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i'm yasmin this again. we start this afternoon with the latest on what is going on in israel. the first trucks carrying humanitarian aid finally getting through to gaza. the situation is deteriorating by the hour. >> it's not only there's not enough people, not enough beds in hospitals. not enough ventilators. this is absolute carnage. >> all of this absolute carnage with the specter of a ground invasion looming over residents, with israeli military leaders saying they are good to go. at any moment. two americans held hostage by hamas now free and ready for a reunion with their families. we are gonna take you to their

hometown as well for reaction. we are also following a pair of other very big stories, the house still without a speaker, after jim jordan's effort to grab the gavel goes down in flames, i'll speak to democratic congressman, raja crist knew murthy about whether democrats can make a deal to save the spa speakership. two of donald trump's georgia codefendant pleading guilty in stunning succession. today, a word of caution for the dea, from the lawyer for one of them. >> if mr. chesebro was the architect of the fake elector scheme, if mr. chesebro was the architect of some plan to bring down democracy, which is what i've heard over and over the last couple of months, both in court and out of court. with the district attorney, fulton county, have offered him probation and first offender status? i think the answer is no. i think if you asked her, the answer would be no. >> so, what does all mean for

the former president? i'm gonna speak to msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance coming up as well. we begin with a sliver of long relief in gaza. a convoy of 20 trucks crossing the border from egypt with food, water, medicine, no fuel though. although critical, the aid is being called just a drop in the bucket, as the gaza health ministry says those trucks carrying just 3% of what is needed on a daily basis. the red cross and the world health organization calling for a cease-fire. meanwhile, israeli airstrikes continuing, as gaza is bracing for a full ground innovation. with the idea now seeing plans to, quote, expand operational activities, have in fact been approved. right now, live pictures from tel aviv, where a large demonstration is being held in support of those kidnapped and being held by hamas, more than 200 people continue to be held in gaza. i want to bring in now, if we can, nbc's josh lederman. joining me now from ashdod israel. thank you for joining us on this.

i appreciate. let's talk about that convoy, entering through the rafah border. those trucks, specifically. how long will it take to get to the individuals that need it most? will they be getting more? >> well, the hope is they will be getting more, yasmin. as far as how long it will take to get to them, it's gonna be very complicated task to distribute this aid through the gaza strip, where the roads have been badly damaged. where you have hundreds of thousands of people who fled their homes, many of them are sleeping in the streets. many of the hospitals now closed, but the supplies are so badly needed, they include things like antibiotics, trauma kits, badly needed medications and hygiene kits. as well as 22,000 amounts of water that people need there. that is only enough water for each person to have for one day. that is really raising concerns about how insufficient these supplies are. we heard at a world peace

summit being held in cairo today, from the u.n. secretary general, who is on the ground to oversee the resumption of this aid, he talked about what he saw. take a look. >> on one hand, i saw hundreds of trucks teaming with food and other essential supplies. on the other hand, we know that just across the border, there are 2 million people without water, food, fuel, electricity, and medicine. children, mothers, the elderly, the sick. food trucks on one side. empty stomachs on the other. >> now, palestinian health officials are saying that what crossed the border today is only 3%, yasmin, of what would normally cross into the gaza strip on any given day prior to this war. that is why the red cross in new comments tonight, they are calling for this aid to be moved into the gaza strip on a continual basis. they say what happened today is a good start.

it is not going to cut it. they want to see a continual program to get aid in their. they also want to see the israeli government halt its airstrikes, some more humanitarian assistance can flow in. >> all right, continual basis, talk to me about what we know as to how long that border is gonna remain open to get these much-needed supplies to the palestinians on the ground there. what more we know about this impending ground invasion from the israelis? >> there has been no announcement about whether aid will be able to flow over tomorrow, or the day after, yasmin. the hope is that it will. now there's a program, a system in place, to do this kind of work. right now, there are no promises. that's going to happen. and it's certainly going to become much harder if israel does launch that ground invasion, which all signs from the israeli government are, they still intend to. israel's military just today saying, they are making preparations to significantly expand what they've been doing in the gaza strip. including ground operations,

these really government also releasing video today that they say shows -- an infantry brigade practicing for a ground invasion. so, the clear signal, israel is trying to send is that humanitarian aid or not, this ground invasion is coming. he has been? >> josh lederman for us, thank, you josh. appreciate it. new today, the white house has just released a video of president biden speaking to judith and natalie raanan, the two american hostages released after being held at the hands of hamas for 14 grueling days. >> judith raanan. >> hey, judith. >> hello, president biden. >> i'm so glad your home. not home, but i'm glad you're out. >> thank you so very, very much. >> net, how are you? god love you. >> i just want to thank you for your service for israel. >> look, that's been long serving. i'm just able wherever to get

you out. we're gonna get them all out. god willing. >> certainly an emotional moment for both judith and natalie, for their family as well, for our own martin fletcher as well. they are a member of martin's family. nbc's jesse kirk is standing by for. seven still in illinois where the family is hoping for a reunion soon. if you will. jesse, talk to me about how the community there, is reacting. what we're hearing from the family as well, ahead of their arrival? >> yeah, so, yasmin, just remarkable story, of course. in particular, the timing of this. natalie is 17 years old. her father speaking out last night, saying he will finally be able to sleep as this ordeal is ramping up. he also said that tuesday, october 24th, is her 18th birthday. he's hoping that he will be reunited with her soon. you just imagine the timing of this to be unfolding as it did. natalie and her mother judith, were in southern israel in a

kibbutz, visiting family on a kibbutz. they were seen, they were there for the 85th birthday for natalie's grandmother. then they were taken captive by hamas. now, they are now safely back in israel, we're told, as you just showed, they spoke with president biden. we also heard from natalie's father yesterday, he says he spoke with a president as well. here's part of what he shared. >> i've been waiting for this moment for a long time. two weeks. i haven't been sleeping for two weeks. tonight i'm gonna sleep good. i spoke with my daughter earlier today, she sounds very good. she looks very good. she was very happy. and she's waiting to come home. >> i'm gonna hug her and kiss her and it's gonna be the best day of my life. >> i can only imagine how emotional that really will be. we don't know the timing of that yet. one expert told our team, he

suspects the israeli security team from shabbat, their security forces, their security service will want to be speaking with his mother and daughter about what they experienced, the intelligence they can gather from that. because, of course, we're still talking about dozens of people being held hostage within gaza, and the understanding from what our team has learned, it's not just hamas holding hostages, there are other groups that may have them as well. to further complicate that efforts to get one home, he has been? >> yeah, i'm certain the two of them have to go through a major deep reef as you said to help with intelligence there. with more than 200 hostages still held in gaza. jesse kirk for us, thank you. ahead in the next hour, and speak with a woman -- including three young children are still being held by hamas as well. you don't want to miss that conversation, that story, every person being held right now in gaza, incredibly important talk about. coming up in just 60 seconds,

can the u.s. house act on aid for israel? without a speaker. new names being thrown out in the leadership battle. congressman roger krishnamoorthi joins me next. hey little bear bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm gonna love you forever ♪ ♪ ♪ c'mon, bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ you don't...you don't have to worry... ♪ ♪ be by your side... i'll be there... ♪ ♪ with my arms wrapped around... ♪ >> all right, welcome back.

republicans now plunged further into chaos and disarray this weekend, after jim jordan failed for a third time to win the speakership this week. republicans are now saying they are going to hold a new speaker candidate from monday, followed by a vote on tuesday. and several new republicans say they will, or are, considering running for the seat. their party still seems to lack a cohesive way forward, leaving the chamber at a stencil with aid to israel and ukraine hanging in the balance. now, it is raja krishnamoorthi, democratic congressman to illinois, here to talk about. this thanks for joining us. i want to talk a little bit about about israel in a moment. first, let's talk about the fight for speaker.

in the house. and republicans really are in disarray here. 17 days now, the house has been without a speaker. has it come time for moderate republicans to turn to democrats to help with a solution? >> absolutely. hakeem jeffries, our leader, has repeatedly reached out to moderate republicans and said look, let's find a way to create a bipartisan coalition, a unity coalition, if you will, to sideline extremists and make sure we can govern for the interests of the country. unfortunately, a lot of these moderates are scared of maga world at this point, but i think they need to, you know, take us up on our offer and do what's best for the country right now. >> so, i know that trump is actually now being reported by politico. he is against a front runner currently for speakership. house majority whip, tom emmer. this is what politico is

saying. former president donald trump privately complained allies on friday he does not back house majority whip tell members before speaker, throwing a wrench into an already chaotic process to find the next person to hold the gavel. i know there's about ten other names that are being thrown around as well, byron donalds, austin scott, jack bergman, roger williams, just to name a few. is there anything here you think could actually get across the finish line? >> honestly, i don't know. i think that's the problem is they have decided that's working with democrats is somehow traitorous within their caucus, but the other alternative, which is to try to get unanimous, a virtually unanimous support from the caucus for any one candidates, has proven nearly impossible. so, you can imagine that maybe one of those people among the

ten that you showed a moment ago could win a secret ballot. maybe a majority of the caucus actually designated, just like jim jordan had that title last week. but then, once they go to the floor, they can't get the rest of the caucus to join them. that's happening repeatedly. >> right. >> when you throw the monkey wrench of trump into the mix, he can easily block people as well. >> aside from, of course, this looming once again government shut down, i believe, come november 17th, again, i will mention, 17 days without a speaker, president linking aid to both ukraine and israel. the house can't get anything across the finish line without a speaker in place. how is anything at this point going to get done? >> we can't get that legislation, or really any legislation, thunder thunder speaker. the current speaker doesn't have the power to preside over the passage of any legislation.

all he can do is preside over the election of the next speaker. you know, potentially, another avenue is to make the current speaker a temporary speaker for a certain number of days and give him the power to preside over this crucial legislation. what's even then, that's as run into opposition within the caucus. but, as you know, we have to fund ukraine aid, israel, aid, we have to help taiwan with regard to their defense needs, and of, course there's some border security and humanitarian needs among the gaza strip, among other places we have to fund. and right now, we are kind of in a situation of chaos, where we're not able to address these pressing issues. >> congressman, i want to read for folks a little bit of the piece you wrote for msnbc, an opinion piece about the former president. the title of the priests kind of centered all. trump just reminded the world why he's a walki national

security risk. you write this, trump decided to speak was a good time to score in israel to, quote, step up its game. he referred to israel's defense minister as a quote unquote jerk for putting hezbollah, which he called very smart, unnoticed, should not attack israel, despite the fact that all israeli citizens are required to serve in the military for 2 to 3 years, trump claimed israel quote, wasn't rented militarily to protect itself from hamas, and hezbollah. talk a little bit more about this, if you will, congressman. >> i think, once again, you know this, yasmin. trump appears to the world to be a fickle friend and they terrible ally. and just in this particular instance, because of this personal grievance against maybe netanyahu for calling joe biden do you wish him congratulations on winning the presidency, he has a grudge against netanyahu and his government. so, that is why he keeps so much scorn on him. then, couple that with his calling hezbollah a very smart and saying israel was not militarily ready, you know, it

basically says all the wrong messages to our friends and allies, and adversaries around the world. so, our adversaries, it looks like we are weak, and divided. then, to our allies, basically, they are not going to go all in on their partnerships with us, because they fear that people like trump could really push them away, and hang them out to dry. , so this is why even though donald trump's name is going to be on the ballot next year, probably in the general election, so it's national security. >> congressman raja krishnamoorthi, thank you, sir. appreciate it. coming up, by the way, later on politicsnation, rachel maddow joins reverend al sharpton to discuss the war, the latest on the house speaker fight, and details from her new book as well, for equal, an american fight against fascism. that is today, five pm eastern, right here on msnbc. all right, after the break, what we are learning about the impending ground invasion by

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as of now, an estimated 700,000 people have moved to the south gaza strip, as israeli forces prepare for a ground invasion in the territory. on the frontlines, the commander of than the hall rugged witches, one of the idf's main infiltrated brigades, saying quote, we are facing enemy with determination, looking into the enemies eyes, and telling them, no more. joining me now is colonel jack jacobs he's a u.s. army mederos the u.s. military analysts talk more about this. colonel, it's always great to talk to you. humanitarian aid coming in from the rafah border now. newly-opened, just happening earlier today. there are 700,000, at least, palestinians that have moved to the south that are in desperate need of this humanitarian aid.

we are talking about water, we are talking about food as well. you also have these two newly released hostages i know 200 plus hostages still remain in gaza. how does that play into what seems as this stalled ground invasion? and the calculations of the idea ahead of a ground invasion. >> the longer it takes for the ground invasion, the longer it takes for everybody. the -- there were no -- gaza city or the area -- and the list -- for the offensive to begin, the non-combatant [inaudible] is -- good first, is --

way. gazans in the south, we'll be nfl ability of aid to come through the gate from egypt. and i'll say, for the bar, it's better for the israelis as well, it would be much better for them if there were known non-combatants in gaza city. or anywhere north of the body, because they don't want non combatants in the middle of the cross fire. it makes everything much more difficult and puts all those people at risk. so the longer this takes to, longer it takes roughly every one, yasmin. >> here's the thing. when you think about a ground invasion, right, who is to say hamas is already not prepared for a ground invasion. how will they avoid civilian casualties in a ground invasion, considering their objective, as they have said, is hamas. knowing how populated gaza is

and knowing the israeli hostages that are still there, we don't necessarily know if they have the intelligence to understand where those hostages are being held? >> there is no way you can know where they all are. they may, in fact, no were none of them are located. hamas is underground, by and large. and it almost doesn't matter how long hamas has to go further for the invitation, because they have had years to do this. they have built underground shelters. there are booby traps everywhere. so, is to answer your question directly, how does this play out? with great difficulty. the israelis are going to have to be extremely careful as they have planned on being, that they've trained on being, around the rubble, over the rubble, bit by bit, very, very slowly. if, as in when, the ground invasion begins, it is going to

be slow and painstaking. there won't be a lot of casualties on both sides, and invariably, if there are non combatants in the middle, there will be casualties among those two. you mentioned about the 200 or so hostages who are still in captivity, we should be realistic about whether or not they're going to be casualties among those as well to the extent that hamas is holding them and they're in areas underground with hamas, some of those undoubtedly will become casualties. there is nothing more difficult on fighting and built up terrain. a lot of people i know, and, i as well, have done it. it's very, very difficult for both sides. and the advantage is to the defender. so, it will be slow and painstaking, and it will be very, very difficult for both the israelis and hamas. >> colonel jack jacobs, thank, you sir. appreciate it. coming up, how security is being tightened across the u.s.

as we see a rise in islamophobia and antisemitism. as we take a live look at a protest pro palestinian in washington, d.c.. plus, the biggest dangers for donald trump may be realized in his georgia case. i'll speak with former u.s. attorney, joyce vance, who says the flipping of two keto codefendants were about to stand trial should keep the former president up at night. we'll be right back. ht back.

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all right, welcome, back everybody. major developments, major limitations as, well in this georgia case against former president. still reverberating today as well. so, kenneth chesebro, who prosecutors have identified as a key architect of trump's fake elector scheme, and you're guilty plea and got the deal 24 hours ago. that will allow him to avoid jail time, but, he must ate with the prosecution and in their case against the former president and his remaining codefendants, like rudy giuliani. and the same goes for sydney powell, transpose codefendant, who was a another key figure in trump's campaign to stay in power, as she struck a plea deal just one day earlier as well. i want to bring in msnbc's legal analyst, joyce vance, to talk more about this. before this please kind of come through, joyce, you had written a piece for msnbc.com, essentially saying that chess pros and tells potential testimony should, essentially, keep the former president up at night. they have now struck these plea

deals, avoiding jail time for both of them, and they now have to cooperate with a prosecution on this. talk about the significance of all of this? >> right,, so it is highly significant when you are able, as a prosecutor, to flip codefendants who are close to the most culpable people in a crime. that can be for one of two reasons. it can be because they have direct testimony to offer against the folks who are at the top,, or it could be because they have testimony to offer against the people who are in between them and the most culpable actors on the food chain. we don't really know the substance of the testimony of these two now cooperating codefendants, but it is clear that fani willis and her prosecutors valued its, kylie. they have both gotten good deals, and that suggests they have important testimony that they are willing to offer. >> so, chesebro's attorney was on with katie phang earlier today. i want to play a little bit of

what he had to say about chesebro's kind of role in all of this, and this plea deal. then, i will have you react on the other side. >> someone asked me earlier, if you were donald trump, would you be worried? and i could personally, honestly answer, no. and it is not that mr. chesbrough is trying to protect donald trump or anyone else. i, personally, to not believe that the state will call him to testify on their behalf. >> joyce? what is your reaction to this? >> so, sure. mr. chesebro, i don't believe there is public reporting that suggests he was ever in a room with donald trump. his role was that he was the architect of the fake electors planned. the harvard educated lawyer who understood that the plan wasn't legal, was unlikely to be authorized by the supreme court, but who, in his written communication, suggested that they could create this sort of

chaos that would encourage the courts to not take the sort of action that would lead to certification of biden's vote. you know, it's this a defense lawyer trying to protect his client for as long as possible, from the former presidents vindictive raf on social media? where did they believe that chesebro's testimony relates to other people, not to trump? the reality is that this is the sort of conversation that you see from defendants and their lawyers a lot of the time, after they conclude fleet eels. we won't know the truth until the future trials occur in fulton county. >> so, asked this was breaking on the air yesterday, you essentially said this as to other codefendants either get on the bus or underneath it. then, you wrote in your piece, this. there's only so many sweetheart deals to go around. prosecutors before it witnesses to go around on any given point, islam, that, typically through those defendants who are first in get the best deals. can you expand on this and the likelihood we are going to see other codefendants take plea

deals like pebbles and chesebro's, going forward? >> right. so, the pressure on a defendant is the most acute, when they are on the eve of trial. this is something that any prosecutor will tell you, that plea deals with defendants who've beenresistant throughout the process often materialize on the eve of trial or even on the morning of trial, so, no surprise to see both powell and chesebro please here. the evidence against them was very strong. neither one wanted to spend time in one of georgia's prisons. these other defendants now aren't looking at a firm tili for when they go to trial. the holidays almost upon us, they may be feeling less pressure, but the reality that they face is that for instance, if mark meadowstestifies, there wo deals available for others that will be as strong, because of the way his testimony would bring each defendant now has to decide, am i at risk if i am not the next

one in? >> joyce vance for us, as, always, joyce thank you. appreciate it. coming up next, everybody, we're going to go live to cairo, where world leaders are gathering to discuss escalation between israel and gaza, but without the attendance of israeli officials. and as we go to break the arab world showing huge support for palestinians, as my colleague, richard engel, shows us from the west bank. >> anger is growing here in the west bank. these are hamas supporters, it may say they must fight back against israel, they are calling for attacks, and they are calling for them to start right now. >> t now. >> listen, your deodorant just has to work. i use secret aluminum free. just swipe and it lasts all day. secret helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it.

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big summits, there's usually a joint communiqué, a joint statement, that's released that didn't happen today. but it was well intended. i mean, we saw leaders through all across europe, from north america, asia, certainly here in the middle east, and there were consensus. there were things these leaders agreed on. the first is that they believe there should be a two state solution, a pass for peace for the palestinians and the israelis. they believe that there needs to be more aid going into gaza, and at a faster rate. as you mentioned, we saw that 20 truck convoy making their way across the rafah border crossing into gaza for the first time, but it's not enough, these leaders say, and they want to see more aid going in quicker. but they also want to see the bombings, the attacks on these innocent civilians, stop. as we know, the death toll in gaza continues to rise, the majority of those deaths, children. we also heard today from u.n. secretary general, antônia terrace, we spoke pretty passionately. and i want you to hear a little

bit of what he had to say. >> nothing can justify the assault on hamas that sister's terrorist israel. and those abhorrent attacks can never justify the collective punishment of the palestinian people. >> now, jordan's king abdullah has called the actions that israel is doing, a war crime, according to international law. and a red line. he was in agreement with many of the middle eastern leaders that were at this summit today. yasmin? >> all right, megan fitzgerald, for us thank you, megan. appreciate it. so, we mentioned obviously, supplies that are coming in from the rafah border for palestinians that are stuck in gaza. now, 700,000 or so have moved to the south from the north, as they were urged to do so by the israelis ahead of this impending ground incursion. we're getting a statement in from the president on these

supplies and that arrived at the rafah border, saying this. and i am just reading a part of this statement, because it's a long one here. he says the u.s. remains committed to ensuring that civilians in gaza will continue to have access to food, water, medical care, and other assistance without diversion by hamas. we will continue to work with all parties to keep the rafah crossing in operation to enable the continued movement of aid that is imperative to the welfare of the people of gaza and the continue working to protect civilians, consistent with applications under international humanitarian law. he also goes on to talk about working to secure the more u.s. citizens of thriller citizens that have been taken captive by hamas that are being held in gaza. this is after the presidents trip to israel this week. congith significant risks. not only to his physical safety, but his political life as well. david rothkopf called the trip's success, saying quote, the gamble had paid off, in large part, for all the reasons that successful gambles often

do. preparation. experience, and being on the right side of the issues. david rothkopf is joining us now to talk more about this. david, thanks for joining us on this. appreciate it. if you will, i want you first to expand on the presidents trip to israel, along with the address he made to the nation after he returned. >> i think the president has been trying to strike a balance. clearly, he was outraged, as any but it would be with the atrocities that were committed against the israelis. and he wanted to show compassion for the israelis, and then we stood solidly with them in their ability to defend themselves and to seek justice. but at the same token, as you just indicated in reading this statement, he wanted to send the message to the israelis that they needed to work within the bounds of international law, that they needed to protect civilian lives, that humanitarian aid was extremely

important and needed to continue to flow in. and those are messages that he delivered publicly and privately while he was in israel, and then i thought very effectively, in the statement that he made right after he got back, you know, it is clear that he has a sense that israeli lives are as important as palestinian lives and that the united states that's going to stand for finding a solution, not just responding to the crisis of the moment, but looking towards a political solution and, i think it's important to note, the president also brought up the two state solution, and idea that has been floundering in the past few years, just as the participants in the cairo summit did. >> i'm glad you brought some of that up, because i want to read a part of your dailybeast

piece as well. tainabout where the president and his administraon has stoodwhen it comes to this impending ground incursi, saying. this biden and his administration quote, saw no contradiction tween standing four square behind israel's right to self defense, what the same, time calling r respect for the rules of war, and for the innocent lives on both sides, might be put at risk in the conflict. you've been invoked, at one point, the mistakes that were made by the united states, obviously, after 9/11, in the obviously following the iraq war in afghanistan as well, we know what happened there. so, when you have that all in mind, and we talk about this impending ground incursion, right? 4000 plus palestinians have died in gaza. why with the president still be supporting, then, a ground incursion by the israelis, considering the extensive loss of life many of those palestinian children? >> i think they are different

kinds of ground incursions. i think the president of the united states is seeking supporting guiding the israelis towards a limited, then we focused kind of efforts, targeting hamas, targeting terrorists, and making great pains to avoid civilian casualties. that is a tough task, and i think the casualty totals you just mentions reveal that we are already passed any kind of balance in this thing, and i think the further we get into the war and the israelis some now say, it is likely to be a long war, the more likely it is that the historical grievances between the palestinians and the israelis dominate this conversation, and the specific cause of the current crisis fades a little more into the background. and that is going to mean more

people in the arab streets, in streets around the world, calling for justice for the palestinians and calling for an end to the civilian casualties that have already started to mount up. >> few you expect, and i think a lot of folks are thinking about this, as they await to see what israel does next, do you expect the president spoke to the prime minister netanyahu about what would be the plans once they invade. and if so, would that even involved, obviously, prime minister netanyahu stay in on board? in israel? can it involve prime minister netanyahu surviving this, if his plan is to eradicate hamas from gaza, how, in fact, does he go on, considering it happens under his watch? >> my sense is, in talking to u.s. officials, that there was a concern that there actually

was no israeli plan, no long term plan, the israelis were responding to the crisis of the moment. i think that next phase of that, which is to say, the incursion into gaza going after hamas, needs a plan, he's a limit, needs metrics, and i think the united states was conveying that message. i think, then beyond that, you have to say, well if you are eliminating hamas, what is the political entity in the palestinian territory? what's gonna be? how are you going to work a deal with that political entity as far as netanyahu, it seems very unlikely that his administration is going to survive the end of this war. i think people think the unity government they have got in place will stay until the conflict is over, but you don't attendance released believe that netanyahu is responsible for creating the vulnerability that led to this crisis, and i don't think that is something that even he can recover from.

>> do you think netanyahu thinks he'll survive this? >> i think he is constantly working to find a way to survive. i think one of the reasons that he may push for a long war, even as the u.s. and others push to limit that war, is because he will be around as long as the war is around, and you, know maybe there's a possibility to turn things around. but my sense is that it's not going to happen. he needs to understand that, and frankly, the sooner bibi netanyahu is gone, the better it will be for stability in the region, the better it will be for israelis, the better it will be for palestinians. >> david rothkopf, thank you so much, sir. appreciate it, coming up in our next hour, everyone, as those eight trucks arrive in gaza, a ground invasion looms. your life at the gaza israeli border, where troops are massing. we'll be right back we'll be right bac

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look at live pictures out of washington, where a large pro palestinian rally is taking place right now. both jewish and muslim communities here in the u.s. are on high alert, concerned with antisemitic and anti-islamophobic responses to the israel-hamas war. and if what happens there could have overwhelming consequences for those here, i want to bring in nbc's marissa perry, who is in cold gables, florida, for us, to talk more about this. marissa, good to talk to you, what are you hearing from community members there, with this heightened awareness of threats, both two jewish and two muslim communities? >> hey, yasmin. in shorts, everyone is on edge here. we know how charge this environment is. we know there has been an increase in islamophobia and antisemitism, by the organization to track those things. we have seen instances of where violent words have spilled over into violent actions. we know there have been hoax

bomb threats against synagogues. we know there was that woman who reported to police she was punched in the face by a man on a new york subway, because quote, he had said to her, she said, because she was jewish. then, we've seen, of course, that's six-year-old, stabbed to death out of illinois. i've heard from one american community members, telling me this current environment is unlike anything they have seen since 9/11. i want to take you to local community members though are feeling but calls from people on the ground, the its parents, students, mothers, fathers, members of schools, who are trying to keep their communities safe. you're going to hear first from someone who is part of the south florida council, an american medic relations. then we, will hear from a local member with the south florida anti-defamation league. they are telling me what i've heard repeatedly from people, saying being targeted for the way they look towards the way that they pray isn't new but it is ramped up. >> we are hearing about the concerns that people are beginning to be proactive about a future attack, because we

have already seen