stay safe, my friends. want to bring in that former israeli special operations veteran and national law enforcement and counter-terrorism analyst, aaron cohen, to talk more about this. aaron, a couple of things i want to talk through. welcome, by the way. thanks for joining us on this. we've been following this breaking news. we've got the situation out from the idf about a potential ground incursion happening soon. i want to be part of a statement for our audience, just to remind people where we are with this.
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idf forces backed by an extensive logistical effort and by completing the reserve mobilization of hundreds of thousands of serviceman are preparing to implement a wide range of offensive operative plants, which include, among other things, and integrated and coordinated attack from the air, at sea, and the land. take from that what you will, erin, and talk about what you suspect it's happening from what you know? >> well, so, it are two operations that are happening simultaneously here. first and foremost is rescuing the hostages that have been kidnapped, those tunnels brought over that border, there could be over 200, 300, who knows. certainly over 150, from what i've been seeing. the second portion of the operation, which is equally as important, so, it's a multi layered operation, is the complete destruction of hamas. period. and in regards to how that's going to be done, obviously, the several hundred thousand reservists men who have been
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mobilized. you have to go about the infantry, attached to the southern command, also known as sampson's -- within that brigade, they are attacked to the southern command. they're equivalent to u.s. marines. they're essentially and in 50's infantry unit. within that unit, they've got a more saw element, or special operations element. they're also down there on the southern border. you've got the -- israeli paratroopers. also, a lot of combat experience dating all the way back to 48 to 56, 63, 70, excuse me, 67, 60, 73, yarmulke poor, of the way up to that lebanon war. both of them at the top. all the units very skilled. , then you, we talk to the north for a second. we have to go lonnie brigade, again, a very elite, capable unit that operates in the north, attached to the northern command. there have been multiple skirmishes and multiple hezbollah terrorists who are have already tried to infiltrate israel from the north, from what i'm hearing from my sources, and they have been neutralized.
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regarding this counteroffensive, preparation, intelligence gathering, is at the forefront, combined with the softening of targets inside of gaza, attacking infrastructure, attacking weaponry, attacking any leads that could help open pathways for the invasion or the incursion into gaza, this counteroffensive. heavy special operations capabilities within the israeli defense forces. let me explain, israel doesn't build a super soldier that is trained to different things. we treat it like madison. you got a doctor from the heart, a doctor for cancer, a doctor for the brain. in israel, you have very specialized units. which are focused on specific tasks. you've got israeli seals, or the -- the 13 unit on the water there, do typographical. all of the special operations units responded to southern israel hours after that
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intelligence failure. we'll get that later. we're not looking at it this point, we're coming together as a people, dozens and dozens of units responded to the attack in southern israel and cleared at pockets of hundreds and hundreds of terrorists. sterilizing all of southern israel, risking soldiers outpost that were taken over. very very intense intervention. >> >> you're throwing a lot at me. i want to parse some of this out so that we can understand what you are saying for folks that have not served as you have. when we are talking about special ops, my understanding here when you are talking about, for instance, hostage rescues, there are special operations teams within the israeli military within the sides as well for instance is like this. and which people are taking them hostage. there is a team in place for
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that. do you understand or know, can you guess why it is that team has not been initiated as of yet to try and rescue hostages before ground intervention? >> israel has to tear one level hostage rescue assets. one of them is -- excuse me, -- israel's national police unit. one of the top three counterterror units in the world. the general staff reconnaissance unit, which reports directly to the chief of staff and the idf. this is the same unit that went to uganda in 1976, june 3rd. they rescued 103 hostages being kept hostage by black september terrorists. benjamin netanyahu's unit, his older brother was the only israeli casualty on that operation. >> why would they not do that now, do you think? >> they need to gather information and intelligence to talk to your audience. what that means is that these units --
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these operations are custom designed. these aren't -- these are unconventional operations. we have to know what buildings, what tunnels, where the hostages being held at. the reason why is because the only way you can be affected with a hostage rescue intervention is with actionable, accurate information. the intelligence gathering has been one of a primary key element right now for the preparation of this operation in regards to the hostages. it means that thousands of cell phones are being listened to, not just in gaza, but all over the world. -- and activating every piece of listening devices in the world. there are also specially operations that have been inside gaza for the last week. they are putting devices, listening to things, scouting, they're looking for those things. using that information to the actual operations will have the highest degree and the level of selectivity and success. >> i think one of the concerns right now, and we do have to wrap this up is --
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certainly some of the intelligence failures that we have seen, the reason why we are here, and what it was that israeli intelligence missed. that was last saturday, the attack from hamas, especially since the government has been practicing this. not only for the sake of innocent palestinians, but for the sake of the hundred plus hostages still being held in gaza. >> understood, understood. >> aaron cohen, we thank you, sir. appreciate it. but >> we are not perfect, we had the same problem in 1973. this is what israel does. we come together collectively as a nation. a lot of creative people coming together who were very smart. what you are going to see now is that israel is doing what it does best, which is coming together collectively as a people. we're going to do everything we can to reduce any collateral damage inside of gaza for the palestinian people. the palestinian people are being held against their will.
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they're part of the siege. >> aaron cohen, thank you. we appreciate it. coming up next, more on this big breaking news. the idf statement on air, land, and see. later, one of my guests says this about the conflict. it will get worse before it gets even worse. aaron david miller, analyst and negotiator, back in 60 seconds. ck in 60 seconds now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up ♪ ♪ i've got symptom relief ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements at 4 weeks. skyrizi is the first and only il-23 inhibitor for crohn's that can deliver both clinical remission and endoscopic improvement. the majority of people on skyrizi achieved long lasting remission at 1 year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to.
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fight by conventional means. it has a massive network of tunnels underneath gaza. it has proven to be an elusive enemy in the past. the other question here is that even if israel can destroy hamas, which is what they're going to do by, air land, and see. they're going to take high casualties on their side. civilian casualties, no question. what comes next? who will govern gaza? nobody can answer that question. >> thank, you sir. appreciate it. secretary of state tony blinken calling for the protection of civilians in the gaza strip, and in israel during a visit -- diplomatic tour in the middle east. he also remains vocal on israel's right to defend itself. >> when israel is doing is not
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retaliation. what israel is doing is defending the lives of its people and, as i said, making sure this is not home. one thing is for, sure we can't go back to the status quo. >> joining us now, aaron david miller, he was an adviser for six secretaries of state, helping to formulate policy on the middle east for the israeli middle east peace preface. also in the american stagecraft program at the carnegie international peace. aaron, i've been waiting to talk to you for the last couple of days after hearing you on my colleague -- colleagues show. i'm so happy to talk to you today. perfect voice in a situation like this. i want to start where one of our reporters just left, of which is what happens next? we are hearing it over and over, hearing it from the prime minister of israel. they will eradicate hamas. from gaza. that has happened before. the leader of hamas has been killed before as well.
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and yet, it has risen again. what does happen, erin, after a ground invasion of israel and gaza if they in fact are able to level hamas,. as they say. >> first of, all thank you for having me. look, not even the oracle of delphi, weeding -- reading coffee grounds could answer that question. there's been a lot of playing over the last 20 years for a better future, trying to turn one is now an open air prison into something livable, productive, secure, and prosperous for the 2.3 million pounds palestinian citizens who live there, half of which are underneath 15. it might not be on a major training, but planning has considered an arab security force that would hand over the transition to the u.n., bringing back the palestinian authority from -- with a huge international
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effort funded by saudi, reconstruction efforts to create a livable post -- the problem with all of this, it is not only speculation, it's really being driven by history, by politics, by the constraints that are acting out on all of the factors that i just mentioned. the arabs are not going to want to come into gaza if it is done on the back of -- or an f-16. the palestinian authorities have weakened, dysfunctional, now in the eighth year of a four-year term. now neither you are, i or anyone can answer that question right now. >> the palestinian authorities from my understanding, it's not necessarily popular either. especially in gaza. i remember, erin, back in 2006 when i first was reporting in israel, and i was speaking to palestinians at the time. it was when hamas was first elected as a governing body.
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i remember asking palestinians why it was that they were voting in favor of hamas. they said to me then, it was because they provided a social arm, there are two separate arms of hamas. they provided actually schools and facilities, infrastructure that no one else would provide them. talk to the needs of the gazans, what drives, would drive political leadership there? >> first of all, it is security and prosperity. i suspected polling in gaza right now indicate that hamas probably enjoys even if -- their actions on october 7th are going to wreak havoc. on the palestinian population there. there is a certain amount of pride if they have, unlike the
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p a, it is not but corrupt. there is a lot of that. remember, hamas has been -- they've been active since the early 80s. they developed deep ties, social, economic, political, and religious into the gazan population. it's not like it's a membership organization like the fryers where people have membership cards and go to meetings. it is a movement. not only the movement, it's the movement that embodies the idea. in this case, it is the struggle. that has led the palestinian nowhere. here the secretary of state say, actually say there is no -- we can't go back to the way it was, which is essentially validation for the israelis, what they would like to see as well. more or less, convince the biden administration before --
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to change that reality in gaza. >> i asked an israeli importer, reporter on the ground as well, they can't go back to the way that it was talking about hamas leadership. i also asked her about israeli leadership as well under prime minister benjamin netanyahu. it cannot go back to the way that it was. can it go back to the way it was with different governing bodies and hamas with the same leadership in israel which is already unpopular, even before october 7th, and considering this huge intelligence failure now happening under netanyahu's watch? >> if there is any silver lining, i even had to use the word given the catastrophic -- given the catastrophes witnessed, and what is to come, it's the international emergency government. it seems to me that benjamin netanyahu, now the longest prime minister in the -- now presiding in the single
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bloodiest day for jews since did not see holocaust. the worst terror attack, the greatest intelligence failure and operational failure since 1973 war. there will be an accounting. i suspect this national unity government will not be a temporary fixture. the average length of israeli government since independent was 1.8 years. the israeli government under netanyahu now reaches its one year anniversary in december. i hate to speculate, but i will take a flyer on this one. i think that next year at this time, there will be an israeli government stable. i don't believe it it will be with benjamin netanyahu. >> i want to ask you one more question before i let you go. i could talk to you for the next four hours if they would let me. want to talk about iran. iran often uses these movements, as you and i both know, there is a terminology in arabic.
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i'm not going to butcher, it's not going to say it, because i speak farsi. iran often uses these movements as a hangar in a way. as a way to advance their own objectives. not necessarily caring about what it is that the palestinians want. they've used it with hamas, they've used to with hezbollah. they continue to find these groups as well. what to do about iran? what does the united states do about iran as we think about israel moving in on this ground incursion, trying to eradicate hamas. the money will still be flowing. the idea of this movement will still be flying. the foreign minister of iran was just in beirut, making the announcement this morning, saying that they are considering all options. iran seems to be the outlier in all of this. the unknown with all of this. >> the short term and longer
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term problem, number one, i don't think the iranians are wanting major contribution with israelis. their key ally in lebanon, the window into the israeli conflict, which is critically important for them for any number of reasons, hezbollah, as long as hamas is doing the work for hezbollah, why would they waste this considerable 50,000 high trajectory weapons, very major lethality, as they did in -- into doesn't six, should on the northern half of israel for 34 days. then they were 5000 guys with a bunch of relatively unsophisticated high trajectory rockets and missiles. i do not think that iran wants a confrontation. -- should they really get into this? using their missiles and their weapons? a city expect the united states would get into it. once that happens, you're
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opening the door for the possibility that iranian confrontation directly with u.s. involvement. i suspect, and i hope that even though this is going to be getting worse before it gets worse, i hope that it does not get worse in that direction. >> you and we both. aaron david miller, it's an honor. thank you. >> my pleasure, thank you for having me. >> protests across the country on both sides of the story. that's coming up next. oming up next. this is american infrastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪ announcer: try tide power pods with 85% more tide in every pod. who needs that much more tide? everyone's gonna need more tide. it's a mess out there. that's why there's 85% more tide in every power pod. >> more breaking news. -see? -ah.
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a lot happening this hour. violence of israel and gaza heightening teeth tensions here in home. hundreds gathering in times square to protest the barrage of -- following the hamas attack. also some demonstrations in london, india, germany, as well. reports on both sides of this story. joining us now from miami, nbc's marissa power.
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i want to start off with you. you spoken to parents in the united states who were personally affected by this war. you are just one of the airports we will see more of those families in tonight. >> absolutely. one of the many places that we are seeing this unfold is at the airports. we talk about how difficult it is to get in and out of the region. we're seeing measures to curb exactly that. for instance, and israeli airline that typically follows show back. this is the jewish time of rest, which included saturday. for the first time in over 40 years, they are flying select planes during shots. we know that there are flights today out of new york, including miami. on those planes, you have a mixture of people. you have volunteers bringing relief, support, aid donations. we spoke to a local rabbi in the miami area organizing exactly that. you also see israeli army reservists. we know the military has called up hundreds of thousands of reservists. one of the many ways this is
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impacting local families is again, speaking to a mother and father of another israeli soldier. for instance, somebody that volunteered to join the army. in fact, she describes, the mother describes her son volunteering instantly as soon as you heard the news. both parents from israel, south florida, those final moments saying goodbye to him at the airport here. not knowing when they would see their son again. >> he found out about the war at seven and was on the plane by 11:00 in the morning. yes, it took him five minutes to make a decision. ten minutes to pack, and we drove him to the airport. >> just a few hours later, yes. so i gave him my book, and when he said get, but he said mom, i promise i'm going to bring the love back.
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we promised me to bring it back. i know that he's going to keep his promise. you can lose the books, he's my love. this is my love bug. >> both parents describe how they're keeping hope alive by welcoming in his home party as they wait for the news. one of so many families, even just here in the united states, israeli palestinian families clinging to hope, waiting and watching every bit of the news. waiting to find out what is going to happen to their families. we talk about the airport being a face we're seeing this unfold. it's not that difficult to get into the region, but out. we're not just seeing efforts with charter flights, we know the florida governor's office has expressed support. trying to get those americans back home here in the united states, and finally i will leave you with this. that flight in question, supposed to be leaving from here to -- from miami to israel, that's
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taking off just before midnight. yasmin? >> thank you, clarissa, appreciated. we'll go from florida to california. nbc news correspondent david is joining us from los angeles. i see palestinian protests happening behind you. david, talk us through what you are hearing and seeing there over the last few hours. >> yes, as you pointed, out there have been rallies all over the world. these ones in l.a. are just getting started. already seeing 2 to 3 other people here, and it's going quickly. people are waving flags, changing slogans, people honking and support, but also exchanges of words that are so friendly. i would say that there have been several rallies on both sides of this issue in l.a.. all of them have been peaceful. [crowd chanting] no country reason to expect this is going to be different. still, the atmosphere is a little bit tense. people are expected to start walking in that direction. a lot of people here are palestinian, or palestinian americans.
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what is top of mind is the fate of civilians in gaza. we spoke to one person present at the rally today that is very close with loved ones currently in gaza, struggling to communicate with them. here's what she has to say. >> do you have people in gaza currently? >> i have my fiancée and his whole family. and then on the other side, also my aunt and her children. >> a fiancée is in gaza? >> yes. >> i spoke with him last but 8 to 10 hours ago, but it's very difficult to get through because there is no internet and no electricity. but >> a lot of intense emotion here today, yasmin. i've asked people what they think the objective of those mobilization is. they said the goal is to put pressure on to american elected official to end or at least rethink u.s. military and financial support of israel. yasmin? >> david, thank, you we appreciate it. reflecting on the loss of life this past week, the heartbreak
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moments ago with this breaking news, saying that people were killed in the hamas attack, or are still missing hailed from 43 different countries, including the united states. over to the white house, the president being updated around the clock about the situation in the middle east, coming after the administration warned about traveling to the region. aaron gilchrist is at the white house for us. erin, good to talk to you. what more are you hearing from secretary of state tony blinken today as he makes his tour throughout the middle east? but >> the secretaries in saudi arabia right now. he has been traveling around the middle east since thursday with a mission that has been consistent with the time that he's been out there, primarily showing and rallying support for israel. in particular, he's having those conversations today with the saudis, and we also know that he has spoken with the chinese foreign minister today. the focus of these
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conversations are about preventing the spread of this conflict to the broader middle east. other countries in the region, he's been asking his counterparts in those different countries to use whatever influence they have in order to prevent this conflict from spreading, to prevent others from trying to get involved with what is happening between israel and hamas. at the same time, obviously he has had to have his attention focused on humanitarian crisis but that is growing in gaza as millions of people have been told by the israelis that they need to try and move south, move out of the zone where we expect but the ground operation will be beginning at any moment. i want to show you something the sacred terry said today about the humanitarian problem growing in that region. but >> none of us want to see suffering by civilians on the any side, there it is in israel, gaza, whether it is anywhere else. we are working together to do
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our best and protect them. at the same time, it's very important, and i know that our countries agree that we work together to make sure to the best of our ability, this conflict doesn't spread to other places and other fronts. >> for president biden's part, we know that he is continually being briefed about what is happening in israel, and in gaza, and his secretary of state's operations around the middle east. we know yesterday he was in philadelphia with the president. one of the security staffers with him on that trip yesterday. we know from officials at the white house, he's being briefed today. we know he is a public appearance scheduled for late this evening, as he has done at other non israel-related events. he has spoken about that. we will be listening to see if he does that again tonight. yasmin? >> aaron gilchrist worst, thank you. the war is reigniting divisions over the israeli palestinian conflict. among those is israel's right
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to defend itself, and those that expressed concerns about the plight of palestinians in gaza. >> i don't believe that hamas is killing israelis to liberate themselves. i believe they are doing it to make peace. they are doing this because they represent the devil on the shoulder of every oppressed palestinian who has lost somebody in this conflict. they are doing it because they want vengeance. with as somebody with a deep love in israel, friends in danger, people missing, it breaks my heart to say, it but i am seeing it again. it remains perhaps the most salient point of context and a tangled mess full of centuries of context. you can't keep 2 million people living in the conditions that people in gaza are living in and expect peace. you cannot. you should not. >> that was my next guest, reading from a deeply reflective article published this week it is getting a lot of attention online. joining me now is isaac sol, founder of the newsletter, entangled. thank you for joining us.
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but it came across my feed, a lot of colleagues were retweeting. it shows the nuance of this situation. you captured it quite well. it is one of the reasons that i wanted to have you on. you wrote this week that as a jewish person that has lived in israel, people ask you if you are pro israel. you reply, being pro israel or pro palestine, or a zionist does not aqua adequately capture. and i'm reading this. the range of thought that you and those jewish people have on the history of jewish people in israel. talk more about that. >> yes, sure. i think that you can look around what is happening in the united states and in israel right now. the reaction to this latest state of violence. people hold in both places that they believe in the right of an individual to exist. they sympathize with the plight of the palestinian people and the current conditions they are living in, both in gaza and the
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west bank. i'm certainly one of those people it feels that way. this is a complicated history the goes back hundreds and thousands of years. no one has really been able to solve the but contractual nature of this conflict, especially for the last hundred and 20 years. because of that, a lot of people go searching for answers, and are looking for answers based on a lot of time talking to people on the other side. i know that as a jewish american, i've spent a lot of time speaking with palestinians, muslims, arabs, those that are friends of mine. they're academics who our former colleagues, the last week, and having those conversations, it's impossible to leave with anything but a nuanced position in my opinion. obviously, the violence from hamas can't be excused. it cannot be rationalized. it can be explained. it's a important distinction
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for, me and for a lot of other journalists the care about this issue. >> i don't think i fully understood what was happening there i, and the situation everyone was in until i visited the area, into is reporting there on the ground. i use but you are infuriated by the narrow viewpoints of americans on both the left and right who often have -- who view the israeli and palestinian conflict in a certain way. they failed to acknowledge, as you say, the history of the oppression and suffering for both israelis and for the palestinians. what do you think they have such a black and white the point? >> one important part of this is that people in america especially if you most of these things that happen across the world, their own western lens, american politics.
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for a lot of people on the left right now, and they look at israel and palestine, they see a formidable military power with a lot of money and backing of the united states. then they see the people that are largely impoverished. 50% unemployment rate in gaza, and innocent people being oppressed basically. it does not mean that there is a truth to that lens, but it is a simplified version of the story. for a lot of people on the right, they look at this, and they see a loyal military ally in israel who backs of the united states and supports our interests in the region of the middle east. and then they see hamas, a group that they view as terrorists. they think it represents the interest of the palestinian people. when you look through the lens, it's very easy for either side to simplify the issue but and take that position basically
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the same way they would do in any other culture war that we have in the united states. >> we don't have a lot of time left, isaac, just one more quick thing. i found a lot this week, even just coverage in general of the israeli palestinian conflict. especially after october 7th, but it is hard for people to say that what hamas did was barbaric, was atrocious, was awful, and with the palestinians face and have been experiencing is awful. seeing those two things together, for some people, it's become very difficult. >> quite clearly, people are having a very hard time holding those two thoughts at the same time. one thing i said in the follow-up to that piece that i wrote was that regardless of where you come from, you can understand it israeli children
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were killed in this attack, the palestinian children living in gaza right now. >> isaac, thank you, thank you for the message you put out there this week. appreciated. >> breaking news everybody, a new and ominous warning from iran. that is next. at is next - [narrator] what will you do when the power goes out? power outages can be unpredictable and inconvenient, but with a generac home standby generator, your life goes on uninterrupted because you'll have power when you need it the most. - with the generac it powers our well, the refrigerator, and my cpap machine, which are all things that we need to survive on a day-to-day basis - [narrator] get the security and peace of mind your family deserves with a home standby generator from generac.
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those talks have now been put on pause. what do you see happening going forward, especially as we look at a potential ground incursion into barraza? but >> i really think did as we have been talking about, yasmin, it's all going to be on how the israelis undertake this operation. i spoke with diplomats in the region, and they say that, look, it shows the need for peace more than ever. that includes the deal with israel. i do not think that saudi arabia has ruled out a deal with israel altogether. they do think that this could reshape the region and have israeli integration in the region. it would give the impetus for helping to resolve the palestinian situation. but it's really going to be depending on, a, has strategic and how targeted israel's campaign is. whether the catastrophe that we are expecting to see if that
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takes place, whether israel is going to be allowing aid in, and whether it helps with relief for the palestinians. how this is going to be carried out is really going to be driving not just the day after in the region, but certainly this new diplomatic saudi arabia. that is the message the secretary blinken, in addition to the solidarity of israel, getting them those weapons that they need to go after hamas properly. that is the message by secretary blinken. you really need to think about what your endgame is. where you want to end, that keep your eyes on the prize. it's not only your immediate security, is needs to defend yourself against hamas. it's your existential security which means in the region and against iran. it is the spoiler, talking about funding hamas, hezbollah, the like. >> i'm glad you brought up
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iran. there's a pause on the release of $6 million in qatar. that was put there because of the prisoner exchange between iran in the united states. the reverberations of not giving iran that money could be great. the reverberations of giving them that money could also be great. it's a real tight rope that the president has to be working on right now. not only when it comes to iran, but the support of israel and retaliation, as he has said repeatedly. if in fact it turns into a greater humanitarian crisis than it already is, and possibly thousands, hundreds of thousands of lives of palestinian lives were lost. >> look, we are not hearing a lot about the diplomatic negotiations behind the scenes with the israelis. with egypt, with qatar, and even with hamas about getting some of that aid in. that is taking place. it is going to be bad. u.s. officials acknowledge that it's going to be bad. there are discussions taking place behind the scenes on how
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some of that aid can get in on safe zones that the israelis are going to be committing to, not targeting because there will be civilians. that is all taking place behind the scenes. there is this eye on, it's no secret, we've been talking about it for days. whether it is going to escalate. they are not confident that that is not going to happen. hezbollah, if it explodes, iran gets invoke, and they are also in yemen itching to launch a missile against saudi arabia. then you see the saudi yemen border heating up. you have this u.s. aircraft carriage or that we have to talk about when they are speeding towards the region. the fact it a -- it's not just the u.s. citizens that are involved. this is determinants. this could drag the u.s. into a
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war. there is certainly a concern about this catastrophe, human humanitarian situation. and also fewer -- fuel the anger about -- israel keeps talking about gaza, they need to destroy hamas in gaza. hamas might not even be in charge on the west bank. there are militants across israel. even if they destroy hamas and gaza, i keep saying that when you mow the line, it goes back. they maudeline, not to the same extent that they're going to in 2014. we see this much more brutal hamas coming back. >> certainly a very precarious situation. elise, i wish we had more time to talk about this. thank you. that does it for me, i'll see you tomorrow at two pm eastern. reverend al sharpton, a myth moving, continuing coverage next.
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