welcome to the second hour of "chris jansing reports" live at msnbc headquarters in new york, and right now, about 115 minutes since the house gavelled out for recess. no solution in the speaker stalemate, but just in the last 30 minutes, since we last spoke about this, a lot has changed and we're getting a new glimpse into just how high tensions are behind closed doors within the republican conference. here's what happened. moments ago, republican congressman matt gaetz confirmed that former speaker kevin mccarthy yelled at him in that gop conference meeting. >> passions are a little inflamed, i think he's working through the stages of grief. >> did congressman lunge at you as well?

>> i think he was pretty animated. i don't know if i would describe it as a lunge. i said having a speaker light is a bad idea. i think republicans ought to stay in the conference until we elect a speaker. i think we have a lot of great folks. i'm supporting jim jordan. that will be how it goes. >> okay. kevin mccarthy, you can see him, he's speaking to reporters right now. this is a live picture. in response to what we just heard from gaetz, he said gaetz tried to interrupt him while he was speaking, and he told him to sit down. we learned today congressman jim jordan, who failed to get enough votes to claim the gavel for himself is now backing a plan to temporarily empower interim speaker patrick mchenry until january, but right now, it's unclear when exactly that could come to a vote or if all republicans in the conference will even consider supporting it. you just heard what matt gaetz said, he called him speaker light, so that's a no.

andrew clyde tweeted this. no coalition government with radical democrats. joining us now, nbc's ali vitali on capitol hill, former republican congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania is here, and brendan buck, former aide to house speakers paul ryan and john boehner, he's an msnbc political analyst. i mean, i understand that tensions are high. sounds like tempers are high as well. what do we know about what happened here? >> the tension and tempers are aren't new. we're seeing it spill over once again behind closed doors behind kevin mccarthy and the man who started this entire thing, congressman matt gaetz, the person who three weeks ago motioned to vacate the chair. he ended up giving seven colleagues on board with him, which put us in this lengthy situation, which is confusion is queen over here. i have to tell you as much as we

have been talking between democrats and republicans, people trying to figure out if there's some kind of a bipartisan path forward on a resolution that would empower the speaker pro tem, one key member just left the republican meeting, and speaking to my colleague scott wong said reading the room, i think this thing is dead. the thing is the empowering mchenry bid. it was never going to be easy to sell this among republicans. it's not clear that this is 100% nail in the coffin on capitol hill. democrats are waiting to see language on a resolution before they say they're going to vote for this. many republicans have come out and said what the tone and tenor of the tweets were that you mentioned. also some are concerned about the precedent it sets like congressman mike gallagher. listen to what he told us. >> i still have concerns about the constitutional precedent as well as i would say the practical effect, you know.

i worry that it might inflame tensions. i think it is sincere. i had a long talk with david joyce. i worry that it might exacerbate the divide we see in the caucus right now. >> reporter: you hear gallagher saying it might further exacerbate the divides within the conference. i'm not sure how that could happen. just to be sure how we're getting information, this is what it looks like. members coming down the hallway, and reporters asking all the questions we can, to get a sense of what the lawmakers are talking about in the room. it is extremely chaotic. it's a moment where information is trickling out little by little, and frankly where none of the members are the only person who can speak to what's actually happening. they're not the only ones calling the play. every individual has their own view of what should happen next here, and it truly is an environment of herding cats. >> get back to us, i'm sure

you're going to talk to more people want brendan, i mean, i couldn't agree more with her. how do you exacerbate this divide? it's pretty broad. you have concern about a constitutional precedent. you have andrew clyde tweeting about coalition governments with a radical democrat, and you heard what matt gaetz had to say, does this sound dead to you or could it still be saved? >> i wouldn't call it dead yet. >> the final nail isn't in the coffin, yeah. >> it's not surprising that the people on the far right is a good idea. anything that gives democrats power takes power from them. where does your power come from, where are you relevant. it is completely foreign to anyone in the conference to give up any power to the minority. the house of representatives is a completely institution. >> there's a big difference

between the slim majority and a real majority. >> nobody wants to hear what matt gaetz has to say about this situation. he's the person that caused this. and people will get really heated. they need a few more days to vent all of this before they realize, look, the alternative here is finding 217 votes for a republican. great, let's do that. we have demonstrated that's not really possible. at some point they'll have to come to the conclusion this doesn't work. doesn't mean they're going to like it. doesn't mean they're going to cause lots of approximate for mchenry or jordan or whoever it may be. i want to remind people, there's a path ahead. now, that gets procedural difficult. there will be votes on the floor, whether that's allowed. i think the constitutionality is not in question. the speaker pro tem can do things, and they have done things in the past. a resolution for support for

israel. that's next step if this doesn't workment. >> i'm going to ask the control room it check me on this. the last thing he said was the best thing for the american people was it to elect -- for republicans to elect a speaker, that's not really on the table right now, congressman, so tell me how you see this scenario right now? >> i largely agree with my friend brendan. you're witnessing a deeply fractured house republican conference. up to this point or up until yesterday, it was always, you know, the hard liners would make these demands and hold their breath and wait for everybody else to turn blue. what happened over the last two days, though, the fight was joined by what i would call very serious pragmatics, some might

call centrist members. mike simpson, steve womack, these are serious players who said they are not going to vote for jim jordan and reward bad conduct of those who want to burn the place down, and so now the fight is joined. you have a wing on the right, you know, led by matt gaetz that, you know, wants to take the house i think in a very bad direction, and these others who want to get back to governing, and so that's where they are right now. so obviously empowering mchenry, i think would be ideal. whether he can do it on his own or not, i'm not sure, but at least it's worth a try. now, with respect to bipartisan governance, that may be the only option they have. i know this is foreign to members of the house but it's been done in various states. look, you can come up with a power sharing arrangement whereby, similar to what the senate did at the start of the last session where it was split 50/50. in this case, republicans would

control the chairmanships but you would have the committees spit evenly. they would have to negotiate that with the democrats at some point. there needs to be a conversation, and who leads that conversation, there is no speaker. the majority leader isn't the speaker pro tem mchen rhode island -- mchenry. it's clear, republicans don't have 217 among themselves for any one of their members. it's empowering mchenry or coming up with this bipartisan arrangement with somebody else. i don't see any other way out. and maybe what brendan said is the right thing, to let mchenry start acting as speaker and see how that plays out. >> i guess the question really is and i'll start with you, brendan. we heard from ken buck, and he said, look, you have somebody who still wants to run in the interim who doesn't have 217 votes and will never get to 217

votes. how much -- who has the power here to direct where this is going? >> yeah, well, nobody right now, but i'm glad you brought that up. that's an interesting dynamic. let me point to the different problem here. obviously we know the far right doesn't like this. there is also a bit of a catch 22 with jim jordan's decision to stick around. you have democrats who are looking at this and saying, hold on a second, and moderate republicans, too, now, you're already hearing grumbling from the people who don't like jordan, hold on a second, he needs to step down. he can't remain as our speaker designee, keeping him at the leadership table making him a shadow speaker. that doesn't work for us. we're not going to empower mchenry when jordan is calling the shots. if he steps down, maybe jordan no longer has an incentive to be for the plan. maybe jordan pivots, i no longer like this plan either. jordan being at the table causes

problems. jordan walking away also causes problems. >> loved having you here brendan buck, i know you've got a train to chasm. catch. thank you, former congressman charlie dent great to have you here as well. sidney powell pled guilty in the georgia election interference case. laura jarrett is here to break down that breaking story for us. trump's attorney said quote, assuming truthful testimony in the fulton county case, it will be favorable to my overall defense strategy. how is a guilty plea a good thing for donald trump when prosecutors have said she'll testify for them as part of the plea deal? >> that's hard to square, chris, it's hard to see how this is anything short of devastating to the former president's legal defense when this is a person who is there for critical meetings where they're discussing, according to prosecutors, how to overturn the last election. as a part of this agreement, not only has powell agreed to plead

guilty but she's agreed to write a letter of apology to the voters of georgia, to hand over documents to prosecutors, and of course as you mentioned, to testify against the former president as well as any other codefendants, and she has to do that truthfully or prosecutors could pull the deal. of course she was facing 5 to 20 years in prison for these allegations, some serious charges, and she must have given them something pretty significant because now she's only facing six years, chris, in probation. >> can you give us a better idea of what you mean by pretty significant? >> you know, she's there for some critical meetings, including one that happened around december, after the election had taken place, and it was at that meeting where the former president actually considered tapping her to be special counsel to investigate voter fraud so now she'll be questioned about what exactly he knew, what exactly he said, and all of that will come at a trial, and this is happening just as she was set to go to

trial there in georgia. >> laura jarrett, always good to have you on the show. thank you so much. >> sure. why critical relief is still stranded in egypt, awaiting the thousands of people trapped in gaza at the rafah border crossing. we're live in israel in 60 seconds. n israel in 60 seconds. of listerine to your r. new science shows listerine is 5x more effective than floss at reducing plaque above the gumline. for a cleaner, healthier mouth. ahhhhh. listerine. feel the whoa! every day, more dog people are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food.

with food and medical supplies running desperately low inside the gaza strip, president biden announced a key deal with egypt to get limited aid in gaza. take a look at the scene inside one hospital where the situation is so dire doctors are carrying out critical operations with only the use of that small, mobile light. here's what one of them told "the associated press." >> we are in very difficult situation. it's catastrophic. it's terrible. no words can describe it. >> no words can describe it. i want to bring in nbc's raf

sanchez in ashdot, israel. do we know what the holdup is? >> reporter: no movement yet, chris. we don't know exactly what the hold up is. the white house is appealing for patience. they are hoping the crossing will be opened by tomorrow. that aid will be flowing in from egypt. that palestinian americans and others may be able to get out of gaza, get to somewhere safe. but, chris, for the 2 million palestinian civilians many of whom have been displaced from their homes following that israeli evacuation order, their frustration is mounting, their sense that they had been abandoned by the world is mounting. i have been speaking to a young mother. her name is jumana, her baby daughter sophia turned 2 on the fourth day of the war, and i want you to listen to a clip from her. she really gives voice to the desperation that so many people are feeling inside gaza right now. >> until now, we don't know really, actually, we don't know

what will happen to us. can you imagine? we don't know what will happen to our life in the upcoming hours, and we are losing our lives, we are losing everything. we don't have to leave our children. we don't have to feed all of these confusing feelings, and these terrifying feelings. we have to open the path to let help enter gaza for people here, for civilians. understand this. >> reporter: and, chris, jumana is just one of so many parents who are desperately trying to give their children some sense

of safety. for a 2-year-old like her daughter sophia, that child is living through a major war now, but she's lived through several smaller rounds of fighting inside gaza already. there is just a sense as a parent that you can predict nothing. there is no move you can make that you know will result in safety for your child. and it is a heartbreaking situation for parents like jumana and so many others across gaza. >> unimaginable. raf, i also understand that the israeli defense minister just told troops that they would soon see gaza from, and this is a quote, the inside. what details do we have about what could come next? >> reporter: yeah, chris, the israeli defense minister, a couple of miles south of us here meeting israeli troops signaling yet again that a ground invasion looming. the question is when. and it has turned into something of a diplomatic guessing game here. the conventional wisdom is that the israelis are unlikely to

launch a ground invasion while there's a western leader in town. we had president biden here yesterday. british prime minister rishi sunak is here today. we expect emmanuel macron to be here in the coming days. it may be that the israelis surprise everyone announce the ground incursion is going on while a foreign leader is here. i can tell you, we have now for ten days or so seen masses of israeli armor, tanks, moving to the south, getting into position on the border and a lot of concern about what's going on in the north where cross border fighting, hezbollah, the iranian backed group, and hamas is intensifying. it's at its worst violence we have seen since the 2006 war, and there's a lot of concern that when israel goes into gaza as we expect they will, it could end facing a second front in the

north. chris. >> raf sanchez, thank you p thank you so much for that. fierce debate at the united nations which is one of the only places where palestinian representatives are in the same space. the security council yesterday failed to pass a binding resolution, calling for humanitarian corridors into gaza and a pause in the fighting. the u.s. vetoed that measure because it makes no mention of israel's right to defend itself. here's what israeli and palestinian diplomats had to say after that vote. >> calling for calm, restraint and cease fires is like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound. such stabs will not eradicate the cancer that is hamas. humanitarian corridors will not prevent the next atrocity. we demand an apology. >> those who did not or cannot call for a cease fire will lose any credibility, any authority,

and share some of the responsibility for the devastation that is occurring now. >> nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell joins us now. andrea, what more can you tell us about both the international response to the war but also what role, if any, the u.n. could actually play going forward? >> the u.n. could play a very important role with peace keepers. they have had a u.n. force in the region for decades and decades along the syrian border, so that is something that could be in play. they could end up ruling gaza if hamas were removed. there is definitely a u.n. role. right now the u.n. and the u.s. are not on the same page. this was such a rare division of the security council, chris. you saw russia and france voting for something with the u.s. vetoing can.

i was talking to a french official about this just last night who said that it is unusual, but the u.s.'s position is that there should not be a cease fire or a resolution that does not mention israel's right to defend itself, and that's what linda thomas-greenfield, our ambassador made clear. that is the american position. right now, the secretary general, the u.n. secretary general in egypt with the egyptian foreign minister has called for a cease fire. that's the u.n. secretary general's position, and it is in disagreement with america right now. the u.s., the administration is in an awkward position because they want to get the aid in, they have been the chief proponent of getting the aid in. they thought they had a deal with israel yesterday, that israel was satisfied about the conditions to get aid in, that israeli had a justifiable concern, a legitimate concern, matt miller, the state department spokesperson said a few minutes ago, a legitimate concern that the aid would be diverted for hamas and its warriors, not for the people who

need it. they were work ongoing that. david satterfield, one of our diplomats is work ongoing that very intensely. the egyptians have not let the aid go in. it's a three-way deal, israel, egypt, the u.s. bargaining and hamas getting a vote because they have to of course behave according to the rules being said, and no one believes that they will, and that is the reason why everyone is so skeptical. egypt is concerned that there will be terrorists who get through, and who is going to make sure that weapons and other things don't get through the other way if the aid goes in or that it will be diverted. it's just enormously complicated, and a lot of frustration in washington at the white house, and the state department that this has not happened. on saturday morning, they said there was an agreement. they thought it certainly would have been place by sunday, and still all of these days later,

the aid's not getting in. i talked today to doctors without border, the head of that in geneva, and she said it is absolutely dire conditions. they have more than 300 medical workers trying to get out, some of them, and trying to get in, and nothing's happening. >> yeah, when you see doctors trying to treat people with the light of a cell phone, you understand the incredible obstacles they're facing. an amazing interview, andrea. and i appreciate you coming on the show. andrea mitchell, thank you. how did the rocket interception system fail during the worst surprise attack in modern history. former deputy commander of u.s. demand joins me next. demand joins me next

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news on several fronts right now, and we have more back at the house. this potential compromise we have been telling you about to keep congressman patrick mchenry in the speaker's job at least for now looks like it might be dead. nbc's ali vitali just broke this story. what are you hearing, ali? >> reporter: we're hearing exactly what you said that all of these conversations around empowering speaker mchenry in a bipartisan fashion may be over before they've even hit the house floor, at least on the republican side, lawmakers have literally used the phrase with us, this thing seems dead just by reading the room in their

closed door gop conference huddle. and that's not just one member saying that to us. that's five or six key members talking to our team here in the hallway on the record saying that given the dynamics within the republican conference right now, they don't think that they can get the votes together to put this on the floor and have it actually succeed. now, you can use whatever reference here you want for reincarnation, because here in the house, nothing is ever dead, and nothing is ever dead for real. it's spooky season, or what is dead may never die. pick your reference, chris, it could be reincarnated. at the same time, and as we see someone like matt gaetz here, congressman, is the resolution to empower mchenry dead at this point. >> it won't be offered by republicans based on speaker jordan's announcement moments ago. i think that's a good thing. the house of representatives needs a speaker, not a speaker light. i don't support using temporary powers for mr. mchenry, and i'm glad our arguments seem to be persuasive to our colleagues. >> reporter: jordan seemed to

back this as his next strategy to give himself the time to cobble together more votes. this is something he's backed? >> i like jim jordan, i'm voting for jim jordan, but i don't agree with him on every subject, and i don't agree that what would be best for the house of representatives is a temporary speaker pro tem. i think we need to elect a speaker. we've got great folks in our conference. jim jordan sits atop that list, and i look forward to voting for him again today. >> reporter: one last question, how icy was in that room. i heard it got pretty intense. >> i'm not for everyone, as it turns out. i have my detractors, i'm an attorney by trade. i don't get emotional about the presentation of arguments and listening to other people's arguments, doesn't affect how i think about people. i was there to make the substantiative argument that speaker light is a bad idea, just like bud light, but i far prefer us continuing to have votes going forward, and you know, when i hold out with speaker mccarthy, we had goals. we had specific things we were fighting for.

i think a reasonable question to those holding out and not voting for jordan, what are you fighting for? what are your goals? what are your objectives here other than recall sa trance. >> reporter: the conversations behind closed doors, you have people furious at gaetz for the motion to vacate, for putting these republicans lawmakers, frankly, in the position that they're in right now. clearly gaetz is holding fast and not deterred in any of his actions, even though we know that the reception that he got in that room has been one of frustration from his colleagues. but i do think that the important thing here is as much as most of the members that i've talked to, my colleague scott wang, all of us have talked to members who say the resolution to empower mchenry is dead. that being said, our own colleague kyle stewart just in the last 90 seconds or so spoke to moderate republican who said

wait a minute, this isn't dead yet. it's unclear at this point, but i would be surprised given the conversations that i've had to see this resolution come forward on the floor, at least at this point. >> but it does beg the question, ali, who's steering this ship because as you pointed out we're listening to matt gaetz, he's somebody who voted for jim jordan. jim jordan still thinks somehow he can be speaker, still thinks he can get the vote, and then you have, let's not forget, patrick mchenry, who you spoke with, right? and he's like a no. he said i want to see jim jordan as speaker. >> reporter: mchenry has been consistent on that, too, chris saying that his job is not to talk to democrats or find a way to empower himself. his job is to elect the next speaker of the house. mchenry says his job is to elect

jim jordan. it doesn't seem like he wants the job of being an empowered speaker pro tem, b, like he's having fun. brendan buck has talked with you and i about this, too. mchenry has not been lusting for the speaker job. i'm not sure anymore why anyone in this conference would want this gig. nevertheless, jordan is trying to stay in. the whole point, again, of backing a resolution to empower mchenry for a short period of time, whether it's until the government funding deadline or through the end of the year, the whole point of that for jordan and his allies were to give him the time to cobble together the 217 votes he needs. he's between 20 and 24 votes shy of that right now. conversations take time. building trust is more of it. time is a thing they don't have much of and it's a finite resource, but jordan was trying to buy himself time with this. frankly, democrats i'm still talking to, chris, they want to see a resolution. one of the things that i asked byron donalds about just in the

last few minutes was, hey, have you seen the resolution to empower mchenry that all of us are talking about? he said only a handful of republicans have seen it. democrats are interested in what that has to say. it doesn't sound like according to what donalds was told it was anything that revolutionary. it says what we have been talking about, let's bring empower mchenry to bring legislation to the floor so the house can function, and it will be done by x date, whether, again, it's november or january. that resolution doesn't sound like it's overly incendiary, but the very notion of republicans having to come together with democrats is enough to keep some republicans off the side loins, and i don't know where that leaves them. >> and patrick mchenry may not want the job but as brendan buck and you and i all know his old boss paul ryan didn't want the job either, and we know where that went. the only thing i'm going to commit to is that none of us knows what's going to happen

next. we'll get back to you if there's more information. thank you for that breaking news. much appreciated, ali vitali. let's turn back to overseas, the sound of air-raid sirens, long familiar to israelis have become a near constant presence lately with hamas firing thousands of rockets from gaza in recent days. most of the rockets are intercepted by israel's vaunted iron dome. it's a system of radar and missile batteries tracks projectiles. on october 7th, the system was over overwhelmed by the ferocity of the attack. >> reporter: much of the fighting in this war has been in the skies overhead. day and night. where israel has a massive advantage, but hamas has launched thousands of rockets. some say israel's iron dome is the world's best defense against

missiles. we were given access to see it up close. >> that's one of the batteries that makes up the system. this technology was developed by israel and the way it works is that when a rocket is fired from gaza, that battery right there launches another missile that clashes midair, making sure the people in the country stay safe. >> reporter: the system is a combination of a radar unit monitoring the skies and the direction of the incoming missile. a control center, determining if that rocket will strike a population center and a battery, able to launch dozens of missiles that can destroy an enemy rocket launched from up to 43 miles away. >> last about ten days, hamas has launched over 6,500 rockets. >> reporter: 6,500 rockets? >> over. thousands of casualties, unbelievable destruction, injuries, we would be living in a very different reality. >> reporter: hamas can't match israel's fire power, but training videos published online

show they are stocked with rockets and in 2020, this video shows them digging up pipes to convert them into projectiles. israel says the iron dome is 90% effective, but during the attacks on october 7th, hamas overwhelmed the system. most of the time the iron dome works but there are rare occasions when rocket fired are so many that a few get through. >> this couple was home when the rocket hit. >> reporter: what has the rocket barrage been like? they say the missiles come like rain, and they wouldn't be here without the iron dome. tom llamas, nbc news, tel aviv. i want to bring in steph twitty, former deputy commander of u.s.-european command and msnbc military analyst, always good to see you. of all the things the u.s. has sent israel, how critical are these iron dome batteries? >> they actually, as you take a

look at this, the most critical thing that we can continue to send them, and what we're sending them are the interceptors, the missiles. as you know, the iron dome system is an israeli made system, and i just like to state, it is one of the best systems in the world. and your anchor there was correct, the system was overwhelmed and let's keep in mind on the day of the attack, over 2,000 missiles were shot. 97% of those missiles were intercepted by the iron dome, and so some got through, yes, but we also got to keep in mind that the residue or the debris once you shoot those incoming missiles can also have a significant impact on the public as well. >> there's another big development we are watching closely, which is the u.s. moving military assets, including that aircraft carrier strike groups, elite units of

marines and sailors to the region. this is an effort to deter hezbollah, iran, others from taking advantage of the chaotic situation right now. based on what you have seen on the border of lebanon, and what you have heard from teheran, is that going to be enough? >> i think it will, but we also have to keep in mind, there are other u.s. interests in the middle east that we sometimes forget about. we have troops in syria. we have troops in iraq. we have troops in bahrain, troops in qatar, troops in kuwait, and now you're having troops in the mediterranean, you're going to have them in the red sea, and so those are u.s. interests that we must protect, and so this fire power is not only a deterrent, but is also to ensure that our other u.s. interests are protected while we go through this volatile time. >> lieutenant general steph twitty, thank you so much. violence in the middle east is having ripple effects here at home. i want to play for you what attorney general merrick garland

had to say just this morning. >> we are seeing an increase in reported threats against faith communities, prl jewish, musl, and arab and nbc news has new utions. reporting that pro hamas extremists and neo-nazis are flooding social media with calls for violence against jewish communities and other targets across the u.s. and europe. the department of homeland security has sent a joint intelligence bulletin to state and local law enforcement warning them of a heightened threat environment. nbc's tom costello is following all of this for us. also with me, former fbi special agent and msnbc national security analyst, clint watts. tom, what do we know about authorities in the u.s. ramping up security, what's the latest you're hearing on this? >> here's the bulletin, and i'm going to read you two critical paragraphs. number one, we have observed

they say, an increase in threats to these communities, specifically jewish communities, including reports of physical assaults, bomb threats, online calls for mass casualty events and homeland security and the fbi, says that loan offenders inspired by or reacting to the ongoing israel-hamas conflict pose the most likely threat to americans, especially jewish americans, muslim, and arab communities across the country. as a result of that, we have seen major police departments nationwide ramping up their security posture, every nypd officer in new york is now in uniform. they have curtailed training. they have also stepped up patrols here in washington, d.c. for two weeks now. they've dramatically increased patrols in and around synagogues. it is a situation to kind of go off of what you are hearing there from the attorney general. the flooding the zone propaganda, pro hamas situation that has been online, and even making its way on to twitter or x, despite the fact that it is

supposed to be banned. we now know that more than 16 million views on twitter, specifically of pro hamas violence and depicting what has happened in israel alone. their biggest concern as they represent here in this e-mail is that a loan wolf, a loan actor, who might be at home getting radicalized online, and nobody is aware of it outside of that home, that they may pose a significant risk that they are not aware of any credible, organized threat at the moment against the homeland or against new york but the lone wolf that might pose a serious threat. >> 60 million views just on one platform. tom costello, thank you so much. so clinlt, what does our experience tell us about social media or violence on social

media turning into actual violence? >> the more we hear violent terms, the more likable to see violence. you could date this back to the late 2000s, the key way to think about this, there are two dimensions to the terrorist threat. one is the top down directed type of attacks. you might remember hamas about a week ago, they were calling for a day of global jihad, trying to inspire a larger audience to undergo an attack. it's quite unlikely they have significant organized plots planned. what we have seen more of and what tom was referring to is really just what we need to be on alert for, and i'm sure nypd is reacting to, when there's calls for violent, even when it isn't direct allegiance, there's often times someone around the

world responding to mediated terrorism, the throwing out of an idea over the internet, over television, trying to stoke people to move towards violence, and they are picking their own targets potentially, but also doing it under the banner of a larger ideology and cause. when we see conflicts like this, it's natural to see these types of triggers. all law enforcement and homeland security will be on high alert and i think it will go on for quite some time. >> talk about high alert from a law enforcement presence. obviously with so much social media traffic determining who might be a credible threat is needle in a hay stack in many ways. beside flooding the zone and being very visible, clint, what can be done? >> yeah, i think law enforcement knows to start with the most prolific actors that are out there and focus on them first. if they have cases that are already underway, possibly investigations they have been doing. they double down on those because those might be the first

people to undertake an attack. i think secondly it is looking for open source signals, things in social media that move beyond vague threats. is an individual a place, a target being picked? are there specifics being thrown out in terms of what kind of violence should be executed and looking at things like operational planning and material support. do you see them reaching out to identify places to get weapons, we have seen this in many cases or asking a larger community, what's the best place to attack. that's the next step. that's just not discussion around motivations, that's actually plotting, planning, and doing things like recon sans, and rehearsals. >> clint watts, good to see you, unfortunately it's always in situations like this. thank you, my friend, appreciate you coming on the program. still ahead, how are democrats feeling about a potential speaker mchenry. i'll ask congressman steny hoyer of maryland. he joins me next. joins me next

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>> we made the pitch to members on the resolution as a way to lower the temperature and get back to work. we decided that wasn't where we were going to go. i'm still running for speaker, and i plan to go to the floor, and get the votes, and win this race. but i want to go talk with a few of my colleagues, particularly i want to talk with the 20 individuals who voted against me so that we can move forward and begin to work for the american people. >> so if extending mchenry is dead, who's the leader, congressman, of house republicans right now? is it jim jordan, is it patrick mchenry, is it kevin mccarthy, and how much of a problem is it for this country if there's no clear answer to that question? >> i don't think there's a clear answer. being a leader means you get people to follow you, and obviously the leadership was for trying to stabilize the congress

and allowing the congress to work on behalf of the people. and apparently they just had a conference, their caucus or chaos, i might say, that was unable reach agreement, and one of the sad things for the country is, the party that is deeply divided, divisive and dysfunctional has more members than the democratic party, which is clearly very organized and unanimous in its view of where we need to go on the vote for speaker. and it's ironic that mr. jordan, who has been a leader of the most divisive faction of the republican party, not just of the congress, but the republican party is now saying, well, we didn't do what i wanted to do. we can't get his followers to do that. it's clear that there is not a leader who commands the majority on the other party.

there is a leader who has the united unanimoussupport. as a matter of fact, its had it 17 times this year voted on unanimously that could do that. but what is really, i think, very sad, we have had bipartisan constructive votes this year in the past. we did it on a agreement on what the spending levels were going to be and how we would move forward on the appropriation process, and not default on our debt. over 300 people who voted for that bill. we did it in keeping the government open. when minority republicans in the vote, but majority of republicans voted for that. and all but one democrat voted for that. it's not as if we have not been able to construct what i call constructed majority, but it is that we have a willful, angry, as a matter of fact, chip roy,

one of the leaders of the most conservative element of the congress, some would say extreme said he was violently against having an interim speaker or a temporary speaker and the person of mr. mchenry, violently against. >> if the republicans are leaderless now, congressman, are the democrats powerless here? give us some insights into the discussions happening within your caucus. have you seen, for example, did you see the resolution on patrick mchenry, who are you talking to on the republican side? is there any talking going on? >> there's talking. i'm not going to talk about the specifics, but i guarantee there is talking going on between republican members and democratic members. i think some of the leadership on both side. clearly, however, though i think

our caucus, ready to follow our leader and the decision he might make as to whether this is in the best interest of the country, in moving ahead on a bipartisan fashion, which he has said over and over and over again, we're prepared to do, but not only that, the three instances that i mentioned, the debt limit, the agreement on how to go forward with the appropriations process, and keeping the government open, were all bipartisan votes. as a matter of fact, the large part of it were democratic votes. so that there is a way forward. there is talking going on. but you have such an angry, divided membership in the republican conference right now that apparently they cannot get agreement on what their leaders if jordan is a leader, he sure didn't lead on this one. >> let me ask because we are literally out of time, congressman hoyer. i do want to ask you, even if you don't want to name names, if

you're speaking with republicans, if folks on your side are having conversations with republicans, are they republicans who can get anything done? or are these conversations, frankly, almost pointless? >> well, chris, it speaks for itself that we haven't seen somebody who could get something done on the republican side of the aisle. so are we speaking to republicans? we are. we hope we find somebody who can come to an agreement and have that agreement supported by a majority of the republicans because we'll support it on our side with the majority of democrats. maybe unanimously. that may not be the case but a large number of democrats, so it is very worrisome, very harmful to the country. we can come together in a bipartisan way and move forward. we should do that for the country. we should do it for the crisis that could confront our country and the global community, and we should do it for every american. >> congressman steny hoyer on a very busy day.

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good to be back with you. i'm katy tur. well, guys, we have got some breaking news on capitol hill. the plan to empower speaker