that are not being captured right now that really boggles the mind. >> as we wait for the president that disembarks from air force one, let's go back to aaron gilchrist. let's learn more about the fact where, there was a briefing, there was an update from two administrations from aboard air force one. it was in a highly rare situation, and it will be sitting inside of the war room, making the decisions on the israeli side. what more did we learn from that briefing on air force one from the trip over to washington d.c., aaron? >> very unusual to have that particular seen unfold. we know to hear, we scene unfol we'll note here we see prime minister benjamin netanyahu standing on the tarmac. which really sets up the conversation that the president

deemed necessary to have in person is going to start immediately. the president will start having these conversations urt the israeli plans for this war in the days and weeks ahead. exactly what the president can learn in terms of what they can do if there's a ground offensive that happens in the near future. the president will have a chance to sit down with his prime minister and war cabinet to discuss those things around fighting this war. also we expect an in-depth conversation about the need for humanitarian aid to get into gaza. there are millions of people there already living under dire conditions. we've seen much more stress on those people there as now the president is getting off of air force one to begin his conversationwise the israeli

prime minister, going directly to benjamin netanyahu, and embracing him we see here. >> this is critical moment for the president. there have been high-tensions between these two men, but right now there is a level of stakes that's not been seen previously. we are resetting now, one minute after 4:00 in the morb morning here on the east coast, it is 11:00 in the morning in tel aviv, israel, where the president has just landed. he plans to meet later today not just with the war cabinet but also with the israeli prime minister. a critically important meeting at a critically important time. we also have new numbers for you relevant here. 31 americans killed in the hamas attack, 13 unaccounted for. we don't know how many may be being held hostage at this time. and against the backdrop of the

blasts at a hospital in gaza city that at least according to palestinians killed 500 people. the scene there has been horrific, and the situation on the ground, the incredible concern it will be escalating. joining me now here in new york is john lemere, the white house bureau chief of politico and host of "way too early" as we look at the president deplaning air force one just a few minutes ago. what are the stakes of this trip? >> an extraordinary important trip. and one aides feel not only fraught but riskier with the events of yesterday. the original itinry in this hastily planned tripped.

a long time ally in tel aviv and then to jordan to talkulse about a the situation in gaza. the jordan summit was canceled. those two men have known each other for a long time. a tumultuous relationship. president biden in recent months confided to aids he's very opposed to prime minister netanyahu's efforts to reshape the israeli judiciary, but he was going to set aside his personal differences here to head to israel in order to show

support for what he's happened, to show support for the israeli people in wake of the brutal terror attack and also now urge to show some restraint, show some caution as to what will come next. in terms of timing there was a real sense of urgency among the president's aides if he was going to go to israel to do so now. >> i want to go to nbc correspondent raf sanchez who is in israel. does it align with netanyahu's perspective on hopes for this trip? >> reporter: they certainly welcome the president's visit, welcome the presence of these two carrier strike groups off the mediterranean coast. the israelis are clear. they say this is their war.

they do not expect the americans to fight it, but they are grateful for the diplomatic support. they are grateful for the political support. they're grateful for the financial support as israel replenishes its supply of iron dome missile receptors, as it replenishes its bombs after the intense israeli bombing campaign inside of gaza. a lot about this trip as jonathan was saying is very unusual. the president for the second time in his presidency coming to an active war zone. as we were saying last hour this is not like kyiv. the front line between gaza and tel aviv is an hours drive. the sirens very well may go off during the president's time here. we saw secretary of state blinken having to run to the bomb shelters not once but twice. but also very unusual, we're expecting the president to meet with israel's war cabinet, to actually sit in on the decision making body that is prosecuting

this war effort, which is something i can't think of a parallel on. it's one thing obviously to meet a fellow leader during one time and another to sit on one of it holy of holies, the very, very small decision making body making the critical calls during this war. and the white house has made clear is president is here to listen. the president supports israel's right to defend itself. he's made clear he believes hamas needs to go, but the president is also going to ask questions for what is israel's plan for the day after. it's one thing to roll into gaza to topple hamas and another thing to figure out the piece of who owns the strip of land between the two people.

>> of course one of the most densely populated areas in the world. we have a full panel to describe the president's trip. again, he landed just minutes ago. the author of "weapon wizards, how israel became a hi-tech super power." lieutenant commander is an msnbc military analyst along with retired kaernl jack jacobs. john lemere is still with me. thanks to all of you. if i can pick up where raf left off, the long-term plan, the realistic expectations for this trip for the meetings ahead of president biden right now? >> i think on the one hand president biden is to show that sympathy and solidarity and

unwavering support since the massacre by hamas. with that said there's no doubt the president and his team want to understand more deeply what is israel planning. everyone understands the ground offensive that will come at some point, but what's the day after look like? if we listen to the president's speeches they want to retain some sort of window for a bolstering of palestinian authority. how can all of this be put together into a framework that israel gets to strike back at hamas, degrade its capabilities, secure the country, at the same time leave open this window for some sort of diplomatic activity that the president would like to see. >> what are the chances that that happens? obviously you have pictures going out around the world of this incredibly horrific scene at asial hospital whereas as

many as 500 people may have died, many of them children as the pictures show. but according to the united nations that is just one of ten hospitals they believe have already been hit. you have a situation where there is one hospital and food and water in what can be describe as a critical situation. how does that play into these discussions, and what are the chances that there can be some sort of negotiation that brings this to a place where at least civilians don't feel when they go to a hospital looking for safety there is no safe place to be anymore? >> well, you know, what happened with the hospital last night, the idf, which i tend to rely on more truthfully than terrorist organizations that rule the gaza

strip, this was called by an islamic jihad rocket that fell short. at the end of the day the world will say there's overall responsible for israel. but is there? if they want for there to be a humanitarian corridor there's a simple way, give us back our 200 people you're holding onto. but there is no negotiation with a terrorist group that wants to annihilate you. so therefore i think the world needs to ask a different question. can the world understand it needs to continue to support israel to do what it needs to do which is defend itself? and unfortunately the way hamas is using these civilians there's going to be an impact on civilian life in gaza. israel also has a responsibility and a right to defend itself.

>> that exactly, jonathan, is the dilemma, the complicated situation the president finds himself in right now. its condemnation from what they've seen from hamas. at the same time the president needs to try to find a way to bring this to a place where the situation deescalates rather than increasing. >> yeah, there's no question of that, chris. your reporting today about how white house aides have two goals here. first and foremost yes as you say to support israel. that's why he's making this trip. german chancellor scholz arrived last night and immediately had to take cover. his party had to seek shelter because of air-raid sirens. and we know secretary blinken had to do the same a few days ago. that's a real concern to put the president in this situation, but

that risk they deemed worth it. there's also the idea so important about of this expanding. he's going to deliver a message, and white house aides previewed to us and again based on air force one a short time ago he's going to speak firmly with the israelis to make sure civilians are not targeted here, that they adhere to the rules of war. hamas of course did not. and there's also this fear of the united states being pulled back into the middle east. this administration has kept trying to pivot towards asia, obviously need to rally the west towards ukraine as well. this could become an extraordinarily dangerous powder keg, which is why we're seeing some shows of force with aircraft carrier groups into the region, but we're also seeing

the president going to deliver messages and say we want to deal with this now, to try to contain it best the we can. >> colonel jacobs, there are ships heading towards israel, 2,000 ships on high alert. >> it's there to send a message to make sure that iran doesn't get involved, that other arab states including syria do not get involved and that the united states will respond if they do. it's also there to protect the president. the fact is president is going to israel is not taken either lightly or at the last minute. those two aircraft carrier battle groups are there, were sent there initially, and one of the reasons they were there was to protect the president in the event that hamas, hezbollah, who

has longer range missiles and could hit the airport would not do so and there would be retaliation if they did. the 2,000 troops you're talking about are probably the immediate and division ready forces, evidence of american forces stationed in the united states and prepositioned in places where they could go into battle, closer to the battle if they need to. however, we have to remember there are already marines aboard those ships in the eastern mediterranean, a significant number of them who plan for and train to land at a moment's notice in the areas in which the battle groups are located if they need to. the american involvement, however, shouldn't be just because these forces are available doesn't mean they should use them. what's really important there is a show of force.

and it's important for one particular reason. not only to make sure everybody understands we're going to support israel, but understand if there's a wider war, if others get involved particularly hezbollah and there will be retal kragz, america will get involved. one of the reasons the president is there is to talk as raf said not just about what's going to take place on the ground, tractically what has to happen when it's all over. the importance of the arab states in the region to be part of the solution to the palestinian problem that when it is all over, that the arab states in the region need to coalesce to make sure there's an administration of gaza, of the areas in southern lebanon to make sure hamas, hezbollah did

not threaten israel again. >> can i ask you a general question obviously these deployments whether it's assets, fighter squadrons are intended to be temporary. they're intended to send a message to iran and other actors. having said that, this is not what the administration has wanted to focus on. there are other threats including a focus on china which the defense department sees as a longer priority. and the situation to help ukraine is ongoing there. how much of a challenge and could it need to rethink the pentagon its priorities and how it looks at the middle east? >> i don't think so. and obviously every time you're pulled in a different direction we consider china as our

immediate threat, we consider russia as our acute threat. so those two are at the top of the list. but we always count a u.s. presence in the middle east. and as we sit here today we have troops in iraq, troops in syria, troops in kuwait, in bahrain, troops in qatar. what you see with this additional carrier group the eisenhower was already planning to be in the area anyway. it is a ship that was already designated to be part of the rapid force that would go around the globe where hot spots are located. so what you see today is not a stretch on u.s. capability. there's plenty more out there. but what i will tell you is my

main concern as i look at this is u.s. interest in the mide east and the impact on forces i talked about in the midwest, and those forces need to be safeguarded, and i'm sure they're on high security alert. we must focus on keeping this local, not regional because if it becomes regional i'm afraid that the u.s. will be pulled into this conflict. >> general, colonel jack jacobs, jonathan lemire, we've got a lot more to talk about so please stay with me. up next we're going to talk about whether the deadly hospital attack in gaza will impact israel's plan of attack against hamas. stay with me. you're watching special coverage of the conflict in the middle east. 18 minutes after 4:00 on the east coast.

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going on the ground. you authored a book on israeli weapons superiority, but some of the questions that's been raised hezbollah already launching isolated attacks against israel's border, iran, ramping up its rhetoric. israel suffered an intelligence failure before october 7th. talk about israel's military and intelligence capabilitiesases you see right now related to the situation on the ground. >> you're 100% right israel suffered a major blow to its prestige. it didn't have the intelligence of that imminent attack and caught by surprise. it's been asking itself at least in the initial few days what else do we not know, what other surprises do we expect in gaza or hezbollah or lebanon. i think that's why it's taking some time for defense forces tuesday rebuild its capabilities, prepare its forces

and enlist its reservists. we have over 300,000 people called up to reserves, about half of them in the north to deploy and deal with that if it erupts and another half that have been sent down to gaza and other fronts. this is waiting for the ground offensive. israel is waiting, preparing. it seems ready. with president biden here of course israel is not going to launch it now and it wasn't going to launch it in the two days after his visit. but in the moment he departs that clock could tick a little faster and try to capture and kill as many hamas members, destroy as much hamas infrastructure, and prevent the terrorist group from ever being able to do this again. the idea is try to prevent hezbollah of using this opportunity of a ground invasion

to expand the conflict, but if they decide to be ready for that war that will go north. >> he is there for the day. he has a very busy schedule. how much faster might that clock be ticking particularly with the bombing of the hospital in gaza, do you think the military cal clas has changed of an incursion by air, sea, and land. what do you see as a ticking clock of how fast things might move here? >> well, i think the independent rareiable here is the estimate by the israeli defense force of how many civilians will have gone south. what's important for an israeli attack on the northern part of gaza, gaza city is for the noncombatants for them to leave, as many of them to leave as quickly as possible. it's unlikely the idf is going to go in there unless it's

already convinced that as many gazans have left as possible. there's a couple of reasons for this. obviously the humanitarian aspect is important and trying to coordinate with egypt to open up the southern borders so that humanitarian aid can come in from the southern border. second, because the terrain, it's urban terrain extremely difficult to fight in, rubble in the streets, defenders are at an advantage here. you know, normally you need a 3-1 advantage if you're an attacker. you need a much higher than 3-1 if you're attacking an urban terrain with rubble strewn streets and so on. and you need to be able to distinguish between hamas on the one hand and noncombatants on the other. the more noncombatants there are

the more difficult it becomes. the real question for the idf is this, as many noncombatants are going to leave, and once they've determined that then almost undoubtedly the assault on gaza city will begin. >> can you walk us through what needs to be done in terms of determining what exactly happened at this hospital yesterday in gaza. there was an explosion. obviously the hamas terror group, their words to be taken at any face value. there's a lot of conflicting video bouncing around social media. we should note social media sites far less reliable than they used to on exactly happened. as best as we can considering limitations and access to the site, how can we figure out what happened there? >> yeah, it's a good question, jonathan. i've done this 1,000 times.

as you know i served in baghdad and afghanistan, and so what the israelis will try to do because they're on the ground, normally it is best to get on the ground so you can conduct what is called a crater analysis to see how deep the crater is, how wide it is. that willinism you of the type of munitions likely used in order to conduct an attack because they're not on the ground what they're going to have to do is rely on video. and they will take that video and they will analyze obviously from a distance to try and determine the same thing. can we tell based on video how wide the crater is, how deep the crater is? can we tell what type of munition likely used and whether or not we have that type of munition in our inventory. and can we tell the direction in which it was fired.

if it has a slanted direction from israel, then that could inform you of whether or not you had troops perhaps at a distance in that area that fired that particular weapon system. so all that work has been done by their professionals. they're good at doing this just like the u.s. military is good at doing this. and so the difference is it will have to be solely based on video because they don't have anybody on the ground to be able to determine all these things. >> the drone footage we have seen is grainy, but obviously there are sophisticated ways of analyzing that. yaakov, let me go back to what you said and i think hamas is not to be trusted. on the other hand, we've seen in the past track record of israeli defense changing their story. i'm thinking in one case of an

al jazeera journalist killed and they said it was palestinian gunman and backtracked and acknowledged likely it was an israeli to blame. where do you see this going in terms of israel, the consequences of determining exactly where this came from are obviously huge. >> you're right, it's huge, and this is important because israel is dependent on a lot of the international support and definitely the support from the united states. so israel is carefully investigating. it did a deep dive late last night, came up with initial preliminary findings that show it was not caused by an israeli strike. remember israel knows and catalogs all its attacks. very similar to the u.s. armed forces, and there is video evidence that shows islamic jihad firing a salvo of rockets at the same time and them dipping down.

and still is that enough to change global perception? unfortunately, it's not. i think what we all have to do and the responsibility of us as commentators as analysts, journalists is to understand the information war is part, is a dimension of this conflict, and that when we're dealing with terrorist organizations like hamas they will cynically manipulate the truth and facts on the ground for their advantage. that's what they do with their civilians. that's what they do with their hostages we've taken. we have to be very careful and you have a responsibility, all of us who are here have a responsibility to be careful and question -- by the way, both sides constantly question the voracity of what we're hearing and can we really rely on those

initial reports. >> jonathan, we've got a full report which you and i are both familiar with from one of our producers on the ground who they tried obviously to hear what was said between the president and prime minister. they could not. our producer on the ground asked the president if he'd learn anything more in gaza, he did not respond to that. but the one thing noted as the president got off the plane was that hug before shaking hands between netanyahu and biden, a picture and a video that obviously will be seen -- there it is around the world. what's the messaging there? >> first of all, notice a really chaotic scene on the tarmac. usually the secret service enjoys when the president lands especially overseas. but you're right that hug is an important image, and for prime minister netanyahu that hug is worth the trip itself to standby prime minister netanyahu who is

popular right now, i hear bill boards up across tel aviv thanking him, for the powerful speeches he's delivered. there's no doubt here the president wants to stand with israel and say they're the victims of a terrible, terrible attack but our oldest ally in the region, we're with you. but this explosion yesterday at the hospital does shadow this visit now and led to the cancellation of the jordan piece of this. that summit has been pulled down. there is going to be an investigation. the u.s. will play a role too in determining what happened, and there's a lot of fake video being sent around, yes, from gaza but also someshared by member of the israeli government. it's still not quite clear what happened there, and the terror group should never be trusted. what we're going to hear from this president, though, is having to really walk a tightrope in terms of supporting tel aviv, supporting the prime minister, and also urging

caution, urging restraint as thund operation looms and trying to de-escalate in a world that seems m of it aflame right now. and to the point the narrative is set for parts of that region it is an israeli rocket that destroyed that region. we do not know what exactly happened yet, but for some we're seeing protests, a call for a day of rage and there's a lot of anger in that region as the president arrives. >> president biden, again, in israel right now. we'll have more what to expect in his meetings with benjamin netanyahu when our special coverage continues after a quick break. break.

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which is always a bit of a scene inside those rooms but also to make brief statements. >> we're about to hear from both the prime minister and the president. the president's motorcade just arrived at their meeting site. they're at tel aviv and the site secure for obvious reasons. >> let's listen. >> i want to thank you for coming here today and for your

unequivocal support in these trying times. the message you send our enemies not to test our resolve and the two american carrier groups you send to the region to back up with action. the moral clarity you have demonstrated from the moment israel was attack, you've likely drawn a clear line between the forces of civilization and the forces of barbarism. you describe what hamas did as sheer evil.

it is exactly that. hamas murdered children in front of their parents and parents in front of their children. they burned people alive. they raped and murdered women. they beheaded soldiers. they searched for the secret hiding places where parents hid their children. and just imagine, mr. president, the fear and the panic of those little children in their last moments as the monsters discovered and found out their hiding places. hamas kidnapped women, children, elderly, holocaust survivors. i know you share our outrage on this and i know you share our determination to bring these people back. on october 7th hamas murdered 1,400 israelis, maybe more. this is in a country of 10

million people. that is why october 7th is another day -- mr. president, you'll likely say hamas is worse than isis. the german chancellor who visited here yesterday said hamas were the new nazis. you're both right. just as the civilized world united to defeat the nazis and united to defeat isis, the civilized world must unite to defeat hamas. i can assure you, mr. president, israel is united to defeat hamas. and we will defeat hamas and remove this terrible threat from our lives. the forces of civilization will prevail for our sake, for your sake, for peace and security in our region and in the world. mr. president, for the people of

israel, there's only one thing better than having a true friend like you standing with us right now and that is having you stand in israel. your visit here is the first visit of an american president in israel at a time of war. it is deeply, deeply moving. it speaks to the depth of your personal commitment for israel. it speaks to the depth of your personal commitment to the future of the jewish people and the jewish state. so i know i speak for all the people of israel when i say thank you, mr. president. thank you for standing with israel today, tomorrow, and always. >> mr. prime minister, thank you very much. look, folks, i wanted to be here today for a simple reason. i wanted israel and the people of the world to know the united

states stands -- i wanted to personally come and make that clear. it is not a hyperbole to say slaughtered. they've taken israelis hostage including children. it's beyond my comprehension to imagine what they're thinking. they committed evil acts and atrocities that make isis look

more rational. the fact is that israel seems to me they have to continue to ensure they have what they need to defend themselves. we have to also bear in mind hamas does not represent all palestinian people. years ago -- i'm deeply saddened

and outraged but there's a lot of people out there. and this is an example how it's important. i'm always looking like the

united states does at other democracies. mr. prime minister, thank you have having me and looking forward to having a discussion. thank you. their commitment is stunning, it's really stunning. >> you heard it from prime minister benjamin netanyahu, a deeply, deeply moving he says wartime visit from the president of the united states. whatever the difficulty of the relationships between these two world leaders what they are clearly trying to establish here

is the importance right now of the relationship that has gone on for decades between the united states and israel. these two countries being unassailable allies also at a time when the backdrop of this trip is the horrible attack at a hospital in gaza city. you heard benjamin netanyahu talking about moral clarity, the difference between civilization and barbarism. and the president also talking about the atrocities committed by hamas but mentioning and it's difficult to hear there, there were extreme difficulties with understanding everything given the audio out of that, separating the palestinian people from the terrorists who have committed so many of these barbarous acts and continue to commit these barbarous acts. really an extraordinary, jonathan, show of support between these two leaders between their shared goal of

making sure israel is secure but also as you have pointed out the president's goal of minimizing the civilian casualties. >> the president flew into a war zone to stand -- >> the first time ever in israel. >> to make that appearance and say publicly the american people stood with israel here. he repeatly used the word slaughtered to describe israeli citizens killed at the hands of hamas terrorists. he said it was beyond comprehension for him to understand what maybe the last moments of those israeli children would have been like before they themselves were murdered on october 7th. it was a little difficult to hear the president there. the president also reading off a note card and hard to understand him. and he echoed the deferences between democracies and civilizations and there's gentle urging there to show restraint and pointing out palestinian civilians are not the same by

white house terrorist group. that's the president's style to get those messages privately. >> we only have a few minutes left but one of the extraordinary things going to happen here as you have a foreign leader on israeli soil, talking to the men not just benjamin netanyahu making the decision how this moves forward. let me start with you, general, and then i'll move forward on what you expect those conversations to be like. >> let me say america has a lot at stake here. as you know there's somewhere between 500 to 60 americans

trying to make their way down to the rafah gate to get out of gaza. and number two, we have u.s. ms. and so i just want to bring that up as well. but what the president will be doing is ensure there's a plan that once the israelis go in they'll have to own everything in gaza as a result of their actions. but they don't need to permanently own it. temporarily own it and take responsibility particularly for the noncombatants that will still be there. the other thing is what is the plan for the hostage rescue? i go back to we have some stake in this as well, and so i'm sure he'll be interested in that piece as well. >> in our last minute i want to tell you, colonel, about

something just reported on the ground because we had difficulty hearing the president. he said from what i've seen this was done by the other team, not you. and he added although there are a lot of people who are not sure, the importance of that statement as you see it, colonel. >> yeah, it's difficult to envision how israel would attack a hospital. they know exactly which targets they want to attack and which ones they do not want to attack. they know exactly where the hospital is, and it's hard to envision how israel would deliberately target the hospital. it is easy to envision how hamas might fire weapons from a hospital indeed because they use civilian institutions and locations like hospitals and schools and mosques as places to store ammunition, to keep troops and so on, or it's easy to envision how the many missiles

hamas has been sending israel's way would fall short. they're not 100% reliable and land on or near a hospital. so it's not surprising to hear the president say publicly suggest that the united states believes that it's hamas who's responsible for the attack on the hospital either on purpose or inadvertently and that israel is not responsible for it. >> general, in our final 30 seconds because you spoke about this so knowledgeably before and the importance of knowing this. how long do you think what's a reasonable time line to get some sort of clarity if there is such a thing in a situation like this on what exactly happened here? >> i think they can have some clarity today. it takes about a day. they'll have analysts take a look at the video and then they'll bring in additional analysts and then they'll brief the leadership and go all the way up to the cabinet. there'll be several briefings

before they make a final determination. but i would like to say once that narrative is out there israel did this, the information space is unforgiven. they'll have to work with the narrative as well as they work this piece. >> it is an incredibly important and historic day for israel. i can't imagine a bet fr panel of guests to help us navigate through the early hours of this visit, this unprecedented wartime visit of a u.s. president to israel. thanks to all of you. that is going to do it for me. i'll see you later today starting at 1:00 eastern time. but my friend and colleague jonathan lemire will pick up coverage next on "way too early." coverage next on "way too early.

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