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like bacon's interest here to be seen opposing jim jordan. democrats are itching for a republican to vote for bacon. anthony d'esposito, his district voted for joe biden by 14 points in the 2020 presidential election. he sees it as a dangerous vote politically. then you've got more of the institutionalists, kay granger, she continues to be a holdout here. mario diaz-balart from florida, he continues to be a holdout. from this list of 18 who vote nod yesterday and voted no today, and this new list of four who are added on, are there five who are committed to just not voting for jim jordan? because if the answer to that is yes, he'll never get the votes. >> i think that's going to have to be the last word, garrett haake, steve kornacki, thank you both so much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports."
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"chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i am chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. you have been following this step by step. deja vu all over again on the house floor. a new vote for speaker once again ending in a deadlock as jim jordan comes up short. in fact, he actually lost ground when compared to the first round. 22 republicans opposing jordan this time compared to 20 yesterday. two members, doug lamalfa and victoria sparts flipped and supported him. four others went in the other direction, securing the defeat not just for congressman jordan but arguably for the far right as a whole. now what? joining us nbc's ali vitali on capitol hill, and steve kornacki, brendan buck an aid to former republican speakers paul ryan and john boehner who's an msnbc political analyst, and
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david drucker, senior writer at "the dispatch." okay, al what now? what are the conversations? what happens? >> reporter: once again, back to the drawing board, chris, and we're waiting to see what happens next. initially our understanding was that jordan knew he was going to lose votes on this balloting round, that's exactly what happened, even jordan allies were forecasting that. now just in the last few minutes apparently he has left the chamber. people are of course asking him the obvious question, which is what do you do next? do you drop out? do you stay in? initially our understanding was that jordan was willing to go through this for several balloting rounds. that very well may still be the case. as he's been dealing with all day and frankly over the last 24 hours, there's this new cross current from people who are just so fed up with the fact that they keep hitting the same brick wall over and over again when they try to elect somebody, anybody to be the new speaker that there might be a new push to empower the existing speaker, the speaker pro tem por ray in
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this case to actually be able to run the business of the house. now, there are some people who interpret the speaker pro tempore role as one able to do those things. it's a pretty untested position in this modern era. mchenry's interpretation is that he doesn't have the power to run things on the floor, to do something like move an aid package to israel, which of course is something of great urgency for many of these members in bipartisan fashion. and so what we're likely to see here is at least one congressman try to move his resolution to empower mchenry. i've spoken to democrats and republicans alike who say that they could get behind that as an idea, especially now that they've seen jordan lose on this second ballot. there's an open question of what the order will look like to get to that. republicans might go back into what member called to me another festivus meeting where they go back behind closed doors and air grievances, but nothing gets
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figured out. that could be something that's happened and that's something our sources are priming us for. we're sort of at a shrugy emoji, question mark, no one knows what's coming next. we'll wait for them to gavel this vote. for those of them who actually watch the floor, nothing's over until it's fully gavelled. we are waiting for next steps here, chris. >> brendan, you were on the hill for a long time, shrugy emoji is a well-known technical phrase that they use in washington, d.c. but what a mess. i mean, when you look at what is at stake here, when you look at what's happening in israel, when you look at what's happening in ukraine, and when you consider we are now less than a month from not being able to fund the government, what do you see here? >> i think that's why the momentum is going to shift to this mchenry solution. it's not an easy solution -- >> is it a solution? >> it is a solution as much as one exists. steve scalise couldn't get the votes. jim jordan can't get the votes. i don't think there's anybody who can get the votes. there's so many hurt feelings
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right now. everybody's taking things out on their enemies within the conference, there's just no time for the wounds to heal to come to a resolution for any long-term solution. we'll have to get a speaker at some point, but to your point, there's too much stuff to get done, so they're going to have to go to mchenry. this gets ugly quick. if you allow me to geek out, there's two ways you can do this. one, as ali was talking about, the house can pass a resolution empowering patrick mchenry saying you now have the authority to bring up bills. that may not work. there are going to be a lot of republicans that say that's like voting for him for speaker. i don't want to do that. democrats would have to come along. there's been some things they want in exchange for that. it may be an inability for the house to even do that. the other option is mchenry can just start trying to move bills. this is untested, an unprecedented area. the parliamentarians don't believe he has that authority. the rules of the house are effectively whatever a majority of the body says they are. so mchenry could move to
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recognize someone to say bring up a less legal conclusion -- resolution condemning hamas. the parliamentarian can say that's out of order. the house could then vote, are we going to allow this resolution to come up. if the house says that's okay by us, at that point mchenry basically has authority to start doing things. there's a number of ways this could go out. we've never been in this situation before, so it's all somewhat untested, but i think some kind of mchenry solution, whether the house votes to empower him or he takes it by himself is where we have to go. >> if he takes it by himself and let's say there is a resolution involving funding for israel, is that empowerment then only for that one thing? >> i think they could challenge each and every time something comes up. that's where that bipartisan governing coalition is going to have to come together. it's not going to necessarily be power sharing where mchenry gives hakeem jeffries things. i think mchenry is the type of person who might be able to engender that kind of trust. hakeem jeffries said he trusts him a bit. if you want to bring up funding
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for israel, if you want to bring up funding for ukraine, this may be the only way to do it. i'm going to need democrats to help bring it up. >> all right, ali, you've been there, you've talked to a lot of folks. weigh in, what would this look like for mchenry? >> reporter: well, look, in terms of getting through that vote, it would look a little different to go through a resolution vote that would empower him than it is to go through what we've seen now for two rounds around jim jordan and what we're so accustomed to. a speaker's vote looks different. we count to 217 in this instance, we watch each member alphabetically get taken down the list and they voice who they're voting for. that's what we've seen. that's not necessarily what it would look like to vote on a resolution that would empower the speaker pro tempore. it's a simple majority likely done by electronic ballot, and it's also something if we look at the resolutions as they've been drafted at this point -- and i've seen two of them -- democrats are going to want some time to read and review them. that's not them saying, oh, no,
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we're not going to get behind this. in fact, in my conversations with leader jeffries, it's clear he's more open to this now than i've heard him at any point over the last three weeks, but they do want to make sure they have time to review this. i think what we might end up seeing is something akin to what democrats did when they were trying to stall and just get a better sense of what was in the package that avoided the government shutdown a few weeks ago. we watched leader jeffries use something called the magic minute on the floor, which effectively means he can talk for as long as he wants, he can buy his lawmaker time to see what's in this bill. that could be a method they employ here to make sure they can get their ducks in a row. i don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that at least some moderate democrats who i've been talking to could come to the table and say, ye, this seems right, even for a temporary period of time. one of the dates that i think has been thrown around for how long you would temporarily empower the speaker pro tempore for is until november 17th,
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which also happens to be the day that right now the government would shut down without congressional intervention. so certainly everyone is looking at the same dates and plot points on the calendar. it's just a question of what they do to get to them, and it may end up being that mchenry is the person: i do think, this is going to be slow walked a little bit, and we're not going to see them launch into what's next. just so that we can get a sense of what they say happens next, but that's what it would look like if they did move and when they do move to actually consider a resolution that would empower mchenry. it's going to look a little different and it's going to get them to maybe a different result or maybe they'll keep going around in circles. >> i want to go back to that, but steve, let me come to you. let's get a lay of the land, lay out, break down the votes as they stood today for us, and what it tells us. >> the bottom line is we came into today looking at the 20 republicans who yesterday in the first ballot had voted against
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jim jordan. was he going to show any progress in terms of flipping them and then the other question was are there going to be new republican who is had supported jordan yesterday who decided on this second ballot, i gave him one shot. i'm moving away. what you see here first, these are all the republicans who were noes yesterday, and pretty much they stayed no. they stayed against him. they voted for a range of other candidates but they did not vote for jim jordan. you got to get pretty far down the list for doug la malfa from california. the other success that jordan had was victoria spartz from indiana who's been all over the place from january with all those rounds with mccarthy. she ended up flipping to jordan. 18 of the 20 who voted against him yesterday stayed against him today, and then four republicans who had voted for jordan yesterday flipped against him kind of an interesting list
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here, veteran buchanan from florida, drew ferguson from georgia, marionette miller meeks from iowa. she had the closest congressional race in the country two cycles ago and pete stauberg from duluth, minnesota, he voted for bruce westerman, one of his colleagues from arkansas. those are the four new ones. those folks who maybe perked up at this possibility of a compromise involving extended powers for mchenry was their way of sort of moving in that direction expressing on interest of moving in that direction. did they have other reasons as well. the bottom line is there were 20 who were against jim jordan on the first ballot, now there are 22 who are against him. they come from a range of places and a range of political motivations. i think that's the other interesting thing here, when you think back to kevin mccarthy and his long struggle to get the
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speaker's gavel back in january, you generally were talking about cooped of a hard line group of very conservative members that he was trying to win over with various concessions, but the list here is a lot more diverse politically. you've got folks from genuinely blue districts here like don bacon from nebraska, anthony d'esposito from new york, laurie chavez dreamer from oregon. that's a district that voted for biden by nine points. d'esposito's voted for biden's by 14 points. it may simply be in their political interest in terms of surviving in the next election to align themselves against jordan. it might bolster their credentials with moderates with voters in districts that are pretty blue. you have plenty of folks from the list. ken buck from colorado seems as dug in as anybody else. you had kay granger from texas chair the appropriations committee, safely republican district. she continues to be dug in on
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this as well. john rutherford from florida, simpson from idaho, womack from arkansas, and the bottom line here, you know, it took 15 rounds that mccarthy wore folks down, made concessions, and he just squeaked through getting six to vote present. if there are five on this list, if you can spot five who aren't going to vote for jim jordan, then the math is never going to be there for him. after two days of this and looking at these motivations, it's easy to see a lot more than five who might fall into that category. >> that brings us to david drucker, what our great and good friend here, brendan, says may be their only alternative right now, which is to consider the mchenry possibility. said no to scalise. they said no to jordan in a big way. they said no to mccarthy. is there an advantage to democrats to helping this along? can they then say, look, we were the grown-ups in the room while
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the republicans were wallowing in their hurt feelings, while they were fighting internally, we decided to do something that was going to move things forward. could you see this happening? >> well, look, my sources tell me that it's something that a lot of house republicans and people that work with them are considering, and they're trying to figure out how this would work, how long would they want to empower mchenry to essentially act as the speaker of the house. would they want it just for, you know, a matter of weeks? would they want it for a few months? would they want it to work longer? would it be a task, an acknowledgment that they'd rather have mchenry get government funding across the finish line in the form of legislation that a lot of them are not going to want to vote for, and it kind of washes their hands of things while avoiding a government shutdown. it takes care of crucial military aid to not just israel but ukraine and taiwan. the president has talked about putting border security money in
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a combined aid package like that. but i think that this is something republicans are going to have to come to on their own. the minute you start talking about working with house democrats on a compromise solution, even if it's somebody like patrick mchenry with impeccable conservative credentials who has always stuck with the party, this becomes a very big messaging problem back home for a lot of republicans. in other words, they can say that the disagreement i'm having is just which republican should lead us. but i am steadfast in supporting a republican to leave the house. the minute -- the minute conservative opponents of these republicans and others can come after you for working with democrats to dilute republican power, even though they're doing it for themselves, then this becomes much more complicated. >> all right, there you saw mchenry with the gavel. >> the house will come to order.
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the tellers agree in their tallies that the total number of votes cast is 433 of which the honorable jim jordan of the state of ohio has received 199. the honorable hakeem jeffries of the state of new york has received 212. [ cheers and applause ] >> the honorable kevin mccarthy of the state of california has received five. the honorable byron donalds of the state of florida has received one. the honorable tom emmer of the state of minnesota has received one. lee zeldin of the state of new york has received three. steve scalise of the state of louisiana has received seven. the honorable mike garcia of the state of california has received one. candace miller of the state of michigan has received one. john boehner of the state of ohio has received one.
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[ cheers and applause ] the honorable kay granger of the state of texas has received one, the honorable bruce westerman of the state of arkansas has received one. no person having received a majority, the whole number of votes cast by surname, a speaker has not been elected. pursuant to clause 12a of rule 1, the chair declares the house in recess subject to the call of the chair. >> and so those numbers are now official, exactly what we knew probably close to an hour ago when they passed that golden number, there is not a speaker right now. jim jordan does not have the votes. john boehner, your old boss -- i was trying to imagine him sitting at home watching this and getting a chuckle.
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is. >> big chuckle. >> something tells me he may not even be watching. >> probably not. >> let me ask you what this tells us. does tell us something about the power of the far right? obviously they had the power to oust mccarthy, they did not have the power to install jordan or is this something completely different? >> they've always had power to stop things, and they've been very good of stopping things. now they're getting a little bit of their own medicine. now the centrists are saying we're going to stop your guy. this was a decision by a lot of people that they are not going to reward bad behavior. jim jordan lost the election in the conference for speaker, and what ended up happening is his folks, as they always do, ended up hijacking the plans of the conference. they'd hijack steve scalise's speakership and took him out. they can turn around and say now we're going to give this to you, i think people saw that as a bring too far for a lot of people. to your conversation with david, if mchenry becomes empowered in some way as speaker, it is a very tenuous situation for him. there is not a governing
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coalition within the republican party, and you can only imagine that if they bring up something for ukraine, there are people going to be wanting to take his head off in that conference. the interesting wrinkle here, and this is an unresolved question, we don't know if you can move to vacate a speaker pro tem in this situation. there may not be actually a mechanism to vacate what patrick mchenry, position he may have. he may in some ways have a little more breathing room. that is something that the parliamentarians have ever had to rule on either. either way, it's going to be really unpopular in that conference every time he has to work with democrats to bring a bill to the floor. >> isn't the bottom line nobody can please that conference. i mean, it is exactly what we're saying. >> my issue with all of these folks for a long time is their issue is not necessarily with a speaker, it's not with john boehner, it's not with paul ryan, kevin mccarthy, it's with the realities of governing. when you're in the majority, there are certain things you have to do, and there are certain things you can't have. they're always wanted the speaker to turn their wishes
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into reality whether or not they're realistic or not. they don't invest the time to become legislators themselves, they want the speaker to make it happen for them. when the thing is so farfetched can't become reality they get upset, and the cycle goes on and on. eventually you're going to have to realize and say you can't have everything you want. and the centrists said we're not going to let these people get charged. >> jim jordan has not gotten a bill passed while he has served in congress these many years. what now? do they go into the basement? do they hash out what the next step is? do we know what next step is? tell us. >> reporter: look, we see the blue screen of death as we so affectionately call it here. the house is in recess subject to the call of the chair. that basically means a full slate of question marks, and we've got some members inside this building talking about how the house needs in their words divine intervention. i guess what i would say is brendan, feel free to come on back with us, if your old boss is getting votes. come back on. the water is warm here, it's a
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little bit wild, but we'd love to have you. i do think in terms of what actually happens next, though, is the open questiononce again. we don't know if jordan is going to go another round. we don't know if there's a desire for him to go another round or he'll drop out. i've seen from some allies of kevin mccarthy, specifically david value day owe, a congressman in a swingy district in california tweeting in the last few minutes, we don't have more time to waste, which is why i support empowering speaker pro tempore mchenry so we can reopen the house and work to find consensus. that's another moment where you're now seeing some people who are steadfast mccarthy allies saying they think it's time to move past a jordan moment. we'll look for mccarthy on this to the extent that he still has sway over this conference. we'll see what that sway looks like, but i do think that this is a moment for members who are feeling frustrated, who are feeling like they're continuing to run into a brick wall to pivot to the only other option out there, as brendan has detailed, which is trying to
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empower the speaker pro tempore, and i do think it's a good question, can you vacate that person? how do you get them out of that job if there's consensus within the conference? i mean, it brings a lot more questions, but at least it would allow this house to function, and i do think that more than any feeling right now, i'm hearing a lot of feelings in my text messages from members, there is a feeling they want to get this place working again. >> consensus within the conference has proved elusive. i thought we were friends, ali. you have a huge building full of people to interview. i have one brendan sitting here, and you're trying to take him away. we'll talk about that another day. >> reporter: i'm sorry. >> ali vitali's great reporting continues, steve kornacki, bren dakota bun, and david drucker, thank you to all of you. the other big breaking news is next, president biden on his way back to the u.s. right now after that whirlwind trip to israel. what was he able to accomplish? plus, the growing protests after an explosion at a gaza
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learn how abbvie could help you save on botox®. there is growing anger across the middle east as israelis and palestinians blame each other for that horrific explosion at a hospital in gaza city that killed hundreds of people. scenes like this out of beirut where protesters flooded the streets outside the u.s. embassy today after the militant group hezbollah calls for a day of unprecedented anger toward israel. crowds also gathering in iran where people were burning the israeli flag. and in the west bank where more fires were set, protesters were also throwing rocks. during a visit to israel, president biden said the intelligence made him confident israel was not behind the attack. two senior u.s. officials telling nbc news that an independent assessment found it actually was palestinian islamic jihad rocket that misfired and
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hit the hospital. what has never been in dispute is the gravity of the tragedy that unfolded at that hospital on tuesday. the palestinian health ministry says 471 people were killed, many of them children. a surgeon there said you could, quote, see bodies all over the courtyard and amputated parts of bodies all over the courtyard. another eyewitness described it as a scene from the day of a resurrection. i want to bring in nbc foreign correspondent josh lederman who is in tel aviv following all of this for us. josh, just so many images coming in of protests all around the globe, talk to me about what we're seeing. >> reporter: chris, the arab street right now is on fire. it has been a long time since we have seen this many cities simultaneously having protests around the arab world. over in lebanon, the u.s. government has urged americans simply not to travel there. they are saying it is a dangerous situation as those
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protests erupt in beirut, and in fact, the u.s. embassy has said that today there were violent protesters who actually caused damage to private property there, although they say that there was no damage to the embassy itself and that all of the american diplomats are safe, but over in the west bank, we're seeing something interesting, which is that a lot of the anger there is actually being directed toward the palestinian authority, which despite being an agency, an organization that is perceived as being an extension of israel, almost a proxy for israel's government, and so a lot of anger towards the p.a. and president mahmoud abbas that we're seeing from those protests where people are throwing rocks in the west bank. and then over in turkey where prime minister -- president erdogan has called on all of humanity to take action against what he calls israeli aggression, we have heard from the embassy there saying that america's consulate is now
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closed indefinitely. the embassy there is warning that for the coming weeks, they are expecting large, potentially violent protests in turkey and urging americans and others who are there to stay away from crowded areas, stay away from protests for their own safety. one of the challenges here, chris, is that so many of these nations came out so quickly to accuse israel of being behind this strike, really within a couple of hours of that explosion yesterday. including the so-called grown-ups in the room, if you will, of the arab world. egypt, jordan, countries that have long had peace with israel that now, even as conflicting accounts are coming out, the israeli government insisting they were not behind it, the u.s. now firmly backing up israel's version of events, it's going to be very difficult, if not impossible for those arab nations to walk that back, even if they wanted to because the public there is now so enraged and this has kind of taken on a life of its own, and so we are continuing to see the biden
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administration trying to tamp down those tensions, trying to prevent this from spiraling. so far we have not seen any indication in any of these middle eastern countries that they are believing the israeli version of events. instead we are seeing those governments double down on their accusation against israel that it was an israeli military strike that caused all those fatalities at that hospital in the gaza strip. >> very difficult to put the genie back in the bottle, no matter what the united states says, no matter what israel says, this is a very volatile situation clearly. thank you so much for that, josh. i want to go to raf sanchez who is live. what do we know about what's happening? what are we seeing around that hospital right now? >> reporter: well, chris, it's been interesting. things were actually relatively quiet for the seven hours or so that president biden was on the ground here. we didn't hear a lot of israeli air strikes inside gaza. we didn't see a lot of palestinian rockets coming out of gaza. air force one has left. the president is on his way back to washington, and the fighting
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has resumed. we don't know if there was any kind of understanding. you may actually be able to see that looks like the iron dome in action behind me, which is a sign of that rocket fire resuming again. there were rockets over tel aviv, which i can tell you was a real concern for israeli and u.s. officials, when secretary blinken was here earlier in the week, the sirens were going off. he was twice forced to run to the bomb shelter, one time with netanyahu. there was a lot of concern that the president's visit could be disrupted by rockets. it's not so much that there was ever a real, real danger that one of these rockets could physically injure the president but if it sounds the alarm over tel aviv you have no choice as a responsible public official but to head to the bomb shelters. fighting does appear to have resumed intensively. we have 24 hours on from the explosion at the hospital in gaza city. the fog of war lifting somewhat. the israeli military over the
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course of the day has been presenting what it said was evidence that this explosion was caused by an errant palestinian rocket. two main pieces of evidence, one drone video from an israeli drone over the hospital that israel says shows that there is no crater outside the hospital. you would expect to see a crater if it was an israeli bomb, one of these massive ordinance dropped from a fighter jet. israel is saying it has intercepted communications between two hamas officials where they acknowledge between themselves that it was a palestinian rocket. we should be really, really clear, nbc news has not been able to independently verify either of those claims and there is still a very big question mark over how a single palestinian rocket could cause such a significant death toll. these rockets are deadly. they are dangerous. they do not typically kill hundreds of people. one possibility here is that there was some sort of secondary explosion, maybe this rocket triggered some kind of either a gas canister or potentially, you
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know, hamas explosive or weapons depot. those are questions that remain unanswered. as you were saying earlier, the united states is now saying it assesses that it was not an israeli air strike. >> raf sanchez, thank you for that. i'm joined by nbc senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez for the late latest on the president's trip. it was in the end seven, seven and a half hours. how how much can get done. >> what does the white house feel it accomplished? >> reporter: it is a very tall order. the president on the ground in israel for a little more than seven hours. in terms deliverables, we heard earlier today from a spokesperson for the israeli prime minister saying that because of president biden's demands that israel has agreed to allow a humanitarian aid to flow from egypt into gaza, though it's unclear when that will begin, but this trip,
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chris, comes just hours, of course, as it is -- part of it unraveled yesterday. 24 hours ago, we thought that president biden was not only supposed to go to israel but also to jordan to meet with leaders from the arab world, egypt, jordan, the palestinian authority. that all unraveled when news of that hospital blast came out yesterday. so the president heading back to the u.s. right now, and there are a lot of questions about the future of this conflict and the president also announcing that $100 million in humanitarian aid will go from the u.s. to the palestinians in gaza and the west bank, and according to two sources familiar with the discussions, we understand that the biden administration in the coming days plans to send a supplemental funding request to congress asking for more money for not just israel but also ukraine, taiwan, and u.s. border security, but today's trip, chris, was focused on showing solidarity with israel. the president also met with top israeli officials as well as
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first responders and families of the victims and hostages. here's some of his message earlier today. take a listen. >> nations of conscience like the united states and israel are not measured solely by the example of their power, and were measured by the power of our example. that's why as hard as it is, we must keep pursuing peace. must keep pursuing a past so that israel and the palestinian people can both live safely in security and dignity and in peace. for me, that means a two-state solution. >> a key portion of those remarks, chris, was also the president not just giving support to israel, of course, which he did, but also bringing up the mistakes as he called them after 9/11 that the u.s. made and warning israel that while you feel rage, do not be consumed by it. certainly it appears to be the president asking israel to tamp things down a bit amid these humanitarian concerns, amid
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these protests that have erupted across the arab world. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you for that. i want to bring in the senior adviser with the sister for strategic and international studies international security program. it is good to have you here. i wonder at this point what you think, will any proof be too little too late to change the narrative in the region where hezbollah declared a day of anger over what happened at the gaza hospital and brought out thousands of people in protest? >> well, we certainly need some objective analysis of what happened given the evidence we have so far, the israeli version seems to be the most likely, but as we've heard from other correspondents, the hamas got out so quickly and so many other states supported them, it's going to be very hard to walk back, even if this story is shown to be untrue.
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>> let's talk about the backdrop for the president as he is asking for these things including to try to tamp down some of the heated rhetoric and protests that we've seen. american lives are at stake on air force one, nsc spokesman john kirby said there are currently 31 americans who have been killed. the number unaccounted for is 13 right now, we don't know how many of those are hostages. earlier this morning i talked to a woman now living near tel aviv but she's from virginia, who has five family members being held. here's what she told me. >> we have met with the secretary of state blinken. we have spoken on zoom with president biden. we have met with senator schumer and his delegation. we are speaking to the state department and the fbi, and we are working with the red cross. we are doing everything possible from bureaucratic level. we as a family are just going to push until we have them home. there's no eating or sleeping or
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stopping. that's the modus operandi right now, we just keep pushing. >> with americans being held, how does that impact the calculation by the president? >> it makes it very difficult for the president because our hearts go out to the families who have loved ones who were either killed or being held hostage. they're willing to pay a very, very high price. on the other hand, the price is often paid by other people. historically what's happened is that israel has swapped prisoners for others who have been captured, israelis who have been captured. that may well be what happens here, but that case we'd be swapping maybe 200, 250 hostages for thousands and thousands of palestinian terrorist who is will go on to kill a lot more people. it's a tough tradeoff to make. >> colonel, thank you for coming on the program. we appreciate it. up next, a critical hearing on capitol hill for the next u.s. ambassador to israel. it just wrapped up.
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while president biden is in israel his administration is pushing an all out blitz on capitol hill. his nominee to be the next ambassador to israel finally received a confirmation hearing 43 days after being nominated. in that hearing which finished up just in the last half hour, jack lew faced contentious questioning from republicans, largely over his defense of the 2015 iran nuclear deal made while he served as treasury secretary in the obama administration. >> you were a critical player in the obama administration's campaign of appeasement with iran. you played a pivotal role in flooding over $100 billion to the iranian regime. >> how are we supposed to see
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all of that and then somehow confirm you to this very important post when you've deliberately, in my view, misled me, misled senator kirk, misled the congress on what was happening behind the scenes. >> senator, i don't think the facts are exactly the way you describe them. >> there are people in this body, mr. lew, who they're not going to let you out of the penalty box over that. >> also on the hill today, three separate classified briefings for members of the house and senate tasked with voting on fundgor israel. nbc news reports that th white house plans to include funding for ukraine, taiwan, and the border in its israel request, a number which is expected to total around $100 billion. i want to bring in nbc's julie tsirkin on capitol hill, and dan de luce who covers national security and global affairs. so julie, tell us a little bit more about that confirmation hearing and the importance that a lot of democrats for sure see of having an ambassador there when americans are being held hostage. >> yeah, and chris, that's
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exactly the question that i asked senator cardin who is the chairman of the foreign relations committee after the hearing wrapped, after about two and a half hours. here's what he told me and we'll talk about it more on the other side. >> so if we say we have a special relationship with israel and they say, well, you don't have a confirmed ambassador, it doesn't look like it's a special relationship. it does impact the ability of the united states to carry out its policies. we need a confirmed ambassador and israel expects a confirmed ambassador. >> reporter: and i asked cardin if he had any specific conversations with his republican colleagues. you heard them in that clip share their concerns over that iran deal. he said that he has a good partner on the republican side and ranking member rich, he hopes that republican members on the committee won't stand in the way of a swift confirmation for jack lew next week. when it comes to the supplemental, some interesting timing updates. i was told by several sources that we could potentially see
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that supplemental requests, including all of those items you laid out, taiwan, israel, ukraine need border security money come as soon as today. previously we were tracking the end of this week, that also could still happen. timing is fluid. i was also told by these sources that ukraine aid is actually expected to take up a bulk of that $100 billion, of course, as you note that administration's prior request on ukraine was 24 billion. that was only supposed to cover three months. this supplemental request is going to go for a full year, chris. >> so dan, let's talk about those three classified briefings that are being held as more military american, american military personnel and equipment head to the mediterranean. what is the most likely message to congress in these briefings? >> i think the first message, chris, will be that there are no plans at the moment for u.s. troops to be entering into some kind of combat situation. but they'll also say that the whole purpose of a major show of force right now with two aircraft carriers headed to the
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eastern mediterranean, an amphibious force of thousands of marines as well is to try to deter iran, to send a very blunt message for iran not to try to exploit the situation through its proxies in lebanon, for example. i think the other thing they're going to have to talk about with lawmakers is the assistance for israel and ukraine in that package. there are plans to provide more ammunition to israel as they need it for their air defense, iron dome system, and i think they'll be urging lawmakers to approve this package because ukraine is also dependent on u.s. military assistance for its war against russia. >> dan de luce, julie tsirkin, thank you both so much. up next, how do israelis view a visit from the u.s. president and how much has the gaza explosion ratcheted up tensions. i'll talk to an israeli journalist on what he's hearing there. and then in our next hour, the agonizing wait for information about missing loved
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gratitude as he met with first responders and families impacted by the terrorist attack. >> thank you for your support and the way that you're a friend of israel and i appreciate, thank you so much. >> we're so proud that you, the president of the united states came here to israel to support this country. you uplifted the whole spirit in this country. >> joinings us now, senior analyst of the times of israel, thank you for being with us. i know you told the national review you feel president biden has been an extraordinary leader in this moment, but you also said you don't think the president needed to visit today. do you feel any differently now that you've actually seen what has happened in these six, seven and a half hours that he spent on the ground in israel? >> the feeling among every israeli is extraordinary. it's been an extraordinary visit. visit.
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he came in and really took israel's side, that was extraordinary. when i said he didn't need to visit, i'm asking diagnostically. is he here for more reasons than showing solidarity, which he'd already done magnificently and extraordinarily for israelis. i don't mean he didn't need to visit in the sense i'm criticizing him. i think there was more to this visit than solidarity. it's hard to imagine that the
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only -- put it this way, israelis woke up, from that massacre. not disastrous conflict, and they thought that hamas was a manageable, containable problem, a disaster for the palestinians. .
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possibly because they are quite ambitious. there is such a thing as a bear hug from america, america wanting to be in that war room. in order to limit.
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international reaction and even those who don't blame israel for what's happening, they seem -- they see doctors talking in gaza city about performing surgeries on the floor, workers say it's not just people who are going hungry. people are at the risk of starvation right now. where is the lane? is there a lane that doesn't involve what the president tried to differentiate, the difference between civilians and terrorists? >> the american-led coalition decided that islamic state had to be rooted out of muscle of iraq, it besieged, it didn't let anything in and anything out, and it went in uing local forces, not american forces, but it went into just grim and awful and horrible fighting that lasted a very long time in an urban environment.
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there is no way to do this fighting gently. the humanitarian humanitarian sn gaza is quite bad. hamas, by the way, makes it much worse than it needs to be. hospitals that run out of electricity because they don't have generators and fuel, well, all of hamas's bunkers and tunnels have months worth of generators and fuel. hamas is intentionally tried to keep people from fleeing the war zone after israel published maps of the war zone of where it's going to attack, and so the simple answer, i'm not in the war room. i don't know what israel plans. i know one thing we all know. i came from a funeral an hour ago for a father who we just buried, a grandfather. he still has a daughter, and three grandchildren. and a daughter-in-law, who are hostages in gaza, the youngest of the grandchildren is 3 years
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old, the israeli people give their government infinite credit to do what needs to be done, infinite time, hamas cannot survive this thing. and the only question israelis are asking, the world has moved on to other conversations, that makes perfect sense. we have not. and the only question that needs to be asked is how much cost is hamas going to exact from gaza for the israelis doing what the israelis have to do. hamas cannot survive this thing and no government on earth would allow that group that did that to survive this thing! haviv gur from the times of israel, much of the world mourns with you for the losses that you have seen so up close and personally. thank you, we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us today. more on the israeli-hamas war in our next hour, including that daunting challenge of a ground invasion into gaza where hamas has a maze of tunnels underground. plus, band of brothers, five
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