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of protests and some violence is playing out as pro-palestinian protesters gather outside the u.s. embassy in the lebanese capital before being forcibly cleared from the area. and we begin this hour on capitol hill, with the fight over who will be the next house speaker or if there will be a next house speaker. >> that's right. we expect a vote to begin in just moments. and joining us to discuss all of it is our capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, along with nbc news political correspondent steve kornacki, michael steele, former republican national committee chair, who is now an msnbc political analyst, and former ohio governor, now msnbc political analyst john kasich and former maryland congresswoman donna edwards, also an msnbc political analyst. a great group of people to dissect every angle of this vote. >> absolutely. let's start with you, ali. what is it that is happening right now and is there any expectation that things are

going to look any different today than they did yesterday? >> reporter: no. quite frankly, jose, you as always ask the right question, which is not who the speaker will be, but if there will even be a speaker today. our understanding going into this vote and we're seeing members start going to the floor, going up the stairs behind me and all the other entrances into this building, i haven't spoken to anyone who is saying ally or not of jim jordan that he has the votes to become speaker today. instead, jordan is grappling with a few different cross currents. members are so frustrated and fatigue that they aren't making progress, some are considering empowering the speaker pro tempore, patrick mchenry, for a set period of time so they can get with the business of doing congress and running the government. for jordan, he thinks it is a question of do you want to do that or elect me as speaker. listen to what he said in the last few minutes.

>> the question today is are we going to elect a republican speaker or are we going to have -- with democrats involved in selecting the speaker? i just met with our leadership and said put both questions to the body today. let's find out. we have been at this for two weeks now. >> reporter: we may get the opportunity to find out, jose, the way that this is going to go is that 11:00, we're going to see them gavel in, members on the floor, they'll do the pledge, a prayer, they're going to do a quorum call and we'll see them move on at around 11:30 or so to the actual vote on electing a speaker. once that is over, our understanding is there could be some push to actually vote on empowering speaker pro tempore patrick mchenry and the words that jordan uses here are really important because what he's effectively saying to other republicans is, you can either exercise our majority power as republicans, however slim that majority may be, or you can ban

together with democrats and we know bipartisanship is a dirty word here to the rank and file of the republican conference, don't forget how we got in this position in first place, because mccarthy, with the aid of democrats, kept the government open, not but three weeks ago, so jordan is signalling to the rest of his conference, you can either be a republican or you can do a coalition government. he thinks that might be enough to push people back into his camp. we might get to see both scenarios play out today. >> let's look at who we are watching with steve kornacki. steve, we know yesterday jordan lost the votes of 20 republicans. he can only afford to lose four if he is to become speaker. so, who are you watching? >> yes, so this is the list of the 20 republicans yesterday who voted for somebody other than jim jordan on the house floor. and as you say, if every republican is there today, if every democrat is there today, and voting, that's it. if there are five on this list of republicans who continue to vote against jordan, jordan won't win the speakership on the

second ballot. certainly there doesn't seem to be anybody who expects him to win on the second ballot. instead i think the question is really this, i think this is a very significant inflection point in jim jordan's quest to become speaker. the question has been the number of nos. you see there are 20 on this list yesterday. how much success in the last 24 hours, how much success with the kind of message that ali was talking about have the jordan forces had in flipping any of these 20 into jordan's camp? so, you got an indication from doug lamalfa from california he's ready to switch to vote for jordan. how many from this no list can they flip over? a lot of others on this list have indicated they remain just as dug in. and i think what is really dangerous for jordan is this, we had ken buck on our air yesterday, we had mario diaz-balart say this morning that they think there is a group of republicans who voted for jordan on the first ballot, who

are not going to be with him on the second ballot who will vote for somebody else, gave him one chance to get majority and he didn't get it. that's why i think we're going to fill these in, as the vote is called later this hour, you'll see how the members vote. i think this is the most important category to keep an eye on. it is the new no votes. the folks who voted for jordan yesterday, how many of them end up not voting for jordan this time? because if he gets in a situation where he picks off a couple of the folks who voted against him yesterday, but then loses a whole bunch of new votes here, and finds himself a lot farther back than 20 votes, then he finds himself i think in a very perilous situation in terms of justifying continuing his candidacy. if you think back to kevin mccarthy in january, it took him 15 ballots, you know. he didn't make much -- he started by losing 19 votes. the worst it got was 21 votes. he worked his way forward for them. if jordan ends up losing, five,

ten, any more votes on this second ballot today, that is going to put him in a different and more perilous place. and as ali says, with all of that chatter out there now, about hey maybe there are republicans saying hey maybe there is a way to get patrick mchenry in there for a longer period with expanded powers, you know, somebody who is floating that idea is a jordan backer. dave joyce from ohio, he voted for jordan yesterday, now he's reportedly pushing the idea of mchenry. that could be somebody who voted for jordan who goes into this new no votes category here, miller-meeks, listen for that name called from ohio. she signed a letter yesterday, frustrated that jordan was taking all this time yesterday, waiting to call the second vote. she said call the vote right away. seems to be an indication she might be siding after siding

with jordan on the first ballot, that she may be siding with his opponents on the second ballot. there could be a whole bunch of new votes on this. if there are new no votes than there are new yes votes, and jordan could be in serious trouble in terms of facing his conference and justifying going forward with this. >> you do mention congressman mario diaz-balart, just for clarity, he is my brother. michael, former house speakers boehner and gingrich have come out in support of temporarily expanding the power of speaker pro tempore mchenry, something he opposes. here is what hakeem jeffries had to say about that. >> i have respect for patrick mchenry. i think he's respected on our side of the aisle. there are a whole host of other republicans who are respected on our side of the aisle. jim jordan is not one of them. >> so, michael, how do you see this? >> one thing is for sure, mchenry slams down a mean gavel.

we saw that. >> he does indeed. >> he can hit it hard. yeah, i stand with the former speakers on this. i think -- i think that that makes the most sense. i said it yesterday, i'll repeat it again, nobody in the conference wants jim jordan as the speaker. no one. even those backing him. steve kornacki has just shown and proven that point, you already have people starting to slide off. so the reality right now is how do you get to next level? and what is the next level? the next level is what the speaker pro tem and it is with mchenry and i think there is a growing energy around that idea to create some space, allow the body to go on with the nation's business, while republicans continue to sort of cluck around and figure out who they want to lead them that would have enough credibility to pull the factions together, at least temporarily,

at least temporarily, in order to put a speaker forward. so, i think you're going to see a lot more energy around that effort, after this vote, because i agree with steve, i think that new no vote is going to surprise a lot of folks. it will not be surprising, however, to jim jordan because he already knows i think where he stands with this caucus. >> everybody, we're watching live pictures there in the house chamber. this is, i believe, the prayer that is happening prior to a quorum vote, which also happens before nominating speeches and then the speaker vote. so this is going to be a long drawnout process and we'll dip in and out as we go throughout the morning. but i just wanted to follow up on a couple of things we have been discussing and that this -- there is this idea and real possibility that jim jordan could actually end up with fewer votes than he had yesterday in this second round of voting. ali, can you explain why somebody who voted for jim

jordan yesterday would go the other direction? >> reporter: well, there is a good amount of fatigue in this building. the idea that he came shy of the speakership by 20 votes yesterday was certainly something that caught people's attention. but it wasn't just the fact, ana, that he fell short. it was the way in which he fell short. specifically there were some no votes yesterday that we assumed would be coming. but there were others, including the head of the appropriations committee, congressman granger, who as far as i understand jordan allies didn't see as a no vote. some people on the democratic side wondered if maybe she voted against jordan by mistake. that's something that is so crucial and could ultimately have scared some people off about the jordan whip operation. that's one of the key things i think people are thinking about. the other thing as we're watching members come in and out here is that there is this new push to potentially coalesce around a mchenry candidacy. some people might find that more

palatable. i think michael steele brings up a good point here, about the political perils of voting for jim jordan. i think for moderate republicans, they already have taken that plunge. we're already watching the democratic house campaign arm mobilize on the airwaves and in ads and everything about what they're going to be pushing against those moderates because they voted for jim jordan, a man who is close to former president donald trump, who still regularly speaks to him, who voted to decertify the election, who was subpoenaed by the january 6th committee and defied that subpoena, but who was largely concluded to be someone who was innately involved in the former president's plans to overturn the 2020 election results. for all of those reasons, he is someone who carries political baggage for people who are moderate and in biden won districts, they have already made that vote, though. and i think that's important. they're moving on not quorum call vote now.

>> it is calling for who is here and who is not, right? so, donna, just, ali was saying something earlier in our conversation about how bipartisanship has become a dirty word for the republicans at the house of representatives. is there no possibility ever, you think, of republicans and democrats getting together and agreeing to have a speaker and even the revolutionary idea of actually getting legislation done? >> well, such a good question. look, i think there is -- it is a very remote possibility, but the fact is that this really is in the republican house. it is in their -- in their playing field to get this done. what i do see, and i think some of the names that surprised me on the list yesterday were people like kate granger and mike stenson because they have

historically worked across the aisle, having policy agreements, but working with their counterparts on the other side. they're kind of institutionalists. and to see those names on the list, i think is really troubling for jordan, but it is a sign that there are people who want to get the appropriations process done, they want to get defense spending done, they want to make sure that the institution functions. and so whether we'll get to a point that there is a, you know, sort of cross partisanship agreement to move forward on a speaker, i think it is remote, but i don't think that jim jordan survives today. >> we are looking right now at the split screen as we're monitoring these two breaking news events happening. there you see on the right side, president biden now getting ready to leave israel, following a whirlwind trip to this country at war where he was greeted by the prime minister this morning. literally just hours ago when he touched down in tel aviv.

he was greeted with a hug by prime minister benjamin netanyahu, he met with not only netanyahu, but a brief meeting with the president of israel herzog, he also met with the war cabinet there in israel, that was established after that horrific attack on october 7th. he met with first responders, family members of victims and then we heard his remarks live here last hour. >> interesting to see that secretary of state antony blinken was also right behind the president as they were going to air force one. probably heading back to the out of america. the secretary of state has been on this shuttle diplomacy mission for days now. he's been going from one area to the other, meeting with leaders of all countries that are involved or could be involved or have some influence one way or another. seems as though the secretary of state is also returning back to washington with the president. if we could go back now to this -- the quorum, right, the quorum call, essentially finding out who is there and who is not

there, so as they get ready, i guess, for this next phase. john kasich, nebraska congressman bacon who did not vote for jordan shared with nbc news what heescribed as threatening text messages he says were actually sen to his wifenymoly pressuring him to s jordan's candidacy for speaker. one text begins, whys your husband causing chaos by not en bacon's wife asked the sender to identify theelves, the sender wrote, you husband will never hold political office again. another text, tell your husband to step up and be a leader. what is your reaction to this, john? >> it is ridiculous. you can only threaten people so long to where they say, you know what, i'm not putting up with that. don't threaten me. i think that's part of it. there are a variety of reasons why these members didn't vote for jordan. the reason why someone might have voted for him, but not vote for him again as they may have been part of the ohio delegation. so keep an eye on the fact that

somebody who voted for him yesterday may not vote for him again. i also don't agree necessarily with this panel that it is, quote, remote that there could be some cooperation between republicans and democrats. i don't agree with that. i think to get mchenry in there, it is going to require, in my opinion, some cooperation with the democrats. and, look, you had mccarthy in a position of trying to work the budget deal out, he worked with democrats, they took him out, so now the democrats have to say, okay, well maybe we should have somebody reasonable that we could work with, because there is things they want to do, there are things they want to accomplish as well. they got a president, they got the senate, and there is some things they would like to see happen in the house. so, you know, i think the idea that you're going to marginalize some of the extremists is something that is becoming a more popular idea. and looks as though mchenry is, you know, he looks as though he might be acceptable and then you saw, you know, you had newt and boehner coming out, "the wall

street journal," there is not the push for jordan that some may have had expected. secondly, just a comment, with the president having gone to israel, you know, it is such a difficult job for the israelis to figure out how they're going to take out hamas. but yet not create a wider war or secondly to get themselves in the position where they fully alienate saudi arabia, which is a game changer in the middle east and something that people are hoping might happen. so, the president, i'm glad he went. i'm glad blinken is doing shuttle diplomacy and the one thing they need is they need a house of representatives who is going to settle down and get the aid to ukraine and get the aid to israel. enough of this already. let's just -- it is not apostasy to say we should work with people on the other side who were elected by the american people to do something good. that's not a crazy idea. >> sure. >> i know it is kind of become the idea in washington lately. i think you're going to see some change. >> i think some people have noted, though, that when speaker

pelosi was elected speaker, there wasn't some requirement or necessity for republicans to vote for her in order for her to be speaker. and at the same time, i think what you say, governor kasich, is completely accurate. american people expect representatives to do their jobs, to govern, and that means in many cases working together to pass legislation. let's go back to ali as we continue to watch the quorum vote happening, we know, again, this is just kind of the procedural time where people come into the chamber. >> attendance call. >> they have about seven minutes or eight minutes left on this portion of today's proceedings. you have some new information about sort of what democrats are thinking here and what you're learning about hakeem jeffries? >> reporter: yeah, exactly right, ana. i'm looking around because we are starting to watch lawmakers come in so they can be counted as part of that quorum call. i know it seems like it is home room attendance, but it is actually extremely important for

those of us who need to know the numbers we're working with on both sides. when it comes to the numbers, we're also waiting to see how democrats react to the possibility of the empowering mchenry vote coming up sooner rather than later. our understanding is that congressman dave joyce of ohio could be the person to put forward his resolution that would temporarily empower mchenry. this is something that when i spoke to the top democrat hakeem jeffries last night, it was first time he really signaled an openness to this. he used the words genuine to describe what he would be working towards in bipartisan fashion in terms of coming to some fruition of an empowerment agreement that allows the house to work, but that doesn't let someone in his words as extreme as jim jordan into the speaker's chair and holding the speaker's gavel. jeffries just in the last few minutes as he was walking to the floor told our team that he still is open to a resolution empowering mchenry. he would want to review it. he was coy about how democrats would react, though i have spoken to some rank and file

democrats who say that they would be open to voting for this, especially moderates. they need to see themselves as part of a working congress, not a place that is just mired in partisan gridlock. there could be some political upside to them, and i've spoken to some of them, but the concern for democrats, however moderate or progressive you are, you don't want to run afoul of leadership. we're listening closely to the way hakeem jeffries talks about this, because the moment that he signals openness in a significant way, we could end up seeing democrats start them falling in line behind this new plan. we're not there yet. what i could imagine happening is if this happens too quickly, we watched democrats employ some stalling methods in the past, specifically hakeem jeffries doing that. we could see that again today. >> okay. well, stay with us, everyone. we're going to be right back with you shortly as we continue to cover this vote for speaker. >> up next, we're going to go to the other major story we're also following in the middle east, where there is outrage and demands for answers after a gaza

hospital bombing left hundreds dead. israel and hamas both blaming each other for the blast. president biden's whirlwind trip to israel. what he said last hour after an emotional meeting with first responders and families of the missing. we're back in 60 seconds. you're watching special coverage on msnbc reports. you're watching special coverage on msnbc reports ♪ things are looking up ♪ ♪ i've got symptom relief ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements at 4 weeks. skyrizi is the first and only il-23 inhibitor for crohn's that can deliver both clinical remission and endoscopic improvement. the majority of people on skyrizi achieved long lasting remission at 1 year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to.

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>> last hour, president biden said this about that hospital blast. >> i was outraged and saddened by the enormous loss of life yesterday at the hospital in gaza. based on the information we have seen today, it appears the result of an errant rocket fired by a terrorist group in gaza. >> joining us is josh lederman from tel aviv and meagan fitzgerald standing by in amman, jordan, and peter alexander at the white house. josh, you're there, the president, we saw, getting back on air force one, just a few minutes ago. this was a very quick trip. what is your sense of what he accomplished? >> well, the president was able to send a clear message that the u.s. is standing with israel, going to continue supporting israel both diplomatically, but also militarily, announcing new u.s. assistance that he plans to send to israel. but, of course, the entirety of this trip was overtaken by the

events of the last 24 hours in the gaza strip, and the questions hanging over exactly who was behind that explosion at the hospital, with the president making clear during his visit here on two occasions, that he believes based on current information available to the u.s. government that israel's version of events, that it was not an israeli strike, but a rocket from the palestinian militant group islamic jihad is correct. but we're also starting to learn more about what president biden was able to accomplish in terms of what he actually set out to do here. this was a trip that secretary blinken had said would focus largely on trying to get humanitarian assistance into the gaza strip, given the massive humanitarian crisis there. and in the last few minutes, we have heard from the israeli prime minister's office that following what they called a demand from president biden for basic humanitarian aid to flow into the gaza strip that there was a unanimous decision struck

by israel's new war cabinet, and that israel has agreed that it will not do anything to thwart aid going to the palestinians from egypt over the crossing into the gaza strip. as long -- this is an important condition -- as long as that aid is not diverted to hamas. israel says if any aid starts to going to hamas, they're going to cut it off and notably the israelis say they're not going to allow any aid whatsoever to go from israel into the gaza strip until all of israel's abductees now believed to be in the gaza strip are freed. this appears to be a concession, the israelis are granting to the u.s., in tandem with this visit which was a real boost of support for netanyahu, saying they will allow that aid to go in through egypt, but at the same time, the whole visit here s. is standing alongside its the ally israel even as president biden finished his time here,

really speaking to the palestinian people, trying to make clear that he sees a separation between hamas and the palestinian public and that the efforts now by israel and the u.s. to oppose hamas are not directed at the palestinian people themselves. >> meghan, the president was planning to go to jordan. the plans were cut short after the blast at the hospital. what has been the response there in jordan and the role of -- the influence of the king of jordan? >> well, jose, it is a great question. it was a decision that was widely seen as the right decision here in jordan in light of what we saw yesterday at the hospital, the hospital attack in gaza. you know, there is a three-day period of mourning across the middle east here. flags are being flown at half-mast. the temperature is most certainly rising. we're seeing people taking to the streets, angry and frustrated. i spoke to many protesters who tell me that they are tired of watching innocent women and children, men, civilians, being killed. now, as you mentioned, there is

a phone call today between jordan's king abdullah and the prime minister of spain, where they have this conversation, and just released to us, from the royal court, i want to read this readout for you, it says, his majesty the king stressed the need to intensify international efforts to immediately stop the war on gaza, which has entered a dangerous stage that may drag the region and the world into disaster. we're also hearing from jordan's foreign minister, who says that the war between gaza and israel is pushing the region to the brink. these are some strong words here and certainly alarms that this situation is quickly going in the wrong direction, jose. >> and, peter, does the biden administration feel that the president in fact achieved the goals he had with this visit today? and what is next? >> it is a good question there as well, ana. i don't think the white house had any expectation that in the course of the seven-hour president the president could

resolve tensions that existed between the palestinian people and the israelis for more than 75 years. but they do think this was an important step in spite of the complications, complications not even the right word to describe the awful explosion that took place, the president, of course, disputing the claims by hamas and other palestinians that this was an israeli strike, we're now being told by national security official here that it was due to intercepts, images from overhead imagery that the u.s. has obtained, and some other open source information that allows the president to be able to say as declaratively as he did that the u.s.' current assessment is that it was not the israelis responsible for that strike that took place there. but one thing that did strike me in the president's remarks today specifically was the comments he made about 9/11, this as he compared to america's 9/11 would be like 15 9/11s taking place, given the death toll and the proportion of people that live in israel compared to those in the u.s. he said of that after 9/11 that

we sought justice, we got justice, but we also made mistakes. and that, i read, as a clear effort to try to call for some restraint by the israelis right now to do everything in their power to limit the impact on civilians in the not just west bank, of course, but in gaza right now, as they try to rid that area of hamas. >> josh, nbc news learned that more u.s. military personnel and equipment were going to be moving to the waters near the region, but have not been asigned to support israel specifically. how would that impact the situation there? >> well, the u.s. has already been moving strike -- carrier strike groups to the eastern mediterranean sea, now sending those additional troops that you mentioned to the region. if you can hear behind me, we're hearing a few bangs here in tel aviv. those are the iron dome defense system rockets actually hitting the rockets launched from gaza

to knock them down. it is notable that this is the first time since the president arrived here that we have heard that, we have expected maybe we would hear air raid sirens while the president was on the ground in israel. that was the not case until the last 30 seconds or so ago. to your question, the idea here behind moving troops to the region is really as a deterrent against namely iran, but also other militant groups in the region. if this starts to escalate and we see other groups start to get involved, the u.s. would be fully prepared with the assets in the area needed to protect not only israel, but also u.s. interests in the region. and so the u.s. hoping with those troops they're sending what the white house called a clear signal to iran and others that they need to forget any idea about getting involved themselves against israel. >> i think it was three times the president and his remarks saying don't, don't, don't. we're looking at this live image

now of israel, lebanon border. you can see some smoke, some flames there. not exactly sure what has transpired. we have seen in recent days an exchange of fire from both sides of that border. josh, you mentioned hezbollah, which as we know is on the other side of the border, israel is on the other side. >> journalist killed just in that area right now with the right after the war broke out between israel and hamas. and this, of course, happening in the israel-lebanese border. josh, meagan, peter, thank you for being with us. >> we're keeping our eyes on the u.s. house floor where members are getting ready to vote on a speaker. an update next. >> you are watching special coverage on msnbc reports. xt. >> you are watching special coverage on msnbc reports. this is american infrastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪

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37 after the hour. you are looking at a live picture of the house floor. any moment now, members will take another vote for a new house speaker, one day after the house failed to choose a speaker on the first ballot. >> we're also waiting the nominating speeches, which we will bring to you. again, jim jordan is the current candidate for speaker, but he failed to get the 217 votes needed in order to secure the speakership. let's bring back our panel now and get the very latest starting with ali vitali and our understanding, we're told that there are some folks gathering there in the house, specifically a group of republicans who were

withholding their votes from jim jordan yesterday. what can you tell us, ali? >> well, look, we're always eagle eyed on who is talking to who on the house floor and thankfully we have our producer kyle stewart in the chamber who is reporting for us that the speaker pro tem mchenry was in conversations with elise stefanik and jim jordan. that makes sense. they're trying to figure out what the day might look like, what the path forward could bring. but there is some holdouts that were also huddled together, jimenez, lawler, d'esposito, several of those of the new york delegation. we saw many of them vote for mccarthy yesterday or lee zeldin who ran for governor last election cycle and lost. jordan at one point according to kyle approached lalota and the two spoke one on one for a few minutes. lalota went back to his fellow new york holdouts. we'll see if anything comes from that. but i think it is important to point out that even jordan

allies are saying it is probably going to get worse before it gets better for jim jordan here. they're not expecting his vote count to improve at all here. if anything he may end up losing a few more votes. we'll see how that plays out. but some of the conversations i've been having since coming off camera with you guys have been with other members of the conference, both on the republican and the democratic side, who are saying that whatever happens on this next balloting round, and it is widely expected that jordan will not have the votes he needs to become speaker, that they then want to move on to empowering the speaker pro tempore, patrick mchenry to do the business of the house, and notably we're listening to someone like steny hoyer, long time member of democratic leadership, now out of the capacity, but still very much dialed in with deep relationships here on capitol hill, he told me he didn't want to tell his leadership what to do, but he himself had conversations with republicans who are interested in installing mchenry in a more empowered capacity. the one thing that i'm looking at in these nominating speeches

is the fact that we were able to scoop through our producer rebecca kaplan that tom cole, the veteran appropriator and republican lawmaker will be giving the nominating speech for jordan. cole is a name that democrats have floated as someone who could be a temporary coalesce speaker. what we're seeing is he doesn't want this job, he's backing jim jordan. >> let's talk about those -- the group that already has said never jordan, are there any in that group that maybe said never jordan unless i change my mind and if so, what are the different reasons behind the never jordans? >> yeah, there is a couple of different factors here. so don bacon, who voted against jordan yesterday, this is a classic blue district democrat, he's from nebraska, but he's from that congressional district in nebraska that voted for joe biden by seven points in 2020. they give their electoral votes

by congressional district in nebraska. a biden electoral vote from that district, a moderate profile it makes sense for him to take a stand against jordan. someone like ken buck, safely red district, very conservative voting record, very different in terms of motivations there, you've mentioned there are a number of members of the appropriations committee here, chairs of the subcommittee, appropriations subcommittees, who took a stand here, kay granger, the chair against jordan in this vote. you have those moderates from new york from pro biden districts in new york who ali was talking about. one thing i think to keep an eye on in this vote is, again, we're talking about it, how many -- how many of these no votes, if any, was jordan successful in peeling off versus how many new no votes for jordan are there? there is one group, we're going to be tracking them as this vote goes on, you'll see each one of these names and who they vote for fill in. you'll be able to lock along.

when you see, if you see five who continue to vote against jordan, jordan will mathematically have no path to the speakership on the second ballot. it is this new no votes category, we're very interested in, and one of the things that was particularly interesting about the vote yesterday is that there are 18 house republicans who come from districts that voted for joe biden. they come from blue districts, like don bacon. don bacon voted against jim jordan, but the majority of these 18, 12 of these 18 actually voted for jim jordan in the roll call yesterday. and if there is some sense among that group of potentially politically vulnerable republicans that maybe they don't want to stay, you know, out there for jim jordan, that maybe there is an alternative path with all this talk of patrick mchenry, and some kind of deal there, those are republicans that might look at the this new vote here to see if there has been any movement there. some names for instance, brian

fitzpatrick from pennsylvania, mike garcia, tom kaine jr. from new jersey, michelle steel from california, dave schweikert, arizona, david valadao from california, they represent biden districts, they voted for jim jordan yesterday, does this potential idea that is now in circulation of, hey, maybe it doesn't have to be jordan, maybe there is a way to get mchenry in there to make this look more bipartisan politically speaking, just in terms of their incentives in their home districts, the politics of their districts, that might be appealing to them. if they see in voting against jordan on the second ballot a potential pathway to get to that, is that something they feel politically they would be comfortable with, i think that's one group in particular i would look for here in this new no votes category. again, that is the question here. how much ground has jordan succeeded in making up from the no votes and how much new ground

has he lost, if any, in terms of other voters? i stress, kevin mccarthy, took him 15 ballots, but kevin mccarthy never took a major step backwards in his vote count. i think he lost one or two votes in the first six or seven ballots back in january. he never lost, like, ten, 20 new votes. so if this ends up being a high number, a huge if, we'll find out, but if this ends up being a high number here, that's going to put you in territory for jordan that mccarthy was never in, in that 15-round march to the speakership back in january. >> okay, we're watching what is happening right now in the chamber and we just saw jordan talking with mchenry again. mchenry being speaker pro tempore, we're also told that the delay here is in part trying to wait for a few more members to arrive to have quorum. as they have been awaiting the start of these proceedings today, we are being told by producers there, watching these proceedings, that jim jordan was huddling with some of the holdouts.

steve, specifically he was apparently really trying to talk with the new york delegation. why the new york delegation? >> that's where you had a whole bunch of these holdouts here are from new york. mike lawler, nick lalota, from out on long island, andrew garbarino, from out on long island. anthony d'esposito, out on long island. these are all not just no votes here, you're talking most of these are biden district democrats. you also saw, let's see, mike lawler i mentioned. mike lawler had a very narrow victory in his race for the house. there were two potentially vulnerable house republicans from new york who voted for jim jordan yesterday. the rest voted against him. a lot of them actually voted for their former colleague from -- for lee zeldin, former house member from long island. so i think that perhaps there may be a sense that it is a

package deal and if you could pick off -- they could come together in a batch, you look at some of the statements that were coming from anthony d'esposito, from long island, he was talking about nuts and bolts, meats and potatoes kinds of things he was looking for in a speaker, in terms of support, in terms of money, in terms of infrastructure, things like this. wasn't making a particularly ideological statement in terms of what he was looking for. he's something, you know, you look at his district, he's -- if d'esposito were to vote for jordan, that's the vote that democrats want d'esposito to make. that's a biden district democrat, they feel that jordan being aligned with jordan for a republican in a district like that is something democrats feel they can get a lot of mile oth mileage out of. that would be interesting if he ended up flipping over there. he's got to worry about re-election. he's in that kind of a district. >> and just michael steele, just

kind of piggybacking off what we were speaking to donna about earlier about how it is almost an impossibility to even say the word bipartisanship or working across the aisle, michael. and it is something that when that is the reality, when, you know, bipartisanship is a bad word, among the republicans, what is the possibility of this going forward, and, you know, let's talk about the ending of the cr. there is all of these issues that are happening when one word and a concept behind it makes it impossible. >> absolutely right, jose. it is at the -- it is just so ridiculous because, you know, everybody wants to put this in a moderate bucket or conservative bucket or progressive bucket. in that chamber, the general animating principle is finding consensus around these issues, particularly when they become

difficult. yes, the politics is an influence, and it plays itself out. but when you take that off the table, when you take the idea that i can't cross the aisle to cut a deal with the opposition in order to move legislation forward, so that we can bring it to the floor and have a broader debate, you're not going to get anything done. and so the reality for this republican-led house is, okay, whoever you pick still has to sit down with hakeem jeffries, still has to go down to 1600 pennsylvania avenue and have a conversation with the president about the budget, about ukraine, about israel. and if you're hamstrung by your caucus, because they don't want you to do anything that remotely smells like bipartisanship or consensus or negotiation, what do you do? it doesn't matter who is sitting in the speaker's chair if they're so burdened. we have watched a speaker lose

his job over this. in fact, jose, we have watched four republican speakers lose their job or quitause of the improbable and very difficult pressure that their right flank puts on any ability to get things done in the house. and that, that is going to be a very difficult hurdle to overcome for whomever steps into that role, this idea of mchenry filling out a stopgap measure will be interesting to see because that's going to be the moderates in both wings, the democrat and republicans, kind of reinforcing each other together, which i'm surprised they haven't done up to this point. >> we're just -- >> to sort they haven't done up to this point. to sort of push this forward. >> we are just told -- speaking of pushing forward, we are sitting here in limbo before the vote. we are told one democratic member of the house is still missing. they are trying to track him

down. congresswoman edwards, what would democrats get out of throwing support behind a speaker pro tem mchenry in this specific case, given that sounds like this is the direction it could be headed? >> it's so interesting, because in the interim a couple of my former colleagues texted me that they would get sanity. i do think that while i describe the possibility of installing a permanent speaker who is kind of a bipartisan consensus, i do think it is going to take that bipartisan consensus to get mchenry the kind of powers that need to be many place in order to get through this really critical period of the next 30 days with hanging in the balance israel funding, ukraine funding, and keeping the government open. so i think those conversations are, in fact, actively going on

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we go right back to capitol hill. they are gaveling in now. there you see the speaker pro tem. >> let's listen for a minute. as everybody takes their seat, let's talk until new action begins. governor, we didn't get a chance to talk with you. let me start with you as we watch this. if jim jordan doesn't get 217

votes today, then what? >> this is all -- it's pretty simple to me. you may be seeing now the rise of -- i hate to call moderates. dave joyce is a conservative, but he is common sense. i have wondered for how long are we going to let a handful of people capture the whole party. i think people are tired of it. there's things we have to do. take care of israel, take care of ukraine. we don't want another government shutdown. for those in republican districts, they were worried about a primary. they may tell their constituent, i couldn't keep this going on. i couldn't let the house fall apart. we needed to help israel, ukraine. it's a really good position for them to be in. i don't think he is going to get it now. there's not the heat i felt yet. wasn't sure he was going to get it then. >> i have to interrupt you. [ applause ]

>> thank you very much, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, two weeks and one day ago, i was on this house floor and in this chamber defending my very good friend and our former speaker mr. mccarthy from an effort to vacate the chair. in the course of that speech, i made the remark that those who did this, whether intentionally or unintentionally, were going to put congress in the state of chaos and the country into a state of uncertainty. i think the last two weeks have vindicated that observation. but we have a chance today to end that chaos and to end that

uncertainty. now, when these races happen, there's always a lot of hard things said on both sides of the aisle. there's a lot of finger pointing that goes on. i don't intend to be involved in any of that today. i think the decision in front of us is far, far too important for that. but i am very proud -- very proud to place in nomination the name of our good friend, my good friend, our republican candidate for speaker, the honorable jim jordan of ohio. [ applause ] >> knowing jim jordan for a long time, i've been in congress for a long time. so it is for his entire period in the house i have had the honor of serving with my friend.

my friend is not exactly a shrinking violet. you don't win a national championship in college, you don't come to this floor with a sincere set of beliefs and desire to make a change and be shy about it. my friend is not a shy person. but i have learned some things about him over the years. he is a person of absolute personal integrity. i have never once had to question something that he told me. he is an honorable man. also, i think we all know he is a pretty direct man, too. i don't think anybody in here on any issue of any substance would have to guess where jim jordan is going to stand. he doesn't deceive. he doesn't dissemble. he simply tells you straight up, this is what i believe, this is why i think it's the right thing to do for the country and that's what i'm going to try to accomplish and i'm going to work with you to do it.

the other thing i think we found in the last couple of weeks is what it takes to be a speaker. the one thing i know never having been one and never having aspired to be one, that it takes a spine of steel to do this job. my friend has that kind of determination, has that kind of character, has that kind of spine. i think the next speaker is going to need that quality. i know my friend has it in great abundance. if you are republican, it ought to be an easy decision, my friends. this is somebody who believes what we believe and has fought for and shown that over and over again. i first got to know him, a lot of his focus was on spending. that's exactly where the focus of this house ought to be. he has laid out a plan not just a short-term plan as to how we deal with the appropriations process. i'm an appropriator.

i think i know that's not the root of the problem. unlike any other speaker we have had, he has had the courage to talk about a long-term plan and to get at the real drivers of debt. we all know what they are. we all know it's medicare, medicare, social security. no president has been willing to deal with this. no speaker of either side has been willing to deal with this. my friend our former colleague john delaney and i offered a plan. i still file it. address social security. we never can get any help. this is a guy that wants to create a debt commission, a bipartisan debt commission, and get at the root of our spending problem. that takes courage. [ applause ] republicans ought to support somebody with that kind of courage.