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comi ng up on msnbc >> >> a very gool of you from msnbc headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. it's one pm eastern, eight pm in israel and gaza. we begin with this breaking news. israel says it is evacuating roughly 300,000 people from border towns under missile threat from hamas, as well as hezbollah. idf officials say military accidentally struck an egyptian division near the israeli border, and new plans for more continuous flow of aid to gaza. meantime, a convoy of 17 aid trucks rolled into the rafah crossing on the gaza border today as an addition to 20 trucks that were allowed in saturday. >> our expectation and substance of our discussion with all sides is that starting

tomorrow, you will be seeing a continuous flow of assistance moving. we want to build that flow up to the levels necessary to begin to meet the causes needs. >> also new, we have about five fuel trucks, they were allowed access to a storage area for the first time since the october 7th hamas attack. but while aid is moving across the border, americans stranded in gaza are not. >> this is the fourth time we've come to the border. the first time we came, it was tuesday. they bombed it when we were here. of course, i was horrified. i was so scared, because a bomb came just a few meters away from us. >> it's horrible. everyone is dying each second. you open your eyes and then at like three a.m. or at midnight they start bombing. we all get scared all of a sudden. it's sad, because everyone is dying. >> it really takes our amassed

along the border of gaza as preparations continue for a ground offensive. new exchanges of fire today on israel's border with lebanon. the u.s. says it is beefing up its presence in the region in the event of an escalation. i will talk with former cia director john -- in just a few minutes. all of this, while heavy bombardments continued along the gaza strip, among the targets struck, a mosque in the occupied west bank. idf officials say they targeted a cell of hamas fighters operating in tunnels underneath that mosque. also growing alarm today over the increasing humanitarian crisis in gaza, with george's of food, water, and fuel for millions at the top of the list. >> the situation is catastrophic in gaza right now. there has been no food, no water, no electricity for almost -- prior to the war began, there were about 400 trucks a day going, in so you know what it could be. we simply have to have this, because as i said, people are starving, but also this is a

national security issue for everyone in this region. starvation and a lack of food is a security issue. >> there are multiple pipelines. israel turned back one of the pipe lands about six or seven days ago. so that was an important step. there are a couple of other pipelines that we'd like to see restored. >> here's a look at the latest estimated number, as the palestinian ministry of health says more than 4600 people have been killed in gaza, with more than 14,000 wounded. and -- killed in the occupied west bank, the idf says between 13 and 1400 up and killed in israel, with at least 3500 wounded. 210 are being held hostage by hamas, and 1000 hamas fighters and 13 hezbollah fighters have been killed. defense secretary lloyd austin says the region has to unite to imagine a new future for gaza. >> hamas is not only just an organization, it's an ideology. and so it's an idea.

it's a bad idea. and the way you defeat a bad idea, john, is with a better idea. and i do think going forward that the community needs to work together to address the underlying causes of instability here. >> but as we look at our clock, showing just how long the u.s. has been without a speaker of the house, there is no clear indication of how soon congress will begin to address this crisis. we now have a team of reporters in israel for today's major developments. we're going to begin with msnbc -- 's standing by for us in jerusalem. we are seeing some new signs that ground invasion may be imminent. is that your read as well, from your vantage point there in jerusalem, and what more do we know about it? >> alex, i know you've been saying this for days but it certainly seems to be the case at this point. so there is an organization with equipment along the border and troops there as well. there was continuous airstrikes.

it hundreds in the last 24 hours, and continuing around the clock. but the idea has said that these are to weaken, tire, and dislocate hamas in preparation for the next stage in this military operation. so that would seem to indicate that that would be the case. of course, the fallout from what's going on in gaza being felt across the entire region, including here in jerusalem, where the city is on edge and worried. we continue to see clashes between palestinians and police on the ground here. it's a time of year when there should be peak tourism. but the markets are virtually empty. we talked with one of the shopkeepers, who would like everyone here is watching the war and hoping for a quick resolution. >> the only thing is to find a solution for everybody to live at peace. feed the person, help him, take

care of him, everybody be friendly. we'll have peace everywhere, all over the world. killing, shooting, doesn't make sense. only to sit. but if you don't want to -- this is something else. >> it's a hope that a lot of people share. not only here, but globally, as they watch this unfold. and i think you're right, alex. as we watch the situation at the border, it does appear that the ground assertion is eminent. >> we are watching it all very, very carefully. with your help. many thanks. meantime, some breaking news in d.c., everyone. a new crop of republican get its are joining the house speaker race. it has been almost 19 days since kevin mccarthy was ousted, and the clock is ticking to find his replacement. nbc -- 's is joining us from capitol hill. gary, welcome to you. what are we hearing from lawmakers today about what all is at stake? we heard mccarthy earlier on meet the press that the situation is an embarrassment for americans. >> that's perhaps the only

thing that republicans can agree on. it's an embarrassment on a mess right now here on capitol hill. there are now nine republicans vying for that coveted speaker of the house job. we're going to show you a list of who these folks are. they really run the gamut across the republican conference. everyone from somebody who is a former marine to a second term congressman, to a guy who it has owned more than 20 mcdonald's locations before he became a congressman. that's kevin home of oklahoma. and then you've got tom emmer, he's the current house majority rep. he's someone who is seen as the most likely candidate after -- out of these nine, because of his experience in congress. he's somebody that kevin mccarthy has put his name behind, and support behind in that way. but there is now going to be the same process. it does feel like groundhog day, we've been saying over and over again. the same process that we've seen time and time again that we're going to see tomorrow at 6:30 pm. there is going to be a family meeting of sorts with members

of the house republican conference, getting together and really selling themselves. nine republicans will be selling themselves as to what they think they're going to bring to the table as speaker. and then tuesday at 9 am, the internal republican vote where they hope to have one candidates come out of that. but as you mentioned, it's a little bit of an embarrassment, a mess up here, as members have been saying. here's what others have said. >> i guess -- >> this is unbelievable. never in the history of the country have we had this kind of madness. where we cannot have a functioning house of representatives. >> i would hope that everyone would come together with there with the country before the politics and actually solve this. >> eight people seem to be at the table, wagging the dog, of over 200 people. that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. >> i think we need to find someone who can hopefully get 2 to 17 before we're all poised and in a very drawn a fashion

on the house floor, trying to determine how this will unfold. >> alex, i want to run through a couple of quick dates here for you. today's october 21st. on september 30th, that was the last day that the house passed any legislation at all. and they have until november 19th before the government shuts down. alex? >> that's the date we're keeping a close eye on. i've got to say, tom, we may have an uphill battle. not the least of which being the fact that donald trump has come out and really is campaigning against his candidacy. so there's more for him to handle there. thank you so much. we have more breaking news to share. police in detroit are investigating the death of a popular synagogue president, and political activist who was found stabbed outside her home. the attacker is still at large, and nbc's jesse curtis has the latest from detroit. >> smith the wall was the board president of this downtown detroit synagogue. we still do not know why she was killed. detroit's police chief, asking people to be patient as the

investigation continues. stressing no one should be drawing conclusions until facts are reviewed. but, her death comes as federal authorities have a renewed focus on protecting jewish american, arab american, and muslim american communities with the ongoing israel-hamas war. police say that a female victim was found unresponsive on the ground yesterday. and that she was declared dead. authorities say that investigators discovered a trail of blood leading to the victims home, and it is believed there she was stabbed multiple times. michigan's attorney general says this was samantha woll's quote, brutal murder. now, she's being remembered as a kind young leader, tied to democratic politics, and her synagogue. may her memory be a blessing. we expect more on this from detroit police sometime today. back to you. >> all right, jesse, thank you for that. coming up next, former cia

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country and jews is on the rise. what ignited this hate and horror that is rippling across the world? a terrorist organization. hamas. >> a message shared by republicans and democrats today, as both sides expressed support for israel's right to retaliate. >> israel has not only the right, as we've said, but the obligation to defend itself. we are not in the business of second guessing what they're doing. we are talking to them on a regular basis about how they do it. >> the united states should not be dictating to israel the prosecution of this conflict. they certainly are on the ground, they know the risks, they know the consequences. and certainly, the united states supports their efforts to diminish this terrorist threat. >> joining me right now, former cia director and nbc news an

msnbc national security analyst john brennan. he is also the author of undaunted, my fight against americas enemies at home and abroad. dr. brendan, thank. you it's good to see you, sir. your reaction to what you just heard from secretary blinken and congressman turner, that the u.s. is not in the business of second guessing israel? >> well, i think as israel's principal supporter, the united states has a role to play in terms of counseling israel, in terms of how to proceed with this, as secretary blinken said, this obligation to defend its citizenry. but at the same time, to avoid escalation of conflict that's going to bring other countries and other groups in the region into the conflict. and so i do think it was important for president biden to be able to sit down with bibi netanyahu and others and just explain some of our experiences in the region and what we've heard from some of the regional players, so that, again, this conflict does not

tragically -- in fact, it might, expand further than it already has. >> what about congressman mike turner, who also said this today about the difficulty, the struggle to keep innocent lives from being lost in a war zone. let's take a listen to this. >> this certainly is going to be very difficult. i do know that the united states is working both on the intelligence side and the strategy side with israel to try to determine ways to increase the the security of palestinians in the area, who are not involved in hamas. but this is obviously going to be very, very difficult. and it goes both to the security and safety of the palestinians and the israelis, that hamas be removed. >> how challenging is this? can you put this into context for us? because of not successful and very deftly managed, what might that unleash? >> well, first of all, given the concentration of the population, as well as the buildings in gaza that are on top of each other, frankly,

it's impossible to carry out these very targeted airstrikes without killing civilians. and that's why i think we see the toll of palestinian civilians going up and up. and therefore it's very concerning that as more civilians are killed, palestinian men and women and children, the risk of this expansion is going up. we see that the northern border of israel, with hezbollah, which is also supported by iran, just like hamas's, also has stepped up in terms of the cross border exchanges of fire. we see that there was also an airstrike today by israel against jenin, which is in the west bank. i think that's the first time in about 20 years that israel has carried out an airstrike against jenin, which is also very large area of palestinian refugees that were pushed out of israel in 1948. so there are connections between the different parts of the surrounding area, and that's why it looks like it's going to be an inevitable ground offensive on the part of the israeli forces. this has unfortunately

tremendous potential to lead to an escalation and broadening of this conflict. >> but sir, then the extent to which israel has dropped leaflets in the northern part of gaza to say to move south, and we are looking at maybe 1.1 million residents in that area, because of the imminent ground war. is that in affective? because if you're talking about jeanine bombings and other targets we know about, where can they go? i mean, where will these civilians go? >> that's the tough question, alex. and i do think the israelis are trying to encourage civilians to leave these areas that are being struck by dropping leaflets and also, again, trying to carry out these very targeted strikes. it's been my experience over the years working with the israelis, these are not intentionally targeting civilians. but sometimes there are mistakes made in war. but even when these targets are hit, in very precise fashion,

that doesn't mean that there's not going to be a blast that's going to kill or injure civilians nearby. so this is basically an impossible task that israel has, which is to try to destroy hamas and minimize the amount of palestinian civilians who are going to be killed or injured. and again, i'm just concerned that once the offensive starts, that the toll of injured and killed palestinians is going to increase significantly. as well as the number of israeli military soldiers who will be killed or injured in this clash with hamas. >> i think many share those concerns. let me ask about friday's release of the hostages. what did hamas gain? let me remind our viewers, nbc's martin fletcher's reaction was hamas never does something for nothing. >> well, i think that hamas is trying to increase pressure on israel from outside. to not only delay the offensive

but maybe still it back or stop it. and by releasing two of these hostages, i think hamas is trying to ensure that some folks will be holding out hope that there could be, in fact, a way to release the rest of the hostages without carrying out these additional strikes and the offensive. but i must say, this is typical hamas extortion activities. trying to hold these hostages, over 200 of them, and i'm sure that they've been scattered throughout gaza. and we do not believe there's going to be a whole release of them. i think this is a way for hamas to try to protect itself and to avoid what i think is going to be a very, very punishing israeli offensive that is designed to kill the hamas leaders, destroy its terraced making capability, as well as to destroy its stockpiles of weapons, explosives, and munitions. >> director, i'm curious how much the situation in the north, along the border of nepal -- lebanon, the fire that's being exchanged between hezbollah and israel, how does that complicate matters?

i'm curious what could be done on the intelligence side to prevent a second, full on war front. what kind of intel do you think is responsible for the u.s. increasing its military presence in the region today? >> well, the increasing of military presidents would also increase our intelligence assets that are available. but i'm certain that u.s. intelligence is sharing all available intelligence with their israeli partners about the threats that israel faces on its northern border, as well as elsewhere in the region. so i think this exchange of fire, the northern part of israel, i think it's hezbollah's way of signaling that they're not going to sit idly by, as this conflict continues to unfold. and i think depending on what happens in gaza with this israeli ground incursion, it will determine whether or not has what decides it needs to weigh in more forcefully. and unfortunately, hezbollah has a very large supply of not just rockets, but also missiles that can be precisely targeted.

and they've hidden and bunkered these missiles in southern lebanon. so if that front porch corrupt, it's a major conflict and i can see it engulfing the region and even a broader conflict. and i don't see how iran can stay out of it at that point. >> which is a very frightening scenario. is there a tipping point, you believe needs to be crossed, at which point hezbollah and by extension iran needs to be involved? >> well, it depends on what is going to be revealed by this israeli incursion. the offensive in gaza. large scale strikes and large scale civilian casualties. i do think that the rocket fire from hezbollah is probably going to increase as this offensive goes forward. and then depending on the severity of, it i can see that there is going to be increased exchanges of fire in the northern border.

and the deaths on both sides and not sometimes those types of things, even if either side doesn't want an escalation, it could lead to an escalation because of the damage that these strikes are doing. so that's why president biden went out to the region to make sure that the israelis understood that there are grave risks here. i know that we're working with regional partners to council restraint on all sides, but hezbollah is a formidable military force that has its own agenda. and at this point, i don't think they want to become embroiled because they don't want their military arsenal to be destroyed by israel, which it would. however, there can be this inadvertent isolation of smiling based on what happens with this ground offensive in gaza. >> let's talk about the explosion at the gaza hospital on tuesday. we have seen, as you're well aware, juuling narratives on who was to blame. is it possible, sir, to have facts lead the narrative around this incident? i'm curious the impact of all of this, and the fact that some time had to pause before facts

could be figured out and communicated. >> this is what happens, alex. in the fog of war. if there's some type of event, frequently there's going to be information that comes out that is inaccurate. but yet, it gains traction. and i'm sure that many, many palestinians still believe that it was an israeli strike that hit this hospital. based on what i have heard from the israeli defense forces, as well as from u.s. intelligence and u.s. officials, it does appear as though this was an errant rocket that was launched by the jihad and was not an airstrike carried out by israel. but again, i think we're going to see more examples of things like this, where there are going to be some events that are going to be attributed to one side or the other and accurately. which is just going to fuel the flames on both sides. again, which can lead to the spiraling of the conflict and even more death and destruction. >> former cia director john

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the new york judge finding him $500 in front of a jail time a, quote, linda. tech former trump legal advisers are now reshaping the trial in fulton county. also new today, michael cohen says that he'll be in the same courtroom as donald trump on tuesday. testifying against his former boss. joining me, now katie phang, former florida state prosecutor and now a host of the katie phang show here at msnbc. greg bluestein, political reporter with the atlanta journal, msnbc contributor, and author of flipped. how georgia turned purple and broke the monopoly on republican party. katie, welcome. good to see you back at home after early morning in the studio. tell me what you are expecting when donald trump and michael cohen come face to face in a courtroom in new york. do you think the judge is getting to trump? is he lashing out, as we've seen in court, at the possibility of jail time for contempt? >> yes.

i expect to see some fireworks. what we do, no, alex is that -- will be doing the questioning on behalf of donald trump when it comes to the cross examination of donald trump's former fixer, michael cohen. michael cohen has withstood hours upon hours of grilling. not only from congressional investigators, but from law enforcement. i would not be surprised to see michael cohen been able to hold his grounds, to make sure that he doesn't budge under any type of attempt to cross examination by elena habba. now, judge engoron, who is a presiding judge over this 250 million dollar civil fraud trial is going to make sure that everybody on the trump side of the aisle is kept on a short lease. to see donald trump continuing to lash out, it really flirting with more violations of a gag order. it's typical trump. the problem is, i'm disappointed that judge garon

didn't get a little more teeth to the border he ordered against until trump. i understand the $5,000 maybe a lot of money to some people, but for donald trump, it's not. i would've expected to see a little bit more of some type of, you know, hammer being dropped on him. at this, point trump is on a short leash, i think are going to see some really interesting testimony from michael cohen started on tuesday. >> well there is that problem of potential jail. time i think that something that donald trump would not want to see. although he has said, bring it. on in times, i think he can't believe that would be imposed upon. him, great gum curious. the judge, hs en really trying to keep a tight grip on the decorum. at one, points he ordered trump to keep his voice down after trump threw up his hands and frustration and spoke very loudly to his lawyers. but you have been covering trump's georgia election trial. you're learning about new threats to d.a., fani will, as outside of the courtroom. can you tell us about that? what georgia prosecutors are doing about it? >> yeah, there has been a

series of threats, racist, venom, vitriol, they have been leveled at fani willis for months. ever since she launched this investigation. i've got a recording of her just a few days ago at a private fund-raiser and honor of her birthday. it really gives you a window into how she has handled these threats, this backlash. there was a moment of levity where she actually laughs at donald trump's lies, that she had a relationship with the teen gang member, if you can believe that. that was an accusation against fani willis. there is a serious moment where she talks about how she's grounding herself in her faith, and in her job right now. the moment where she is under fire for many of donald trump supporters. >> what about the plea deal details, katie, from sydney powell and kenneth chesbrough? two former trump legal advisers. you had a great interview. this is what really struck me.

take a look, everyone, at this. >> i want to make something clear. he did not implicate anyone else. he implicated himself in that particular charge. someone asked me earlier, if you were donald, trump would you be worried. i can personally, honestly, answer, no. it is not that mr. chesbrough is trying to protect donald trump, or anyone else. i, personally, do not believe the state will call him to testify on their behalf. >> really? i, mean how would chesbrough get a deal without getting anyone, or anything, up? >> yes,, alex that's a good. point you and i both know, fani willis didn't just wake up yesterday and become the district attorney of fulton county, of georgia. there was a recorded profit that was given by kind of chesbrough friday morning. while the jurors are filling out the written questionnaires, the value of that offer had to be evaluated by the d.a.'s. here's the next thing to think

about, alex. kenneth jonesboro was not operating in a vacuum. it's not like the guy himself woke up and said, you know, i'm going to drop a memorandum to have an election ski deployed in more than seven states. he did it at the direction, because that the client. the truck lying to donald trump, and the trump campaign. so whether or not kevin chesbrough and sub say that i am only implicating myself, think about building blocks for this conspiracy. you don't necessarily have to plea to the recount, alex. you can plea to the felony offense that kind of chesbrough pled to. you implicate others, including trump, john eastman, rudy giuliani, and others, when it comes to the filing of a fake elector certificate. that is looked at in conjunction with things like the coffee county breach of election equipment. the intimidation tactics against ruby freeman and shaye moss. it all links together for a wider criminal enterprise. for somebody like scott cressman, who i have a hat off to him for being an excellent

advocate for his client. it's still is valuable. there's no way somebody is going to get probation without giving something a value to the d.a.'s office. >> among the three who have taken place so far, sydney powell was a really big insider. she was at that crazy oval office meeting on december 18th in 2020. who might be most nervous about these deals? >> look, i think donald trump, i think anyone close to donald, trump because sydney powell's plea deal, prosecutors now have access to a number of donald trump's inner circle. someone who, as you mentioned, was at that key december 2020 meeting, but also was at a string of other meetings with trump's key legal defenders, and who is directly involved in the -- with tennis chesbrough, he offers an inside view of and recruit fake electors in georgia and other states that president biden won. don't forget about scott hall, who was also involved in that data breach. she was the third defendant. lower profile, but the third codefendant to plead guilty.

now the trump 19 is down to the trump 16. we might see a domino effect of other codefendants making plead eels. >> yeah, we'll wait to see if that happens. , katie good to see you both. many thanks. it is israel's key to defeating hamas and getting the hostages back. the tunnels, next. and going to speak with an expert on tunnel warfare about the realities of what lies ahead. lies ahead. taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. this is american infrastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪ breaking news, fresh insight on

the efforts to help get inside gaza. president biden's middle east convoy told my colleague, jen psaki, that more assistance is coming. >> our expectation is, the substance of our discussion with all sides, starting tomorrow, you'd be seeing a continuous flow of assistance moving. we want to build that flow up to the levels necessary, to begin to meet causes needs. jan, i've got a key point to make. here president biden made this

quite directly. this is for the legitimate needs of the people in gaza. if hamas interferes with csis, or diversity assistance, it will, as a practical matter, make it very difficult for this assistance to continue, and will be another demonstration of hamas's lack of concern for the welfare of the palestinian people. >> i want to ask you about hamas as well. for clarity. this is important to be able to understand. 15 additional trucks. you expect those to move through tomorrow, it sounds like. is that correct? and then continue. is that a convoy, or hoping to get that every day. tonight, with the 15, and then convoys quite early. tonight. >> we'll shelling near the egypt border this morning, disrupted today's attempts to deliberate. in his one hurdle, and a potential ground war with hamas, metro.nnels, nick in the gaza

this is a map. it's been 2014. from the bbc. it outlines where tunnels have been identified by israel. then we're going to show you an updated map from 2021. it's from the wall street journal. joining me now from israel's daphne richard barack. she is a tunnel warfare expert, and adjunct scholar at the institute at west point. big welcome to you. so many questions about these tunnels. they have been described as extensive. fortified with concrete on all sides. some -- they seem to stretch in all kinds of directions. my question, how deep do they go? how are they equipped for surviving idf missiles? >> okay, thank you for having me. i know that there are a lot of questions, and i think that, first of, all look, hamas is a terrorist organization. they have progressively, overtime, very consistently built a very intricate, and you're right, very intricate

and vast network of tunnels, but also underground structures and passageways underneath the gaza strip. beneath the areas where the gazan population live. beneath schools, mosques, sent homes. this has been a part of, an integral part of hamas's strategy for a very long time. it threatens those inside the gaza strip, first and foremost because the population. this is not confuse those tunnels that are located inside the gaza strip, that just spoke. about those that are at the border, which hamas is crossing into israeli territory. these are different types of tunnels. so these tunnels will are used for infiltrating territories. used on october 7th as well, perhaps. they are used to carry out attacks against civilians, soldiers, kidnap.

they are infiltrating, invade, carry out a path. in the gaza strip, they are somewhat different. they are there to holds, or to house, the entire military apparatus of hamas. so everything you'd expect the military to possess, to have, is located in this netwk of tunnels, which is multiple arteries. they've been dug deeper and deeper overtime. there you can find, geno, ammunition. you can find rock at launchers. living quarters of hamas's leadership. there is pretty much everything we need. yes, some of them are reinforce. not all of them. they are typically equipped with electricity, ventilation, and maybe some of the basic needs of transportation. like trucks with wagons on them to transport weapons, or what has been excavated to build

more tunnels. >> it is absolutely extraordinary to think that because there were hundreds of miles of these underneath a small strip of lands. i'm curious, what this question, could they keep hostages and them? 200 of them? if so, for how long? >> absolutely. this is, the gaza strip is a rather small piece of territory, but the network goes, you know, it's zigzags. it can be built on different levels as well underground. so the amount of kilometers, miles, it spreads over, it's difficult to assess. that's why mcgiven your precise number. i'm very careful. it's absolutely huge. it has, you, know they learned from the best. they learn from bin laden, they learn from others who built tunnels and contemporary warfare. they connect houses to their man-made tunnels, basements. it is very large. it can hold hostages inside,

absolutely. i believe this is where the hostages are being held. i believe this is also, i believe the hostages over this vast network of tunnels -- and this really complicates, as you can imagine, an already very difficult operation. >> this headline from the economist sums up the nature of tunnel warfare. underground warfare is terrifying, claustrophobic, and slow. so what is first, staff, new and preparing for this? >> this is a good headline. i'm glad you picked up on. it is very, very accurate. let's start with slow. it's very slow because, and this is also why people get frustrated that the operations have not yet started. there tends to be a lot of patients in. this tunnel warfare is -- it puts your forces in harm's way, in ways that are unprecedented. while tunnels will not win the war necessarily, they

definitely complicate and slow down even the most sophisticated, prepare, train soldiers or armies. it's claustrophobic because, you lose your sense of time, space, it's dark, it's moist. you don't know which direction you're going into, especially if there are multiple arteries. it is terrifying, even if you are prepared, this, these tunnels, above ground, they are invisible. it's an invisible threat in and of itself, that's terrifying. when you face the prospect of a senior enemy on one-on-one because they're in the tunnel, as you showed, they cannot count on your unit. you can barely speak with your unit because communication is very limited underground. you then can communicate with units above ground. then you're alone, as a soldier, annette. it is, absolutely, it's terrifying.

there is medieval, tools, essentially. this is something soldiers he to prepare for. very specifically. even, than, again it's very unsettling. >> burial limiting, very sobering conversation. daphne, we may have to speak with you again as this ground war perhaps gets underway. thank you. new sunday show reaction to the capitol hill speaker battle. where does it go from here? from here

this breaking news, republicans are back in square one, and their search to find the next house speaker. the gop reconvenes on monday as a flood -- specifically nine. this comes after nominee jim jordan was forced out of the race last week. today, republican members of the house are expressing can frustrations with the chaos that is taken over capitol hill. >> this is embarrassing for the republican party. it's embarrassing for the nation. we need to look at one another

and solve the problem. >> congress is a lot like i, school even more so. hopefully we'll get past this. >> it's my tenth term in congress. this is probably one of the most embarrassing things that scene. >> we have to get back to work immediately. we can't have unity in our conference, it's going to start with a fresh voice and leadership. >> i mean, congress is a lot like high school. okay, joining me now, don calloway, founder of the national voter protection action fund. susan del percio, republican strategist and republican congressman from florida, david jolly. well there nbc political analysts. what do you think of that sampling of grievances from this hill today, david. you first. >> i'd say elementary school and high school. look, we know the republican conference is broken. the democratic conference is not. they are prepared to lead, and they are unified. i do think that this may be the last stage of the republican speakership race. that is because they've been through all the high-profile

candidates. we are now down to cans it is that the country doesn't know, and frankly lack real enemies within the conference. that takes us to a scenario where a lot of republicans can coalesce. the interesting thing is a natural pick right now would be tom member, he is the most senior elected official in -- the number three amongst republicans. just elected in january. the country doesn't know, him he doesn't have a lot of enemies, but he does have one enemy. that's donald trump. he has voted to certify the election. he's likely. out this takes us to no-man's-land. this may be the safest pick for republicans right now. >> how is this turned into such a circus, susan? >> well, i would just like to follow up on david just said. i think it's more like nursery school than elementary school. >> you're going in the wrong direction, guys. >> actually, i don't think we'll see a speaker this week. i don't think the next speaker will be any of the candidates, any of this sign candidates that you showed earlier.

you have a faction of republicans who don't care about governing. they simply don't. you know, we talk about those in leadership, or heads of committees. they are moving forward with an agenda. democrats may disagree with, that but at least we can say there's an agenda, and that they're going over trying to make their ideas happen. to do their job, keep the government open, and moving. when you have folks like matt gaetz throwing no bombshells, it seems to me that if matt gaetz like someone, there's going to be at least 40 people who don't. at a minimum. vice versa. what i also want to focus on is what maybe you're going to see jim jordan do. i think that he's going to start trying to be very vindictive, and cause a lot of problems within the conference, just to keep it going. >> that would be completely out of character. anyway, there is a news op-ed in the washington post.

isalling the speaker chaos the blessing in disguise. normal progressive than normal conservatives are discovering a shared interest in keeping the nihilist far rights from the levers of power. don, is that's what's going on? is it compromising with democrats possible? >> not only as a possible, but it's existential. i think the republicans have reached a place where there will be no governing majority without an agreement with democrats. this is really a shiny moment for hakeem jeffries to extract a lot of possessions that can get his parties some leverage in the legislation making process, even if there are majority. you know, i've been around state and federal legislation for a long time. the sad thing, is we're seeing this validates the old adage that the house makes a noose, and the senate makes the laws. so the republican party has any interest in the future up the house as a governing pillar. they've got to get this together. aj dion write something very important, and that's a long term kind of hearts and minds discussion about whether this

is going to be a moment that brings us back to center and government. for democrats, you've got to continue to get your messaging organized, because you have to be ready to not just lafitte republicans in this moment, but to capitalize on it at the ballot box. >> gotta, say there is little funny about this. before jim jordan lost his third and final floor vote, the so-called crazy eights led by gaetz as mccarthy calls it, republicans who asked, him they sent a letter to the rest of the caucus saying that you could punish us if the holdouts change their votes and support from jordan. david, you tweeted that the letter was absolutely bizarre, contaminated by vanity, self import, and a complete misreading of the gop conference. did this letter then have the opposite intended effect? it put the nail on jordan speakership coffin? >> a little bit. i think that this is dismissed. this is why was a ridiculous letter. if you will give us everything we wanted all along, but just replace mccarthy with jordan, then you can punish us.

it didn't take into account just how ostracize those within the conference. they hate. it so it does bring up the fact that eight people can still sink a speakership. that is why that even if they could not get their, what the caucus has to wrestle with this week, alex, is this. they still stand. if you get 51% in the conference, you go to the floor. no longer does a conference give you all those votes. then you end up in a situation where jordan and, that mccarthy, and others. i don't know how this gets worked out, but why do know republicans are not going to let jefferson the democrats take control. in their own self-interest, to figure it out. >> so they said they were prepared to accept suspension or removal from the conference to accomplish this objective, and get jim jordan into the speakership. didn't happen. so politically, where does jim jordan's career go from here. susan, you first. has he been weakened by this? >> probably not. among the people who have

supported him all along. he, jim jordan has a funny way of winning by losing. so even though he lost the speakership, he can, say, well i fought a good, fight whatever the heck that means. you, know maybe one day he'll be put on that jacket, an act like a, grown-up in the house. right now -- >> go along with the dress code. >> jim jordan is consistent, he's consistently trying to stop our government from functioning. >> don, final word to you on jim jordan's future. >> i don't know why every time we don't mention jim jordan, you remind the world that he was tacitly approving of ohio state -- being sexually abused. he knew about, and he did nothing. we saw larry nassar crucified for similar acts and state, what she should've been. i don't know why jim jordan isn't near the reigns of american leadership. >> okay, don, susan, david, always a pleasure. good to see you. that's going to do it from me on this edition of alex what reports. i'll see you at friday at three pm. and saturday noon eastern.

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