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tv   Katy Tur Reports  MSNBC  October 19, 2023 12:00pm-1:01pm PDT

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good to be back with you. i'm katy tur. well, guys, we have got some breaking news on capitol hill. the plan to empower speaker pro
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tem patrick mchenry which we have been talking about for a couple of days now is now dead, according to multiple gop lawmakers who have spoken to nbc news, like kevin mccarthy and steve scalise, the option did not have enough votes. today in their so-called family meeting, the room got so emotional, matt gaetz confirmed that mccarthy started yelling at him, and "punchbowl news" reports another lawmaker nearly lunged at him. >> passions are a little inflamed. i think he's working through the stages of grief. >> did congressman boss lunge at you at well? >> i think he was pretty animated. i don't know if i would describe it as a lunge. i said that i thought having speaker light was a bad idea.
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i think republicans ought to stay in our conference until we elect a speaker. we have a lot of great folks, i'm supporting jim jordan. that will be how it goes. >> joining us now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali and "punchbowl news" cofounder and political contributor, jake sherman. ali, what is going on? >> reporter: it's a good question. a lot of us are trying to figure that out from our sources. i talked to lawmakers on the republican side in this hallway as they were leaving a three-plus hour long meeting in the room behind me which is still closed door. i don't think anyone has left in there. the idea of empowering mchenry in a bipartisan resolution fashion is dead, to use the words of vern buchanan. there are some republicans members still cling to go this idea, potentially congressman joyce can make tweets based on
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feedback he got in his conference meeting today. by and large, republicans are not thrilled about doing anything in an interim fashion. they instead just want to get back to the business of electing a speaker, and in this instance, when i have talked to patrick mchenry, he says his job is to elect the next speaker, which is jim jordan, and jordan is staying in the race. part of why he initially endorsed the idea of a temporary strategy was to allow the house to function while giving jordan himself the time to cobble together more votes. now it seems like that time is out the window. the clock is still ticking down, and they're no closer to having any idea of who will be speaker, let alone what their next steps even are, katy. >> let me play what jim jordan said about all of this a moment ago. >> we made the pitch to members on the resolution as a way to lower the temperature, and get back to work. we decided that wasn't where
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we're going to go. i'm still running for speaker, and i plan to go to the floor and get the votes and win this race. i want to talk with my colleagues, particularly the 20 individuals who voted against me so we can move forward and begin to work for the american people. >> what's he going to say to those 20 individuals to get them to support him now when they wouldn't support him earlier today or yesterday. >> better question is what is he going to say that's new? it's not like he hasn't talked to these people yet. they are opposed to him, they remain opposed to him, and there have been more republicans who have come out who said they won't vote for him. brian fitzpatrick, moderate from pennsylvania has said he will not vote for jim jordan. i don't know what's going to unlock this, katy, but let's take a step back here. this is now a crisis. this is now a government or a branch of the government in the middle of a massive crisis.
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there's no speaker. there's no third in line to the president. there's no way to pass a government funding bill in less than a month. no way to get aid to israel, to ukraine. the house has been closed down for 16 days aside from a few speaker votes, and they have no way out. zero way out. they can't elect a speaker. they can't elect a speaker pro tem. they can't elect a former speaker. this is a disaster for republicans. if you're a democrat, katy, to be honest with you, and who knows how long this holds over and if it has sal yens, forget chew gum and walk at the same time, they can't even walk. that is conference in massive crisis with no way of fixing it. >> the government shutdown deadline, the continuing resolution lasts until november 17th. it might seem like that's a few
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days away but there are not too many working days between now and then. that's when the government will no longer be able to function without another continuing resolution or a budget deal. at what point do the moderate republicans, the ones, maybe the front liners, like mike lawler of new york, molinaro go to the democrats. do they ever go to the democrats and say we got to figure something out? >> i don't think so. i guess i'll wait for ali to interject as well. i don't think that's going to happen. >> what happens next, jake, if they're in crisis, they can't walk, how long does this stay in crisis? >> that's what this was. this was going to the democrats and saying help bail us out for two months so we can get our life together, and don't look like clowns for another month or three months or whatever it is. they were unable to do that, and katy, remember, november 17th isn't far away. it takes the senate a week to do
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anything. it will take the house a week to do something. they need to have government funding bills next week effectively. i don't think we realize how big of a crisis this is. and it's not like they're going to elect hakeem jeffries speaker. just because this is dead among republicans does not mean it's really dead. this is a privileged resolution, so any member could bring it up. they could put it on the floor, and they'd have to be recognized on the floor but it would be afforded a vote. this could still happen. it's a longshot. not a lot of republicans are for it. it could still happen. >> i've got a republican lawmaker waiting in the wings, i want to give you the last word on this. what else do you want to add to this? >> reporter: i think he's right to point out this isn't 100% dead. it's spooky season. anything can come back to life, i guess. there are democrats who i have spoken to who are very eager to do what it takes to get the government open again, and this is only a temporary solution.
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so as much as it might be okay to open the government until the 17th of november or even until january 3nd of next year, it still means they're going to have to figure out a resolution, and i think the political point is well made, whether or not this lasts until november, the only consistent democratic talking point that hakeem jeffries and other democrat haves had is these republicans are extreme and chaotic. that's exactly what they look like right now. they're unable to govern. i have had members asking who's even calling the shots, it's like a really bad game of who's on first for republican conference members. it's not clear who's leading. yes, technically it's mchenry, but it's difficult to even sus out who's leadership and talking here. >> joining us now republican congressman from north carolina, greg murphy. congressman, thank you very much. who is leading the conference right now? >> well, patrick mchenry is the
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speaker pro tem, and he is arranging things to move forward. the speaker nominee is jim jordan, and that's who is conducting the business of the house. i was listening to your other members there. this is disruptive in a way, but republicans, our greatest asset is our individual im, our rugged individualism, and here we're seeing sometimes our greatest challenge is our individualism. this was all started by one individual who seemingly loves the limelight and everything he can squeeze out of it, and sadly enough it's put us in a bit of a quandary right now as we move forward. the government is being funded there, by the way, by one of your commenters. people are being paid. the government is still functioning. >> those are reporters. the government is, yes, being funded. it will continue to be funded until november 17th, and then it no longer has funding. are you confident a republicans will have a leader by then in order to pass a bill?
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>> i am. >> why are you so confident? it's been two weeks. why are you so confident today? >> well, because, we had steve scalise that came up as number two. folks that didn't like him. same with jim jordan. i think we have individual that is don't carry some of the characterizations that some of the conference still have. i think we have some really smart people, not only intellectually but politically who can lead the conference. whether jim understand, i think personally if he gets one more vote and doesn't have it, me needs to step aside like mccarthy and scalise did. we will have one. the country needs to concentrate on the things going wrong with the country. our open borders by the biden administration now, where even sanctuary cities are screaming for help. who knows how many hamas or chinese communist party people have come in on the southern border. these are the things worrying america told. we'll get our act together and
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we'll pull back and govern and get america back on track. >> that was a real turn. who is the republican in the conference right now, who can lead the conference and why haven't we seen them? >> i think they have been waiting for things to play out. look at boehner that came through, and then paul ryan. i think there are other individuals. i'll say kevin hern, he heads the republican study caucus right now. very very smart, very very successful businessman. there's mike johnson who led the republican study committee also. both are highly respected within the community. i think we have to get out the tensions at this point. we have other folks ready to step to the plate and do the job as speaker. >> if you're a voter in a swing district next november and you're trying to choose between a democrat and a republican and they're thinking about what's going on right now, what is your argument to that voter that they should entrust the republicans
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again. >> look at what's happening with inflation, they go to the grocery store and can't afford things they could before. >> the government is not working at all right now, the problems aren't getting addressed because they can't figure out who to lead them. >> the government isn't work sglg you haven't been able to pass a single bill, other than a vote for speaker and that keeps failing. >> we don't pass bills when we're in recess. what matters to the american public is our overrun of the southern border. what matters is inflation. what matters is gas prices that people can't afford. those are the things that matter to the american people. we'll get ourselves together in a row. democracy is messy, and with the 24/7 news cycle, you see it every moment. we'll get things together. what things matter to the people are the disastrous policies of this administration. >> congressman, thank you very much for joining us. we do hope a speaker gets elected soon so things can start moving again. thank you, sir. >> thank you. coming up next signs the
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israeli incursion could be about to begin, along with new concern about a third front in the war as a u.s. ship intercepts drones threatening it. then one of donald trump's former lawyers pleads guilty and flips. what sidney powell's testimony could do for fulton county d.a. fani willis. we are back in 60 seconds. we ar. eggland's best eggs. classic, cage free, and organic. more delicious, farm-fresh taste. plus, superior nutrition. because the way we care is anything but ordinary. ♪♪ this is american infrastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪ if we want a more viable future for our kids, we need to find more sustainable ways of doing things. america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars in new technologies
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and creating plastic products that are more recyclable. durable. and dependable. our goal is a cleaner, healthier planet for generations to come. for a better tomorrow, we're focused on making plastics better today. president biden is back from the middle east, the u.n. says it is on the verge of delivering humanitarian aid through the rafah border and western nations are warning their residents to get out of neighboring countries. are these all signs the would be israeli ground incursion into gaza is about to happen. there are now even more tanks at the border. former israeli prime minister tells nbc news a difficult and bloody ground assault is likely in the coming days, and israel's defense minister told troops
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they will soon see gaza from the inside. president biden is going to speak to this nation, the u.s. tonight. is he going to address any of this, and what will he say regarding the effort to free both american hostages and rescue palestinians trapped in gaza. joining us from israel is nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez. i want to begin with what could be happening soon. we're seeing a lot of signs pointing to movement along the gaza, israel border. what are you hearing just outside the border? >> reporter: a lot of signs. israel's defense minister was a couple of miles south of us. he was meeting israeli troops, and he basically told them, prepare for the ground offensive. we don't know when it's going to come. there's a diplomatic guessing game going on. the conventional wisdom is the israelis won't launch a ground invasion wile there's a western leader in town. we had president biden here
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yesterday. british prime minister rishi sunak was here tonight. he has gone on to saudi arabia. we are expecting french president emanuel macron to come here in the coming days. it's possible the israelis may surprise all of us and announce they're going ahead with the ground offensive potentially in the middle of the night any night coming. the israeli military also updating today it has informed 203 israeli families that they have loved ones being held hostage inside of gaza. we have been speaking to the families of the hostages all week. their stories are unbelievable. we met a woman today called osna. four members of her extended family, she believes, are being held hostage in gaza. one of them is her little cousin ohad, he's 8 years old, turning 9 on monday, and she told us a little bit about him. take a listen. >> he's only a child. he wears glasses.
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he can not manage without his glasses, and we don't know if he is with his glasses or not. this is something that weighs a lot on his father, that he always talks about what his glasses, i hope they let him keep it. >> reporter: and, katy, with all the horror we have seen and heard over the last couple of weeks, there is something about that that jumped out at me, that there is a little boy in gaza tonight who's afraid, who's in a dark place, and he may not be able to see because he doesn't have his glasses. katy. >> that is so awful, so awful to contemplate. raf sanchez, thank you very much. and it's been two days since the explosion at a hospital in central gaza. anger and violence is continue to go flare up across the middle east over it, especially in the occupied west bank, and that is
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where sky news stewart ramsey has more from the ground. >> reporter: live fire, smoke, ambulances, the west bank is seething after the gaza hospital disaster. three days of mourning in a general strike after a terrible week and a half in this troubled region. small groups of youngsters are taunting the israeli defense forces stationed at the main military communications hub. above them, snipers wait and watch. and every now and again they fire bullet, not tear gas. ambulance teams rush forward to pick up the latest to be shot. they're treated as quickly as possible at the scene before speeding off. there's nothing unusual about these pictures on the west bank, but four youngsters were shot for throwing stones right in
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front of us. and we didn't say for a very long time. it says so much about life here, and how violence dominates everything. >> over 60 people have been killed in the last week or so on the west bank. it is a fact. and that's something that really explains how this has changed. so many are dying in gaza and of course in that attack by hamas. the center of ramallah was brought to a standstill by relatively modest crowds demonstrating against events in gaza. the west bank has been quite quiet since the hamas attack in southern israel. and hamas wanted people on the streets. the crowd pulls for prayers for the people of gaza, led by hasan yusef, a senior leader. israel wants him, his presence will be noted.
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the people who gathered here have varying and differing views on the future for palestinians. for now, they're united in condemnation of israel. >> it's enough. >> reporter: from both sides? >> yeah. from both sides. american, arabic, jewish, it's enough. kill here and kill here. it's enough. >> reporter: do you think it will be enough. >> maybe. i wish. i wish to stop the war. >> i think it's our time in the west bank to actually stand against this apartheid, to do something about it. what's happening today is part of a struggle that has been going on for 75 years, like we said before, and this should be a continuous movement. i think this is up to the people. i don't think we should look for international solutions because this has not worked in the past.
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so it's up to us to stand up and be like this is not right. >> reporter: the international community's diplomats are working around the clock to try to stop this volatile situation from exploding into a regional war. on the streets, they're waiting to see what happens. they aren't happy. few, if any in the middle east are happy right now. sky news, in ramallah, on the west bank. >> you have that woman there calling for a cease fire. the u.n. is also calling for a cease fire. there have been, though, an uptick in attacks against the u.s. military overseas, and syria, at least two drones targeted american forces yesterday. that is according to two defense officials. two defense officials also say the uss carney has shot down more than a dozen drones that were threatening the ship. as of yesterday, the ship was transitioning through the suez canal. joining us nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube. what is the latest on this?
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>> reporter: there's really been an uptick in these drone attacks in that region, katy. we started hearing about them yesterday from u.s. central command when they told us about an attack in northern iraq, u.s. forces shot down. that was one drone. and two drones targeted al assad, an air base where u.s. military operate. one was shot down. the other was shot at. as it fell to the ground, it broke into pieces and some of the pieces hit a hangar, and u.s. forces were injured inside. we learned today about two more drones that attacked a u.s. military garrison in southern syria. in the same case, one of the drones was shot down, but another one was not. it targeted and landed hitting the base. several u.s. military were injured, and of course we're also learning moments ago, new details about a u.s. destroyer that was in the middle east, in that region, when it was targeted bid a -- by a number of drones. they shot down many of the drones. this is a real uptick from what
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we have been hearing in recent weeks and months about activities from what are expected at this point, the u.s. is still analyzing, investigating these incidents but at this point they are pointing towards iranian-backed militias being behind the drone attacks. >> what is the concern that not just a second front is going to open up by potentially a third front on the syria border with israel. >> there's a lots of concern. the concern, as you said, is that it's going to open up another front or this war that's right now is in israel and gaza, spreads outside those borders into the region, and one of the things we have been hearing about basically since the attack in israel almost two weeks ago is concern among u.s. military officials that one of the ways that it could spread, that it could manifest is attacks by these iranian backed militias in other areas outside israel. talking about iraq and syria. for now it's been an uptick in what we have seen in recent
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months in this activity. >> courtney kube, thank you very much. and fresh off his trip to the middle east, president biden will make his oval office address. joining us now the carnegie endowment more international peace, aaron miller. the president left israel yesterday. he was received warmly in that country, not so much the region. he's going to speak to americans tonight. what is it likely that he's going to say, and is it something that's going to calm things down? it certainly feels very tense right now. >> when it comes to foreign policy, focused on as little as possible, and they only tend to really focus when it involves american security and prosperity. an escalation, regional escalation involving hezbollah could lead to a spike in rising oil price, and plunging markets. i'm not predicting that, but one of the things the president is going to address is the
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importance of u.s. leadership, in terms of the value propositions, supporting democratic policies in israel and ukraine, however imperfect they may be, and also it's a matter of national security that the u.s. lead in these two efforts. i think it will be a broad brush speech. i doubt if there will be many details. $100 billion proposed supplemental to israel, ukraine, to taiwan, and i'm told border security as well. >> there's also the threat from dhs and american officials about increased violence at home as a result of all of this. let me ask you bigger picture about israel and what's been happening in recent days. we see a build up along the border. we are now almost two weeks out from the horror of what happened on october 7th. and we are still hearing stories from families of those who were slaughtered about what happened
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to their families. hearing stories from survivors of the the family worried about her 8-year-old nephew's glasses, and whether he has them while in captivity, held by hamas. israel, though, is, you know, still striking gaza. there was all of this misinformation or confusing information at the very best about what happened at that hospital in gaza. how does israel maintain international support for what it's doing? how does it not lose it? how does it not go too far in gaza? >> you know, it's structurally built into this campaign, disinformation and the waning of international legitimacy is the consequence of civilian deaths. it's part of the hamas trope, the more palestinians killed and injured, graded level disruption
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the more israel's international legitimacy begins to erode. we're two weeks in. this war begins next saturday, i expect weather may have been a factor in delay. the president's visit was a con constrain. i think the israelis reached the conclusion the longer they delay, the longer they wait, the more the prospect for international legitimacy to erode. i think the president had a tough and frank conversation with the prime minister in his war cabinet yesterday about the day after. exactly what are the objectives that the israelis seek to achieve. what are the costs and complications. the reference to 9/11, we made mistakes, two longest wars in american history were generated in the wake of 9/11. this is not israel's 9/11. 15,000.
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it's fifteen 9/11s. but the other reality, katy is that we didn't have a proximity problem with al qaeda. israel has a proximity problem with hamas, and that's what they're going to try to address in an effort to deter and ultimately make it possible that what happened on october 7th won't reoccur. but it all comes down in the end. no matter how successful the israeli orientation is, all comes down in the end to the day after. >> do you have a sense they have any idea what happens date after that, there is a plan, that benjamin netanyahu is acting on what's best for the country, and what happens next rather than his own political interests? because there are a number of israelis that are worried about that, include ago number of op-eds i have read. >> i think mr. netanyahu is not in total control of israel's military situation. he has expanded his government
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to include benny gantz, i think there's a break, frankly, with respect to the prime minister conflating his political interests with the security and his military operations. it's the broader problem, katy. mr. netanyahu, how do you operate in an area where you have 21,000 humans per square mile. how do you operate in an area where the tunnel system, 313 miles, half the number of miles in the new york subway system, how do you operate in a densely populated area where hamas has had months to prepare, and i'm sure he moved assets farther south. israelis operating in gaza city, and how adhering to the international laws, humanitarian laws, do you minimize the extent of civilian casualties. hamas is counting on hundreds if not thousands of palestinian
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casualties in an effort to radicalize and create pretexts and justifications for hezbollah, force hezbollah to enter into this campaign. so it's this -- i said it before, i'll say it again. this situation is going to get worse before it gets much worse. but i suspect in the next few days, we are going to see a qualitatively and quantitatively different israeli military campaign into gaza than we have seen over the course of the last 15 yeast. >> what you talk about is bleak. we have to talk about whether there's another way to do this. aaron david miller, we have to leave it there today. thank you very much for joining us as always. coming up next, sidney powell pleads guilty and agrees to take the witness stand, what might she say?
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court as to this accusation on counts one through six, 12 months of probation run consecutively to each other the state is asking a $6,000 fine be imposed and restitution of $2,700 be paid to the state of georgia, an apology letter be written to the citizens of the state of georgia, that you truthfully testify at all hearings and proceedings and trials involving the codefendants in this matter, and that you have no communication with codefendants, media or witnesses until this case has been completely closed against all defendants. >> i do. >> an apology letter, former trump attorney sidney powell pleaded guilty to illegally conspire to go interfere with georgia's 2020 election. as a part of the plea, powell agreed to testify against codefendants, including former president donald trump. you heard her she also has to write an apology letter to the people of georgia. she is the second of trump's 18 codefendants to accept a plea deal in the racketeering case. joining us now legal correspondent laura jarrett, and
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legal analyst, lisa rubin. what does it mean to have sidney powell take a plea agreement and plead guilty? >> it's a big deal. she was one of his fiercest defenders. she was regularly on air, spouting conspiracy theories and she has flipped. she was in the room for key meetings with the former president, and also with rudy giuliani, and now she has to testify against them at trial or this whole deal collapses. she has to apologize. what's she going to say in that apology letter, what is she sorry for, how does she explain herself. i'm interest to go see all of that, and she has to hand over documents, another piece of this. but she has to give everything over to prosecutors in order for this to work. >> lisa, why now? >> there are two reasons, the first, her trial is scheduled monday, the window to get the best possible deal was win knowing, but the other factor in
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the why now has to do both with the timing of her criminal trial and the timing of ongoing civil litigation against her. sidney powell in particular is facing ongoing litigation from dominion, which you'll remember, famously settled with fox for hundreds of millions of dollars. they are continuing to sue sidney powell herself for $1.3 billion. that's a case she has been unsuccessful in trying to dismiss. and discovery is ongoing in that case, and that as sidney powell told the court about two weeks ago sort of puts her in an untenable position. she has to choose between the invocation of her fifth amendment rights if she had gone to her criminal trial and what it would mean to invoke the rights, and a civil proceeding where a jury can draw adverse inferences or she could have been sanctioned for not participating in discovery. given what's at stake financially, that intersection was probably not one that sidney powell could have abided, especially with the ongoing
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risk. >> i don't love the idea of being sued for $1.3 billion, personally. lisa, ken chesebro has his trial set for monday, october 23rd. that's monday. does this mean that sidney powell testifies against him? >> i don't think so. i mean, there's a possibility that sidney powell testifies with respect to the broader conspiracy. but when you think about the allegations against sidney powell in this case, most of the charges against her or all the charges against her are centered on a scheme to open up coffee county georgia voting machines. there are a handful of other allegations against her, but they largely concerned things that don't concern ken chesebro. they concern, for example, that infamous press conference she, rudy giuliani and jenna ellis had where she accused dominion of being incahoots with hue go
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-- hugo chavez. >> let me ask you about the special counsel jack smith. >> he's watching this carefully. if i'm powell's attorney, i would say now is your moment. if you are in a position where you're ready to cooperate with the state prosecutors, do it with the feds as well before they can even get to the point of considering charging you because you only sort of have a limited window. >> do we know they're getting to the point of considering charging her. no one else has been charge but donald trump. >> no one else has been charged but we have reason to believe she's one of the unindicted coconspirators, if you want to ward off the possibility of them coming at you, you may want to make that. >> ken chesebro, we keep getting conflicting -- >> i'm pretty sure "chez." >> okay. >> does he make a plea deal after this? >> he's been vociferously trying to fight this and hasn't found success in the courts. by all accounts, he's going to
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go forward with the trial on monday. before a couple of hours ago, we didn't know about sidney powell, so all bets are off. >> kenneth chesebro, my apologies to mr. chesebro. i'm going to listen to laura jarrett. thank you very much. lisa rubin, i appreciate it. the u.s. government tells americans in lebanon to get out. what our reporter on the ground there is seeing today. and prime minister benjamin netanyahu acting for the country or his own political survival? what israelis are saying about his ability to make the right wartime decisions. my name's dan and i live here in san antonio, texas. my wife magda and i have been married for 39 years. about three or four years ago, i wasn't feeling as if i was as sharp as i used to be. i wanted to try something that was over-the-counter. i saw the prevagen commercials. after a short amount of time taking prevagen, i started noticing a difference-- that i'm remembering this, i'm remembering that. i stopped taking prevagen and i found myself slacking back so i jumped right back on it. i feel as if it's brought me back to the good 'ol days.
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a warning, her report contains distressing images. >> reporter: the clear up has been fast, the bodies, the body parts, moved from where so many injured and displaced had gathered at the al ahli hospital. here it is a question of picking through scattered positions, collecting tiny shoes, the debris of shattered lives. this man lost his brother and his cousin in the blast. his uncle now is in intensive care. this is where he was sitting when it happened. >> translator: people were flying, whole bodies, body parts, there was a guy on fire just here. i was not as upset for my family as i was for that man burning in front of me. people were trying to put the flames out. where are the freedom loving people, where are they? >> reporter: this was meant to be protected ground, a hospital, a safe haven. these images now of the hospital car park, one piece of evidence
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in competing claims over who was responsible. israel, as hamas says or militants from islamic jihad based in gaza as israel says, and on the ground, the despair over people who feel that no one is on their side. >> translator: i say to all the arab officials, you did not stand with the people for gaza. we are under siege for many years. they did not do anything for us. they are looking at us like insects, like beggars going from house to house. why are you not standing with the people of gaza? >> reporter: israel's air strikes have continued all along the strip. here at the refugee camp, some success, hamas confirming that one of their top military commanders, iman nafael who was responsible for coordinator nating activity with other militant groups was killed in this hit. other strikes with apparently less strategic gain.
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this bakery nearby also targeted and four of its workers killed. and the food that is so hard to come by in gaza now literally burning. in the south of the strip, the rafah crossing stays closed despite the u.s. president's declaration that humanitarian supplies would start coming through. another day of waiting, too, for those desperate to leave. >> unfortunately all gaza is under attack. all gaza is a place or a ground for complete bombing. so i ask the people out there, the people who have a heart, who do care to find us a safe haven or at least get us out of gaza. >> reporter: at least there are some still smiling. this little boy and his sister crouched in the rubble, delighted and a lie shy at the attention of our team. a touch of innocence amongst all this misery. but mostly, it is just misery.
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an accumulation of bloody body bags and the wrenching pain of those not quite ready to say good-bye. >> diana magnay for us, and there were protests again across the middle east today, including in lebanon where the state department has asked u.s. citizens to leave. joining us from tyre, lebanon, matt bradley. germany is asking its citizens to leave. what happened today? wr. >> reporter: well, there were protests again throughout the arab world. i was in protests yesterday, and we didn't see them here today in lebanon. i was in a hezbollah protest, and this was something where we saw thousands and thousands of people coming out, again, throughout the arab world. this is one of the more interesting ones. hezbollah is on the precipice and could be about to enter into this war, right on the border, right behind me, where just now, a moment ago, we saw another flare popping up because the violence here, katy is continuing. these folks were out there,
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supporting hezbollah, they were out there because they were outraged at this explosion at the hospital in the gaza strip and protesting against joe biden's visit in the middle east. it goes a lot deeper than that. reaction to recent event, the people i spoke with, this is something that goes back decades, generations of grievance, and anger, not just with israel, but also with the west, and i asked people, it won't surprise you that nobody there was going to believe the explanation that israel offered and the united states offered that this was an errant, hamas, political jihad that landed on this hospital. for them, that explanation just wasn't going to wash, but i asked them about that. what if that was real, would you still be out here protest . here's what some of the people told me. >> around 3,000 people were killed before yesterday, most of
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whom are innocent, defenseless, helpless, children and women. so they are not facing hamas face to face. >> war is a very terrible thing, but we know as people of hezbollah, as people who support hezbollah, that if we don't support the palestinian people today, if we don't support the palestinian resistance today, the next day we will be on the next -- >> reporter: and so, katy, you can see the outrage and the anger, but the question is for lebanese people and for people throughout the region, is that enough to drag hezbollah and all of lebanon -- hezbollah is like drag he has bow lea and lebanon into war with israel, another destructive war, the second time in as many decades. the last time this happened was back in 2006. it nearly brought this country to its knees. and folks here are so reluctant to see that happening again. given what's going on in israel,
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given what's about to happen in the gaza strip and what's already been happening for the last 10 to 15 days, people here are girding for war, they're preparing for the war as people around here in south lebanon tell us their bags are packed and they're ready to flee north. everybody here is on edge. >> matt bradley, thank you very much. and quote, he needs to say i'm sorry. i failed you, it's because of me and my pride you were almost murdered. what survivors are demanding prime minister benjamin netanyahu do next. if because the only thing dripping should be your style. plop plop fizz fizz with alka-seltzer plus cold & flu relief. also try for fizzy fast cough relief. choosing a treatment for your chronic migraine - 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more - can be overwhelming. so, ask your doctor about botox®. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they even start. it's the #1 prescribed branded chronic migraine
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. there is mounting concern within israel that prime minister benjamin netanyahu is not the leader for this moment. some survivors of the hamas attacks say they are angry with netanyahu, his divisive right wing government and the hostile policies towards palestinians that they believe undermine israel's security. netanyahu needs to say i'm sorry, i failed you. it's because of me and my pride you were almost murdered. while the israeli newspaper
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argues that bebe's judgment is clouded saying if the responsible adults in the war cabinet are not alert, israel's military response to hamas is more a result of prime minister benjamin netanyahu's political calculations than the country's very real and urgent priorities. joining us now l en a kin and maybe not up to this moment. >> the concern about his rhetoric and the far right government's rhetoric, a member said the other day that there should be no way going into hamas at all, that all that should be going into -- not hamas, gaza, rocket fire, no aid to gaza, just rocket fire. is there a concern that that sort of rhetoric regarding not hamas but gazans is not making anything any better, is actually making things worse. >> of course, i mean, i would say beyond concern that's a reality that israeli faced. netanyahu, you know, for the last many months, many journalists, myself included, we've referred tonetanyahu's current government that's basically listed since january 1st as the most extreme government in israeli history, the most right wing, and all of that is true, but what we weren't saying is it's also the most absurd, the most clownish. the minister for national security of israel, this is his
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first job in life as a public official, and before that he has been a well-known racist thug who has eight convictions for terror and hate crimes under his belt. and so what netanyahu is doing is sidelining these people. they're not being invited into the war cabinet meetings. and as a result they go out and make these kind of ridiculous statements. >> they're still a part of this government, he's still aligned with them. >> not only is he a part of the government, he's a senior minister, what he says has -- or should have importance, but we're in a situation in which there's so little faith in his government, there's so little belief in what any of the leaders in israel say, and israel is a free society and a structured society. it's not like living under hamas where you can't criticize the regime. in israel you can, and so people criticize freely. >> so yesterday i asked mr.
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regev who is advising netanyahu about whether the war is being waged against hamas or is the war being waged against gazans considering that no aides have been able to get through and gazans are suffering and gazans haven't been able to -- i'm running out of time, haven't been able to vote in 17 years, what's the feeling in israel about who the war is against? >> it's good know that even an expert like you sometimes runs out of time. >> you have five seconds. >> those feelings are very confused is what i'd say, and israelis right now are hurting bad, and i'm not sure how many distinctions the average israeli is making on the line that you're asking. >> all right, we'll have that full conversation again, noga, thank you very much. i appreciate you coming on today. >> thank you. that is going to do it for me. "deadline white house" starts right now. ♪♪

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