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from israel to gaza. as a ground defensive is expected to begin soon. more than 360,000 military services have been mobilized. just to put the size of that in perspective, the total number of u.s. forces in the reserves across the air force are marines and navy. it is just over 330,000. israeli men and women living overseas in the united states and across europe are getting notifications that they are being called to serve. they are packing their belongings up. they're returning to fight. over 100 hostages remain unaccounted for as families in israel play pray for any sign of survival. the israeli military is also preparing for a potential second front in the israeli lebanon border, with a buildup of battle tanks and armored personnel carriers a few miles from lebanon. this comes as the idf attacked several hezbollah targets today in lebanon. late today, axios reporter said that iran sent to message to israel on saturday, saying that it does not want further

escalation in the hamas israel war. it will have to intervene if the israeli operation in gaza continues. a few of the major questions now, and we are going to dive into all of them over the next two hours. when will israeli troops push into gaza? what is next? what will that look like? ? what happens to civilians that are not able to get out or choose not to leave? there are more than 1 million people in northern gaza told to abandon their homes. this morning, they were promised a short window for safe passage. it was hardly safe, as the air strikes continued. as many as 70 people, mostly women and children were killed yesterday after israeli airstrikes hit convoys of palestinian evacuees hitting south in gaza. united nations called israel's evacuation impossible. the situation in gaza is a matter of life or death. for many, the prospect of moving their families away from their homes with the risk of never being able to return, and with limited prospects for shelter, food, and survival on the other side making it an

untenable choice. hospital's staff said they could not evacuate or abandoned their patients. ahead of gaza's largest hospital, 35,000 people are taking shelter inside. and nbc news camera crew gained access to the hospital and saw young children with bloody limbs and always lined with families awaiting updates for their loved ones. there are also reportedly between 500 and 600 americans stuck in gaza. earlier today, egyptians and israelis were said to have reached a tentative agreement allowing u.s. citizens, and some foreign nationals to leave gaza through the rafah border crossing in northern egypt. those on the ground say that they were simply left waiting, trapped in gaza. unable to cross. the palestinian americans from new jersey said, quote, nobody has any information or any update. as we wait for the ground defensive to begin, we are also bracing ourselves for a deepening humanitarian crisis. for the next two, hours we're going to be talking across the region with military escorts, bringing you everything we know

about the facts on the ground. we are also going to be expecting president biden to speak in about 30 minutes at the human rights campaign's annual national dinner. if he does address the war, we will bring you those remarks as soon as they come. just moments ago, we learned the president biden spoke with prime netanyahu today for the fifth time. the to discuss the situation on the ground. netanyahu thanked biden for the deep and unconditional support for israel, and the two agreed to keep in contact. also moments ago, the state department confirmed that the number of americans killed in the conflict so far is up to 29. at least 1300 people have also been killed in israel, and over 1900 in gaza. we begin our coverage tonight on the ground in israel with nbc's richard engel and alison barber, who are both near the israel gaza border. thank you both for being there. richard, i want to start with you. tell us what you are seeing, where you are, and what your expectations are over the next 24 to 48 hours. >> i can tell you what we are seeing, and also what we are hearing.

right now, it is quite quiet. perhaps the quietest night that we have had over the last several days. gaza city has been blacked out behind me. we are on the israeli side of the gaza border. where we, are even though it's in israel. it is relatively abandoned. nobody on the streets, it's extremely quiet. in the background, just where you can sort of see the edge of the lights, that's where the city begins. that's where palestinians have been told to leave. you can hear tank fire. you can hear it echoing through this empty city as the sound waves bounce off of the buildings. inside of gaza, there is a spirit of panic, and also one of defiance. people in gaza city are not just bracing for a fight, they do not want to fight. those that have chosen to stay in gaza have chosen to stay

either because they do not want to leave because israel is telling them to leave. we have spoken to people they believe they should not have to leave, that they are staying there because this is their home. many people in gaza were made refugees by previous rowers, and they fear that if they leave now and head south, they say they have nowhere to go. if they go south, there will be another generation of displaced people. this conflict has seen so much different from the outside, as it is seen in gaza. from the outside, it is quite simple. hamas, a terrorist organization, carried out a brutal atrocity, and it did so butchering 1300 israelis. now it has no choice but to go in and disarm hamas, and destroy hamas. for the people inside of gaza who did not generally elect hamas because it was initially elected, and then took over. the people there feel that

they're pending by israel, under attack, they're trapped. this is a moment -- they're going to die tonight, and they might as well die in their homes, or die tomorrow. they might as well die in their homes. why run to the south and and a potentially getting killed on the road, or end up stranded and dying in the desert? the people in gaza right now, blacked out, many of them are sheltering in hospitals. the israelis are not so much talking about deadlines anymore. we can focus on the deadlines. the deadlines have all come and gone. the israelis are saying to forget about the deadlines. just go south. they made more appeals to the people of gaza. save your lives. the people there, as i was saying, said we are not going to go. we are going to stay. whatever comes is going to come because our lives are so terrible anyway. there is such a high risk of dying. we might as well stay here and

see what happens. >> so important to hear the perspective from within. remembering that there are more than 2 million people there with few options. a wanted to ask you. it seems like former what richard is saying, it's a lot quieter than it has been. i know you've been on the border, covering the border, because i've watched our coverage for 90 days now. does it feel quieter to you? have you seen israeli tanks, military equipment crossing? what do you think that means? >> it's been a little bit quieter in the last couple of hours than it was in this area around this time last night. that being said, we are seeing a lot of tank movement. just running into look offside because there is a tank crossing on the road right behind, or right in front of me rather, where we are standing. just moving towards the direction of gaza. the last few days, our team has seen hundreds of israeli tanks and military vehicles along this area. we are on the israel gaza

border on the north side of it. we have seen massive amounts heading towards gaza. oftentimes, you see troops, just packed full of troops. we are starting to hear some booms heading in the direction of gaza. this is been happening on and off for the last couple of hours. let's see. i'm looking to see if we can see anything here. we will often hear that boom that starts, sounds like the, under some sort of storm is brewing in the distance. from where we are, we can see the skyline oftentimes of gaza lighting up with just a flash of orange. we have seen a lot of military equipment moving through this area. we have seen over the last couple of days a lot of flatbed trucks carrying massive amounts of artillery, as well as heavy moving equipment. again, all headed towards the direction of gaza. tonight, we are hearing another boom in the distance right now. we have seen a couple of waves of airstrikes in this area. at one, point maybe four hours ago now, there was missiles

that had come from the israeli side over here and headed towards gaza. again, there has been that rolling boom. we have also heard at one point what we thought was an artillery bombardment inside of gaza. the big question that we have been asking israeli forces, i spoke to a spokesperson with the israel defense forces on thursday. it is about the possibility of evacuations. there is obviously, as you reported so well, telling civilians in the northern part of gaza, particularly around gaza city to evacuate south and go past the gaza river. moving is difficult. the power plant inside of gaza is out of fuel now. the u.n. has sent hundreds of thousands of people sheltering in their schools. and in their hospitals in the area. if people wanted to leave gaza, that is not and has not been an option. the only land crossing but they could possibly get out of that does not go into israeli territory is that crossing on the border with egypt. egyptian officials have said that it was closed.

it was never fully open. on tuesday, because of israeli airstrikes near the area, the damaged and made him in operable. when i spoke with a spokesperson for the idf and asked if they would support egypt opening that up to people, they said they could not discuss diplomatic discussions. ultimately, his answer was that they have tried to warn civilians to get out of the way and evacuate elsewhere. he was adamant in saying that this is a war in a situation of hamas > alison, thank you so much. the rafah crossing is something we will all be watching. a lot of americans and former national out there as well.

richard, before you go, i want to ask about reporting you have been doing instead of a hospital at gaza. hospital officials have said that they are not going to leave, they cannot leave, what are we learning about what is happening there. but >> people are sheltering in hospitals in gaza city. that happens every time this conflict. every time there is a conflict in gaza, people rushed to mosques or they rushed to the hospital. the main hospital in gaza city -- according to the director, we have seen pictures tonight from the hospital. there are 35,000 people sheltering in that hospital. the men are outside, they are sleeping in the parking lot. they were holding a small rally in the parking lot trying to keep their spirits up. the women and children are inside. it is one of the last buildings that has power. they are running a generator with power, hospital officials say they have two or three more days. they think with gasoline,

keeping the place running. this hospital has not been given a specific evacuation order for people to leave, but other hospitals have. three other hospitals in gaza city were told directly that they should take their patience and head south. they should evacuate the buildings. those other three hospitals refused directly, saying we cannot do that. that would be inhumane. it would be cruel and impossible. they are staying at the hospital. the other people at al-shifa our also remaining at the hospital. patients on the ground, all of the beds are full and they are running low on supplies. there are many women and children. we saw images of -- not just taken by hamas, propaganda videos, this was taken by our own team. people that i've known personally for a long time. when the camera pans left and right, you see lots of injured

women and children. it is not entirely surprising considering the 40% of the population of gaza is under 15 years old. it is a very young population. it is a very dense population. when you carry out strikes in gaza, even if it is trying to target hamas. even with all of the precise military equipment and intelligence, there will be many casualties. if israeli tanks tonight, tomorrow, they really have no idea when. it is all a guessing game at the stage. when they do go, in it's very likely that they -- there will be israeli casualties certainly, it's going to be hard to fight inside of gaza with all of its tunnels. as you, said you're going to be talking about that tonight. it also makes it extremely hazardous for the people that are still in that city. >> richard angle, thank you very much. thank you for being on the ground, and for your reporting. well we'll let you to get back to that. we appreciate you being with us tonight. joining us now are to retire generals, barry mccaffrey, and

steph twitty. i want to thank you for being here as we understand this. general mccaffrey, i will start with you. the idf said today that they are preparing to implement a wide range of defensive operation plans, which include, in their words, it integrated and coordinated attack for the air, sea, and land. it seems quite on the ground there right now, from richard and alison's reporting. what does the next stage look like? what are you watching for? as you're looking for that to begin. >> it's going to be a bloody mess, that's no question. hamas might have as many as 30,000 fighters. they're using the civilian population to protect themselves. they're underground, they will resist. the refugees are obviously in desperate circumstances. they're moving south out of the main combat zone. the idf has no option but to respond if they grant immunity and hamas, inside of gaza,

there will never be another piece in israel. they are going to go in and try to dominate the surface level. they will go underground with tunnel rats and intelligence, special ops. they will try and capture and exterminate the hamas leadership. they will stay for a month, the three months, and hopefully it will give them a couple of years for peace. that's what we're about to see. >> we've been watching a great deal of hostages, the reporting suggests that they would be in the tunnels. they would be spread out. they're being used as human shields. lieutenant general, we have overseen a lot of operations. if israel wants to destroy hamas, how did they take into account these hostages? do they get these hostages back? they are also launching this crowned defensive. how does this work? >> i'll tell you, it is no easy

answers to any of this to include the hostage situation. as you know, hamas has complex tunnels underneath gaza. it would probably have intelligence, although i do not know right now. many of the hostages are dispersed. throughout gaza as a whole, currently they have special operating forces trying to figure out two things. number one, where the hostages are, and number two, what are the vulnerable locations for the ground forces to come in? the other piece of this is this hostage situation, it could go either way. sadly, you are dealing with hostages that might die in this case. they might be used once the ground attack commences. it might trigger hamas, just the next few. let's hope that it does not end this way. we are hoping that there is diplomacy behind the scenes

that perhaps can be helped out here. i say all of this to say that there is no good options. let's hope for the best. let's hope we can find them and get them home. >> general mccaffrey, i wanted to ask you about the iran and hezbollah. we have seen a lot of activity on the border with lebanon. we have seen iran delivering a message to the u.n. today, saying that they do not want to escalate, this but they will have to intervene if israel proceeds. how concerned are you about this escalating into a larger war in the middle east? and about hezbollah's role, and how it could expand here? >> i think that is a central concern of the biden administration in this -- the magnificent secretary of state tony blinken is working the regional capitals right now. the saudis undoubtedly do not want to see the situation escalate. by the way, 100,000 fighters over in lebanon are likely to ensure this battle. there are shia muslims.

they are responding and funded by the iranians. i think that the idf has a working background assumption that at some point, they will enter the fray. this whole situation is going to get much worse in the coming weeks. israel has no option. they cannot live with the current situation. and certainly from hamas and gaza. >> there's been a lot of discussion about the rules of war. i want to ask you about this. as she is under significant threat from hamas, from hezbollah, what does it look like? explain to us what that is, what would violate the rules of war? >> what i will tell you, jen, i've been in this exact situation that israel is in right now. you have a population of 2 million people, and you have to go in and conduct urban warfare. first of all, you need a

professional military to go in and do such a thing. those that are going to be keeping the populist first and foremost. if you're a professional, that will be your number one. the problem is, you have too many young people in the third most dense population in the world. no matter what the israelis do here, whether they attack through the ground or air, there is going to be collateral damage here. as long as you keep in mind the intent to not have collateral damage, and safeguard first, then you think about how they can work without having that collateral damage. they will be okay, but at the end of the day, sadly enough, there are going to be plenty of innocent people that are going to die here simply because we are dealing with urban warfare. >> general barry mccaffrey, the

tenant general steph twitty. thank you both to try to make sense of this with us this evening. we have two full hours of breaking news coverage coming up tonight. right now, it is a little bit past 1 am sunday morning in israel. at this moment, israel soldiers are preparing an integrated and coordinated attack from the air, sea, and land. there are also warning that more than 1 million palestinians should evacuate northern gaza. up next, talking about the massive humanitarian crisis unfolding before our eyes. stay with us, we'll be back. ay with us, we'll be back. unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant... is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms... ...better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase

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currently power, water or fuel and food is running dangerously low and like austria. and advance of a ground offensive, israel has ordered more than 1 million people and gaza to evacuate northern gaza. but it is not clear that there is a safe place to go. the rafah crossing with agent is essentially cut off and there are dwindling options for them to get out.

plus for many, this is their home. a place for that theory built never be able to return to if that leave. u.s. officials estimate up to some americans are also still in gaza, earlier today that u.s. department had informed them that the border with age it could be open for a limited time, for a couple of hours today. that the border remains closed and no americans have reportedly been able to leave. joining me now is a much trickier, director for the group human rights watch who's been following the situation closely. omar, we're all trying to understand what's happening on the ground. we have so little visibility. give us just a sense of what the conditions look like at this point in time. >> the triple 2 million people of gaza that are basically caged in this 25 by seven mile strip of land that heavy border, copd have no electricity, no clean water, no internet no aid coming in. people are living in some of the most dire circumstances they have lived in. 1.1 million people, the half of guys at the israeli army had

ordered to evacuate, but as you noted, there is no safe place to go. yesterday it wasn't a strike that killed 50 people taking one of the distant safe routes out. the hospitals were overwhelmed at capacity. you have a situation and northern gaza, gaza's biggest hospital. patience, people with disabilities, older people evacuating their homes. as you are speaking jim, there are people who never shore to see the sunrise again. or the possibility of large scoutmaster tragedies, something that seemed unfounded-able only a week ago. >> i want to ask you more, because most people have not been to gaza and they don't know what it looks like, the size of it. it's a very large place. when they're being directed to go from north into southern gaza, what does southern guys look like? what would be there for them? where were people go there? they can't leave across that rafah crossing, so south on guys that seems like the other option, is that right? >> it's the only option.

that's if you're lucky enough to have family, relatives friends and those areas. but the roads to get there are strewn with rubble. there is no safe place to go, even their, talking about a narrow strip of land. it's important also to recognize this as a population that lived under closure policy for 16 years. we are talking about 2.2 million people. how far children. that majority of them had never left got out there and what life because a federal restrictive travel policy. they have been living under occupation for half a century. 70% of the refugees who are blocked from their right to return to their homes and sent israel. and 80% rely on him entering aid. so we really have a situation of a population that's lived through unspeakable horrors who have no place to go that our haven't bombs rained on them for nothing they personally did. we're talking about actions by hamas, crimes they committed. but we're punishing an entire population, 2.2 million people.

>> u.s. officials are trying to negotiate humanitarian corridors anticipate a little confusing, to try to follow as well. because it seems, perplexing as to what can happen, why can't they get in? what are the biggest obstacles and setting up a safe passages? >> the biggest obstacles the israeli government continues to maintain this within closure on the gaza strip. and even if you get in, jane, and must be the number one ask, people need clean water, electricity, fuel to operate generators. we are going to run out of anything. and right now the populations using water unfit for human consumption that can cause water borne illnesses. you need fuel to run the generators, which is what hospitals are running on. so eight needs to enter. the obstacle is select of political will of the israeli government, primarily. obviously agent has also sealed its crossing. it's important that aid enters via egypt but also via israel.

ultimately, what's just as important is electricity, water get in. and ultimately that all parties, namely the israeli government adhere to international humanitarian law, that they avoid indiscriminate bombings, that they not target civilian infrastructure, and ultimately, we're only going to keep repeating these cycles of bloodshed and violence unless we left the unlawful closure of gaza and anti-israeli governments crimes of apartheid and persecution against palestinians. >> just to focus on the humanitarian situation right now, egypt, as you mentioned, has been reluctant to open the rafah crossing up. they didn't do that today, seemingly, even though they said they would do to let americans out. there's also a report that they are ordering tents to be pinched and. rafah ordered the creation of a buffer zone. what would be the impact of a chip open the rafah crossing? there be a bunch of people who want to park? would that help solve anything or are people overly focusing on that as an option? >> i think people, look.

it's important that those that need urgent, lifesaving medical care gave to help the knee. it's important people of gaza have options that are -- and that might be the only outlet available for them. but we need to remember the palestinians understandably worry that they're seeing a repeat of what happened to them in 1948, when the same israeli military -- bearing down on your cities, towns, villages, forced to flee or were expelled. they have been waiting 75 years to return to their homes. so there is concern by palestinians that what might seem like a temporary relocation for safety might be a lifetime of displacement. palestinians across the occupied territory and israel have been displaced, hundreds of thousands over the years. so they need to have all the options available. it's not for egypt, it's not for me or hugh to tell people under bombardment how to survive. but at the same time, if they do choose to -- it needs to be clear they can return because they have the

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with the names and faces of the missing. others held banners saying that prime minister benjamin netanyahu head full responsibility for the failures that led to the terrorist attack and called on him to resign. the continued grief and anger comes as we learn more about the plant behind italy's terrorist attack in israel's history. including exclusive reporting from nbc news at the october 7th hamas attackers carried within detailed maps and plans. top secret hamas documents obtained by nbc show terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and our youth center. joining me now is nbc news national security editor david rohde and with us from israel, the editor and chief of the jerusalem post. david, to start with you. your reporting is -- as a mother of elementary school students, it's really a bad shock of what they were targeting. but it seems like from reading this, how moss knew who they wanted to attack, the head advanced plans, advanced

details. it seems like they were underestimated to some degree. and i'm also very surprised that there were so, able to quickly run as really -- but tell us more about what you found in your reporting and, what if anything, surprised you given how long you've been covering this region. >> i first want to critic my colleague, ana schachter who's been covering this story for a long time. she was the key person getting these documents. and i was amazed at the extent of the preparation of the maps, detailed plans, how many cars should go to a certain location. and one chilling thing was that different teams. and one team was designed to go into a kibbutz or a village and surround different buildings, and talk specifically about schools, elementary schools as you mention. another target was cafeterias where people would eight communally in the village. and it basically, there were

mentions of getting hostages and also to kill as many people as possible. so extremely detailed planning and clear intention to get hostages. >> earlier today, i make this earlier, a number of protesters demonstrated outside the ministry of defense. some of them even calling for prime minister netanyahu's resignation. right now, of course, prime minister netanyahu and the military's focused on this current offensive that they're planning and we're all awaiting. but how do you think this political pressure, of course it has to be on his mind, but how do you think that impacts him and his approach over the coming days and even weeks? >> i'm sorry, jen, i feel like i have to respond to what was just said. because i've heard this report but i hadn't heard it and as much detail as we just shared. today was shabbat here in israel, a jewish day of rest. a day's pit with friends and family, i spent time around a

lot of friends and their kids. and i literally can't be around children without starting to tear up and think about what happened last weekend. the number of children who were murdered, who were burned to death, massacred in unspeakable ways simply unthinkable. and the fact this was premeditated, this is not only a byproduct of this, but the actual plan. the plan was to murder as many jewish children as possible. it just shows the threat as royal faces. in terms of how the israeli public as responding, i think is a great deal of anger as we grieve. but this also a great deal of determination to move forward. and as i think you mentioned, there is a great deal of pressure for the prime minister and government to move forward with some kind of the real serious military campaign, targeting hamas leadership. targeting hamas infrastructure in gaza. to make sure nothing like south

today can ever happen again. and that's what you saw happening in tel aviv. that's what many israelis are filling at this time. >> avi, thanks for sharing your personal experience. it's important to remember the devastation being felt by so many people in israel, still feeling out of. course and will for a long time. i wanted to ask you, david, just about -- there is also a threat coming from hezbollah. israel couldn't spikes with test result -- you're familiar with the region. how concerned should we be about this expanding beyond the border and what are you hearing, kind of, about that possibility? >> i think we should be extremely concerned. the danger is that, you know, hezbollah had seemed a more powerful force than hamas. there is roughly 30,000 hamas fighters, that's the latest estimate. hezbollah is believed to have 100,000 fighters. they have more weapons than hamas. essentially, of hezbollah or to engage with israel, in northern

israel, it would create a second front and stretch is really forced out to a greater extent. and i think the reason, one of the reasons the u.s. dispatched an aircraft carrier group, is to send a message. our colleagues an nbc report this, wasn't a message to tehran, to iran, which is also a patron of both hamas and hezbollah and telling around, do not have hezbollah attack israel. do not expand this war. for now, it is focused simply on gaza. and we have a bloody battle ahead. and certainly suffering there on a huge scale, if this bridge to nolan israel it will be vastly worse. exponentially worse. >> though this afternoon, we saw that axios reporter, iran sent a message through that you enter israel saying we don't want to escalate this, but if you continue the war, if you continue this, efforts into gaza, will have to potentially intervene.

i want to ask you, of a, just about what you're hearing about the grunt offensive and obviously how the israeli military and israeli government is confronting this kind of two-pronged at potential war. are you hearing anything about timing or what we should expect on that front? >> i think to your first point, iran is already involved. iran was the one behind this offensive. it's very very clear. the wall street journal and others reported it was around who helped with the planning and gave the greenlight for the massacre. so the notion around could be engaged in saber rattling -- it's absolutely. this is an iranian-backed, iranian developed offensive. and it's israel's not only sovereign right but suffering to do respond. in terms of timing, we are a hearing different things. we know there's 350,000 israeli military reservists have been mobilized. they're talking about a matter of hours, perhaps days, that's what i'm here in terms of the

potential 80 for a great offensive. of course is a perilous prospect. it's likely that israeli servicemen and women will be in harm's way. and of course, many people are very concerned about the prospect of a northern front developing as well. hezbollah, as has been mentioned, has one of the largest missile arsenals, not only of any terrorist organization but of anyone in the world. many more that many other countries actually. and so their ability to recap havoc in israel is quite substantial. and that will be a very perilous potentially indeed. >> avi and david, thanks for reporting for us and for all the in such offered. i should just note, the u.s. government has not confirmed iran's knowledge or involvement of the hamas attack. but -- there is more to discover there, we'll see. coming up, a marine corps veteran, congressman seth moulton, says israel it's a plan for what happens after the crown invasion of gaza.

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representative's top and limbaugh as the war in israel and despite second week. without a speaker of the house, congress cannot pass a package of additional assistance to israel or ukraine for that matter. and it appears the republican majority is no closer to electing a speaker. after a series of votes behind closed doors, yesterday, house republicans know that congressman jim jordan o ohio.

the problem is, well one of the problems, hayes still more than 60 votes short of page 217 he'll meet on the house floor. so while republicans side are goal is to hold a vote of the full house on tuesday, it's unclear whether that will actually happen. what is clear, however, is that the majorities inability took off and could have an impact on the role of the u.s. and the world especially as we all watched what's happening in israel. i'm joined now by democratic congressman's death motion of massachusetts, a former essence or is visiting's. he served four tours and iraq. congressman, thanks so much for joining me. this evening. you served for a number of tourists and iraq, as i mentioned. you recently expressed concern about israel strategy to diantle hamas in gaza. he warned that, quote, if they just go and and kill hamas operatives today, you could well have twice as many tomorrow. i thought this was a really interesting point, because there are so much retaining and planning and the u.s. government and u.s. military, as you know, and it's not clear what's happening here. but tell me, more, a bit what

concerns the most. >> first of all, let me start with the fact that israel doesn't have to kill hamas operatives. that's part of the counter insurgency campaign, taking out what we call the irreconcilable terrorist people who we are never gonna be able to bring up to your side. and israel certainly is planning for the operation. but there is another piece of counterinsurgency we call insurgent math. and general mcchrystal famously estimated this to be either for everyone innocent building you kill, you recruit about ten terrorists. that's a real problem with the how change the populated gaza is. so if israel goes in and let's say they killed 1000 hamas terrorists and the first few weeks of the operation, i think that's gonna be tough for them to do given how well hidden will be and everything else. but let's say they can do that and they only kill 150 simmons. -- they have recruited 1500 hamas

new fighters. that's 50% more than the number they just killed. so really have a plan, not only to target hamas, but to protect the civilian population, or in the long run they're going to lose this war because it literally going to inspire more terrorists to the cause than they kill. >> we have general mccaffrey and lieutenant general twitty on earlier, talking about what to expect. how to approach the multiple challenges here. you served four tours and iraq. how does this operationalize what israel preparing right now? they have hostages that are reportedly potentially being held and tunnels, used as human shields. obviously there is hamas terrorists, they're trying to get and kill off. there are many civilians. what does this look like in terms of the ground operation? >> first of all, let me just start with authorities. i went to iraq, expecting to do one tour. and i come home to victory parade and california, because we thought we had won the war.

everybody thought we had won the war. but of course, it wasn't over. and soon thereafter i found myself back on another tour, to be followed by tomorrow, because long warhead started. after the initial victory, we went in and dismantled, disabled, to feted saddam's army, the uncertainty started. so israel faces the same fundamental challenge. they can go in and they can start killing hamas fighters, that's part of the effort, a reasonable thing for them to do. but then they have a real problem with this could drag on for a very long time. they need to think about the plan is for the day after. and it's tough. i remember one day, 2004, the urban warfare. we were cold and to actually rescue a special forces team caught in a school. and they had taken some casualties. we've got the casualties out. but then we as alter the school, it was just a two story building. we made one assault.

they went down the stairs. we had to pull out. i made the difficult decision, that i didn't want to see more young marines, potentially, lose their lives. so i called him and asked right on the building instead. that worked. but two things. first of, all that was just one small building. this is the buildings and gaza, about ten times as. told you can imagine how much more difficult this would be for the israeli soldiers going in there. and second of all, the result was that we had level to the school. we were confident there weren't any civilians and there, so we weren't necessarily create more terrorists immediately. but if we didn't think we built that school, parents were going to be furious. and so there is this whole second phase that the operation that we learned we had to do in iraq. after we had that successful assault, clear the city of terrorists, we then had to go in and spent months and months rebuilding its. rebuilding our relationship with the innocent people of --

rebuilding the infrastructure we had to start a problem for the fighting. and all of that was essential to actually win in the war. >> congressman seth moulton. it's so important to remember history, to remember experience. appreciate you sharing your thumbs evening. and our breaking news coverage continues after this quick break. stay with us. stay with us app. use it to set and track your goals, big and small... and see how changes you make today... could help put them within reach. from your first big move to retiring poolside - and the other goals along the way. wealth plan can help get you there. ♪ j.p. morgan wealth management.

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