scramble to prevent the conflict from spiralling into a wider conflict across the middle east. >> in moments, new sounds from this crisis which will send a chill down your spine. hi everybody, i'm yasmin the. in our second hour starting right now. i'm joining you here from new york city, our headquarters at msnbc. if you just joining, us welcome. if you're sticking with, us we are thankful for that. we are going to begin with breaking news that we have been following on the israel-hamas war as we keep an eye on developments with a live look at gaza and tel aviv as well, this split screen moment as the threat of an israeli ground incursion is learning. a lot of new things happening this hour. and idf spokesperson says 600,000 people have evacuated to the south gaza, sang israel is making tremendous efforts regarding stes and is prepared to fight on two fronts. an urgt appeal from gaza for

voluntary medical teams to suppt hospitals in the white house responng to iran's foreign minister saying no other regional actors to exploit the situation in gaza. iran previously said gaza strikes could cause the war to expand. >> [sirens] >> also new today, sirens in tel aviv as you can hear sending -- they came under hamas rocket fire. israel also reported taking rocket fire in the southern city of surat while israeli strikes are pounding along the gaza strip. >> [sound of gunfire] >> that video showing an explosion during rescuers following a previous strike on

the dubai refugee camp and desperate searches for any survivors, any of them following a strike on yet another refugee camp. more new video showing palestinians cooking with firewood as fuel supplies run low and israel's in energy minister says they will turn the water back on for parts of southern gaza following talks between the president and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. a new update on the 70 people killed when three convoys of evacuees in gaza were killed by strikes. and idf spokesman said israel didn't strike the convoy, adding, quote, it appears that hamas had the road booby trapped. here are the latest casuay numbers. 1400 killed, 3500 moved into israel. 2670 killed, 9600 wounded in gaza. 55 killed in the west bank, 1200 wounded as well. we have several reporters in place from israel to iran to lebanon. as we go to nbc's raf sanchez

on the israel gaza border, we're getting new video of israeli prime minister bibi netanyahu meeting with families of those taken hostage by hamas. what are you hearing about the efforts there to rescue these hostages ahead of this ground incursion? >> yasmin, prime minister netanyahu is under real pressure right now from the families of these hostages. there was a big demonstration yesterday outside of the israeli defense ministry, people chanting in both english and hebrew, bring them home. they want to see the israeli government taking action. the prime minister had been criticized. he was seen as remote. it has taken him almost a week to speak to some of the families of hostages. the reality is there are no good answers right now. those hostages are still alive because some of says that some 20 of them had been killed so far. they remain in the tunnels underneath gaza city. they are guarded by heavily

armed hamas fighters. we got a glimpse earlier today at some of the vast arsenal of weapons that these hamas terrorists carried into israel. we visited an israeli military base were some of the weapons were being analyzed. i want you to look at what we saw. >> this is just a fraction of the weapons the israeli military has recovered from hamas fighters in the field. i want to just walk you through some of the items here. this is a thermobaric bomb. it's a weapon designed to keep heat of up to 3000 degrees instantaneously. hamas terrorists, according to the israeli military, use these two incinerate whole families inside of their houses. the bulk of these weapons down here are rocket repelled grenades. the israeli military says it found around 1000 of them in the field. this is a level of firepower designed not just for killing civilians but for holding off israeli reinforcements for hours to come.

these are kalashnikov assault rifles, the standard issue of hamas forces. you can see an absolute arsenal of weapons. if my camera operator just points over here, these black charges are claim more explosives. they were planted at the gates of israeli communities. they were designed as booby traps to stop israeli troops coming in. critically, the israeli military says nothing they see here suggests the direct involvements of iran. these are the standard weapons you would expect. many of them are homemade inside of gaza. it gives you a sense of the firepower israel's military will be facing inside the gaza strip when the ground invasion begins. >> yasmin, the weapons in the room represented just 20% of the overall weapons that israel has recovered from dead hamas fighters which in turn only represents a fraction of

hamas's overall arsenal. that gives you the scale of it. it's just worse remembering, yasmin, when we think of the devastating terror attacks of the last 20 years, you think about the bataclan attack in paris, shootings in san bernardino. we are talking about, usually, a handful of people at most with assault rifles and you look at the weapons in that room and it's very clear that hamas is like a small army. >> raf sanchez, thank you. from israel, i want to go to iran where we find -- standing by for us with a development out of tehran. ali, i know you just recently spoke with, just within the last few hours, hamas's representative in iran. what did he share with you? >> yeah, that's right. it was an interview with hamas's representative in iran. not a lot of people know that they have an office here, that they also share with hezbollah. we had a long conversation

about why they started the war, what they hope to achieve. he gave the same talking points. this was because of the injustices. was this suicide? was launching this mission suicide? you knew that the retribution from israel was going to be huge and the people that were going to pay the biggest cost for that were the civilians in gaza. he didn't want to accept that. he said all of the civilians in gaza were behind this attack and we're ready for the fight with israel. he refuted that this was a suicide mission by hamas and he kept going on about the fact that they were going to be victorious once israel storms the gaza strip. when i was speaking to him, i asked him about his relationship with iran. i asked him the obvious question that everyone was asking about this attack. were they involved in the planning? he said no but he gave iran all

the credit for hamas being hamas. he admitted that iran gave them huge financial backing in supplies them with training. they know how to build their own rockets and weapons. he was very grateful for iran's help. this is a country which really has backed hamas and hezbollah for decades. i asked them if the ground assault takes place in gaza, are they expecting has brought hezbollah to get involved? he indicated that there is a possibility that they would get involved. ibility that they would ge involved they have allies through the region who will support them and fight against israel. he ended with saying that he doesn't think that the israeli state should exist. he said he doesn't have a problem with israelis and people living in the area but he doesn't believe that israel as a state should exist. it has been? >> what did he say it was the

actual objective of the attack? did he tell you anything about how long the planning was into the attack? did you talk to him about the pictures that many of us are seeing about how children, babies were brutally murdered and the pictures that we are now seeing coming out of gaza and how palestinians, some of which voted for hamas and their children, are being killed? >> yeah, i asked all of those questions, yasmin. firstly, he said the objective of the attack was an ongoing war. he didn't accept how badly normal palestinians were going to get hit because of hamas's actions. he tried to allude to the fact that everyone was behind this. i spoke to him. i said, why the brutality? if you are fighting an army, why the brutality of murdering women, children, abducting them,

throwing them in the back of a pick up and driving them to gaza? he denied that. he said those were not hamas fighters that did that. there is video out there. you can see that. the exchange got quite heated. he eventually said, no, these were just regular palestinian people who have such a big grudge against israel. they saw the hole in the fence and they poured across and they were exacting revenge. i kept pushing the point. they are armed groups like a militia. i don't condone anything like this bad behavior. i don't know what he meant by bad behavior but he said he didn't condone bad behavior. he was trying to walk away from the fast that hamas had committed these horrible atrocities which clearly was not just that. when we spoke about the innocent palestinians who are

going to get pounded in this, he had his own talking points, saying that all the palestinians were behind this. i talk to him about hamas hiding weapons in civilian buildings, in schools. he denied all of that. no, we have bases. we fight from bases. we don't use civilians as shields. he would not accept any of the things that are fact, that we know are happening on the ground to be fat. he made it sound like a very, very straightforward military operation which does not involve the civilian population. he was adamant that they were going to win the fight. to go back to your question about how long, he said this was going to be in the planning for a long time. he insinuated that maybe over two years this event in the planning. >> they were -- you know, alex, that i could talk to you about this forever. i'm going to have one more question for you and then i will let you go. i know it is quite late in tehran.

have they indicated at all, did he indicate at all that there were any ongoing negotiations when it comes to the hostages that were taken by hamas that are being held in gaza? does he think hamas will survive this considering that israel's objective is to essentially eradicate hamas and make sure they no longer govern the gaza strip? >> well, as far as the hostages go, he has not spoken about any tangible negotiations that are taking place. he's basically saying it's an ongoing situation. we have to see how it unfolds. those hostages are really being kept too -- [inaudible] they don't want to negotiate their release right now until they see what happens with the ground assault in gaza. that was not really a question

of debate for him about the hostages. as far as whether they think they are going to be victorious, i said to him, you basically committed suicide by this savage attack in israel. they are going to come down on you like a ton of bricks. he would not accept that. he kept saying that once they invade they are going to be victorious and they are going to deal a terrible blow to the israelis. >> okay, one more question. i lied. six billion dollars not being released, not being released as of now, the humanitarian money which was given in exchange for the hostages being managed by qatar. any reaction that we are hearing from tehran on that? any reaction at all in the streets of tehran to what we have seen, the carnage we have seen in both israel and gaza?

>> there has not been any reaction to the six billion dollars yet. i think they want to hear confirmation on that. if it's indeed officially frozen, they are not going to be happy here. they are going to make a really big deal about that six billion dollars, which is going to add even more tension between iran and the u.s.. it will be undetermined how iran acts once that is officially frozen by the u.s., if they think they were involved in this attack. as far as the reaction on the ground here, there is been both. there's been a government loyalists who have gathered in squares to protest against israel's incursion. there have been people here who don't support hamas. there have been instances in iran where people have not really supported hamas. it depends who you ask in this

country. >> i want to be clear on that reporting when it comes to that. not one single penny had been released to iran. there's no confirmation as to where the administration is going to go. it's important to make that clear. ali arouzi, thank you. really incredible stuff. we appreciate it. i want to bring in mark polymeropoulos. -- at the cia, responsible for seeing all operations and author of clarity and crisis, leadership lessons from the cia. great to talk to you. let me just get your reaction. i'm sure you just heard from our correspondent on the ground in tehran and the interview had with the hamas leader in iran. what is your take away? from that? >> about that reporting from ali was fascinating.

it will probably harden israeli resolve and israeli public and government. even with the attack, even before those statements from the hamas official, and in iran, israelis think that this is, and perhaps is an existential threat. there is inevitably here. israel is going to gaza. -- a huge humanitarian catastrophe. all eyes are on the north around the possible escalation. israelis, but government officials and the public, listen to that report, when hamas calls for the eradication of israel, it will make the resolve even stronger. >> the one thing that i have, one of the questions i have, -- one of, i should say. as israel is preparing for these invasions, and i talked about this in the last hour, it doesn't seem like they have an exit plan. the exit plane as of now, it

seems is, we have to get rid of hamas, and then what? we pull out, we leave, it does not seem like israel wants to occupy gaza again, or to govern in gaza again. then what? we have seen the results of what has happened in situations like that. in which you have an invasion, you pull out, and you are left with a lawless place where you have factions that are ready, willing, and able to make the security situation even worse than it already is. obviously actors like iran, as we just heard from ali, who are ready to pounce on that. >> yasmin, let's -- remember, we are one week out from all of this kicking off. i agree with you that the israelis probably do not have a plan. they're having immediate goals to go into gaza, certainly

trying to find and kill the hamas leadership, there's about 10,000 operatives around gaza city. and then also to counter and recover the hostages. you make a good point. as we hear, they're trying to move this now 600,000 but maybe 1 million residents north to the south. that means they are going to almost destroyed northern gaza. it is going to have to be rebuilt. we see reports of this, there are discussions already going on right now in the region with what the saudis are going to do, helping to rebuild. you are exactly right. we learned the hard way. an old palestine saying, if you break it, yell at. at the end of the day, we are going to have to figure out wh to do with gaza when this conflict ends. and how to, in essence, bring back the 600,000 to 1 million residents in the north who do deserve to go back to their homes. >> how concerned are you about the major intelligence failure

happening here? not only, it seems, from what assad and the intelligence coming out of israel, but also the u.s. intelligence. there is been reports of indicating something that is coming, not to that degree in which we saw, but how concerned should we be? and what does that say about our intelligence gathering in the region? >> yasmin, i've spoken a lot about this. it's a colossal intelligence failure by the israelis, and certainly these really military intelligence. we thought they had this net of human intelligence sources, spies and hamas, on the ground, and of course, where we believe they had signals intelligence monitoring and hamas's communication. a sensitive network of technical means, such as drones and sensors. that has certainly failed. if you think about it more, it was a regional failure. what about the egyptians that maintain a relationship with hamas and our great intelligence service?

the saudis, and finally my old tribe of the u.s. intelligence community. i know there has been reports about general in olympic products going to mid level officials that perhaps think would heat up. this is ultimately an intelligence failure for the agents. there's going to be an inquiry in israel no doubt. there should be questions, and i think already in congress they are being asked would have been in the united states as well. ultimately, intelligence is a nation's first line of defense. it failed pretty spectacularly all around. >> mark, as always, it's a pleasure. thank you. there is a diplomatic race against time underway. we will tell you about new efforts happening just in the past hour. we are back in 60 seconds. 60 seconds. every day, more dog people, and more vets are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food.

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he is working on helping americans to get out of the region, kind of making a tour of the region as well. i want to go to matt bradley who is standing by in lebanon for us. matt, if you can walk us through what is going on so far from blinken as he makes his way back to israel. >> yasmin, the big breaking news is the secretary blinken has announced the de-rafah border crossing between egypt and the gaza stripped, the only crossing between palestine an egypt will be open. this is a big point of contention. the israelis threatened to attack any convoys if the objections we are allowing them rough into rafah, into the gaza strip. after speaking to the egyptian president, it seems to be that he is gunned some concession from the egyptians. we're not sure that he said he was speaking with the israelis as well. trying to get aid through that border crossing. it is going to be a massive relief for the 2.2 million gazans who are now without food,

without water, without electricity for the better part of the past week. here is what he has said, anthony blinken after his meeting with president sissi of egypt. >> israel has the right and obligation to defend itself against these attacks from hamas, and to try to get do it against is that this never happens again. as i said in tel aviv, as president biden has said, the way that israel does this matters. they need to do it in a way that affirms the shared values that we have. for human life, for whom addicted he. taking every possible precaution to avoid harming civilians. >> that is an interesting comment from secretary blinken, according to the egyptian press, the president sissi was one of the only arab leaders to push back on blinken. according to the egyptian press, he told blinken that israel's

action on the gaza strip had already exceeded the bounds of self-defense. i am paraphrasing. now this is verging on something like collective punishment. now he seems to be the only arab arab leader that seems to be pushing back on the u.s. and blinken's unconditional defense of israel as it prepares for what is a much anticipated ground offensive into the gaza strip. yasmin? >> bradley for us, thank you. i want to bring in former security adviser to the white house director and msnbc columnist as well. now a year, did you have an opportunity to listen to the interview with ali on the grounds in iran with the leader of hamas there? first, giving me your reaction from what you heard from him. >> -- i'm not surprised that hamas has continued its ideology to defend what we all know is terrorism. they are an organization that has maintained control over 2 million gazans through threats

of violence, taking advantage of palestinian liberation, ideology, peoples desire to have a state, and they have essentially used it for more than a decade to keep people and service to them. then they launch attacks into israel, coordinating with some of the not-so-great actors in the region. it is hard for the course for the group of hamas, but they have wrapped their intentions in some ideology they can be very compete -- for a community that is traveling. >> i want to also hear what we heard from secretary blinken. we have saved that sound, but i will read it verbatim on the phone. it's important, as matt bradley pointed out, as cc seems to be the outlier. he seems to be opening up the talk to me about the importance of that four palestinians in

gaza. >> right now, the only way that any supplies have been getting into gaza for years has been through this border between egypt and the gaza strip. there is a blockade, nothing comes in and out on the israeli side. and so there is this community that has been effectively operating in an open air prison. egypt, the israel ally, as well. at least they have diplomatic relationships. they have been responsible for the welfare of people of gaza, as is using that ability to control the welfare for a public advantage. the trouble with that crossing right now, there it is not designed to have 1 million people leave from the north very quickly. that's number one. number two, the arab states do not want the palestinians to come into their as refugees. then they end up with what jordan has, an entire generation of palestinians who have grown up in their country. they do not have the passport

of that country, but also don't have anywhere to return to. those are the two pieces that israel is trying to wrangle. clearly, there is humanitarian concern, but they don't want to create a problem in their own country. >> then there's this idea of this ground incursion, and the president, along with secretary of state as well. urging the prime minister of israel to practice restraint. he said it again here, and i want to read it for folks, and if you could read between the lines for me. it certainly seems as if the biden administration understands that they could be in quite a bit of hot water if in fact israel carries out this ground invasion and there are hundreds of thousands of palestinians killed in gaza, innocent civilians killed in gaza. tony blinken says this, quote, as i said, and tel aviv, as president biden has said that the way that israel does its matters. they need to do it in a way that shares the affirmed values for human life and human

dignity taking every possible precaution to harming civilians. >> for those that are hearing this now, it is a different statement than we heard a week ago coming up from the white house. which was unequivocal support for israel due to some retaliating and defending itself. what this white house and secretary of state of doing in the background is talking about the shape of this ground responses, air and ground response if there is going to be full scale invasion. if it, is what happens after that is that israel has not wanted to manage gaza since hamas was elected, and since the last war in 2008. what then? slowing down that rhetoric has been part of the background game between the diplomats. now you are hearing more statements of warnings about remembering what international law says. all of that is important for the united states to put out, not only for the american public, good for the global community. the united nations, the united states is often the only full support for the defense or

existence of israel. that is the challenge. if netanyahu decides that he simply does not care about the status of civilians in gaza, and that he wants to do whatever he needs to do to root out hamas, you can fill in all the blanks there. the united states have been so closely allied with israel that it will also have to answer for its support. >> thank you so much, we appreciate it. it is a wear where you, when moment in history. a reminder of how we all got here, next. got here, next your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description.

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chief international correspondent with the independent, this is the fourth war between israel and hamas that she has covered. that, thank you for covering this. we appreciated. i want to share for folks to post on access, i believe that you put out, formerly known as twitter. what is happening in gaza. u write this, this city, normally home to 400,000 people, has ballooned to more than 1 million overnight. con eunice in south gaza is on its knees, as people flee south fearing becoming ground invasion after israel ordered them to leave. can you talk to us about the situation they've been facing there? >> i've been talking to people on the ground in the south. this is a disasters. talking to doctor specifically. across the gaza strip, which is only 42 kilometers long, right now there is basically no electricity, food supply is running, out medical supplies are running out.

fuel is running out. generators and four cars. in the south, we have had about 400,000 people. that is with the israeli military has said in an area -- that is basically doubled the population. there is around 1 million there now. people have sought shelter in the united states schools, they're trying to seek shelter in hospitals, but they are overflowing. they can ideal with the patients coming in in the regions as there is people sleeping on the streets. i've talked to some people fleeing south, and then went back north again because the tick conditions were so terrible. many people told me that they could not evacuate. they are elderly, they do not have transported. been talking to doctors and hospitals that say the -- let's also coat quoting the w.h.o., trying to evacuate. it is absolute chaos. the bombardment of gaza continues. >> we talk about the death sentence for people to evacuate, especially people that are already sick, already wounded, they're in critical care,

urgent need of help. i know that there was also urgent appeal from palestinian health authorities for other doctors, for health care providers to come to gaza because they are you losing doctors. they are losing health care providers. they are being killed by the rocket attacks. >> i was speaking to a british palestinian surgeon that works with the doctors -- a quite known and geo. it is the largest medical center in gaza. they said they were 200 people severely wounded waiting for surgery at the moment that he was talking to me. there were simply not enough doctors to be able to do the surgeries. they are also running out of fuel for their generators. they're using an old well because the water supplies are down, and they're improvising with medical supplies. he said that he was trying to treat a teenager with burns using regular soap because they do not have medical antiseptics

anymore. they're also running out of -- excuse me, medicines as well. they are really feeling really desperate at the moment. >> tell me more about the lack of water, and how it is affecting people. how they are preserving what it is that they have, and especially for young children they're desperately in need. >> ever since these unprecedented attacks last weekend by hamas in israel, israel and imposed what they call a total siege. they cut off water, power, fuel supplies, food supplies to gaza. that has caused massive shift water shortages across gaza, and recently, the united nations has said that essentially water has run out. there is already been a pre-existing water crisis in gaza anyway, but right now, there's nothing coming out of the taps as far as i can work out. there were obviously drinking waters available, but that's

all run out. talking to one civilian this afternoon saying there were 100 people queuing at the stores trying to find any water and any bread. people are having to improvise. as i said, al-shifa hospital is using an old well. other people are basically rationing their water. >> two more things that i have for you, one is, have you heard about any instances about the news of phosphorus gas? i know that there were reports of the use of phosphorus gas. israel is denying that. have you heard of anecdotal instances of the use of that from inside of gaza? and also, what you are seeing happening in tel aviv where you are now? >> in terms of white phosphorus, i have been forwarded videos that i have not verified. i know that humans rights watch and amnesty have put a statements saying that it has been used in gaza and lebanon. there is a history behind this. israel has used white

phosphorus before and gaza in previous wars. israel has categorically denied the use of white phosphorus, but it's a pretty horrible substance. it burns at a ridiculously high temperature, and it goes right through skin, flash, and to the bone. it's a very painful thing to use against civilians. personally, i've been shown videos, but i'm no expert since so i cannot independently verify. it's a very weird set up in tel aviv in the sense that it almost feels like it is a little bit of a ghost city. there are a lot of places closed. there are people on the beach. and then the rockets exploding overhead, you can hear the iron dome intercepting the incoming rockets. everybody scatters to the shelters. of course, there is a very different scene to what we are seeing coming from the ground in gaza, where people are fleeing for their lives, where they're living with five families to one room. where they are suffering from a massive lack of water, feud, fuel, water, all of the commodities.

hospitals a totally overwhelmed. just to give you one piece of information, when doctor told me they were unplugging ventilators because people who were more winded basically had to be put on to those ventilators. it's really grim right now in gaza. >> thank, you please stay safe. my next guest lost 46 members of his family in gaza. the story, next. the story, next. but with a generac home standby generator, your life goes on uninterrupted because you'll have power when you need it the most. - with the generac it powers our well, the refrigerator, and my cpap machine, which are all things that we need to survive on a day-to-day basis - [narrator] get the security and peace of mind your family deserves with a home standby generator from generac. eight out of 10 home generators are generac with thousands of satisfied customers. - it's the peace of mind to get the generac generator. that was the best investment that we could have ever made.

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when you do not see is the lack of clean running water. taps have been running dry across the territory. a short time ago, israel resumed the water supply to the southern gaza strip after pressure from the biden administration. joining us now, dr. fauci judah, a musician and poet that has lost 46 family members in gaza in just the last three days. dr. judah, thank you for joining us. i am so incredibly sorry for the loss to you in your family are experiencing right now, and how difficult it must be to be watching from afar. as this is all taking place. how are you doing? what have you heard from gaza? >> we are all exhausted. we cannot hear much from gaza. a lot of news has been on social media through the great

palestinian journalists who will be continually targeted by israelis. that is along with other health care personnel. i -- as for my private loss, i am not being romantic or heroic when i say that -- it is so much loss at this point that no longer one feels an individual loss, or no longer feels that their loss is any more particular or special than any other person's loss. especially those on the ground. or anywhere in the world. and particularly in gaza. i think that all news segments, a appreciate you having me -- but all new segments keep seeing that israel and hamas, we have to understand.

if you know the has -- you have to understand that every palestinian knows that this is a war against every palestinian. in palestine, and in the world. this is not about hamas. hamas is the bully man that america and israel will use, as they have always used names before to dehumanize and destroy palestinian lives. we were not born yesterday. the whole destruction and a siege has been going on for two decades. the palestinian dispossession and ethnic cleansing started 75 years ago. this particularly feels -- let me just quote -- netanyahu talks about a record of civilization, or a family of

civilized people and so forth. i think that the record of civilization of israelis have imprinted on the palestinian flesh, that's what walter means. he would call it a record of barbarism. i am invited on a few shows, i am constantly -- i am not naive to not understand why. with these kinds of misrepresentations and continued misinformation of what really happened. >> like what? >> i am flanked -- excuse me, i am flanked by pro israeli, pro u.s. sanctioned murder of palestinians. before and after i come on many of these shows. i feel like i, as a palestinian,

i am alive and i'm confident asking for people to sympathize for me to spare me my life, thus sparing other peoples lives, other palestinians and other families so forth. there is something sickening about this kind of representation of palestinian life, in america. i understand this. i am thankful, i know that people are trying their best. but really, we really have to acknowledge that -- >> what our relationship to palestinian lives in america's. it is in relationship to death. it is not a relationship to life. when i say the palestinian lives are equal to any other life elsewhere, people will come and say, we know that this was created by hamas. by saying so, you are already dehumanizing palestinian life,

yet again. you are not -- if -- i believe that my life is not any better than benjamin netanyahu's life. that means that benjamin netanyahu's life is not better than hamas's life. anybody in hamas's life. this is the problem in america. because we have such vitriol, we cannot see any barbarism easily placed unless it is coming from some group completely -- completely utter. we have done this with an iraq. we have done this with iraq. the children. >> i want to give you time to read your poem, because i think it is important to express how you are feeling through your art. i want to ask you one more question before you do. we have been covering extensively the plight of gazans, of palestinians living

there. i have reported from their myself. nobody can understand how you feel. and what you are going through. nobody. i want to ask, last saturday when the attack on the israelis began, saturday morning, what threat went through your mind? >> i was at the hospital, i was busy paying attention to patients. i want you to ask israelis, many zionists, many americans, what they think, or have been thinking all of these years. just the same when palestinian lives have been destroyed. i can tell you that when hamas released the hostage mother with her two children, and you watched that little boy and his mom crossing the sand, that he is opening his arms.

i am a father. i cannot -- let's not pretend that the way that we present palestinian life in america, saying that israeli children are more precious than palestinian children. let's not pretend that this has not been going on for too long. i thank you for the coverage. >> doctor julia, i want you to read your poem. we are running out of time because we have some breaking news, and we have another guest on that i had to speak to as well. i do appreciate your sentiment, spending some time with us, and certainly hope to have you back on. we are following some breaking news everybody that i want to get out to you. we are talking about the rafah border, the one crossing for palestinians to be able to escape what is this impending ground invasion into gaza. we are just getting in now from a palestinian official confirming that the rafah

border will in fact be open at 90 am local, to a am eastern time on monday, october 16th. once again, this is from the embassy of palestine. the representative there for the rafah border, confirming that the foreign national palestinians will cross thento t nine a.m.. the humanitarian aid will start to cross into gaza at nine a.m., as well as the foreign national palestinnsre expected to fly to cairo from the airport. there are 30 miles from rafah, and they will fly there from cairo airport, into the final destination. according to finally talking about that, as we are talking about the flight of palestinians in gaza. we are learning more about the israelis kidnapped by hamas a days ago. one of those hostages is believed to be 23 year old -- who was at the supernova music festival attacked by hamas terrorists last saturday. her uncle, hurrah, joins us now to talk more about this.

thank you for joining us. i know that we had some problematic connectivity issues, thank you for sticking with us. have you spoken to the government, and give us a sense of what you know about the whereabouts of your niece. >> unfortunately, we still know nothing about what has been going on with her. i can tell you that i overheard -- sadly, my niece, who is 23 years old, she was not a soldier. she never held a weapon. she is just 23 years old.

a dancing, a dancing party. dancing, as i have done, perhaps even dr. judith, dancing when he was 23 years. unfortunately, we haven't heard from her. she did nothing. i can tell you that my niece came back to israel after volunteering in africa for kids with special needs. -- with christians, muslims, she did not ask that question. kids are kids. the difference had nothing to do with politics. she did nothing.

she just went to the dancing party. that is it. and since then, we haven't heard from her. and we know nothing, what's going on with her. >> knowing the fear and hearing the fear in your voice and they worry you have for your nieces and the concern for what israelis have been through in this last week, what is it like to hear that interview, what he had to say. what was that like for you? >> i'm her uncle. i'd rather not go into politics. i know nothing about politics. i'm not an army man. we don't understand nothing about those kinds of politics, especially the war, changing nothing about it. and i will leave it for your

viewers to ask themselves the question of what they think about -- what dr. judith told him. i think there is no excuse for harming youngsters, children, babies. i can tell you my grandmother fled from hungary. just a few days before the second world war started. my second name is michael. >> yeah -- >> after her brother, micah, hungarian for michael. he was killed on the streets of budapest. we never thought that