d, e, f, whatever number we're on at this point. >> eugene, good point. real quick, we know the republicans are to blame for this, period, end of story. but the mchenry option, could democrats go for this to make it possible? >> they are talking about it seriously. the further we get out of not having a speaker, the more democrats want to look like the adults in the room and, more importantly, what can they get out of this, right? this is politics after all. as they're moving and talking with mchenry and his allies and, more importantly, other republicans interested in the idea, they are trying to figure out, what are the things, the concessions that democrats could be able to pull out of this if this is something they actually were able to do? there is enough interest in democrats, it seems, for this to at least continue moving forward seriously. >> we'll be looking for more on this in "playbook," hitting the inboxes in a few minutes. eugene daniels, thank you. thanks for getting up "way too early" on this thursday

morning. "morning joe" starts now. which sets us apart from the terrorists, as we believe in the dignity of every human life. palestinian, muslim, jew, american, christian, everyone. if you give that up, the terrorists win. we can never let them win. >> president biden is back at the white house this morning after a jam-packed trip to israel, where he promised continued support for america's ally and cautioned against rage-filled vengeance. meanwhile, his administration is working to address the growing humanitarian crisis in gaza ahead of an expected ground invasion by israeli forces. we'll go through all of that and get a live report from jerusalem in just a moment. plus, the drama here at home on capitol hill. >> well, the drama at home on capitol hill, willie. also, the questions about some of the reporting immediately

following that tragic bombing of the hospital in gaza. a lot of the intel, u.s. intel pointing toward the fact that it was an islamic jihad rocket. there are, if you read "the wall street journal" this morning, transcripts of intercept between hamas, with members of hamas saying, yeah, it's one of our rockets. talking about how the fragments of it don't look like an israeli bomb. you have general mccaffrey and others looking at the pictures coming from there, and saying, you look at the pictures. as general mccaffrey said before, he knows about blowing things up. he spent his life doing it. he goes, there's no way in the world that that hospital was hit by an israeli bomb. yet, my god, the news reporting was so reckless and

irresponsible, that, well, you have an entire region in flames now. >> yeah. i mean, as you say, let's take partisanship out of this and just analysts, people who study these things and know these things, like people inside the national security council, but also independent experts who said, if a 500-pound israeli bomb had been dropped on a hospital, you'd see a crater. you'd see mass devastation. that's not what the images we have so far have seen. we're going to talk to some of the experts about it. why, as you say, is that important? that apparent lyse lie sets off demonstrations in the streets and gives hamas a lie to base further attacks, that israelis attacked a hospital inside gaza, which is not apparently true. it was most likely caused by a misfired rocket from palestinian islamic had. that's according to two u.s. officials and a congral staffer. nbcews nsulted four military

munitions experts. one agreed with the u. assessment which president hinted at during his trip to israel while three agreed blast was not from israel. the expertho parts of more than a dozen videos and pictures from theident and its aftermath that havbeen geolocate and had analyzed by nbc news. some said the marks left by the projectile are not existent with the weaponry israel has used recently. hamas, meanwhile, blamed an israeli air strike for the explosion without citing evidence. a claim widely accepted across the middle east and in some quarters of america. as "the wall street journal" editorial board points out, hamas may still call this a success. its propaganda held up long enough to set the middle east ablaze. there is the problem, joe, with leaping to conclusions and taking hamas, yes, hamas at its word about what happens in this war. >> right.

sources, again, inside of gaza that immediately report something that immediately goes up on websites, on tv screens across america, that, again, we have no evidence. again, the jury may still be out. all of the evidence, if you look at what "wall street journal," what nbc news is saying, the evidence points to it not being from israel, but most likely from islamic jihad. we don't expect hamas to be honest about anything. we don't expect partisans to be honest about anything. we do expect, though, news agencies to be careful and not immediately just -- >> slow down. >> -- throw up the claims of terror organizations. slow down. get the story right. >> let's bring in nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel, live from jerusalem. richard, what's the latest there? >> reporter: so it seems that

israeli air strikes have intensified after president biden left israel. things slowed down while he was on the ground in israel. they have resumed now. people in gaza are still waiting for the aid shipments. there was an agreement brokered by the president to allow 20 trucks to come in with supplies. so far, they are still on the egyptian side. people we speak to in gaza describe a terrible humanitarian crisis. they say the biggest thing they need is fuel. a gallon of gas on the market can cost $35. this was a poor region to begin with, so people say without gas, they can't get in their cars, can't leave the north to go to the south, which is something that israel has instructed palestinians to do, and the few independent journalists -- you talked about the media -- there are some reporters who work for nbc news and other organizations that are in there, trying to verify information, are soon not going to be able to have fuel for their generators in order to get out to charge their phones

and get pictures and images out. it is an increasingly difficult situation, and we will see if that convoy comes in. but we are also told from sources in egypt that the con convoy doesn't include fuel. water is another problem, as people are drinking well water, which is for agriculture, not human consumption. >> as you heard, nbc news is citing experts who looked at the evidence about what happened at the hospital. no one on the ground, but looking at the evidence publicly available, intelligence, as well, and saying it does appear it came from a misfired rocket from palestinian islamic jihad and not from israel. what are you hearing from your sources in the middle east, your sources on the ground there? >> reporter: hearing a consistent story. this wouldn't be the first time. a lot of the rockets built by hamas and islamic jihad, which

is another group inside gaza, smaller than hamas, much more controlled by iran. hamas does have some local support, is an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood. islamic jihad was created, more or less, to be a counterdallas counterbalance to hamas. it wouldn't be the first time the rockets misfire. once they break apart, damaged in midair, whatever happens, they crash wherever they fall. i covered a very similar story to this the last time i was in gaza for a gaza war. there was a rocket that fell in a crowded refugee camp in gaza. the people there immediately blamed israel, and then later investigations revealed it was another misfired rocket. but perception is often reality. >> yeah. >> reporter: people on the streets are angry. they're not just angry because of this explosion at the hospital. there are many other explosions that happened. there are many israeli air strikes that are killing civilians. it is not just one incident that

is causing this kind of outrage in the middle east. it is the cumulative effect of this ongoing war. there is this concern that it could only get worse, and the images will get that much more dramatic if israel goes ahead with its ground invasion at a time of its choosing. so far, no indications that that is coming tomorrow, today. we're not seeing troop movements that would indicate something that indicate. >> chief foreign correspondent richard engel, thank you very much for your reporting once again this morning. joining us now, former chief of staff at the cia and the department of defense, jeremy bash. he is an nbc news national security analyst. nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons is with us. and white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire, is with us, as well, the host of "way too early." jeremy, we'll start with you in terms of the conflicting

information on the attack as, of course, there is efforts moving forward to create safe zones for civilians. what's the latest that you are hearing? >> first of all, with respect to the intelligence picture on that hospital bombing, i thought the united states did a terrific job coming out there very quickly and saying, based on three sources of information, overhead imagery, communications intercepts, and open source data, which is analyzed through powerful algorithms in u.s. technology systems, based on those pieces of information, we assess this rocket came from islamic jihad. i think the u.s. was pretty forceful in its pushback there. i take joe's point, and i've been talking about it, as well, it was reckless. it was irresponsible to let the lie get halfway around the world before the truth got its boots on. but this is an information operations war, and it is part of the battle space now, where you have to contend with lies, misinformation, and disinformation. unfortunately, too many journalists automatically

credited the gaza health ministry, which is, of course, run by hamas. this was an, i think, important alarm that should go off in everybody's mind. when hamas makes a claim, you have to take it with a pound of salt and you have to really validate it. unfortunately, as you know, there were real consequences. crowds gathered outside embassies. people could have gotten hurt, killed. the arabs missed an entire opportunity to sit down with the president of the united states over what turned out to be misinformation and a lie. >> certainly, we'll dive into more of that later on in the show. the cancellation of the summit in jordan really a setback for what the white house hoped to do on this trip, as though they were pleased with the message they were able to deliver with israel. keir, let's take a step back here. the backdrop to what we're seeing in the middle east, president putin of russia is in china meeting with xi jinping. his foreign minister, sergey lavrov, meeting with kim jong-un

of north korea. we know the role they're playing, supporting some of the violence in the middle east. there is, it seems, a new world order being shaped, and that's before the ramifications in the middle east after israel does go into gaza and we expect violence to follow. give us your take. >> that's what president putin and president xi are hoping for. to pick up on the conversation you guys are having, because i think there is another aspect to this that is important, and that is this. it's not just in the u.s. that information and media is splintered. that's happened around the world. it's not just in the u.s. that there is opinion opposed to just reporting. that's happened around the world. the impact of that is -- the impact of that is the hospital bombing was being talked about in the arab world on arab media within minutes of it happening. it didn't need hamas to encourage the conclusions. frankly, talking to arab sources

yesterday, it was like the lid coming off a pressure cooker. i think, to some extent, we just didn't notice that mbs and saudi arabia kept antony blinken waiting. we haven't necessarily understood enough the level of anger in the arab world. the jordanians, i think, frankly, had no choice but to call that summit off, and i'll tell you why. because arab leaders are very, very worried about the arab street, about people coming out into the streets from cairo to beirut, because many of them remember the arab spring. it was interesting to hear the jordanian foreign minister yesterday talking to lester holt. when he was asked, "do you really think this was an israeli missile that hit the hospital?" he says, he said, "that's what people think." he didn't answer directly, he said, "that's what people think." that is extremely revealing. he then said, "it'll take a lot for them to believe it's not the

israelis." that was an extremely revealing answer because it told you, for the jordanians, the egyptians, the lebanese, that all incredibly worried about what arabs on the street think. just going back to your question about, you know, president xi and president putin, i mean, clearly, the russians know the middle east very, very well. the chinese less so. what they're doing is they're sitting on the sidelines, signaling their support for the palestinians, not completely backing away from israel, but very clearly signaling their support, calling for a cease-fire. why are they doing that? well, you know, clearly, they have security and economic interests in the arab world. just look at russia's relationship with opec. on top of that, they also see an opportunity to double down on the message they've been trying to, you know, kind of spread around the world over these years, which is the decline of the u.s. just as they've tried to claim -- putin just yesterday trying to claim that the u.s.

giving weapons to ukraine will prolong the agony in ukraine. that's what putin said. the same kind of message with israel. you know, the u.s. supporting israel just makes everything worse. so i think we really do have to be -- have to understand what russia and china are trying to do here, even if, plainly, we don't agree with it. >> wow. >> you know, willie, i want to circle back to jordan and king abdullah, who gets $1 billion a year from the united states, who knows the truth, and despite the fact king abdullah knows the truth, he calls this a war crime, a shame on humanity, blames it on israel. i mean, i understand he's dealing with misinformation that has been spread across the middle east. i understand that's been the story for years, the misinformation that's spread across the middle east. at the same time, a guy getting $1 billion a year from us, the united states, jordan, spreading

that lie? it's one thing to say it's a tragedy and we need to put off the summit, but to deliberately lie and spread that lie around his own country, my god, if that's an ally, i'd hate to see an enemy. >> you're right. give $1 billion of aid in jordan. the saudis jumped out on the story it was israel. it was israel that attacked the hospital. because, as keir points out, they're speaking to the street, to their people, and it worked, by the way. people were in the streets threatening embassies across the middle east of the united states and israel. jonathan lemire, the president's visit yesterday, symbolic on the one hand, but also did achieve the opening, or hopefully the opening for the rafah crossing to get humanitarian aid in from egypt to gaza to help some of the civilians there. how does the white house feel the trip went? how important was it for him to be there? >> a partial success. they got word of the

cancellation of the jordan summit, because of the hospital explosion, literally as the presidentialmotorcade was pulling up to air force one at joint base andrews. there wa a quick conversation of whether or not to cancel the trip entirely, and the answer was no. they felt it was important to g to israel to show support, but they understood that meant the only image coming out of this trip would be biden hugging bibi netanyahu, the prime minister of israel, and how it would be per perceived. it shows even the limits for the president of the united states heading overseas. there will be ramifications in the wake of this false report about the hospital and then the upcoming gaza incursion by israeli forces. the other part of the trip they to think was a success. president biden came back on the plane, spoke to reporters, talking about the aid corridor that is going to be opened up in egypt. the trucks haven't rolled yet, so we have to make sure egypt follows through, but the u.s. is

pleased with that. the president spoke with first responders yesterday, other israeli citizens, was able to display empathy to those there, standing side by side. joe and mika, an important message also delivered to israel, when he invokes september 11th and says the united states understands the need for vengeance. when we were hurt, we fought back, too, but he acknowledged we made mistakes along the way. he urge d israel not to do that. we'll hear from the president in a primetime address this evening. >> jeremy, again, let's try to keep this in context and where we are right now. you talk about september 11th. right now, if the king of jordan decides he wants to lie to his people and lie to the world, there's nothing we can do about that. if the saudis decide they want to lie to their people and lie

to the world, while, by the way, hating palestinians and not wanting palestinians in their own country, we can't do anything about that. but we're at the stage, sort of the september 12th stage right now. for the president of the united states to go over to israel, to talk to the leader and say, "we understand your anger. we ask that you control your response and don't act on vengeance but act on national security," and then to meet people who are impacted by this great tragedy, working for a gaza corridor at the same time and humanitarian relief. i would call that a success. if arab leaders want to lie to their people, well, that's -- you know, they're running the countries. they do what they want to do. we can't judge president biden on whether they want to live in

the lie instead of actually talking about moving towards a framework of peace. so i say, all in all, it was a hell of a great trip for president biden. what do you think? >> it was a tremendous, i would argue, a towering example of american global leadership and how we can have an impact. the president landed in a war zone, standing shoulder to shoulder with an ally, on the wednesday after one of the most atrocious attacks in that country's history, even as the rockets are still flying into israel and even as the idf prepares for a very complicated mission to go after the leadership of hamas. israel goes to the war -- excuse me, joe biden goes to the war cabinet in israel. he sits down. they talk about the operations in gaza. they talk about the region, deterring iran. they talk about hezbollah. he goes out with a strong message of reassurance. he says, by the way, don't over crank this because we did ceg iraq, other examples, and we

have lessons we can share with you, but we understand the pain you're feeling and understand you have to go decimate the leadership of hamas in the same way we had to go decimate the leadership of al qaeda. we weretected the country. there were no more homeland attacks for the better part of 20 years. israel has to assure this same or similar security paradigm for their country going forward. >> right. i'll add to that. i mean, i think -- i'm not even going to give oxygen to those who talk about biden's ability to function. you saw him once again -- this is not the first time -- on the world stage, going to a hot war zone or going to a nato meeting or, in this case, going to israel in the midst of a hospital explosion, a summit that broke down, and, in real time, president biden and his secretary of state figure out how to orchestrate meetings with benjamin netanyahu, the war cabinet, first responders, victims, and nail it every step

of the way, opening the door to conversations with egypt about civilians. and the presence there, keir simmons, the actual showing up and having the wisdom and the leadership and the relationships, it does help in the long game. >> just like he did in ukraine, right? >> exactly. it helps in the long game in terms of hopefully bringing arab nations together to this. but this is not something a neophyte could have done or someone who is bumbling. >> i would say this, mika, just in terms of the context, we are dealing with an incredibly challenging world right now. not just the u.n. security vote yesterday, where france voted for the resolution and the u.s. blocked the resolution. a senior western diplomat talking to me after the vote. it's the warning of a rift with the global south, with the developing world. not just the fact that we saw the u.n. secretary general

calling for a cease-fire yesterday while speaking at a conference in china. but in all kinds of ways, including, honestly, that we do need to keep talking about the crisis of conflict in the arab world, about u.s. leadership that they mentioned the past week or so have caused. just to finally say, look, russia and china's narrative is that various events in the past 20 years, gulf war, september 11th, the 2008 financial crisis, the chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan, are all part of the decline of the u.s. they will be -- when president xi and president putin met yesterday, they will be saying to each other, "here we do. what's happening in the middle east, another event, another marker in the decline of the u.s." it's for the u.s. president to show that's not the case. >> all right. >> yeah. >> nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense, jeremy bash.

thank you, both, very much for your analysis and insight this morning. >> i just have to say, willie, and i understand, completely agree with keir's reporting on what china, what russia, and what iran are trying to do. when they say that, when they try to get that word out. you know, they underestimated the united states and nato's response in ukraine. you look at their economies that have collapsed. you look at russia, whose economy is smaller than texas. you look at china, who is stagnating while the united states have a $25 trilliongdp. look at military budgets. you can look at every other measure, measurement, and the united states is doing well. but there is no doubt, they are lining up, china, russia, iran,

north korea, as axis powers that consider the united states their sworn enemy. that is going to be a challenge for this president. it'll be a challenge for this congress, if they ever get their act together and actually start working again instead of fighting each other in the republican conference room. and it's a challenge for america. it's a challenge we're up to. again, as warren buffett said after the crash in 2008, only a fool would vote against -- or would bet against the united states of america. it was true then, true now. >> it is. those countries made a very explicit show of the point you're making yesterday. you have president putin meeting with president xi on the one hand, and lavrov meeting and shaking hands with kim jong-un, the leader of north korea of all people, and saying what a close friend and ally they are. putting that on display while the president of the united states is in israel.

it's been said many times that putin likes what he is seeing in the mideast as it relates to the united states, because he believes our support for israel may, in some way, distract from our support for ukraine, and he can pick up momentum in a war that his country has flailed for a year and a half now. up next, we'll get the very latest from capitol hill, where republicans can't even pick a speaker, let alone tackle the looming deadline to keep the.gov from shutting down. >> or for supporting ukraine and israel. plus, donald trump's outburst inside a new york city courtroom. why the judge in the case told the ex-president to zip it. we're back in a moment. hungry pets, itchy pets, scratchy pets, and most importantly, your pet. every day great prices and 35% off your first authorship order. right to your door. download the chewy app.

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the reality is, is that none of his behavior, which can best be described as performative, will change what's happening in the courtroom. we are here to enforce the law, and nothing will change that. no attacks, no words. i will not give in. i will not give up. i will only serve justice and enforce the law. thank you. >> all right. >> you know who that is. >> someone who is very confident. >> somebody smiling. that's somebody holding four aces while the person across the table is screaming and yelling. >> she went on to say, it's quite clear in the evidence that he overvalued his properties. >> well, i say he's holding four aces because she's holding years and years and years of lies. >> this is part of the civil fraud trial against donald trump. letitia james. inside the courtroom, the judge reportedly had to tell trump to quiet down. prosecutors say the former president's comments were heard

across the courtroom during a witness' testimony. according to the ap, the judge asked the entire room to keep their voices down, quote, particularly if it is meant to influence the testimony. trump returned to the courtroom this week after attending the first days of the fraud trial against him earlier this month. >> you know, willie, it is so sad. it is so sad what they are doing. poor donald trump says he is being forced. >> he is being dragged in there. >> to attend this trial. he's forced because they don't want him to go to iowa. it is so unfair, he says. take a look and see. >> can't campaign. >> see if you can find the inconsistency. >> i have to be here instead of iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, lots of other great places. they want me to be here. >> will you be here tomorrow? >> probably not. i have a very big professional

golf tournament at doral, so probably not. >> perfection. >> willie. >> love it. >> oh, my god. >> they're keeping me from the good people of iowa. >> four minutes. >> they're keeping me. >> the brain can't hold information. >> they're keeping me from the good people of south carolina. i mean, he almost did a howard dean rundown of the states that they were keeping him from. it's so -- the injustice of it all. how could they be doing -- then the reporters ask him a couple minutes later, "you going to be tomorrow here, too, since they're holding you here?" "oh, no, i have a golf tournament in doral. i'm going to the country club." >> you couldn't -- >> you can't make it up. >> yeah. >> his mind, he can't even remember who he is running against. he thinks he is running against barack obama. how do you expect him, four minutes later, to remember the lie he told four minutes ago? >> i mean, it is perfection. you couldn't -- sometimes things are bleak, i get it, but sometimes you just have to laugh. i mean, it's absolute

perfection. there is, joe, the famous waiver in the new york court system. you have to be here as a defendant unless there is a tournament at tdoral. so many defendants invoked that over the years, so he is taking advantage of it. >> carveout. >> i think even chicago, al capone said he had to go to the chicago invitational instead of, jonathan lemire, going to his court date. but, no, this is, again, you talk about the lies, the transparent lies that are fed by hamas to the arab street. you look at the transparent lies here. thkindergarten level. >> there he is. >> hey. >> i knew we'd get him sooner or later. this lie is being spread by trump allies in the media. oh, they're doing this to keep him away from the campaign. no, they're not.

you don't have to be there. he wasn't there for his trial where the judge saidraped a woman. he's at this trial because he knows he's busted. yet, he's so held down there, that when his country club in miami has a golf tournament, he goes, "no, no, i'm going to the golf tournament." >> they will not keep him from the good people at doral, which i'm reminded he proposed as a site for the g-7 while he was in office because it was so conveniently located next to the miami international airport. >> oh, my god. >> the only consistency here from trump showing up to the courthouse this day instead of other ones, it's about his money. the golf tournament is one of the sources of income he currently has. he's inflated his assets. he's already been found guilty of that in a civil sense. now, we're in the penalty phase of this trial. you know, he is going to probably take a real beating and

have a lot of money he has to pay away, you know, so, therefore, golf of tournaments, liv or otherwise at doral, bedminster, some of the others, are one of the few things he can make money from. there is a chance he'll lose his ability to make money, practice any businesses in new york state. doral is in florida is, therefore, that's another reason he can actually raise a few bucks along the way. >> of course, the question, mika, that observers of donald trump's business over the past several decades, the question they're asking is, regardless of what his valuation, what he says his valuations are, which are, of course, to be found inflated because he's been found guilty of fraud in new york state, the question is, if he is fined the $250 million that he could be fined, there's a real question on whether he has that money to even pay them back.

>> yeah. that would be -- that would be interesting if he did. let's put it that way. coming up, for the third day in a row, house republicans will try to pick a new speaker. congressman jim jordan is hoping the vote goes his way this time. >> but here's the deal, though, okay? >> yeah. >> he keeps losing votes. >> i know. >> so, like, he did worse -- >> yesterday, he did worse than the first time. >> -- the second time than the first time. >> yeah. >> is he going to try this again? >> so -- >> he may end up with his vote and a hound dog's vote outside the chamber if he keeps this up long enough. >> doesn't seem like everybody wants to give support to the election denier. anyhow -- >> has he claimed this election is rigged, too? >> that'll be interesting if that happens. we'll have new reporting on where things stand on capitol hill. and we'll examine another option gaining bipartisan appeal. "morning joe" will be right back. >> touching your nose?

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unable to secure the speakership. >> zero, none. >> i ache for him. president biden's sarcastic reaction when asked about jim jordan's bid for the speakership. congressman jordan lost his second vote in pursuant of the speaker's gavel, receiving 199 votes yesterday, the first time in nearly a century that a majority party's nominee for

speaker has failed to get 200 votes. >> republicans keep making history. >> yeah. the ohio congressman is vowing to continue his bid, telling reporters there will be another vote today. nancy pelosi was actually complimentary of the republican party for not electing an election denier and someone who is directly connected to january 6th. she thought it was a good day for democracy. >> it was a good day. you know, willie, again, he keeps -- he says he is going to keep voting. he keeps losing votes. like i said, maybe, you know, ends up with a handful of votes, hound dog barking for him outside the chamber, but nobody else speak out for him. what's interesting is you have a number of different factions that are now voting against him. one thing that i particularly am taking note of, some institutionalists, people i served with. kay granger who runs the

appropriations committee and, of course, wants an orderly process. like, you know, we haven't really seen in congress, you know, in a very long time. it sounds very boring, regular order. if you're the appropriations chairwoman, you want to see bills get through there in a way that funds the government, that funds the agencies, that do the things that congress is expected to do. when you have an institutionalist like kay granger voting against him, and other institutionalists, that's her saying, i don't think he's up to it. you know, you kicked out kevin mccarthy for this? it's interesting. i expect the numbers will probably grow. >> yeah, that's what it sounds like. if they go to another vote today, which it sounds like they'll do so, he'll lose more votes. more republicans on the record are saying they'll vote against him. imagine that, you have institutionalists who want to get budgets through and get

things done. >> radical. >> another thing that doesn't work is threatening and bullying republican members whose votes you want. some publicly said, jim jordan and your allies, stop calling and threatening up. stop having fox news hosts and producers calling and threatening us, saying you're taking names. some members said there have been security threats to their families because they haven't committed to vote for jim jordan. that doesn't work either. let's bring in congressman investigations reporter for "the washington post," jackie alemany. jackie, good morning again on this. we're going to get another round of vote today, we think. how is it going to go for jim jordan? >> good morning, willie. i have to say, joe is spot on. you are seeing the institutionalists bite back, giving these hard line republicans a taste of their own medicine. jim jordan has said he is going to hold another vote today. he told us that yesterday after we were anticipaing a third vote yesterday afternoon. he has been unable to get his numbers down and lock in and

flip some more yeses. we heard from a range of members across the board. people, again, in the new york delegation, these institutionalists, appropria appropriators, a range of people who are not necessarily united by any straightforward thing, but who sort of organically developed and gravitated towards this building coalition against jim jordan, who have said that, one, they want to get back to regular order and they don't think this is the way, and then, two, they're against the culture jim jordan fostered and helped facilitate during his time in congress, that has now taken over the gop. this knife fighting, toxic, win at all costs approach that has essentially destroyed any sort of hopes of bipartisanship in the house of representatives. you have members who, you know, have said, as you just noted, that they've gotten threats against their staff, their

wives, themselves, and that jordan is squarely responsible for this. that is what john rutherford and steve womack told us yesterday. they called the opposition against jordan profound. meaning, you know, unlike those 20 members who were against kevin mccarthy at the outset in january when he went through 17 -- 14 rounds of trying to get elected speaker, they all wanted something. this time around, these members don't want anything. they just don't want jim jordan. we're going to see what happens here. there is some truth to this idea that jim jordan doesn't necessarily want to go on the floor and lose again, which is what is likely going to happen. we haven't heard of any significant people flipping in jordan's favor right now. we're all sort of waiting on a potentially interim speaker, mchenry. for that process to get started, you're going to have to see jordan throw up the white flag. >> jackie, as jordan wrestles with this opposition, walk us

through what happens next, whether he pulls his name, or let's say he goes to the floor and takes a vote. how many votes are they going to give him? will we see a mccarthy style 15-round extravaganza? at what point is there a push to go in another direction? you mentioned mchenry. seems to be momentum there. how could that play out? >> there are a number of different ways this could play out. right now, it does seem, though, the ball is in jim jordan's court. he does, at the end of the day, have, you know, not a simple majority but a majority of support, and he is still trying to work over people, despite this entrenched opposition. members are sort of waiting on him to make the call of what's going to happen next, whether that's pulling down, you know, the race all together, saying he's out, he's, you know, giving up, he realizes he is not going to be speaker, or it is deferring things to this resolution to david joyce

introduced yesterday, to elect, temporarily, speaker mchenry into the position for about roughly 80 days to january, and kicking the can down the road, to then running for speaker again, trying to, you know, split the difference, make up some votes in the course of the next few months, and jumping back in in january once mchenry's interim term expires. we spoke with various members yesterday on the house floor as they were in and out of the chamber during this second vote, and we heard from some democrats who have said that they've been in touch with david joyce and some of these republicans who have been scheming and coalescing around this mchenry resolution, who have said that they're in. they want to get back to work. there are some, obviously, very urgent matters at hand. the world is on fire, and they're struggling to elect a speaker. what they'd need to see for them to actually take that next step to vocally supporting the mchenry resolution is, again,

for jim jordan to bail and move forward in some sort of way at the lead of republicans. >> all right. "the washington post"'s jackie alemany, as always, thank you so much. >> thank you, jackie. >> thanks, guys. willie, if you were a democrat, you could not create, you could not write a script to show how maga republicans are less suited to govern this country than, well, what donald trump did for four years, but also what they're doing in the house and how ineffective they are legislatively. you have the middle east blowing up. you have central europe blowing up. you have the government possibly shutting down. agencies that americans depend upon not being opened up. i mean, the clock is ticking,

and, again, it bears repeating to say, this is the first time, i believe ever, that you've had the speakership vacant because a political party can't even elect a speaker. the crazy thing here is, they've been held hostage by six, seven, eight members. that's why we're here. six, seven, 4% of the caucus. i will say it again. i understand we live in a partisan age, but, damit, get some democrats to work with you, do a deal, and roll over the eight people. even if you put mccarthy back in there, find democrats, do a deal, roll over these people, and send the message to everybody in the house, that this is never going to happen again. the people's house cannot be held hostage politically by 4%

of the caucus. >> the point has been made before, and it bears repeating, that this group of seven or eight that you're talking about prefer it this way, which is that they are the insurgents. they get to hold hostage their own party and may, in fact, be in the opposition, ultimately, because they can fight against everything and say no to everything and get cable news hits and tiktok likes and the rest of the things they seek. it is a better question for you, joe, as someone who has actually been there, when things worked more smoothly than they are right now. why cannot this vast majority of republicans steam roll the seven or eight holding the whole thing hostage? >> again, things have gotten so partisan. i remember being in congress and always, you know -- i'd walk in. i was one of the most conservative members, but i'd always walk in and go sit with the democrats. i knew what the republicans thought. i know what they believed.

i sat with people from different areas, from different backgrounds, different points of view, and became friends. even doing that, sometimes at the beginning, i would walk back over and sit with the republicans. they'd go, "what'd they say?" like they're in another land. that was back when, even through impeachment, government shutdowns and all the other things, we still got things done. the republican congress and bill clinton got a lot of things done over those six years that we were working together. balanced the budget four times. four times, four years in a row, for the first time in a century. you know, in 100 years, hadn't happened since the 1920s. got welfare reform done. got tax reform, regulatory reform done. we did it all together. that's why i find it -- willie, it's just -- i can't comprehend

how grown-ups can't work together and keep the people's house open. how republicans can't say, listen, we know it's tough around here. we know it is really partisan around here. we're going to do a deal with democrats to keep this house open. if you guys don't support, unanimously, our speaker. of course, they can't get angry, working with the democrats, because, after all, these six, seven, eight holdouts, they were the ones voting with democrats that threw congress into chaos. so i just don't understand it, willie. again, i don't know how grown-ups that get elected to legislate can't do a deal. i'm hoping they'll do a deal, even this temporary deal around patrick mchenry, where you let him be the speaker through the end of the year.

you work with kay granger, the appropriations committee, get some appropriation bills through there so it is not some huge, massive omnibus package the end of the year where nobody knows what is in there, and you have 24 hours to read thousands and thousands of pages. they need to do it that way. again, every day that goes by with israel, with ukraine, with our own government in chaos, i'm just shocked that they don't figure out a way out of this. >> yeah. john, there doesn't seem to be a ton of urgency from the people holding it up. jim jordan is going to lose votes today if it goes to a vote, which leaves open, really, the possibility that joe is talking about, that patrick mchenry holds the job in a temporary way until the end of the year, then we're back here again in january, among republicans, trying to find somebody who can get 217 votes. >> remarkable, even some of the mainstream republicans, when pressed about, hey, are you going to get this done soon because of the world being on

fire? they're, like, no, we have to go through the process, we have to do this for our conference. that's so out of step with where the rest of the world is right now. some democrats signalled they'd be on board with a temporary solution. mchenry seems palatable to them. you know, the republicans have to choose to go down that path. governing comes first. politics here, too. look at the contrast. house gop completely in chaos. the president of the united states, a democrat, traveling to a war zone, addressing from the oval office. chaos versus competency. >> wow. coming up, speaking of that, where is israel's war against hamas terrorists headed next? another live report from israel and expert military analysis. plus, deputy national security adviser jon finer will be here with a preview of president biden's speech tonight. also ahead, we'll talk to republican senator bill cassidy about his trip to israel earlier this week and where congress stands on sending aid to

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when someone is going through something that is beyond their comprehension, that they'd ever thought they'd have to go through, if they see someone who they think understands or maybe has been through something, not the same, but similar, it gives them a sense of hope. people are looking for just something to gap, something that givers them some sense of hope. if i can do a little bit of that, you know, it's worth doing it. it was done for me. >> president biden giving rare, on-camera comments to reporters while on air force one, responding to a question about

survivors and first responders in israel. we showed part of it live on "morning joe" yesterday. >> moving. welcome back to "morning joe." it is thursday, october 19th. president joe biden is back in washington a day after his historic trip to israel amid the country's hot war against the terror group hamas. in tel-aviv, biden said he plans to ask congress for a unprecedented support package for israel's defense later this week. more detail will be likely revealed tonight in a primetime address about the wars in the middle east and ukraine, following a meeting with israeli prime minister netanyahu. the president announced israel agreed to start allowing humanitarian aid to enter gaza from egypt. that's in addition to the $100 million in new u.s. funding and aid for both gaza and the west bank. willie. >> let's go live to foreign correspondent raf sanchez, who

is in ashdod, israel. there is fighting going on in the north of israel. what are you hearing? >> reporter: willie, good morning. that's right. over the last couple hours, israeli forces have been exchanging fire with militants in southern lebanon. israelis say they were attacked with a series of anti-tank missiles and they have been firing back with artillery. it is not clear if these forces belong to hezbollah, the powerful, iranian-backed lebanese military group that dominates the south of lebanon, or if these are smaller factions that operate in the same area. th confrontations along the northern border are becoming mo regular, and they are raising fears that the fighting, the war that started in gaza, could spread to the north. that is a concern the united states expressed. president biden yesterday when he was here in israel reiterated not trying to take advantage of the situation in gaza. though he didn't make it

explicit, he had, clearly, iran and iran's proxy groups like hezbollah in mind. that is the reason, guys, there are two american carrier strike groups in the eastern mediterranean now, to act as a show of deterrence to these iranian-backed groups. now, there is also reports of ongoing fighting in the west bank. gun battles between local palestinian fighters and israeli forces. it is just a sign that this is a region that is really on the edge right now. it has been relatively quiet here in the south of israel in terms of rocket fire. israeli air strikes continue inside gaza itself. the israeli military is saying it is still possible that there are hamas terrorists who crossed the border on october 7th, who remain potentially at large in the south of israel. people in this region are still, even after all this time, not sleeping comfortably. guys? >> terrifying to contemplate, given what they carried out less

than two weeks ago there in the kibbutz in southern israel. raf, i want to ask about the opening that isn't open yet but was promised, of the rafah crossing from egypt to southern gaza, a deal president biden helped to broker with egyptian president sisi. the trucks waiting on the egyptian side of the border, will they be able to bring humanitarian aid into southern gaza? >> reporter: that is the hope, willie. president biden sat in on a meeting of israel's war cabinet yesterday, which is extremely unusual. for the president of the united states to be basically taking part in the decision-making body of the israeli war cabinet. he said he asked the israelis to agree to allow aid to flow from egypt, through the rafah crossing, into southern gaza. as you said, israel has said they will respect that. they are prepared to allow for what they are calling a humanitarian zone in southern

gaza. but the crossing, as far as we know, remains closed. that aid remains piled up on the egyptian side of the border. those palestinian-americans and other foreign nationals still unable to get out through the rafah crossing. as we have been saying now for almost two weeks, the situation at rafah is a fiendishly complicated puzzle. it is one thing for the egyptians to agree, israel to agree, but you need hamas to agree, also. we've had false alarms, where there was american optimism the rafah crossing was about to open and the gates remain shut. the humanitarian situation inside gaza is absolutely dire. i spoke earlier to a young mother. she has a now 2-year-old baby. this baby turned 2 in the first week of the war. she says she really does not know how she can keep her child safe right now. >> nbc news foreign

correspondent raf sanchez, thanks so much. mika. the u.s. assessed the deadly blast at a gaza hospital tuesday was most likely caused by a misfired rocket from palestinian islamic jihad, according to two u.s. officialsnd a congressional staffer. nbc news consulted four military and munitions experts, and one agreed with the u.s. assessment which president biden hinted at during his trip to israel. while three agreed the blast was not from israel. theexperts were parts of pictures from the incident and its aftermath that have been geolocated and analyzed by nbc news. some said the marks lefty the projectile aren't consistent with the weaponry israel has used recently. hamas, meanwhile, blamed an israeli air strike for the explosion without citing any evidence, a claim widely

expected across the middle east. as "the wall street journal" editorial board points out, hamas may still call this a success. its propaganda held up long enough to set the middle east ablaze. >> let's bring in former supreme allied commander of nato, four star retired admiral james stavridis. chief analyst for nbc news. also white house reporter for "the washington post," tyler pager. he traveled with president biden yesterday to israel. admiral, let's begin with you. militarily, looking at this situation, what is israel's best step forward as they try to uproot hamas with the threats coming from the north with hezbollah, also another iranian-backed terror group? >> i'll quote raf sanchez. it is a fiendishly difficult problem, and the challenges are

many. let me start with things the israelis undoubtedly discussed mt. war cabinet, probably after president biden departed. number one, satellites. getting more information and intelligence from the united states. number two, cyber. cybersecurity for their own forces. and offensive cyber, to degrade the opposition. i'll include in that, joe, information warfare. they're going to have to continue to press, again, what looks increasingly like a false story told by the jihadists and clearly by hamas in this hospital. cyber and information. number three, maritime. they're going to bring in their version of navy s.e.a.l.s. they're very capable. it is an open flank. they'll bring them into gaza and use them to develop targeting, hopefully find information on

hostages. from the air, you're going to continue to see a precision-guided campaign. i think israel has been extremely responsible, picking target by target, looking at collateral damage assessments. again, i, for one, do not believe this hospital story that hamas has bruted about. i think israel has moved responsibly. you'll see that continue. finally, joe, the ground offensive, i think it's coming. you can make a debate about a small percentage possibility of a diplomacy, a cease-fire. i hi the israe think the israel in. the important thing that's not being discussed at this point is, not only going in and taking out hamas and the ammunition and the fuel and the c2 and all of that, they will do that, but i think the other thing they'll want to do is take about a mile of territory and flatten that.

obviously, people will be excused. get rid of it, and create a big, open buffer zone with a massive, massive barricade. watch for that in the weeks ahead, as well. >> admiral, if you were in charge of israel's military response or if you were in charge of israel, if you were israel's -- advising israel's prime minister or its coalition cabinet, they asked you the question, "do we have any option but to do more than degrade hamas, but to remove hamas from gaza?" i'm just talking militarily. what would your response be? >> my response would be at least initially, we are going to have to go in and take out the infrastructure, the tunnels, 300 miles of them, the big command and control pieces, their

servers, their ability to move logistics around. all of that is going to have to be pulled out, rooted out in a very deliberate way. then the question, i think, becomes a political and a diplomatic one. you don't want to, if you will, govern gaza. you need to be working very hard to bring in a partner, be it the palestinian state, a pan arab group, the united nations, that can set up a governance system that you can work with. militarily, i don't see how you can turn to the public of israel and say, "you are safe. this will never happen again," without physically going in and taking care of business in gaza. >> admiral, good morning. want to go back briefly to the hospital explosion because it is so important. >> sure. >> it has set off what we've seen in the streets across the middle east and the arab world yesterday.

>> sure. >> based on what you know, and, again, you don't have direct access to the intelligence, but what we've seen from the national security council, what we've seen from experts, independent experts that nbc news has called to, if that were an israeli missile, what would that site look like? from what we've seen, there's no crater. doesn't look like the hospital itself was hit. a parking lot adjacent was hit. >> correct. >> if that were an israeli missile, what would that scene look like? >> first of all, by percentage, military percentage of capability, those precision-guided weapons that israel are using, 95% chance if they had wanted to take the hospital down, that building would no longer be standing. that's point number one. the actual craters there are inconsistent with air-dropped, both missiles and bombs. there would be a more refined crater, and it would be

circular. you would see real depth to it. none of that is extent. i was in the pentagon on 9/11 when a fully fueled jet hit the side of the pentagon. that's what it would look like. that's what you saw here. this was a fueled rocket, my belief, that hit that parking lot. thank god it didn't actually hit the hospital, by the way. took out the cars. i'm waiting for the evidence, by the way, on these hundreds of people that were killed. i'd like to actually see some visual evidence of that. willie, to conclude, when you couple that with the electronic evidence that's been provided, the cell phone intercepts of the hamas and palestinian group talking to each other about, "that's one of ours." finally, you're not seeing the very highly classified u.s. satellite imagery that i suspect backs this up, as well.

when i put all that together, it seems to me the evidence is very, very, very strong that this was a hamas rocket, not an israeli precision-guided strike. >> tyler, you traveled with the president yesterday. he wasn't able to make his planned stop in jordan for a summit there because it was canceled in the wake of that explosion, which initially the arab world blamed on israel. he did, however, head to tel-aviv and stand shoulder to shoulder with american allies there. later, came back on air force one and talked about it. give us a sense, if you will, how the president and those around him feel that yesterday went. >> yeah, the president came back, as you said, and spoke to us for about 15 minutes while we were refueling at the air base in germany on the way back from israel. he felt he had accomplished what he'd set out to do. there was many goals for this trip, and some of them were not able to come to fruition given the canceled meeting in jordan.

in israel, biden had a multi-prong approach. one was to show israel that the u.s. was going to stand with it and support it as it defends itself moving forward. another was to discuss humanitarian assistance and figure out ways to get aid into gaza. then a third was trying to make progress on the hostages, particularly the american citizens that are being held hostage in gaza. on the first two, i think he had a lot to show for that. obviously, standing shoulder to shoulder with netanyahu, but also participating in the war cabinet. as he left israel, announcing additional aid, you know, in the form of a bunch of requests coming later this week, as well as this additional money for palestinians in the west bank and gaza. then when he came back on the plane, announcing this breakthrough with egypt, he had a call with president sisi on

the flight from israel to germany, and was able to announce that that gate would open up and allow humanitarian aid trucks to come through. >> all right. we want to pause here. we are joined right now by the white house principal deputy national security adviser jon finer. thanks for being on. what can we expect to hear from the president tonight? >> thanks for having me. i think you'll hear tonight the president describe this perilous moment that we are in globally when it comes to our national security, when it comes to international stability, highlighting, in particular, obviously, the ongoing brutal conflict in ukraine, with the united states standing shoulder to should we are a number of our allies in support of the ukrainians, who have been invaded, obviously, by their neighbor in a flagrant violation of international law. he will also speak more to the conflict that is raging now in gaza and to the horrific terrorist attack that our ally, israel, has suffered.

at the visit yesterday, highlighting the message of solidarity. this will be very much a message to the american people. how those conflicts connect to our lives back here. how support from the american people and the congress, frankly, is essential to maintaining this national leadership the united states is showing, to steer these conflicts in the best possible direction. >> the president also announced $100 million in aid to gaza, in addition to the support for israel, to gaza and citizens who are suffering right now. a humanitarian crisis. are you confident as those trucks mass at the border there that we've been talking about this morning in rafah, are you confident that humanitarian aid, that's a lot of taxpayer money, will get to the right people and will not be intercepted by hamas, as so much aid is? >> we believe those trucks will get into gaza over the course of the next day or so. the president has also been clear, though, if we see that

aid being misappropriated, being taken by hamas for its own purposes, that that will affect the continued distribution of assistance. so he sent a strong message that this aid needs to get to the palestinian people in gaza, to civilians in gaza, that this is not some sort of support program for fighters. we'll see how that unfolds. that was a major focus of the president's visit to israel and the diplomacy he did by phone by president sisi and others in the region yesterday. >> white house principal deputy national security adviser jon finer, thank you very much. we'll be watching the president tonight. retired four-star general james stavridis and "the washington post"'s tyler pager, thank you, both, as well. ahead, senator bill cassidy is our guest. he visited israel earlier this week on a bipartisan trip. we'll talk to him about the conflict and the aid package president biden announced yesterday. plus, a conversation on elite universities and the

response to the terror attacks from student protests to the statements from university presidents. there's been a lot of criticism going around. we'll discuss all of it straight ahead on "morning joe."

beautiful sunrise as we welcome you back at 23 past the hour. there are growing tensions this morning between se top universities and their longtime major donors. earlier this week, former u.s. ambassador jon huntsman accused his alma mater, the university of pennsylvania, of anti-semitism over the school's response to the hamas a on israel and for hosting a recent event that included speakers with a history of making anti-semitic remarks. the huntsman family donated hundreds of millions of dollars over the past few decades.

huntsman cut off support, telling the school its silence is anti-semitism. meanwhile, harvard university has had two major donors cut ties since the hamas attack. citing a letter that more than 30 harvard student groups initially signed that said they held israel entirely responsible for all unfolding violence in the conflict. joining us now is vice provost for global initiatives at the university of pennsylvania, dr. zeke emanuel. he is out with a new op-ed for "the new york times" entitled, "the moral deficiencies of a liberal education." also with us for the conversation, professor at princeton university, eddie glaude jr. good to have you both. >> thank you, both, for being with us. >> zeke, your college, upenn, has been at the center of this controversy. you write in "the new york times" op-ed about the deficiencies of liberal educations. students spinning catch phrases

have revealed their moral obliviously. the deeper problem is not them, it is what they're being taught or, specifically, what they're not being taught. i would just say, college students throughout time have spouted moral catch phrases. it's why they go to get a liberal education, to learn and to try to develop idealogically. the bigger problem, it seems to me, is with university officials. first of all, who are allowing hatred, just outright anti-semitism on their campuses. secondly, whether it's at upenn or harvard, can't call terrorism terrorism. >> well, let's distinguish the whole point of liberal education, what we're doing when we certify a student with a diploma, from the response of universities. i do take issue with the fact

that we at the university of pennsylvania have an anti-semitic campus. i just don't experience that. do we have people who are anti-semitic on campus and spouting anti-semitic things? yes. is the general atmosphere on campus anti-semitic? i'm very identified as jewish. i was born in israel. i don't think that's true. >> right, right. >> what i think we have -- >> zeke, let me ask you, though, why did it take the president of penn so long to call terrorism terrorism? >> i will tell you, i think that's a problem. i, for one, was urging a statement. look, at the university of pennsylvania, any elite university, about a quarter of our students, actually a little more than a quarter of our students, undergrads, graduate students, are from overseas. muslim and arab or jewish or israeli, they have deep ties to

the region, identify with the region, and were traumatized by this. we can't say this isn't a campus thing. this is very much a campus thing. we had students in israel. we had students in lebanon. we have to make a statement. i don't think there's two questions about that. i don't think it is anti-semitism that they didn't make a statement. our university president, i have to say, was pretty clear that this was immoral, unprovoked, illegal, international act. >> welcome to -- >> i think the bigger problem is when our students can't seem to understand that there is a tension in these -- the moral tensions, the values at stake, blame israel for an unprovoked attack with more jewish deaths in almost 80 years, since 1945. that's a deficiency in them, and we are responsible, to some

degree in that, because we haven't given them the educational tools. they're at a very formative stage. they're wrestling with issues. if what they latch onto are catch phrases and ideologies, that's a problem. we have to make them think deeper. what values do you hold clear? we have very clear moral truths we all hold. slavery is wrong. killing someone because of their sexual orientation is wrong. violating someone's body without their consent is wrong. those aren't equivocal. now, from that, we can build up real reasons why this kind of attack was morally horrific. there's no question. it wasn't israel that was responsible. >> we do need to get to the question of the failings of liberal education, your op-ed. i want to bring eddie in here. professor, zeke said it. we have a lot of international students in our campuses.

regardless of what people say on the left and the right, we have the greatest colleges and universities in the world. that's why people send their children to america. among those that come to america, and i had a friend in the university of alabama in the mid '80s who was palestinian. had a belt buckle on that said, "jerusalem" on it. he spoke very passionately, very respectfully, but very passionately about how he felt his people had been subjugated by israelis for a long time. two things can be true at the same time. that is something that, while i grieve for israel and i certainly grieve for jewish students, many of whom were afraid to go to class last friday, also, of course, there are many palestinian students who also have grieved over the loss of loved ones or the situation there. that said, as you and i always

say, two things can be true at one time. we should be able to call terrorism terrorism, right? what happened in israel was terrorism. university leaders should be able to do that, and provide context, but do that and say, "terrorism is terrorism. what we saw in israel was terrorism." >> well, sure. i think it's important for university leaders to make it clear that what happened in israel was horrific, was cruel, and was against international law. it was a war crime. i think it is important, also, joe, this is the tension. the moment in which one acknowledges that, and then to make the second move, and the second move is to try to give context to the broader historical situation, that's when people got upset. you know, university leaders have to be responsible for all of their students, not only those students who are grieving over the horrific acts in israel, but those students who

are palestinian, those students who are muslim. our president at princeton offered, i thought, an extraordinarily balanced and powerful condemnation of what happened and, as well, an acknowledgment of the broader context of the students on campus. it is really important. we're in this moment where you're saying, you just need to acknowledge and be -- you know, acknowledge the terroristic act and be outraged about that with no further context, that goes against, i think, what universities and colleges are trying to teach. that is, to understand the moral complexity of the situations before we act, if that makes sense. >> can i say one thing? >> it does. >> go ahead. >> at the university of pennsylvania, one of the things we did right after that is to schedule a panel that did discuss the moral complexities. going back in time to things that happened. 2006 when hamas, you know, we

had the oslo accords in 1993. in 1996 when hamas began doing bus bombings in jerusalem because it was feeling like it was being cut off. we then talked about netanyahu's rise, his open hostility for years and years against a palestinian state. that is important context. that is critical for understanding the complexities of the situation. but the immediate condemnation of an unprovoked attack directed at civilians that turns out to be a massacre, that's not a complicated moral thing. part of the most important thing to teach our students is to call out violations that aren't complicated. the balancing of multiple, different values and moral dilemma, that is complicated and we have to help them with that,

too. if they can't make the first statement, that it's morally wrong, we've lost. >> i think we all here agree that it is morally wrong. obviously, obviously, these are terror acts and it should be called out immediately. i remain disturbed by those university presidents that were not able to do that. and there will be, again, context provided in the weeks and months ahead about all of these issues, mika, which have led us to the point that we're at right now, which is a real tragedy. again, that includes all the things zeke was talking about and what eddie was talking about, as well as the fact that hamas has been a terror organization that's been running gaza as an authoritarian state since 2007, killing palestinians or crowding out palestinians who wanted a two-state solution. >> right. i mean, it's also opportunities

for learning. you know, zeke, in your op-ed for "the new york times," you write in part, quote, when a coalition of 34 student organizations at harrd can say that they hold the israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence, and students at other elite universities blame israel alone for the attac hamas carried out onsraelis on october 7th, or even praise the massacre, something is deeply strong at america's colleges and universities. those of us who are university leaders and faculty are at fault. we may graduate our students, confer degrees that certify their qualificatiss the best and brightest, but we have clearly failed to educate them. we have failed to give them the ethical foundation and moral compass to recognize the basics of humanity. we in the academy need to look more deeply at how it is possible that so many undergraduates, graduate students, law students and faculty at our nation's finest

colleges and universiies could have such moral blinders. i know zeke just mentioned, upenn had a panel discussion. i know dartmouth had one, that was sent to me a link. maybe there needs to be one university wide, across the entire system, to really look at this time for learning. >> this is something, zeke, and i'm sure eddie would agree with this, as well, this is something universities can't run away from. universities have to have a dialogue, and they have to bring people together. it has to be a respectful dialogue between all groups. zeke, there is -- we know, just reports from college campuses across the country, you have a lot of jewish students that are scared right now. when you get news of a young arab boy, arab-american being stabbed to death, i'm sure muslim students are also feeling

fear on college campuses, as well. this is something, again, it seems to me college presidents, university presidents have to confront head on, and they have to force an open dialogue. >> joe, i couldn't agree with you more. we do have a situation where we have to educate our students about the history of the region and not going back to everyone's favorite date, but actually taking the whole sweep of history and the missed opportunities on both sides. but, you know, those of us who think that's important, the history, has to inform your moral judgments, not your moral judgment in condemning an unprovoked attack on civilians, but your moral judgment on how to balance the interests of palestinians with the interests of jews in the same land. how to balance conducting a war in the civilian population where the other side has intentionally

put its infrastructure, that was just pointed out, within civilian confines. how to minimize collateral damage. these are complicated moral decisions. we have to get the simple ones right to get the complicated ones even close. we have to have our students confront their own views, realize that they have prejudices and try to overcome the prejudices. that's part of the heart of a liberal education. i totally agree with you, joe, we in the academy need to look at ourselves. we are at a critical moment where people feel as if we're not the moral leaders of the country. i grew up when you had the president of notre dame condemning the vietnam war as a moral leader of the country. before, you know, we had many presidents who were moral leaders after world war ii, after nuclear weapons. we've got to educate our students because they're going to have the power to destroy the earth. we need to change how we entrust them, how they see the world.

that's where we are today. we're going to need a comprehensive rethinking of what we're doing in higher education. >> eddie, i so value our friendship, and i value the conversations we've had for years about controversies on your campus at princeton, regarding woodrow wilson, of course, other controversies on other college campuses, and also with former presidents and american icons who were slaveholders and holding two truths at the same time about those former presidents. and we've had open discussions, especially following george floyd, all college campuses did, open discussions for years. the question is, what's the best way forward on this issue?

it's obviously fraught with many emotional pitfalls. what's the best way forward on college campuses, on universities, so we can have this open discussion and a better understanding so you don't have people shouting catch phrases instead of trying to grasp the complex, very complex real realities of situations that's haunted the world for 70, 80 years? >> remember, joe, and i cherish our friendship. remember, just as you do, remember, joe, colleges and universities are these extraordinary places where students kind of grow into their own sense of themselves. they find their political voices. they find their sense of identities. they do it almost every other year, right? so these are very interesting places where growth happens. so we're bound to hear students

say things that aren't nuanced and the like. but it's not helpful when it is overburdened by a certain set of idealogical assumptions about the way the universities should function and the way it ought not to function. what i mean by that is, at this moment, we have students being blacklisted. we have students losing their jobs. we have the accuracy and media group driving around with billboards, docsing young people who are simply expressing their opinions. that's not helpful at all. i want to say this, i think dr. emmanuel is right in terms of emphasizing the liberal arts education. we have been moving towards, you know, diminishing the importance of the liberal arts for, you know, an education that lands you with a job and everything else, but we also must remember, germany was the most educated republic in europe. look what it produced. part of what we need to understand is that when politics

enters, all sorts of passions are unleashed. one of the things that we have to insist is that a cherished, beautiful israeli baby is just as valuable, just as valuable, just as cherished as a beautiful palestinian baby. when we put these -- when we value human beings in the same way, now we can begin to have a conversation that could perhaps be productive. when certain folk believe that the asymmetry of the situation isn't acknowledged, then we find ourselves in this moment where the passions overrun everything, joe. i don't know if that followed, but i hope you got what i was trying to suggest. >> i do. and there are, right now, there are israelis that talk about the asymmetry of the situation, and there are palestinians that talk about the asymmetry of the situation. i think that -- i bring that up to say, just what you just said

is a three-hour roundtable discussion. >> we have four. >> at princeton, at upenn, at colleges across america. this is -- we were able to talk about race in this country after george floyd, and that conversation needed to be had. it still needs to be had. and this is the same thing that college campuses need to do on this issue, as well. because it's impacting so many lives here and across the world. >> yeah. we might need to continue this as we have the time, as well. dr. zeke emanuel and eddie glaude, excellent conversation. >> thank you, guys, so much. >> we appreciate it. coming up, republican senator bill cassidy is standing by. we'll talk to him about his recent trip to israel.

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my administration was in close touch with the leadership in the first moments of this attack. we're going to make sure we have -- you have what you need to protect your people, defend your nation. for decades, we've ensured israel's qualitative military end. later this week, i'm going to ask the united states congress for unprecedented support package for israel's defense. >> president biden speaking yesterday in tel-aviv about america's commitment to israel and the historic levels of military aid he plans to request now from congress. the white house expected to ask congress tomorrow for an additional $60 billion for ukraine and $40 billion in funds for israel, taiwan, and for the

southern border with mexico. joining us now, republican senator bill cassidy of louisiana. last weekend, he joined a bipartisan group of senators on a visit to israel, meeting with israeli prime minister netanyahu and other members of the newly created israeli war cabinet. senator, thanks for being on with us. i mentioned the political leaders you met with, but, importantly, you met with families of israeli hostages being held inside gaza. more than 200 of them we believe there now. can you share with us some of those conversations and what you learned from the trip? >> incredibly powerful. these were american-israelis whose family members were being held hostage. as you might guess, they were incredibly emotional. obviously, wanted the best for their family. they're really looking towards the united states. they're very disappointed with their political and military leadership for being caught so

off guard. by the way, one of the political leaders said, it is the responsibility of the state to keep israelis safe, they had failed. there is an acknowledgment of that. they're looking to the united states, these family members of hostages. one said, you're like our big brother. we need your protection right now. there was nothing manipulative. they were just laying out their heart. their family members are captive. one more thing, there were several touching things, but one, a video of the 12-year-old, taken by hamas and posted online, being led away. he had the smooth face of a 12-year-old, never understood kind of how terrible

that he's being held captive in gaza by hamas, but the good news is, is that he is alive. it is something that most of us cannot imagine. >> no, can't imagine any of this, the horrors that the israeli people experienced and the stories that you witnessed had to be so heartbreaking. senator, i'm wondering while you were there, did you and your delegation get any insight into how it could be that those israeli citizens had to wait four, five, six hours for the military to come and -- and rescue some of them? any insight into this massive security failure that goes against everything that you and i and most americans have ever believed about israel's capability to protect their people. >> there was a sense that hamas

was actually evolved into a governing body as opposed to a terrorist organization. the israelis have put two-thirds of their forces on the northern border fearing an attack from hezbollah more than an attack from hamas. in fact, one of the men we spoke with who was briefly the prime minister, had actually opened up to allow 19,000 palestinians a day to come in and work in israel with the idea that they would return back to gaza and help improve the economy. so this was a strategy to begin to open up the two economies and to allow if you will an unleashing of the potential of the palestinian people. unfortunately hamas took that as an opportunity to prepare for war. one thing that's kind of a metaphor for this, near the border, people who were committed to peace, israelis committed to peace, they were teaching their children both

arabic and hebrew. the hamas terrorists specifically targeted this area, a metaphor if you will. they were there not just to kill the jews, but also the possibility of peace. >> and can you underline that fact? and it's such a horrible story, but can you underline the fact that hamas seized actually those who would try to understand the palestinian people in israel and try to forge alliances? they see them as the greatest threat. you look at their founding documents. they talk about their goals to murder jews and to not make peace with israel. can you talk more about that, and also talk about what the united states policy should be regarding israel's attempt to uproot hamas? >> so first, as regards to the

first point, hamas sees that as their mission, not the protection of the palestinian people and certainly not the israelis. i say that because it was pointed out that the israelis were dropping leaflets asking palestinians to evacuate gaza city because they knew they were going to destroy it or bomb it or whatever, and hamas was trying to keep the palestinians there, blockading roads. we saw pictures of these blockades not allowing the retreat if you will from gaza city. as somebody pointed out, the palestinians are trying to -- i'm sorry. the israelis were trying to protect the palestinians. hamas was trying to use the palestinians to protect themselves. there is a difference between hamas and the palestinians. as regards to u.s. policy, we need to be with israel, number one. we need to support them. we need to give them that which they need, but one thing that the israelis emphasize, they want humanitarian aid to go to the palestinians.

they are differentiating between hamas and the palestinians. there will be palestinians of civilians that died. that is a tragedy, but it is in large measure because hamas has invited this upon gaza, and they are using palestinians as human shields, but the israelis were specifically asking for the military and the political leadership, for humanitarian aid. the united states should do what it can to not just arrange for it to be delivered as we have done, but to make sure that it gets in. now this is complicated because you need the egyptians, the israelis, and hamas to agree to this, but hopefully all will agree to get the aid into the palestinian people. >> so senator, president biden is going to address the nation tonight, talking to americans about the need to support israel, but more than israel. also ukraine as well, and white house aides have suggested they're going to put together a funding request. it could be up to $100 billion

for those two nations as well as taiwan and border security. so let's get your assessment here. is that an appropriate figure to ask for, and do you think it could pass through the congress? >> well, i think it can pass through the senate. as an appropriate level, you want to see what it's going to break down to. we're told that $60 billion is what the ukrainians need as opposed to just giving the ukrainians a little here and a little there and a little there. $60 billion is what they would need for some time to come. there would be no more to ask of congress. certainly the border -- the southern border of mexico, we need help there. not just money, but policy to try and keep this influx from being so crazy. as regards to passing, i think it will pass. it will pass the senate. now obviously the house doesn't have a speaker, but i think that the package together could pass, but again, i can't really predict what's going to happen in the house right now. >> none of us can, senator.

none of us can. >> well, speaking of the house, why don't we just ask? >> i'm curious. i know it's really not your business. i am wondering though whether you would like to see somebody like representative mchenry take over the speakership at least temporarily through the end of the year so you all could get business done. >> i think patrick would be a great temporary speaker. i'm not sure he wants it. who would? >> who would? yeah. >> i think he's respected by all sides. that's probably why mccarthy selected him in the first place, and things have to get done. we've just talked about these things, but the border is part of this. we've got to address the fact that i think 7 million people have come across our southern border illegally since president biden took office. among those are now people who are on our terror watch list. this has to be addressed. so i think patrick has that respect and the ability to work with all sides, and the fact

that he doesn't want it probably would recommend him to those who -- okay. he's temporary, but we can fight it out later. >> yeah. republican senator bill cassidy of louisiana, thank you very much for coming on "morning joe" this morning. thank you. >> thank you all. and still ahead on "morning joe," the assessment from u.s. officials that the deadly blast at a gaza hospital tuesday was most likely caused by a misfired rocket from palestinian-islamic jihad. we'll get expert analysis on that from barry mccaffrey. we're back in two minutes. mccaf. we're back in two minutes. of doing things. america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars in new technologies and creating plastic products that are more recyclable. durable. and dependable. our goal is a cleaner, healthier planet for generations to come.

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what sets us apart from the terrorists is we believe in human life. israeli, palestinian, arab, jew, muslim, christian, everyone. you can't give up what makes you who you are. if you give that up, then the

terrorists win, and we can never let them win. >> president biden is back at the white house this morning after a jam-packed trip to israel where he promised continued support for america's ally and cautioned against rage-filled vengeance. meanwhile, his administration is working to address the growing humanitarian crisis in gaza ahead of an expected ground invasion by israeli forces. we'll go through all of that and get a live look at jerusalem in a moment. plus, the drama here at home on capitol hill. >> the drama at home on capitol hill, and the reports immediately following that tragic bombing of the hospital in gaza. a lot of the intel -- u.s. intel pointing toward the fact that it was an islamic jihad rocket. there are, if you read "the wall

street journal" this morning, the talks and transcripts of intercept between hamas where members of hamas saying that, yeah. it's one of our rockets, and talking about how the fragments of it don't look like an israeli bomb. you have general mccaffrey and others looking at the pictures that have come from there and you just -- you look at the pictures, and as general mccaffrey said before, he knows about blowing things up. he spent his life doing it and he said, there's no way in the world that that hospital was hit by an israeli bomb. and yet, my god, the news reporting was so reckless and irresponsible that -- well, you have an entire region in flames now. >> yeah. i mean it's -- as you say, let's take partisanship out of this. people who study and know these things like people inside the

national security council and experts who looked at that, and said, if a 500-pound bomb had been dropped, you would see a crater. that's not what the images have seen, and we'll talk to experts about that, and why is that so important? that apparent lie sets off demonstrations in the streets and it gives hamas a lie on which to base further attacks that israelis attacked a hospital inside gaza which appears not to be true. the u.s. has assessed the deadly blast at a gaza hospital tuesday, that it was caused by islamic jihad. that's according to two u.s. officials and a congressional staffer. four military experts, one agreed with the u.s. assessment while three agreed the blast was not from israel. the experts were shown parts of the incident and its aftermath that had been geocated to nbc

news. marks left by the projectile are not consistent with the weaponry israel has used recently. hamas meanwhile blamed an israeli air strike for the explosion without citing evidence. a claim that was widely accepted across the middle east, and in some quarters of america as the "wall street journal" editorial board points out. it's prop propaganda long enough, and it's taking hamas at its word about what happens in this war. >> right, and sources, again, inside of gaza that immediately report something that immediately goes up on websites, on tv screens across america, that again, we have no evidence. again, the jury may still be out. all of the evidence, if you look

at "wall street journal," and what nbc news is saying, the evidence points to it not being from israel, but most likely from islamic jihad, and we don't expect hamas to be honest about anything, and we don't expect partisans to be honest about anything. we do expect news agencies to be careful and not immediately just throw up the claims of terror organizations. slow down, get the story right. >> so let's bring in nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel live from jerusalem. richard, what's the latest there? >> reporter: so it seems that israeli air strikes have intensified after president biden left israel. things slowed down while he was on the ground in israel. they have resumed now. people in gaza are still waiting for the aid shipments. that was an agreement brokered by the president to allow 20 trucks to come in with supplies.

so farther still on the egyptian side, and people we spoke to in gaza describe a terrible humanitarian crisis. they say the biggest thing they need is fuel, that a gallon of gas on the market can cost $35. this was a poor region to begin with, so people say without gas, they can't get in their cars. they can't leave the north to go to the south which is something that israel has instructed palestinians to do, and the few independent journalists -- you talked about the media. there are some reporters who work for nbc news and other organizations that are in there, trying to verify information. they are soon not going to be able to have fuel for their generators to get out and charge their phones and get pictures and images out. it is an increasingly difficult situation and we'll see if that convoy comes in, but we are also told from sources in egypt that the convoy does not include fuel. it includes mostly medical supplies and some water, and water is another main problem

because right now people are drinking well water which is for agriculture, not human consumption. >> richard, as you just heard, nbc news is citing experts who looked at that hospital, and looking at the evidence that's publicly available and that intelligence as well and saying it does appear it came from a misfired rocket from palestinian-islamic jihad and not from israel. what are you hearing from your sources in the middle east on the ground there? >> reporter: hearing a consistent story that this wouldn't be the first time a lot of the rockets built by hamas and islamic jihad which is another group inside gaza, smaller than hamas, much more controlled by iran. hamas has local support, is an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood. islamic jihad was created more or less to be a counterbalance to hamas and is considered directly beholden to iran.

it wouldn't be the first time that their rockets misfire and once they break apart, they're damaged in midair, whatever happens, they crash wherever they fall. i covered a very similar story to this the last time i was in gaza for a gaza war. there was a rocket that fll on a crowded camp, and investigations revealed it was another misfired rocket, but perception is often reality and people on the streets are angry. they're not just angry because of this explosion at the hospital. there are many other explosions that happened. there are many israeli air strikes that are killing civilians, and it is not just one incident that is causing this kind of outrage in the middle east. it is the cumulative effect of this ongoing war, and there is this concern that it could only get worse, and the images will get that much more dramatic if israel goes ahead with its ground invasion at a time of its

choosing. so far no indications that is coming today, tomorrow. we're not seeing troop or tank movements that would indicate something that imminent. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel, thank you very much for your reporting once again this morning. joining us now, former chief of staff at the cia and the department of defense, jeremy bash. he's an nbc news national security analyst. nbc news chief, international correspondent keir simmons is with us, and white house chief at politico, jonathan lemire is with us as well. he's the host of "way too early." so jeremy, we'll start with you in terms of the conflicting information on the attack as of course, there is efforts moving forward to create safe zones for civilians. what's the latest that you are hearing? >> yeah. well, first of all with respect to the intelligence picture on that hospital bombing, i thought the united states did a terrific job coming out there very

quickly and saying based on three sources of information, overhead imagery, communications intercepts, and open source data which is analyzed through powerful algorithms and u.s. technology systems. based on those three pieces of information, we assessed this rocket came from islamic jihad. i think the u.s. was pretty forceful in its pushback there. i take joe's point, and i have been talking about this as well. it was reckless. it was irresponsible to get the lot get halfway around the world before the truth got its boots on. it's part of the battle space now where you have to contend with lies, misinformation, and disinformation, and unfortunately too much journalists automatically credited the gaza health ministry which is, of course, run by hamas. so this was a -- i think an important kind of alarm that should go off in everybody's mind that when hamas makes the claim that you have to take it with a pound of salt and you have to really validate it because unfortunately as you

noted, there were real consequences, you know, crowds gathered outside embassies. people could have gotten hurt and killed. the arabs missed an opportunity to sit down with the president of the united states over what turned out to be misinformation and a lie. >> we'll dive into more on that later in the show. the cancellation of that summit in jordan really a setback for what the white house hoped to do on this trip as though they were very pleased with the message they were able to deliver with israel. keir, let's take a step back here, and the backdrop to what we're seeing in the middle east, president putin of russia is in china meeting with xi jinping. his foreign minister sergey lavrov meeting with kim jong-un of north korea. we know iran is playing here nominally in supporting the violenn iddle east. there seems like real new world order being shaped, and that is even before the ramifications in the middle east after israel does go into gaza, and we certainly expect violence to follow.

give us your take. >> yeah. i mean, that's what president putin and president xi are hoping for. just to pick up on the conversation that you guys are having because i think there's another aspect to this that's important, and that is this. it's not just in the u.s. that information and media is splintered. it's happening around the world. it's not just in the u.s. that there is opinion as opposed to just reporting. that's happening around the world and the impact of that is -- the impact of that is that the hospital bombing was being talked about in the arab world on arab media within minutes of it happening. it didn't need hamas to encourage the conclusions, and frankly talking to arab sources yesterday, it was like the lid coming off a pressure cooker. i mean, that to some extent we didn't notice that saudi arabia kept antony blinken waiting. we haven't necessarily understood enough, the level of

anger in the arab world, and the jordanians i think frankly had no choice but to call that summit off, and i'll tell you why. arab leaders are very, very worried about people coming out into the streets from cairo to beirut because many of them remember the arab spring, and i thought it was interesting to hear the jordanian foreign minister talk yesterday to lester holt when he was asked, do you really think this was an israeli missile that hit the hospital? he says that -- he said, that's what people think. he didn't answer the question directly. he said, that's what people think, and that's revealing and he said, it will take a lot for them to believe that it's not the israelis, and that was an extremely revealing answer because it told you that the jordanians, the egyptians, the lebanese, they're all incredibly worried about what the arabs on the street think. now just going back to your question about president xi and president putin, i mean, clearly the russians know the middle

east very, very well. the chinese less so, but what they're doing is they're sitting on the sidelines, signaling their support for the palestinians, not completely backing away from israel, but showing their support and calling for a ceasefire. why are they doing that? they have economic interests in the arab world. look at for example, russia's relationship with opec, but on top of that, they also see an opportunity to double down on the message they have been trying to, you know, kind of spread around the world and over these years, which is the decline of the u.s. so just as they've tried to claim -- putin yesterday -- just yesterday trying to claim that the u.s. giving weapons to ukraine will prolong the agony in ukraine. that's what they said. the same kind of message with israel. the u.s. supporting israel makes everything worse. i think we have to be -- to understand what russia and china are trying to do here even if

plainly we don't agree with it. >> you know, willie, i want to circle back to jordan, and i want to circle back to king abdullah who gets a billion dollars a year from the united states. who knows the truth? and despite the fact, king abdullah knows the truth, he calls this a war crime, a shame on humanity and blames it on israel. i understand he's dealing with misinformation that's been spread across the middle east, and i understand that's been the story for years, the misinformation that's spread across the middle east. at the same time, guy getting a billion dollars a year from us -- the united states, jordan, is spreading that lie? it's one thing that to say it's a tragedy and we need to put off the summit, but to deliberately lie and spread that lie around his own country, my god. if that's an ally, i would hate to see an enemy.

>> you're right. we give him a billion dollars of aid, and the iranis jumped out that it was israel because as keir points out, they're speaking to the street. they're speaking to their people, and it worked. people were out in the streets yesterday threatening embassies across the united states and israel, and jonathan lemire, the president's visit yesterday, symbolic on the one hand, but also did achieve the opening or the -- hopefully the opening of that rafah crossing for a time anyway to get some humanitarian aid into egypt to gaza to help them. how does the white house feel the trip went and how important was it for him to be there? >> it was a partial success. they got word of the cancellation of the jordan summit because of the hospital explosion. literally as the presidential motorcade was pulling up to air force one at joint base andrews, they got that, and there was a question of whether or not to cancel the trip entirely, and the answer was no. it was important to go to israel to show support, but they

understood that that meant that the only image coming out of this trip would be biden with -- hugging netanyahu, the prime minister of israel, and that's out of the president's control, but it shows the limits sometimes of even the president of the united states when they're heading overseas. they understand now, there's going to be ramifications in the arab world in the wake of this false report about the hospital and then the upcoming gaza incursion by israeli forces, but the other part of the trip they think was a success. president biden came back on the plane to speak to reporters and talk about that aid corridor. we need to make sure that is followed through, and the president spoke with first responders yesterday, and israeli citizens and he was able to display some empathy to those standing side by side, and joe and mika, an important message when he invokes september 11th,

ehe said we felt like we had to hit back too, and we made mistakes. he urged them not to do that, and he has a primetime address this evening. >> jeremy, again, let's try to keep all this in context and where we are right now. you talk about september 11th. right now, if the king of jordan decides he wants to lie to his people in light of the world, there's nothing we can do about that. if the saudis decide they want to lie to their people and lie to the world, while by the way hating palestinians and not wanting palestinians in their own country, we can't do anything about that, but we're at the stage sort of the september 12th stage right now, and for the president of the

united states to go over to israel to talk to the leader and say, we are understand your anger. we ask that you control your response and don't act on vengeance, but act on national security, and then to meet people who were impacted by this great tragedy, working for a gaza corridor at the same time and humanitarian relief. i would -- i would call that a success, and if arab leaders want to lie to their people, well, that's, you know, they're out of the countries. they do what they want to do. we can't judge president biden on whether they want to live in the lie instead of actually talking about moving towards a framework of peace. so i say all in all, it was a hell of a great trip for president biden. what do you think? >> it was a tremendous -- i would argue, a towering example

of american global leadership and how it can have an impact. >> yeah. >> the president landed in the war zone standing shoulder to shoulder with an ally on the wednesday after one of the most atrocious attacks in that country's history even as the rockets are still flying into israel, and even as the idf prepares for a very complicated mission to go after the leadership of hamas, and so israel goes to the war -- excuse me. joe biden goes to the war cabinet in israel. he sits down and they talk about the operations in gaza. they talk about the region, they talk about the tour in iran, and they talk about hezbollah, and he comes out with a strong message of reassurance, and he says, don't overcrank this. we did this in iraq, and other examples and we have lessons we can share with you, but we understand the pain you're feeling and we understand you're going to have to decimate the leadership of hamas in the same way we had to decimate the leadership of al qaeda. we were successful, and there were no more homeland in our attacks for the better part of 20 years, and israel is going to

have to ensure a same or similar security paradigm for their country going forward. >> right. now i'll just add to that, i think that -- i'm not even going to give oxygen to those who talk about biden's ability to function because you saw him once again -- this is not the first time. on the world stage going to a war zone or a nato meeting or in this case, going to israel in the midst of a hospital explosion, a summit that broke down, and in realtime, president biden and his secretary of state figure out how to orchestrate meetings with benjamin netanyahu, the war cabinet, first responders, victims, and nail it every step of the way, opening the door to conversations with egypt about civilians and the presence there, keir simmons, the actual showing up and having the wisdom and the leadership and the relationships, it does help in the long game. >> just like it did in ukraine, right?

>> exactly. it helps in the long game in terms of hopefully bringing arab nations together to this, but this is not something a neophyte could done or somebody who's bumbling. >> i would say this, mika, just in terms of the context, we are dealing with an incredibly challenging world right now, and not just the u.n. security vote yesterday where france voted for the resolution. the u.s. blocked the revolution -- the resolution, and a senior western diplomat talked to me after that vote warning of a rift with the global south, with the developing world. not just the fact that we saw the u.n. secretary general calling for a ceasefire yesterday while speaking at a conference in china, but just -- in all kinds of ways including honestly that we do need to keep talking about the crisis of confidence in the arab world about u.s. leadership, that the

past week or so have caused. look. russia and china's narrative is that in various events in the past 20 years, gulf war, september 11th, the 2008 financial crisis, the chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan, are all part of the decline of the u.s., and they will be -- when president xi and president putin met yesterday, they will be saying to each other, here we go. what's happening in the middle east, another event. it's on the u.s. president to show that's not the case. >> all right. nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons and former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense, jeremy bash. thank you both very much for your analysis and insight this morning. >> i have to say, willie, and i understand -- i completely agree with keir's reporting on what china -- what russia, and what

iran are trying to do when they say that, and when they try to get that word out, but, you know, they underestimated the united states and nato's response in ukraine. you look at their economies that have collapsed. you look at russia whose economy is smaller than taxes. you look at china who's stagnating while the united states have a $25 trillion gdp. you can look at military budgets. you can look at every other measure, measurement, and the united states is doing well, but there is no doubt they are lining up. china, russia, iran, north korea, as axis powers that consider the united states their sworn enemy, and that is going to be a challenge for this president. it will be a challenge for this congress if they ever get their act together and actually start working again instead of

fighting each other in the republican conference room, and it's a challenge for america. it's a challenge we're up to. i mean, again, only -- as warren buffett said after the crash in 2008, only a fool would vote against -- would bet against the united states of america. it's true then, true now. >> it is, and those countries made a very explicit show of the point you're just making yesterday, when you have president putin meeting with president xi on the one hand and lavrov meeting and shaking hands with the leader of north korea of all people and saying what a close ally they are, on display while the president of the united states is in israel, and it's been said many times that putin likes what he's seeing in the middle east as it relates to the united states because he believes that our support for israel may in some way distract from our support from ukraine, and that he can pick up momentum in a war in which he has flailed

frankly, his country has flailed for a year and a half now. coming up, one of our next guests met with president biden yesterday in israel. eli bere played a role in the aftermath of the terror attack. he joins the conversation straight ahead on "morning joe." he joins the conversation straight ahead on "morning joe."

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he's called me venomous. he's called me disgraceful. he's called me radical. he's called me a racist, and this is only week three. the reality is, is that none of us behavior which can best be described as performative will change what's happening in the courtroom. we are here to enforce the law and nothing will change that. no attacks, no words. i will not give in. i will not give up. i will only serve justice and enforce the law. thank you. >> all right. >> you know who that is. that is -- >> someone who's very confident.

>> somebody smiling. that's somebody holding four aces while the person across the table is screaming and yelling. >> she was quite clear in the evidence that he overvalued his properties. >> i say she's holding four aces because she's holding years and years and years of lies. >> this is part of attorney general's civil fraud trial against donald trump, letitia james. the judge had to reportedly tell trump to quiet down after prosecutors say the former president's comments were heard across the courtroom during a witness's testimony. the judge then asked the entire room to keep their voices down, quote, particularly if it's meant to influence the testimony. trump returned to the courtroom this week after attending the first days of the fraud trial against him earlier this month. >> you know, willie, it is so sad. it is so sad what they are doing to the poor donald trump. he's being forced -- >> he's being dragged in there. >> -- to attend this trial.

he's forced -- they don't want him to go to iowa. it's so unfair, he says. take a look and see -- >> he can't campaign. >> see if you can find the inconsistency. >> i could be in iowa, new hampshire, the great of north carolina. they want me to be here. >> will you be there tomorrow? >> probably not. we're having a very big professional golf tournament, so probably not. >> so willie -- >> perfection. love it. >> they're keeping me. >> oh my god. >> they're keeping me from the good people of iowa. >> four minutes. the brain can't hold information. >> they're keeping me from the good people of south carolina. i mean, he almost did a howard dean rundown of the states that they were keeping him from. it's so -- the injustice of it all. how could they be -- and then the reporters ask him a couple

of minutes later, so are you going to be here tomorrow too since they're holding you here? no, i've got a golf tournament and i'm going down to the country club. you can't make it up because see, his mind -- he can't even remember who he's running against. he thinks he's running against barack obama, so how do you expect him four minutes later to remember the lie he told four minutes ago? >> i mean, it's perfection. you couldn't -- things are bleak, i get it, but sometimes you have to laugh. it's absolute perfection. there is, joe, that famous waiver in the court system, you have to be here as a defendant unless there's a tournament at doral, and so many defendants have invoked that over the years, and he's taking advantage of that. >> carvell. >> you mentioned al capone that he had to go to the invitational instead of his court date. this is -- again, you talk about

the lies, the transparent lies that are fed by hamas to the arab street. you look -- you look at the transparent lies here. they're kindergarten-level, jonathan lemire, and trump knows they're kindergarten level. i knew we'd get him sooner or later, and this lie by the way is being spread by trump allies in the media. oh, they're doing this to keep him away from the campaign. they're doing it -- no, they're not. he doesn't have to be there. he wasn't there for his trial when the judge said he raped a woman, but he's at this trial because he knows he's busted, and yet he's so held down there that when his country club in miami has a golf tournament, he goes, oh, no, no, no. i'm going to the golf tournament. >> they will not keep him from the good people at doral. which i'm reminded he proposed

as a site for the g7 because it was so conveniently located to the miami international airport, but i think the actual only consistency here between trump showing up to the courthouse from other days, but not this one is because it's all about his money, and the golf tournament is one of the few sources of income he currently has. we are seeing here that, you know, he's inflated his assets. he's already been found guilty of that in the civil sense and we're now in the penalty phase of this trial, and he is going to probably take a real beating and have a lot of money he has to pay away, you know, so therefore golf tournaments, whether it's liv or otherwise at doral or bedminster or any of the other places are some of the few he'll be able to make money from, and let's also recall there's a chance he'll lose his ability to make money to practice business in new york state. doral is in florida, and that's a reason why he can raise a few bucks along the way.

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5g mobile network nationwide. wireless that works for you. it's not just possible. it's happening. what do you think of jim jordan's attempt to secure the speakership? >> no. zero, none. >> i ache for him. president biden's sarcastic reaction when asked about jim jordan's bid for the speakership. congressman jordan lost his second vote in pursuit of the speaker's gavel receiving just 199 votes. just the first time in nearly a century the majority has failed to get 200 votes. >> republicans keep making history. >> the ohio congressman is vowing to continue his bid telling reporters there will be another vote today.

nancy pelosi was actually very complimentary of the republican party. >> yeah? >> for not selecting an election denier and someone who is directly connected to january 6th. she thought it was a good day for democracy. >> it was a good day, and he says he's going to keep voting. he keeps losing votes. like i said, maybe, you know, maybe he ends up with a handful of votes barking for him outside the chamber, but no one else speaking out for him. what's interesting is you have a number of different factions that are now voting against him, and one thing that i particularly am taking note of, some institutionalists. people that i even served with, kay granger who runs the appropriations committee and who, of course, wants an orderly process, you know, like we haven't really seen in congress, you know, in a very long time, you know, it sounds very boring. regular order, but if you are

the appropriations chairwoman, you want -- you want to see bills get through there in a way that funds the government, that funds the agencies to do the things that congress is expected to do, and when you have an institutionalist like kay granger voting against him and other institutionalists, that's her saying, i don't think he's up to it, you know, you guys kicked out kevin mccarthy for this? and so it's interesting. i expect the numbers will probably grow. >> yeah. that's what it sounds like. if they go to another vote today, which they're supposed to, he's going to lose more votes. we have more republicans on the record that voted for him yesterday now saying they would vote against him, and imagine that, joe. you have some institutionalists who actually want to get budgets there you and get things done. >> yeah. look at that. >> and the other thing is threatening and bullying republican members whose votes you would like to get. others came out yesterday and said, jim jordan and your allies, stop threatening us.

stop having fox news hosts calling and threatening us saying you're taking names. some said there have been security threats to their families because they haven't committed to vote for jim jordan. that doesn't work either. let's bring in congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post," jackie alemany. we'll get another round to vote today. we think. how's it going to go for jim jordan? >> i have to say joe is spot-on. you're seeing the institutionalists bite back giving these hardline republicans a taste of their medicine. he told us that yesterday after we were anticipating a third vote yesterday afternoon, but he's been unable to get his numbers down and lock in and flip some more yeses, and we heard from a range of members from across the board. people again in the new york delegation, these institutionalists, appropriators, a range of people who are not necessarily united

by any straight forward thing, but who sort of organically developed and grave -- gravitated toward this coalition, and they don't think this is the way, and they're also against the culture that jim jordan has fostered and helped facilitate during his time in congress that has now taken over the gop, this sort of knife-fighting, toxic win at all costs approach that has essentially destroyed any sort of hopes of bipartisanship in the house of representatives. you have members who, you know, have said as you just noted that they've gotten threats against their staff, their wives, themselves, and that this -- and that jordan is squarely responsible for this. that is what john rutherford and steve womack told us yesterday, and they called the opposition against jordan profound meaning

that, you know, unlike those 20 members who were against kevin mccarthy at the outset in january when he went through 14 rounds of trying to get elected speaker, they all wanted something. this time around, these members don't want anything. they just don't want jim jordan. so we're going to see what happens here. there is some truth to this idea that jim jordan doesn't necessarily want to go on the floor and lose again which is what is likely going to happen. we haven't heard of any significant people flipping in jordan's favor right now. so we're all sort of waiting on a potentially interim speaker mchenry, but for that process to get started, you're going to have to see jordan throw up the white flag. coming up, we'll talk to a retired army intelligence officer who now serves on capitol hill, congressman pat ryan will weigh in on the crisis in the middle east when "morning joe" comes right back. is in the middle east when "morning joe" comes right back. preventing migraine with qulipta®? remember the pain? cancelled plans? the worry? that was then. and look at me now. you'll never truly forget migraine.

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largest one-year increase in history last year. that's from the u.s. census bureau, and now a new study is showing the one way the increased costs are affecting women in particular. it's called period poverty, and morgan radford joins us now with more details. morgan, this affects a lot more women than people might think. >> mika, you're absolutely right. it's a problem that's personal, but it's also becoming increasingly political. just like basic food and energy costs, the cost of period products like tampons or pads, they're also something that many women have to budget for. in fact, a new study has found that nearly 1 in 3 american women have been unable to affor in 3 american women have been unable to access those period products. that's why a nonprofit is stepping in hoping to end period poverty once and for all. >> we'll remove sales tax from our period products.

>> after years of silence, the issue of menstruation is becoming political. five states have ved to make feminine hygiene products tax exempt, bringing the total number of states to 24. and this year, representative grace ming of new york introduced the menstrual equity for all act. it's a change this college freshman says is long overdue. >> you have your period now. you still have to work and go to school. if you don't have those products, then you physically cannot. >> reporter: it's a phenomenon known as period poverty, lack of access to basic menstrual hygiene supplies, which is why she started volunteering with a nonprofit called dignity grows, which helps in a direct way, holding packing parties where

hundreds of volunteers fill tote bags with a month-long supply of hygiene products, all given for free. >> tooth paste, toothbrush, soap, deodorant, pantyliners and shampoo. >> reporter: these products have already reached the hands of 160,000 people. >> it is a very taboo subject still. it not only affects women. it affects families and communities. >> reporter: a new study commissioned by the organization found nearly 1 in 3 american women have been impacted by period poverty in their lifetime, an obstacle 75% of women say affected other parts of their lives like work, school and even their mental health. >> we got a letter from a young woman that said i'm the first person in my family to go to college. i haven't missed school since i've been getting dignity grows

totes. what's better than that? >> reporter: when you see a woman who's outspoken about this issue, does it give you hope for the future? >> this is a generation of activists and advocates. it gives me absolute hope for the future. >> reporter: a future with fewer obstacles for the next generation. >> dignity grows has 60 chapters across 27 states. they work with food pantries and homeless shelters to identify people most at need. those tote bags aren't meant to be a one-time handout, but rather a steady supply of product women can rely on consistently. >> this is great, morgan. even with all the progress women have made, what are the challenges that groups doing work like this still face? is there still sort of a stigma around it. >> the stigma is one of their biggest challenges. i grew up in the south.

it wasn't something we talked about openly, but we are seeing more lawmakers like representatives trying to take action on this issue, because they're trying to break down the data, the stigma. when they hear 1 in 3 women is affected by this, it doesn't become a women's problem anymore. this becomes a human problem. people understand this is a human problem, it's no longer sidelined and that stigma finally starts to break. >> thank you very much for that report. coming up, now that president biden has left the middle east, will israel push forward on a ground offensive in gaza? we will have a live report when "morning joe" comes back. >> what sets us apart from the terrorist is we believe in the fundamental dignity of every human life, israeli,

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what is your reaction to another failed attempt by the republicans? >> i think they're trying for democracy in our country, but an insurrection was rejected by the republicans again as their candidate for speaker. we've always wished the winning party well as they choose their leader. i've never in the decades that i've been here when we've had a speakers race on our side or their side, we've always respected each other's judgment. but today and yesterday, that was an assault on our democracy, as jim jordan assaulted our democracy on january 6th.

>> nancy pelosi reacting to the second failed house speaker vote. another vote is expected at noon today. but there are about 20 republicans who say they will not vote for jim jordan. what's going to happen? welcome back to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. jonathan lemire back with us along with jen psaki joining us as well. before we jump into the latest updates with the war in the middle east, jen psaki, jim jordan, does he really want to go out there for a third vote and not win? >> i wouldn't if i were him. he's certainly not asking me for advice, mika, or you probably. i think watching this, he has huge math problem, which is the 20 republicans you mentioned, but he seems to also be losing votes. he also has a momentum problem.

he's not building support as time goes on. it feels like from people i've spoken with on the hill, their bet is he needs another failed vote before there is a movement to determine if they are going to make patrick mchenry temporary speaker pro tem for the next 80 days. it sounds like he's barreling towards another failure here, which is bizarre, but so would be electing an insurrectionist as the speaker of the house. >> even since we've been on the air here in the last couple of hours, more republicans say they are not going to vote for jim jordan. president biden will address the country tonight from the oval office about the wars both in the middle east and ukraine after his trip yesterday to israel where biden plans to ask congress for an unprecedented support package for israel's defense. richard engel is live in jerusalem. you're following the movement of that humanitarian aid into gaza that's been hung up for so long

at the egyptian border. what's the latest? >> reporter: the latest is it's not moving yet. officials say it could happen today, although it's getting quite late here now, or tomorrow. but what we are seeing is increased diplomatic efforts. it looks like a new arab summit is being organized. the one that was supposed to be held a couple of days ago that was going to be attended by president biden in oman was cancelled. leaders are heading towards cairo. it seems there will be a broad arab summit with leaders from the gulf countries, egypt, the king of jordan and many others attending there to try and discuss ways to contain this conflict. people in the region are talking about the possibility of a war that could change the borders of this entire region, a war on the level of 1948 or '67, a war that has consequences for generations.

we're seeing kings and arab leaders trying to get on the same page and divert this, if possible. >> richard, what would that look like? we saw the apparent lie being spread across the arab world about what happened at that hospital in gaza yesterday, inflaming their populations. what would the containment of this war look like from the perspective of those arab nations? >> reporter: so this is not all about the hospital. the hospital was an incident that brought things that were already boiling to a boil and sends it boiling over. it is about the ongoing israeli strikes against the gaza strip. it is really about the future of the gaza strip. there is a deep concern that once israel moves in on its anticipated incursion, the concern is what happens to all

of these people, where are they going to go? are they going to be pushed into egypt forever? that is a main egyptian concern, that if it swings open that gate not to let in 20 trucks -- 20 trucks is almost a minor issue in all of this. it would deliver much-needed relief to the people who could get access to those trucks. the larger, historic issue is, if the border with egypt is open, will you suddenly see -- and it is very possible you would see -- a huge exit of hundreds of thousands or a million or more people concentrated in southern gaza flowing into egypt. would that become a new palestinian enclave? would that be run by hamas? if so, egypt worries, well, it will have a problem. it will have hamas on its borders controlling another population potentially attacking israel, drawing fire. jordan, same concern. they've seen precedents in past middle east wars where the

palestinian population does move into a neighboring country and doesn't return. they are seeing this not just in the context -- this is not a summit to react to what happened at the hospital. it is a summit out of concern that there are historic events and historic changing events under way in this region. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel, thank you very much. willie mentioned that deadly hospital blast in gaza. the u.s. has assessed and determined it was most likely caused by a misfired rocket from palestinian islamic jihad. that's according to two u.s. officials and a congressional staffer. hamas blamed an israeli air strike for the explosion without citing evidence, a claim that was widely accepted across the middle east. >> nbc news has also done an

assessment and theyd with president biden and said from everything they've seen, this was not an israeli blast. they consulted four military munitions experts. three agreed the blast was not from israel. >> at the same time, a lot of damage done with information. joining us now, retired four star general barry mccaffrey. it's good to have you on this morning. >> general, thank you so much. i remember we were talking a couple months ago about a bombing that took place, a strike on a bridge going into crimea. you said that the time, i know something about blowing things up, and that was a hell of a hit by the ukrainians. well, as somebody who knows something about these things, i'm curious your reaction to the

bombing of this hospital, i would say garage, and your conclusions on who's responsible for that. >> well, i'm not surprised u.s. intelligence has reassured president biden that it was highly unlikely it was an israeli action. in the background we are aware that the palestinian population, a couple million are caught up in a huge tragic ongoing war. it's going to get much worse before it gets better. on the other hand, this alleged hospital bombing, you know, i've been present or under attack from mortars, artillery, rockets, attack helicopters, us air craft. it seemed almost obvious at first glance that this was not an israeli precision munitions, a jdam 500-pound bomb. it was ridiculous.

the video evidence decried that. most infantry company commanders, experienced ones, within ten minutes of being hit by a munition will tell happened. that isn't what happened. it was very likely an errant rocket fired by a jihadist movement right near the hospital. they have israel under continuing rocket attack. that's what occurred. the larger issue, though, it seemed to me is, you've got to ask yourself what's the clarity of purpose going on? 7 october was the unprovoked mass murder of hundreds of israeli civilians, and that attack continues to this day. the idf is going to go into gaza. they've got to do this, and try and eliminate hamas' military ability to attack them in the

coming years. if they don't, the existence of israel will be at stake. >> you know, general, when this happened, of course, we all grieved just for the hellacious terror attacks. while we were looking at those pictures, you knew what had to come next. if you're running israel's military, you really don't have any option, do you, of living side by side with a terrorist organization that would shoot babies in their cribs, burn them alive, rape and shoot at point-blank range teenagers at music festivals and burn holocaust survivors. >> you know, these weren't rogue operations either.

this was a strategic surprise whose purpose it was to terrorize israel. hamas did not have the capability of bringing down the israeli state alone. they can trigger a series of events that would imperil israel's existence. but at the end of the day, israel will have to ask themselves the profound consequences of how this war ends are more important than how it began. if it ends with hamas being able to tell the arab that we slaughtered or injured thousands of israelis and got away with it, they cannot live in peace. what's going to actually happen in the coming weeks is hard to sort out. fighting in an urban area with a couple hundred miles of tunnels, high-rise buildings, surface streets, the idf potentially could take down gaza in 48 hours, at least at the surface

level, as we did in baghdad. or it could be involved in a 10,000-casualty house-to-house fight. the idf has a huge challenge in front of them, but i don't see how israel can resist with this threat to their people. >> there are millions of civilians who live there who are not terrorists and don't want to be in the cross fire of all of this. as a military tactician, how do you begin to plan and undertake an option like that from israel where we know hamas mixes civilians in with them intentionally to use as human shields? >> there's no good outcome. the israelis will make every effort tactically and legally to minimize human loss of life, to include their own, to include

evacuating their own civilian populations from the border areas. but i don't see how you conduct high-intensity combat operations, 50,000 troops go into an urban area with a million people still in the area and fight a three-dimensional battle to subdue hamas. there are going to be tragedies. the best results we could probably hope for are that huge numbers of civilians move out of the combat zone, that humanitarian supplies are allowed to get in, not 10 or 20 trucks, but 100 trucks a day. and we also need to see the arab world come together to talk about, to set up the follow-on governance of the palestinian people. the israelis can never negotiate with hamas. their stated purpose is to eliminate the people of israel.

that's the challenge. it's primarily at the end of the war, and it's a political one, not a military one. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, general, so much. thank you, as always, for your service to this country. we're so grateful. jen psaki, we're looking ahead to president biden's address to the nation tonight. this is, of course, after the past 48 hours a whirlwind extremely risky dicey trip to israel where things changed in realtime. obviously there was the hospital blast, and then arab nations pulled out of the summit. with secretary of state blinken they were able to orchestrate a meeting with the war cabinet, a meeting with netanyahu and a meeting with first responders and victims and send the message to the world that they're with

israel, that they stand ready to support and that other arab nations perhaps ought to join in and helps with this situation, some headway being made with egypt. what are you going to be looking for from the president tonight? >> if you're on the national security team or state department or department of defense, you have not slept in nearly the last two weeks and they are working round-the-clock. i know from talking to a lot of officials there, they're very focused on getting aid in right now, which has obviously had a lot of fits and starts. prime time people will be tuning in who may not be consuming as much about the ups and downs of the war as all of us are. you're very mindful of that in the white house.

the president going into tonight, these speeches are short, more like 10 to 12 minutes because frankly that's the amount of time networks will give the white house to do an address like this, maybe a little bit longer than this, but that's pretty short for president biden. he really needs to convey to the public why he's so involved in national security issues, why he's so invested in israel, why he took this trip, why aid is so essential to help the israeli people and also the palestinian people. he's going to talk about both of those. the other piece of this that we have not been talking about a lot lately is aid to ukraine. that will definitely be a part of this speech. it is the biggest part of the package the white house is requesting. it's so essential. right now vladimir putin has not had the eyes of the world on him. they need to be back on him. the eyes need to be back on the aid that the ukrainians need. it's all of those.

why is he involved, why do these matter to the american people. >> it's a rare moment for this president to use the backdrop of the oval office for an address like this. he did one in prime time some months ago about the debt ceiling bill. there's a limit to what he can do without a speaker of the house. would you anticipate he's going to use the big stage tonight to also talk about that, to try to urge republicans in the house to get their affairs in order, to elect someone to allow this administration and the congress to actually help our allies? >> it's such a good question. from knowing president biden as i do from having worked for him for two years, i know he's not going to want to make this an overly political speech. my bet is this speech is going

to be edited until the moment he delivers it. he's going to be practicing it today, trying to save his voice. i don't think the political side is going to be a big part of the speech, but i could see him making a reference to the need to have partners in order to get this aid through, because part of the objective here is to speak to a much broader audience of people who are not consuming every up and down of jim jordan's vote count and may not be focused or paying attention to that component. i wouldn't be surprised. my bet is they are discussing how to do that in the speech without making this politicized, because it's much bigger than a political issue, the importance of aid to israel and ukraine. coming up on "morning joe," a conversation on fighting anti-semitism at home and abroad. plus, we'll be joined by one of

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during his trip to israel yesterday, president biden participated in an emotional meeting with the families of those missing after the hamas terror attack and also with first responders. that includes eli bier, the founder and president of the largest independent nonprofit fully volunteer emergency medical service organization based in israel. since the attacks, the group's volunteer medics have been on the front lines in israel responding to life-saving calls. >> we have 7,000 first responders spread around israel. our response is usually 90 seconds. we were there in the first moments seeing the atrocities

that happened. these were women that were raped and murdered, children, little babies murdered in front of their parents, heads chopped off. our volunteers were brave. we had two volunteers who were murdered. >> he joins us now. thank you very much for coming on the show to share your stories and concerns. i want to first ask, i listened to that conversation you had with president biden yesterday. you talked to him about biden helping a bit lift the spirit of israel. how important do you think it was that he came? >> well, i think this is the greatest thing that happened to israel in many years, uplifting the spirit of the people living in the south of israel that have been bombarded for the last 20 years by hundreds of thousands of missiles coming from gaza.

the world was just ignoring it. unfortunately this massacre that happened in the south of israel, everyone knows someone who was either murdered, kidnapped or injured. every israeli feels like his family was hit. all of a sudden, the most important president in the world, the president of the united states comes to visit israel just to support and show love. i think this uplifted the spirit of every israeli, no matter jew or non-jew, christians and muslims and jews and every jew around the world or anyone who loves israel, their spirit was uplifted yesterday. >> let me ask you about how the israeli people are doing a few weeks after this absolutely

heinous attack. i was talking to a friend a few weeks ago who said he felt like this generation had let down holocaust survivors. he remembered talking to his grandparents that people who had survived auschwitz and other camps didn't like to talk. he said when he was growing up, they didn't like to talk about it. they'd fade off and then they'd always sort of snap back to and say, at least we're here, we're here now, israel is here now, we are safe. talk about how that belief was so shattered and how the israelis are rebuilding in the wake of this unspeakable tragedy? >> we heated unfortunately the

worst right there, our volunteers there in the little villages, we had twin babies, 6 months old, they were hiding with the parents in a shelter. after two hours of hiding from the terrorists trying to break into their house, the parents felt like they needed to get some food for the babies who were starving. the mother ran out to get the babies a little water. the terrorists jumped on her and raped her. when the father came to save her, they shot and killed him and then they killed the mother. those two little babies were left in that little room crying for 16 hours while the terrorists went to kill other people in the community. nearly 60% in that little kibbutz were murdered in the most brutal way. these babies were found by us

and the special forces in israel. our volunteer was holding one of the babies. he told me he felt like he was a part of 1943 in europe. that's how he felt. i met little children. i was looking for their parents. afterwards we found their parents were murdered. we felt like we were in the holocaust. you're talking about over 1500 people murdered, children, babies, old people, holocaust survivors. we had a holocaust survivor we took to the hospital. they couldn't stop crying. a number on their arm from auschwitz, two of their grandchildren were murdered in israel. i went through 35 years of service on ambulances. i'm a first responder for my whole life. i've seen shootings and wars.

if i combine all of these together through my whole 35 years of volunteering, it wouldn't be even 10% of what i saw in one day october 7th. that's how we all felt. that's why we feel personally that our life is not the same. i am a different person. >> eli, you talked about how these babies were left crying for 16 hours. you were a first responder. you were on the front line. other brave israelis were. you heard of the retired general who at age 67 got off of a bike ride that morning, went down and got some troops together and actually did many rescues.

there are so many stories of heroism. have you figurd out how it could be that it took the military so long to come down, ten hours to come down and rescue israelis who were under siege? >> if you think about christmas morning at 6:30 in the morning, that's how it was. it's like one of the holiest holidays of the year. they've purposely chosen that day. invest this was well-planned by hamas and iran and hezbollah for a long time to do a lot more. they were really planning to go to jerusalem.

the army is not a first responder. we are first responders, police are first responders. the army takes hours and hours to prepare for war. my son is in the military. he was out of the army that weekend. they all sent them home for the weekend to be with their families for the holidays. i feel like this was an incredible job of iran to literally kill every israeli. this was a plan to go into jerusalem, into tel aviv. unfortunately this was a terrible tragedy that happened to israel and i really hope we learn a lot from this. i could tell you about two heros. a muslim from nazareth came to that party, that festival that was a dance party for young kids. he was there as a standby

paramedic in case something happened. when the shooting started, he's an arab israeli wearing a jacket with the israeli flag on it and he ran to save people. he had a young girl who was shot all over that he was trying to save and the terrorists caught him. when they realized he was an arab and an israeli, they tortured him so much we couldn't recognize him. he didn't run away. he stayed with the victims he was trying to save. there was a jewish volunteer. he left the shelter with his family, went in his car and ran to save lives. we had the most incredible heros. i'm lucky to be here in israel and serve the people here in this time together with 7,000 other volunteered and many others who came. ly say this is a tragedy that

will take generations to get about. we're never going to forget. this was also a very big miracle and people don't realize what a big miracle this was. there were 2500 terrorists who went into israeli with machine guns and they came in and got bombarded. the women they were raping, if they were not busy with raping women, they would have continued to jerusalem. when they saw that party with the young kids, they literally stopped their act. i think about how much they suffered, all these little kids, 20 years old, dancing, having a nice time. it was a peaceful event. it ended up in the biggest tragedy we ever had in israel. i salute to anyone who is

helping. we had incredible first responders there. unfortunately two of our volunteers were murdered, two others were kidnapped and eight volunteers seriously injured. >> thank you so much for what you're doing and thank you for sharing your stories with us here this morning. >> i want to thank you. i really feel like the president of the united states -- i'm an american too. i felt so proud to be an american. i'm proud of your show that you're showing what's going on. many, many people are supporting now through medical equipment here in israel. go to israelrescue.org and support saving lives. >> thank you. here's more of what president biden had to say yesterday in tel aviv, something that had echoes of the holocaust

survival, nobel laureate eli weizel. >> the world watched and knew and the world did nothing. we will not stand by and do nothing again, not today, not tomorrow, not ever. >> wherever and whenever a project similar or close to similar to that project hitler had for the jews and other people, we must immediately do what we can to stop it and to create a world in which their project could not come to fruition. >> that is eli weisel a decade

ago. joining us is his son along with israel's special envoy for combatting terrorism. we just heard the words of your father. speak, if you would, to the significance of the president going to tel aviv yesterday to physically being there in addition to the week and a half or nearly two weeks now of unequivocal american support for israel here. >> thank you so much for having us on the show. when my father passed in 2016, then vice president biden put out a statement. the statement said there is a promise that needs to be made to remember what his friend and teacher eli weisel said, never again. you have to realize tens of thousands of school children in

this country are seeing it come to life before their very eyes. there are going to be evil people that are not only committing the deeds. the hamas terrorists took selfies and videos. you have the leaders of hamas going on russian tv to declare why they did it. you have school administrations and universities twisting themselves to avoid condemning the evil of hamas, trying to both sides this issue and trying to establish moral equivalence between israel and hamas. you also have heros. you have unbelievable moral courage exhibited by president biden. it is clear when president biden made that statement, it is a promise he intends on keeping. you think about the incredible moral courage it takes. the holocaust is the culmination of over a thousand years of blood liable against the jews. you think about the poison the

well things, the pogroms. look at the reaction that happened when israel was falsely accused of bombing a hospital. it's very easy to say never again. but to face up to the angry mob and say, no, you're incorrect. i hate to tell you, it was the other team. that is unbelievable moral courage. my big hope, if you think about the world that these students are in as they watch congress people like talib spout the blood liable and refuse to take it back and you think about the unbelievable moral clarity president biden has had. there are unbelievable examples for our students to learn from right now. >> in effect, she doubled down on that claim at a rally later in the day yesterday. from israel's point of view, i

was watching you listen to the interview with eli bier. the emotion is raw. the world feels your anguish and pain, but we can never understand it from the perspective that you have. what can you say to an american audience about how israels are feeling? >> my own three children are in the army as we speak. i want to share with you that the entire israeli society is deployed to this war, whether on the home front command or on the front, fighting what continues to be this onslaught, this war that began on october 7th. something very, very important and eli weisel was a friend of our family, but that never again understanding. never again is now. never again understands that the very same anti-semitism that

fuelled the massacre of october 7th, the covenant of hamas, calls for the murder of jews. that was enabled by anti-semitism, but it is also the same anti-semitism that ables or excuses or justifies the atrocities, the war crimes, the crimes against humanity that we saw right here in protests in new york, in protests all over the world on campuses and social media. we have to be very clear. there would be no one that would call for a cease fire with nazis. there would be no one that would spout or peddle the information given to them by nazis as fact-checked information. there would be nobody that would say i am a nazi in protest in new york city holding up signs. anybody who holds up those signs

that say i am hamas is holding up a sign saying i am isis, just like september 11th was the day we will never forget right near this city and just like nobody would hold up a sign saying i am a nazi. that moral clarity and courage that has to be not only by the president of the united states but by every single individual that recognizes that this is an assault on our shared humanity. it is war on our civilization. it may be the jewish nation state that is now on the front, but we are all on the front line. that is why i got on this plane, to make that urgent call and to make this as relevant as possible to those that think that the world maybe will go back to what it was before october 7th, but it can't. >> we were discussing everything going on in this country and as you put it the masks have come

off. people who may have cloaked their anti-semitism now are outright putting it on full display, members of congress, campus groups. you have new york city police officers in tactical gear because they need to be. and there are protests of israel, who are just the victims of a horrible terrorist attack. how do you fight that? >> we have a very deep corruption, unfortunately, in our universities in this country. for a long time people have wondered what is it that's ultimately blocking peace in the middle east. one thing we know is there is still hate being taught in palestinian textbooks. you have to generation being raised on hate. the sad truth is it's not just there. it's happening here. you have professors such as at cornell and columbia, yale that are celebrating this, saying it was an extraordinary day, it was awesome, it was exhilarating. you have student bodies like at

harvard where 30 to 40 student groups were determined to only blame israel for what's going on. the thought this is happening after so many years of social justice movements awakening in this country where the very same jewish people that marched for black lives matter are like how sit possible that these people who we stood with are blaming the victim? blaming the victim is the one big thing you are not supposed to do. here we are in that state. this is going to have to be a wakeup call. significant donors are reevaluating their relationships to these universities, because they want to know what happened here and why is my money supporting hatred against the jewish people. >> there's already in recent years a rise in hate crimes and anti-semitism here in the united states, also in europe around around the globe. what is your level of concern that hatred could only increase as the situation in the middle east deteriorates and the war

gets even hotter? >> it is increasing. we see jews targeted in their homes. with acts of protests calling for this violence against jews right here in new york city. i want to say there is a definition of anti-semitism. it's the international holocaust international alliance definition. it is critical that we recognize and hold to account and understand that the modern strain of anti-semitism, an ever mutating virus that enabled the atrocities of the holocaust and of october 7th, anti-zionism is anti-semitism. all of those institutions, all of those law enforcement mechanisms, all of those capable of understanding, universities have to be able to not just say we are committed to combat anti-semitism, because you can't

combat something without first defining it. anti-semitism, an ever mutating virus, has enabled this form of anti-zionism to enable not only attacks but legitimatization on campuses and online spaces. it is a call to action. you cannot identify or combat anything without first defining it. the masks are off in every realm for all of us. it is clear that anti-zionism and the lack of acceptance of israel's right to exist in any borders is the modern mainstream form of anti-semitism that we have to identify and combat together. >> we don't have to wonder what hamas' goal is. they put it right in the charter, the elimination of the state of israel. thank you both so much for being

here. we really appreciate it. and coming up, congressman jim jordan continues his push to win the house speaker's gavel even after losing efforts two days in a row with his votes coming down. we'll take a look at his chances in a third vote that is supposed to happen later today and break down another option that is gaining bipartisan support. that is just ahead on "morning joe." that is just ahead on "morning joe. hi, my name is damion clark. if you have both medicare and medicaid, i

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48 past the hour. the house of representatives remains without a permanent leader this morning after congressman jim jordan lost his second vote in pursuit of the speaker's gavel. jordan received just 199 votes yesterday, the first time in nearly a century that a majority party's nominee for speaker has failed to get 200 votes. despite his two losses as well as losing more votes yesterday

than in the first round, the ohio congressman is vowing to continue his bid, telling reporters there will be another vote today. joining us now, democratic congressman pat ryan of new york, vice ranking member of the house armed services committee. he's also an army veteran, having served two tours of duty in iraq. good to have you. >> thank you so much for being here. thank you for your service to america. we greatly appreciate it. i'm curious your reaction to the fact that in the middle of war in the middle east, war in eastern europe, you ever a republican party that still hasn't been able to elect a speaker, and now they're looking, the majority of them are looking to a guy who's a known january the 6th insurrectionist, and a guy who in his 16th year in congress hasn't passed a single bill. >> that is just the tip of the

iceberg of jim jordan's dangerousness and ineptitude. as you were saying that, mika, i was shaking my head. the moment we're in, one of the most dangerous, volatile moments in my lifetime, we see the maga republicans doubling down, tripling down on the most extreme, most divisive, most dangerous candidate. this is exactly what our adversaries and enemies want. it's what putin's been pushing for. it's now what hamas and iran are pushing for, and we need to wake up and come together as patriots. this is a really, really -- it's a dangerous time and i'm -- i'm getting pissed off. it's not what we're here to do. we need to get our act together. >> so congressman, to be clear, this is the republicans who in the house have created this chaos. but some of them are looking at the democrats to help. what would you say to this idea that's gaining some momentum of the current temporary speaker patrick mchenry moving

officially into that role or having his current powers expanded to at least get some things done, particularly in this time of crisis. >> i've been calling publicly, working behind the scenes for weeks to try to create some kind of bipartisan path forward here. leader hakeem jeffries has been doing the same. we've heard the talk. we've heard the empty promises. if they want to get serious and come forward with some real offer. we are open to that. i am open that, but we've just not seen that so far, and it is a grave, as you said, disservice to the american people. with the same majority last congress, we passed the bipartisan infrastructure law, we passed the chips act to bring manufacturing jobs to my district, the hudson valley and across the country. it is unacceptable that this is how they're leading the country right now. >> congressman, good morning. so many of the people that we're talking about that are holding

up this process of getting a speaker of the house and getting business moving again, as you have learned from being there are just show men and women, they're doing this for attention and clicks and hits on talk shows and the rest of it. as someone who has actually really served and as someone who came to washington, i believe, to get things done. how eye opening, how frustrating has this last year or so been for you? >> yeah, i've had this conversation with my wife and other friends, as somebody who loves this country and genuinely believes we need more patriot, looking around here, there are not a lot of them. we desperately need more folks to have that bigger picture. the tremendous dysfunction and division and failure here, it erodes trust in our democracy at the most critical time when the world is looking to us, when the american people are looking to us. so i am still an optimistic or else i wouldn't be here, but we've got to call on patriots to

step forward. we might be at a moment, i think, i think we're getting closer where a few republicans will have the courage to step forward, whether they join and support hakeem jeffries, which is certainly what i would call for or whether we can craft a real unity government that the moment demands that we do. >> all right, democratic congressman pat ryan of new york, thank you for being here. >> the congressman's so right, talking about being in poland on the 80th anniversary, commemoration of the warsaw uprising and having an auschwitz survivor stand up and say you americans don't understand. we were all watching on january the 6th and when you won, you won for all of us and so a lot of times we think, oh, this is just sort of an intermural battle and they're fighting for us, and this is something that maybe bloggers are talking about and podcasters and cable news.

no, the whole world is watching right now and -- >> which is why jim jordan as speaker would be -- >> i so hope, i so hope that patriots will step up. >> step up. >> in the republican party and will figure out a way forward out of this mess. we have to support our allies across the globe, china, russia, iran, north korea, they're all laughing at us right now, and they're all cheering this chaos on. >> we'll be right back with more "morning joe." with skyrizi to treat my skin and joints, i'm getting into my groove. ♪(uplifting music)♪ along with significantly clearer skin... skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi 90% clearer skin

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as we've been discussing this morning, president biden now back in the united states after his trip to tel aviv and will address the nation tonight from the oval office, jonathan lemire, what do we expect to hear? he's going to make the case to americans why u.s. national security is so dependent upon supporting israel and ukraine, joe and mika, during this time of crisis.

>> what a time of crisis and as willie said at the beginning of our show four hours ago, this is also a time that our enemies, people that consider the united states to be their enemies, let me say it that way, the leader of communist china and vladimir putin, the foreign minister of russia and kim jong-un, the leaders of hamas and iran coming together. we need a united states of america. we need patriots of all party and a working congress. >> that does it for us this morning, ana cabrera and josé diaz-balart pick up the coverage right now. ahead this hour on special coverage of the israel hamas war, new air strikes in gaza this morning with israel resuming its intense bombardment. >> president biden preparing to give a prime time speech to the nation, more on that the and new deal he announced