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it is four pm in new york, and 11 pm in israel and gaza. i'm simone sanders townsend. joined by a mid meridian, and the great reverend al sharpton. this is continued coverage of the israel-hamas war. israeli defense forces are

preparing a significant ground operation in gaza, describing it as, quote, integrated and coordinated attack from, air sea, and land. israeli soldiers continue to mess along but -- as benjamin netanyahu visited the entropy today, telling them to, the next stage is coming. thousands of people in northern gaza are navigating an active war zone as theyramble to evacuate to the south. on friday, israel warned civilians north of za the gaza city is now a battlefield. they told him to evacuate their homes. thata reon home to 1.1 million people. hamas instructed gazans to ignore the directive. 70 people and one convoy, obeying their order to leave were killed after him raley airstrike and convoy of evacuees. most of them women and children. >> i do want to warn you that some of the video we are about to be showing is extremely graphic.

we have video of that strike, and it contains lifeless bodies. take a look, and again, these images are extremely graphic. [sirens] >> israel's cut off access to food, water, and fuel in the gaza strip. hospitals are overrun, and people in gaza say that they've got nowhere to go. meanwhile, hundreds of american citizens are at the gaza border with egypt after a tentative agreement with egypt and israel to allow them to cross into northern egypt. nbc news reporters on the ground say that they have yet to see any crossings. it's impossible to overstate the humanitarian crisis here. and the precarious situations that civilians, israelis and palestinians now face because

of this war. in an appearance with the qatari prime minister and minister of foreign affairs, secretary of state antony blinken had this to say. >> our focus now is on helping to create safe zones. we're doing that with the international organizations, and we're doing that engaging with israel. we are working with other countries to that end. that's where the focus is. >> it has just been one week since hamas terrorists launched an unprecedented attack on israel, killing and kidnapping civilians in service members. according to our latest numbers, at least 1300 people in -- in gaza, at least 2100 were killed. 27 american citizens have been killed. 14 of them are still unaccounted for. president biden spoke to the families of those missing americans, reiterating his commitment to do everything possible in order to bring them back. joining us now on the ground,

at the israel gaza border, alison barber. alison, i know you've been out there all day. what are you seeing and hearing right now? do you know anything about the border crossings? the border with gaza in egypt. >> with what we've been hearing in the last ten minutes or so, we've heard for booms and then saw the skyline, the direction, gaza is back this way lighting up as things are fired, rockets from the israeli side and into gaza. the last two hours, we have heard jess over in the area. overhead periodically. we have heard artillery bombardments inside of gaza. we have seen rockets flying from israel and into the direction of gaza. in terms of the crossing with egypt, the rafah crossing, and whether or not it is open. the answer is still no, it is not. that is the only option really right now in or out of gaza for

civilians, and also for humanitarian aid. the humanitarian aid has not been inside of gaza in a week now. the other border crossing that possibly people could be using would be the -- but that goes into israeli territory. it is not open. the idf claims that is because hamas militants struck it because that's when they launched their air attack on saturday. the rafah border crossing, the u.s. state department as told americans to get close to it, because they say that if it opens, it will likely be short notice, and likely will not be open for very long. egypt has said that israeli air strikes landed and damaged that crossing on tuesday. it has been fully interoperable since then. remember, the situation in gaza, that border crossing has never truly been open. in order for people or goods to travel through, it there has to be specific permissions from's palestinians -- from the palestinian side, from officials on that side of the

crossing, and also from the egyptian side of things. we have this situation right now where 1.1 million peop in northern gaza have been told to evacuate south. it's not easy to evacuate south, first of all. if they wanted to then cross through the border into egypt, or try to get into israeli territories, there are literally no options for them right now. the u.n. says that gaza has run out of water. when we're talking about people moving south, you touched on the fact there were three convoys carrying people that were targeted as they moved south. there is also a situation right now where they have run out of fuel. the sole power station there, it does not have fuel. if people are trying to get into their cars to leave, that option is gone. our producer inside of gaza said that 35,000 people are sheltering in the largest hospital in gaza city right now. things are likely only going to get worse for those civilians.

simone, watching in this area, a massive amount of military equipment, tanks, troops, idf troops all moving in the direction of gaza. there are no civilians in this area at all. israel has evacuated just north of the border. they have evacuated all of these communities. four palestinians inside of gaza, for civilians, they do not have anywhere to go. a lot of them are afraid that if they were to leave, it would be a situation like what they happened in the 1940s, what they referred to as the which -- they are not able to come back to their homes. simone? >> we're going to be speaking with a spokesperson from the idf in this hour. alison barber, live for us at the israel gaza border. thank, you stay safe. more about the next phase of israel's military operation, -- the former deputy commander of the european command, and now an msnbc military analyst. general, i want to start with all of these forces amassing on

the border between gaza and israel. we also know from nbc reporting, from our colleagues earlier this week, israel, the idea forces have alreadygone into the country. is this new phase a distinction without a difference? >> no, it is not. what we saw initially, we saw what is called saving the operations. that is part of the initial phase of operations, where you can identify strategic targets such as communications with centers from hamas. hamas leadership, ammunition depots, those complexes. what you want to do is break those things down to prevent hamas ability to communicate, hamas ability to provide ammunition to their troops. hamas ability to move around. now what you are seeing in my assessment is the initial phase of the ground war starting to happen. you have special operating

forces that are also on the ground inside of gaza, seeking the intelligence for two things. number, when the hostages. number two, being able to provide those locations back to the ground forces that will be conducting those initial assaults. what you're seeing at home on tv right now is called the assault positions. those ground forces prepare on their own border to conduct that a sold. >> general, it is eamonn here. i want to ask you something that you know very well based on your experience during the iraq war. there is always a difference between the decision to destroy an organization. what happens the day after when gaza is under the complete control militarily of israel. what does that look like for them to actually control the territory that would possibly include up to 2 million people.

number two, in the long run, you might defeat hamas as an organization. how do you defeat it as an ideology? we keep hearing people say that we don't want to go back to the status quo. the status quo would also mean a change for palestinians. what does that look like for you, sir? >> you hit it there. as you know, i lead the attack to seize back, and once we seize back, we were not prepared for the aftermath. the aftermath will be the same in the case of the israelis here. every single thing that is in that hundred and 40 square kilometers -- excuse me, miles. after the israeli forces seize it, they will have done the school systems, the hospitals, the 2 million people that are inside of that strip. all of those people that are suffering, the humanitarian aid. the government, on and on.

that is going to be a huge undertaking. if folks focus on the actual attack, which in my, view will take some time, but the aftermath being able to eradicate as netanyahu said, that is going to take longer. in my view, it is going to be an extremely difficult task. they've tried it before, and they failed at it. we'll see what happens this time. >> general, when we hear of convoys being attacked, and women and children killed, and there are convoys trying to do what was asked of them, are there any things that we can see which have been put in place to protect that not being repeated over and over again? we are talking about people that were not in hamas, trying to deal with life as they lived, now being worked out.

in the middle of all of this, before we get to the aftermath, how do we protect innocent civilians in gaza? >> here's the dilemma. 2 million people, as we talked, about the third most dense location in the world. i know the israeli forces, many of them are my friends. they are professional, of course. at the end of the day, just like i have the experience when i have gone into the back. there is going to be collateral damage. when you fight in cities, there is no doubt about it. and so when you try your best to avoid collateral damage. oftentimes, that collateral damage will come from the enemies cascades, where you try your best to use a certain munition to destroy a particular location. there are secondhand exposures from it. or you tried your best to use a

particular ammunition, and it fell short, it fell shorter on the convoy. you can have these incidents, it's sad, stuff like this happens, but when you fight in an urban battle, you cannot prevent stuff like this from happening. >> former lieutenant general stephen twitty, thank you very much for being with us today, sir. stay with us in this msnbc special coverage of the israel hamas war. it's just getting started. that war is watching israel and the gaza strip. they're waiting to see when israel's, promised sea air atlanta tech will begin. and we're talking with israeli defense for a spokesperson, going to get into all of the coming hours could look like on the ground. and later, a descendant of holocaust survivors joins us to talk about the ten family members missing after hamas's brutal assault on israel. how she is coping with unimaginable trauma.

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expert who has family in the region. he's also the author of the book, the words of my father, love and pain in palestine. it's great to speak to you, i know this is a very difficult time for you. i know if also get involved with your family, can you tell us a little bit about what you are hearing from the people are able to speak to in terms of the conditions and their own experience at the moment? >> extremely dire. extremely terrifying and scary for people. there are people calling for transportation -- there are people calling me to try to get your kids, try to get on any list -- human corridor. people told me finding houston for the next two nights. my mom and my brother, about 40 people fled from the north to

the south. the situation is dire. and this is coming from people who've lived through dire situations many many times before. -- >> yousef, it's symone. i'm wondering, how are people who can't hit self coping? we are our th sltering and what is their plan over the next 24 hours? >> they shelter on the streets. the shelter at the beach. they shelter under the floor, at schools, but hospitals. but people who went to the beach, people who started to walk on foot -- are also targeted because they want people to move away as quickly as possible. i don't know how human beings can run to make this operation

pork, more possible. our chest, there is a lot of confusion. a lot of fear. and the people don't have many options. not even to simply do the part of evacuating their homes and their areas under attack. >> yousef, l sharpton. when you wrote your book about your father, and your family there in gaza, do you feel the world understands that many in gaza are not part of hamas? many of them don't even sympathize with hamas? and that they are being considered just collateral damage for whatever will happen? and the feeling that your family and friends have, being in the situation that they have nothing to do with, other than where they live. in many cases for all of their lives. >> the world does not

understand. and if it does, it would have acted a long time ago. ayman has reported repeatedly about stories like my family's, he's watched my father pushed me and my siblings to rise above the violence, above the war, above every selfless, violent nation -- against my people. because there is no way for it but pace and forgiveness. but the persistent message, i and millions and thousands of everybody in the west bank and gaza strip, not 50 years ago, not 70 years ago, but -- the consistency and refusing -- ideas. refugees, sovereignty, independents, eight of palestine. instead, they opt for short term solutions because quite

simply we have the netanyahu right wing government not interested in lasting pace between israelis and palestinians to end this conflict once and for all. so the world doesn't understand. i don't know, but the world has not done enough to protect these thousands of civilians in gaza. and these people have gone through this many many times before. in 2014 -- a 15-day war in gaza. and here it is, happening again. with no result inside. >> yousef bashir, tankers him much. it is very important that we always acknowledge, and we are thinking about the human toll of the israeli people and the palestinian people. thank you for being here. up next, israel's attack by air, sea and land. it began a moment. and israeli defense for spokes person will join us next to talk about what we could see. don't go away, you're watching msnbc. tching

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goli, taste your goals. coverage of israel's war. the israel-hamas war. it is 30 past the hour here in new york. 11:30 pm in israel and gaza right now. here is what's new. israeli rockets strikes continue to fall on gaza, which the atia florence will be the

targets of an integrated and coordinate attack from air sea and land. saying they plan to focus their attacks on gaza city. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu promising israeli in front treatment on the gaza border that, quote, that next stage is coming. secretary of state antony blinken continued to pursue diplomatic solutions today, and that unit are emirates as the state department tells not emergency u.s. government officials to leave israel now. the israeli government is reporting that 43 countries represented by those murdered and missing. at this hour, nbc news reported at least 1300 people have been killed in israel and gaza at least 2161 have been killed. joining us now to discuss the latest information from the israeli defense forces about their next move is the spokesperson for the idf, tenant colonel jonathan incongruous. welcome, colonel. first, let's start with you

have to the next tag will be a major escalation what. is the timeline for that and what does a major escalation look like? >> first of, all thank you for having me. it wouldn't be wise to advertise the timeline. but what i can say is that we are going to dismantle hamas and its military capabilities to make sure that this war ends, which was forced upon us and we didn't choose this war. but when it ends, hamas will not have the ability to threaten or kill the israelis ever again. >> you say that you don't want to publicize the timeline. i understand that. but has the offensive, this major escalation already started? >> no, it has not. what we are doing is, as we speak, there are ros being fired from gaza at israel by

persons and a bomb shelter a few hours ago in tel aviv. hamas is still firing rockets all over israel. they continue to launch terrorist attacks -- those attacks are being -- active combat on the ground as well. and as we speak, we're actively striking hamas targets from the air and that chauvin from the ground as well, but mostly from the air. we are targeting commanders, hamas commanders, operatives, targeting their infrastructure, their financial capabilities, their logistics, and frankly anything that has a military focus for hamas. that's what we are targeting. regarding the next stage, what we're trying to do in order to prepare for the next stage of intensification of our operations is to get civilians out of the way. and we have called upon civilians and gaza, in arabic,

multiple hours ahead of time, more than 24 hours ahead of time, please vacate northern gaza and go south. to it for your own safety, because you are not theemy and we areooki to strike you. it's mho also that these got civilians will indeed, as the map shows, go from the red zone to that yellow zone. and by doing that, that will enhance their own security and have a better chance of getting out of this war alive. >> lieutenant colonel, this is ayman. thanks for your time. i want to clarify, is the objective of the military, the israeli military right now, to destroy hamas once and for all? or is it to rescue the hostages that are in gaza? >> you touched upon, you're right. you're touching upon a very, very delicate point. we are at an unprecedented situation. more than 140 confirmed

hostages whose families have been notified by the authorities in israel. something we've never dealt with before. we know that hamas planted in advance, so we know they have taken steps to hide the whereabouts of those hostages. women, children, elderly, babies, and even holocaust survivors being held by hamas. and while it is our top priority to be compact, the aim of the operation is to dismantle hamas and its military capabilities. >> thank you for clarifying. that if your goal is to destroy hamas once and for all, as you say, to whether or not the hostages, as reported, and as claimed by others, have been killed as a result of this bombardment going on, and the destruction of the northern part of gaza? >> listen. the source of that information is hamas. >> that's why i'm asking if you have any information about it. >> any information coming out

of the gaza strip from hamas, i think everybody should treat it with a high level of suspicion. i'd like to [inaudible] hamas, on the second or third day of war, when we started to fire from the air, how moss put out a statement saying we are going to execute hostages if you don't stop targeting us. so if you put those two things together, they now claim that there are did hostages, and before they said they'd stop to execute them. and my mind, the logic, if the hostages or did, and in any case i wouldn't believe a single word they say. >> mr. conricus, l sharpton. when you said the people in gaza are not the enemy, hamas is. when you look at the effect they are in many cases out of gas, out of fuel, can't move, their bridge is closed, have

you factored in with your timeline, you're talking about people you say are not the enemy, our infect in real danger of being killed or harmed because they just can't physically do what has been prescribed by your forces? >> yes. we have. and i would like to elaborate on that because i think it's very important to make that abundantly clear. we take many steps in order to minimize the impact of war fighting on civilians. we -- live updated intelligence whenever hamas operatives appear anywhere, or based on previous intelligence that we have. those are the locations we strike and we have very good awareness of the locations of sensitive -- and ensure, what we are doing everything we can to do the right thing. to fight hamas, the enemy, and

not the civilians. >> mr. conricus, before we let you go, two questions. one, it was reported earlier by our nbc news colleagues there was an agreement breach between egypt, israel, and that united states to allow americans to pass through that border between egypt and ghana. our colleagues are on the ground, reporting the border has yet to be opened. will the border open soon? and secondly, i understand your concerns about the civilians, but the question -- are you all in the process of establishing a humanitarian corridor to allow u.n. workers food, fuel to come in, medical supplies. >> regarding your first question, what we have seen in the gaza strip is hamas taking active measures in order to undermine and stop the flow of gazans from the northern part of this trip towards the south.

they're actively undermining the evacuation efforts, putting civilians at risk. what they do that? because they want them there. they want the casualties, they want the atrocities for political purposes. and i think that beyond shameful. but no one hamas, nothing is beneath them. and the situation in rafah, i read this report myself. i understand that it was the palestinian gates that weren't open and that is, of course, just like everything else and gaza, controlled by hamas. they are responsible for war. they are responsible for the consequences. >> idf spokesperson jonathan conricus, we're going to follow up on this claim with our colleagues about that's not of the border. thank you very much for your time. appreciate it. coming out, the delicate diplomacy at play as secretary of state antony blinken continues his wartime tour of the region. and the response to this growing humanitarian crisis.

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posted by the white house on x. president biden held a call with the families of americans unaccounted for after the hamas attack on israel. again, there are 14 individuals currently unaccounted for. the president saying there is no higher priority than finding out what happened to their relatives. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> folks, there is no harder priority. and i know that people get on and talk to you and say they have an idea of what it's like. but i know from experience, there is not a single thing more and more worrisome than to have someone you love, someone you adore, or a door issue, and not knowing their fate. not knowing their fate. we made it clear how important

this is to you, to me, personally, and to all the american people. it really is. it really, really is. and we are not walking away. we are not walking away. i promise you. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> as we speak at this hour, both israel and the u.s. are item to find diplomatic solutions to end the violence from hamas. secretary of state antony blinken is on a motivation tour of the region as a court to compel middle eastern leaders to help facilitate peace. and to consider the plight of 1 million palestinians fleeing north from the north of gaza to the south as israel borders -- orders evacuations. joining us now -- msnbc contributor. where to happen to us. i'll start with you. this is quite remarkable moment for the secretary of state. he is shuttling between arab capitals and there is no doubt, one of the objectives right now is to try and allow for israel

to continue its operation. but from the era perspective, it's the session of hostilities and he has to have to reconcile that. >> i think whenever you see that secretary of defense of the united states, out somewhere in the world, you know it's probably something bad happening. when you say that u.s. victory of the state there is always a possibility for hope and progress and conversation, and i think tony blinken is actually doing an extraordinary job walking this very delicate balance of showing up to our power and denouncing the tourism, saying we support them, and recognizing a humanitarian crisis we're all watching in realtime. and so, the shuttle diplomacy is so important. because the escalation is something i think we're all worried about. a few weeks ago, somebody asked me why does america care about peace in that region. we were just talking about the israeli saudi deal. you know you have americans killed, americans taken hostage, and americans on the border of

gaza trying to get into egypt. so we are involved and it's crucial to bring our golf partners in. the effect he went to -- talk to the one nation of the gulf that obviously isn't conversation with hamas, these are all key, very delicate competitions. and incoming is nonstop. 20,000 americans in the last week. so it's active work and it's work that you are constantly doing, proactive and react at the same time. >> huma, you mentioned the secretary of state. i want to play a bit of sound from secretary blinken, thursday, on what the u.s. is doing for the humanitarian crisis in gaza. take a listen. >> when it comes to providing for civilians in gaza, both ensuring that they can be out of harm's way and that they can have access to the support that they need, that humanitarian

assistance, food, medicine, water, our focus now is on helping to create safe zones. and we're doing that with leading international organizations. engagement with israel. and we're working with other countries to the end. that's where our focus is. >> how would you assess that u.s. current position rendering aid to the palestinian people? >> i think that they're doing what they can, sort of, from -- obviously we're not talking to hamas directly. we're talking to the egyptian government fairly regularly. there has been so much confusion about that border crossing at, rafah, -- quid pro quo, love the supplies in. civilians out. and i think this is a lot, a lot of it happening behind the scenes. we are not seeing how active these concerns are and ripening fairly intensely. but i think that humanitarian relief is something that our government is probably doing

what they can. but we're-limited. we don't have troops on the ground. and so, it is frankly chairman people in a way to allow the humanitarian aid in. no one saying it's easy. we are looking at this images, and the one thing i was listening to one of your earlier guests talking about the history and how difficult this is, the history is complicated but there have been efforts. and i, it's somebody who worked in the white house when president clinton was championing peace in the middle east at camp david, that was a deal. people would argue, experts would argue it was the based deal the palestinians would have gotten in the time. you head an israeli cabinet that voted to support that deal -- and arafat walked away. and the second intifada started as a result of that deal walking a power. and the first thought it ended, as you all know, with the

signing of peace accords and nine 83. there is, in my opinion, no way around getting to a solution that isn't hard and messy. i've written about this. ayman knows this, symone knows this. i've written about. this -- it's quickly complicated and confusing. but we have two for the second for children. we have to. >> huma, you make a very important point. i want to bring you in here because -- the thing i learned at the white house, it was like pure for me. laura's are ended at diplomatic negotiation tables. and so, part of the focus for me of antony blinken's trip is to not just broker peace but also those 150 american hostages that are currently in custody. so can you talk a little bit about the balancing act because we haven't heard folks talk about a cease-fire yet. there is words that are usually used in these instances, we're

talking about diplomatic relations that have not been used yet. >> absolutely. i think one of what makes the situation different is a shock to israel. israel is calling this their 9/11. in a surprise, every paradigm has been thrown at the window. the rhetoric we're hearing from military officials, we heard on your show, simone, the spokesperson for the idf say the objective is basically the total annihilation of hamas, they're going to go after their infrastructure and commanders. they have tried to win this in the past. and the military solution has not lead to more security for israelis on the other side of the border as we saw, tragically, last week. if that's the objective, the objective of total annihilation, then if history teaches us anything, it will maine that perhaps for a period of a few weeks, a few months, maybe even

have to hear, is there will be a listening and the level of violence. but hamas replaces commanders very quickly. really, if you follow medalist in history, if you follow the news out of the middle east, any kind of permanent solution will have to involve some diplomatic negotiation. especially if you consider the fact that it's that lives of more thin 130 hostages and stake. american citizens, by the, way dual nationals trapped inside gaza. and you have these images coming out of the gaza strip, absolute human misery. a horrible situation for ordinary civilians and also people who cannot move, as reverend sharpton mentioned. some people just cannot move, physically, from the north to the south. so you have a really terrible humanitarian situation. and this images were also goodwill heavily on how quickly and how effectively diplomats

and western capitals and arab capitals will want to come to some sort of solution to end the hostilities, symone. >> hala and huma, one second. i want up to if he was with recognize we're getting from the state department. it gives a sense of how dynamic and tragic situation continues to be. we have confirmation from the u.s. state department, the number of u.s. citizens that have been killed as a result of this war is now 29. 29 you as citizens have been killed. that number has now gone up. there are 15 u.s. citizens still unaccounted for. it gives you a sense of just how this unfolding tragedy continues, as we were saying earlier, to impact countries all around the world, the region, and here in the u.s.. it's a situation will continue to follow and we'll have more for you as we are. and >> we're also learning, more breaking news coming and

now. outrage out from president biden's call with the president of the palestinian authority. and i want to read a bit from the read out. it says, president abbas briefed president biden on his engagement in the region and effort urgently needed humanitarian assistance to palestinian people, but likely and gaza. president biden offering the palestinian authority his full support for the ongoing efforts. rave, i think that speaks to the point you are making about the humanitarian crisis unfolding there. >> and i think we should not get away from the humanitarian crisis. many of us were outraged with the terrorist attack in israel. we still are. but we do not want to compound it with another humanitarian crisis, in terms of what's going on in gaza. in my opinion, all human life is important, particularly people that are civilians that had nothing to do with this. people at a peace concert, many

who probably support of the two-state solution and were shot down. they were not of any value. i don't care what side we are on, we have to stand up for people. >> the human toll, again, we must continue to emphasize it. huma abedin, thank you very much, hala gorani, tank. you we appreciate you. i want to go to raf. now >> many people in the region are still waiting for word on the fate of their loved ones. one woman is calling on the european union to help get hurt missing family members home. shira havron, her grandfather fled germany before rope or two. he founded a kibbutz in southern israel. as he started a new life for him and his family. 76 years later, that same kibbutz became a hamas target. now, ten of shira havron's family members are missing. shira has joined us now.

>> -- >> thank you for being with us. we've got more of her msnbc news special coverage coming, special, but before they do. tell us about your grandfather. tell us about your family. how they are dealing with this because i think, again, when we get past the politics and who's side you are on, we are dealing with human life and we are dealing with people that did not ask any way, shape or form to be on one side or the other. they're just living their lives. >> yeah. thank you for having me here. fortunately, it's really hard to say, but my grandfather is not here to say this. his children being cut mapped. so on sunday morning, i learned my family was under attack and the kibbutz olive be'eri, and

the south of israel. we lost contact with them around not i am our time, and actually, we didn't hear from them ever since. it's been a week. it's actually the first time seeing the pictures you are showing right now, the video. so it's really, really hard to watch. but yeah. we had some people tell us as well to houses burned down, emptied, now we know. and my uncles phone was located and the gaza strip. that led us to believe they were being held hostages there. we don't know anything else that contradicts that possibility. so yeah. ten of my family members. there used to be 11, we learned one had died. my uncles caregiver, my uncle

has and ultimate disease -- that are situation. >> as we look at those pictures, you talk about your family. they were not involved at all with any of what we and the outside world look at the conflict between israel and hamas. they were just ordinary people that had found a way to live and we're living a life. give us a sense of that. because i think that sometimes we look at us against them, and from what i'm gathering from you, your family was not in the us or them. you were just living a life. >> yeah, that's very true. my family was living there for many decades now. they built a beautiful kibbutz, and my family are just normal people living their lives, to an amazing work and volunteering. you know, my aunts has an ngo

that helps people. my other and is a social worker who helps people with ptsd of all kinds. there are also people with pace values, palestinian friends, we want peace for everyone. we want them home. we really want them home. >> shira havron, think you for being with us this evening. >> we have got more of our msnbc special coverage of the israel hamas war starting at the top of the hour. we will have a live report from near the border in israel. then we'll go live to the israel lebanon border, we are communities are bracing for the violence to expand northward. and later, we'll talk to an american currently living in tel aviv. why she says, in spite of a terrifying seven days, she's not leaving. that's all coming up, next. ing up, next

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