dismantling its military capabilities and facilitatin the safe return of those hostages. we reported on some of that tonight. also, obama mentioning it's time anti-semitism and reject efforts that he calls, quote, minimizing the terrible tragedy that the israeli people have just endured. that is barack obama weighing in, as many people around the world have. he did it in his characteristic style. you can search obama medium where that full essay is as he discusses the foreign policy issues support for the biden administration, and this attempt to wrestle with many of the complex issues in this war. finally, a programming note as promised, tomorrow on "thbeat" at 6:00 p.m. eastern, you can see a january 6th witness that so many people learned about, cassidy hutchinson. it's her "beat" debut. we'll get into a lot, including her first msnbc response to those new guilty pleas from the people she knew, those two trump lawyers, about jan 6. that's tomorrow night on "the

beat." "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> this is embarrassing for the republican party. it's embarrassing for the nation, and we need to look at one another and solve the problem. >> kevin mccarthy imparting his limited wisdom to the caucus he briefly led as speaker. and with the world in crisis, republicans at this hour are beginning a game of speaker survivor. we're behind closed doors a new batch of speaker wanna bes will be voted off the island one at a time. but we begin tonight with major developments in the middle east. more hostages released as the israeli ground assault on gaza looms. the two hostages identified as nurit cooper and yocheved lifshitz have been released by hamas. they released a video on their

legram channel showing the two hostages apparently filmed bere and during their release. here's a still from that video showing lifshitz, who is 85yes . here they are, too, in a video shot by the egyptian state tv network, showing them inside ambulances receiving medical treatment near the egypt/gaza border. the military wing of hamas said they decided to release the pair for compelling humanitarian reasons. they have since been handed over to the israeli defense forces and are making their way at this time to a medical center in israel. their family members will be waiting for them there. the release of the two hostages comes days after two americans judith and natali raanan, were released by hamas. the u.s. is advising israel to delay a ground invasion of gaza to allow more time for hostage negotiations. but the death toll and widespread devastation continue. as israel steps up its aerial bombardment. as of today, more than 5,000

people have been killed in gaza. this includes 436 people killed in israeli air strikes in the past 24 hours. including 182 children, according to the ministry of interior and national security in gaza. some international aid has entered the gaza strip. over the weekend, the first convoys entered the besieged palestinian enclave through the rafah border crossing with egypt. trucks continue to enter today, but health officials warn that far more is needed to address the crisis. more than 1400 people have been killed in israel sthins october 7 attack. mainly the civilians killed in the initial hamas assault. today, the israeli government screened for 200 members of the foreign press some 43 minutes of harrowing scenes from the brutal hamas assault in southern israel on october 7th. the screening reportedly included raw videos from the body cams of the attackers as they went door to door in a kibbutz. tonight, fears of a broader

conflict are rippling inside gaza and israel, as well as in the region and throughout the world. it forces the question, what is the end game of an israeli war on gaza? thomas friedman points out the dangers of an invasion in an unflinching op-ed in "the new york times." he writes, while president biden expressed deep understanding of israel's moral and strategic dilemma, he pleaded with israeli military and political leaders to learn from america's rush to war after september 11th. which took our troops deep into the dead ends and dark alleys of unfamiliar cities and towns in iraq and afghanistan. however, from everything i have gleaned from senior u.s. officials, biden failed to get israel to hold back. and think through all of the implications of an invasion of gaza for israel and the united states. so let me put this in as stark and clear language as i can, because the hour is late. i believe that if israel rushes

head long into gaza now to destroy hamas and does so without expressing a clear commitment to seek a two-state solution with the palestinian authority and end jewish settlements deep in the west bank, it will be making a grave mistake that will be devastating for israeli interests and american interests. joining me from tel aviv is correspondent hala gorani. thank you for being here. give us the latest, and i understand you have some reporting on the latest about these released hostages. >> reporter: yes, i can report that qatar and egypt both led negotiations. they have been especially qatar very diplomatically active with regards to getting these hostages released because as many of our viewers know, they host the political leaders of hamas in doha, the capital of qatar. qatar has been able to negotiate because it also has very close relations with the united

states. one of the largest military bases u.s. military bases in the region is located in qatar. egypt also took part. these two hostages were released through the rafah border into egypt. you mentioned their names. yocheved lifshitz and nurit cooper. they were placed in ambulances. they then switched vehicles and were driven to the crossing which is not far away at all in israeli territory and now are being medclal processes before being reunited with their families. the big question is going to be going forward, will we see more of this drip, drip hostage release? hamas seems to be addressing not just the governments of the region, not just the prime minister of israel, but also the israeli public, by saying look, so long as there's no incursion, every couple days, every three days, maybe there will be a hostage release and the families of the hostages have been putting a lot of pressure on the

israeli leadership, asking them to delay this incursion until more hostages are out. and as far as the u.s. president, president biden, is concerned, there is also some pressure placed on prime minister netanyahu to try to get more humanitarian aid in, joy. so we're going to be watching, but it looks so far as though this long anticipated ground incursion is on hold at least for now. >> hala gorani, thank you very much. great reporting. let's bring in ben rhodes, msnbc political analyst, and ayman mohyeldin, oes of ayman on msnbc and who covered the israeli/palestinian conflict as a foreign correspondent. this is the perfect duo to talk about this with. i want to start, ben, with the qatar/egypt part of it. because obviously, it is qatar that is the one who provides the actual money that funds the west bank. sorry, not the west bank, but

gaza. so they're very involved. what do you make of the fact they were the negotiating partners to get the hostages out, and what does that mean for whether an incursion will be delayed or go forward? >> i don't think there's anything particular surprising about it. hamas has remained in qatar for some time. it provides a capacity to have these types of sensitive conversations. the taliban also had an office in qatar for a long time. there are also ways to pass messages through the egyptians. i'm sure tony blinken's agenda in qatar was mainly focused on the hostages and the qataris are -- you want to release all of them, could we start with women and children and the elderly? could we perhaps get the americans out? there's different formulas to get people out. that said, it doesn't change the underlying dynamic which is the question of whether or not there's going to be a full-scale ground invasion of gaza that

would put all this to the side in some fashion. sure, i think qatar is trying to forestall that a bit by what they're doing. at the end of the day, that decision rest would the israeli government. i don't suspect that hamas would release all of these hostages in the kind of timeframe that is in advance of israeli decision making about the ground invasion. >> can you talk about egypt's politics here? i did watch a translated version of the egyptian president speaking about this and essentially saying bluntly, we're not going to open this crossing because they're not going to be allowed to go back. the crown prince of saudi arabia said something very similar. let me play it, i think we have it. this is saudi crown prince, condemning hamas. condemning what happened, but also condemning the violence in gaza. take a listen. >> i categorically condemn

hamas' targeting of civilian targets of any age or gender as it is accused of. such targeting belies hamas's claims to identity, but equally, i condemn israel's indiscriminate bombing of palestinian innocent civilians in gaza and the attempt to forcibly drive them. i condemn the israeli targeted killing and the indiscriminate arrest of palestinian children, women, and men in the west bank. two wrongs don't make a right. >> let me correct myself, he's the former ambassador to d.c. ayman, can you talk about the local arab countries' politics, egypt and saudi arabia? >> it's important to add one more, that was the king of jordan who spoke in plain english over the weekend to a western audience at this peace summit that the egyptian government was trying to create a little momentum behind. look, the consensus among the arab countries right now as it

pertains to the refugees or possible refugees of palestinians from gaza into the sinai peninsula is a categorical no. that stems really from the historical trauma of palestinians being forced off their land in 1947, '48, 1967, in which palestinians were not allowed to return back to their homes and have lived as second-class citizens in many countries precisely because the arab countries have felt if tay were to absorb them in their populations, to accept them and give them full rights, they would be somehow conceding the fundamental right of palestinians to return. that is a point the egyptian president made clear, saying if this was purely about humanitarian reasons, israel could provide a corridor into the west bank. it could create for them refugee tents inside the desert, inside israel proper, if you will, and when the operation is over, they could return to gaza. the idea of allowing palestinians to come into the sinai peninsula in addition to providing security concerns for

the egyptians and putting an already fragile economy under tremendous amount of stress for the president of egypt, it's just a matter of principle that egyptian and arab governments do of the past.repeat the mistakes that's what you heard from prince fazl who was the head of saudi intelligence for almost 22 years and i can assure that speech he gave reflected some of the internal thinking of the current crown prince and certainly the current leadership of the saudi government. >> let's go back to, because the issue of gaza, ben rhodes, and whether or not people are purged from there, as ayman points out, it's an important issue because we still have to, as thomas friedman said, deal with the questions of occupation and what happens to the land. i want to read from you from the times of israel. their assessment of the way tanyahu has dealt with

palestinians in the past. most of the time, the israeli policy was to tat the palestinian authority as a burden and hamas as an asset. far right said so himself in 2015. according to various ports, netanyahu made a similar point at a likud faction meeting in early 2019 when he was quoted as saying those whoapone a palest sta should support the transfer of funds to gaza becauseaintaining the separationen the palestinian authority in the west bank and hamas in gaza would prevent the establishment of a palestinian state. they have a piece today about how a lot of that money was passed through qatar. where does prime minister netanyahu stand vis-a-vis his own interactions with hamas and what seems to be boosting them as a way of preventing there from ever being a two-state solution? >> well, that's a really big question right now. i will tell you in my experience, prime minister netanyahu kind of repeatedly undermined if not humiliated the

palestinian authority. peace talks have led to nowhere. peace talks followed by really aggressive settlement announcements that made mahmoud abbas look feckless. to be clear, the palestinian authority has plenty to answer for itself. there's plenty of krupg there, that kind of money coming in from qatar and other places has a way of not finding its way to the people. but it's clear that there wasn't certainly an effort to build up the palestinian authority on the part of the prime minister and at times an effort to kind of undermine them and humiliate them. at the same time, hamas was involved in some negotiations, over 1,000 palestinian prisoners were released in exchange for an israeli soldier taken by hamas. that in some ways bolstered their standing. but look, all that is past and the question is going forward, there is a question of what is the end goal of this operation if it goes forward? is it to displace 2 million people from gaza or a significant chunk of people from

gaza and create another permanent class of palestinian refugees in ways that are changing the demographics in what i think some israelis would refer to as greater israel, as a means of putting a two-state solution out of reach? or is the outcome that is sought an alternative palestinian leadership on the other end of this? one that is not hamas? absolutely, but that is either a strengthened palestinian authority or something different, perhaps drawing on the resources from these very wealthy arab states that frankly bear for responsibility themselves pause they were cutting the palestinians out of normalization deals with israel too. there has to be an answer to this question of what is palestine? is this a two-state solution or something we want to kind of push out of the way? there are clearly some in the netanyahu coalition who don't want a palestinian state. they have said as much. this is not me opining. that's stair stated policy. there are many in israel who want peace with their neighbors. prime minister netanyahu has

tried to bob and weave between the camps but he's usually come down on the side of the right. >> last word to you, ayman, is there anyone in the region who authentically speaks for the palestinian people on this question? is it mahmoud abbas? is he somebody who could essentially be a solution if the p.a. was to take over control of gaza? >> look, the short answer to that, and we see this time and time again, is no, it is not mahmoud abbas. it is not the palestinian authority. not because of the conceptual framework but because of the kurpt leadership of the palestinian authority. i think it's necessary to put a finer point on that. israel has not wanted a unified palestinian authority. that has been clear. there have been multiple agreements between hamas and fatah to try to hold elections but the israeli government which for all intents and purposes controls even politically what can happen in the west bank in

terms of rallies, campaigns, elections, has refused to allow that to take place, and palestinians have refused to participate in any sham election that does not include east jerusalem. as a result of that, the fractured palestinian political landscape is exactly what israel has wanted and sought for the past several years. >> we could do this for an hour. i'm going to have to ask you both to come back. benn rhodes, amen mohuh teen, thank you. up next, here we go again. right now, house republicans are once again attempting to choose a new speaker. one of these guys, most of whom attempted to overturn the 2020 election, finally fill the seat that has been empty for a record-breaking 20 days? "the reidout" continues after this.

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pitch. all but two of them voted to overturn the 2020 election. it's the most candidates yet in the three weeks since republicans wasted all of that say week trying to rather forcibly install maga insurrectionist jim jordan. the presumed leading candidate from the new batch is republican house majority whip tom emmer from minnesot one of the two aspirants who upheld the 2020 election, had is part of the reason donald trump and maga world are knives out for him. trump allies are telling anyone who will listen that trump doesn't want emer to g the gavel. despite believing in elections, his other crime was advising republican candidates to distance themselves from dear leader last year. other speaker candidates include kevin hearn who chairs the republican study committee and florida's byron donalds who declared his intention to become the first african american speaker of the house. donald has received the

endorsement of several fellow florida republicans. you will recall that during kevin mccarthy's 15-vote debacle in january, donalds was nominated for speaker by texas congressman chip roy, who once florified lynching as a form of justice and refused to apologize for it. talking about his idea to nominate donalds, roy told vanity fair, democrats play the race card every second so i didn't mind shoving it down their throats. meaning despite donalds' vigorous denials on this program, chip roy really did nominate him just because he was black. donalds is in his second term in congress, pointed out by alexandria ocasio-cortez to my friend mehdi hasan. >> he's only served one term in the u.s. house of representatives. the last thing he did in the oversight committee was attempt to submit falsified evidence to an impeachment hearing. i think it helps to have some real experience in one of the

most complex legislative bodies in the world before you try to run it. >> joining me now is sahil kapur, nbc news senior national reporter, and david jolly, msnbc political analyst, and apparently, my understanding, sahil, is even as i just spoke, the number of people on the survivor island has already dropped by one. please tell us what's going on. >> reporter: that's exactly right. we're less than an hour into this candidate forum that house republicans are holding to nominate their next speaker of the house and there's already one candidate of the nine who has dropped out. that's dan muser, the congressman from pennsylvania. one member walking out of the room told our colleague that muser gave his speech, got a standing ovation, and then dropped out. he was always a dark horse candidate. nobody's idea of a front-runner, but that's the process playing out. we expect this meeting to go on for a while. they will all make their pitches and the voting begins tomorrow. the way we expect this to happen is it will continue for multiple

rounds. each round, the lowest vote getter will drop out and the moment someone gets a majority of the conference, that person becomes speaker designate. steve scalise and jim jordan washed out after getting less than 215 votes. there are 20 days now without a speaker. we're somewhere between chaos and bedlam in the house of representatives, joy. >> very quickly, one quick follow-up, byron donalds, how serious is that talk? we know his fellow floridians are saying they support him, but is that serious? this guy is a second term congressman? >> it's hard to see congressman donalds as anything but an underdog candidate, but he is certainly someone to watch. he is getting endorsements from members of the florida delegation, including carlos

jimenez, who was so strong on kevin mccarthy, kept voting for him on the floor. byron donalds is also getting support from fellow members of the house freedom caucus like chip roy. there's an interesting coalition he has there, but the reality here is that he's only been a congressman for three years. there are a lot of jobs where you can make an argument that an outsider would be good for it. a lot of members are going to be skeptical for the job of speaker of the house, which is the ultimate inside game, it's about member to member relations, that someone like congressman donalds who hasn't been here long, could do that effectively. it will be a question at the end of the day. >> sahil, thank you. excellent reporting. i'm going to let you go back, wave your hands if anything happens that we need to know about. david jolly, byron donalds. i mean, i almost don't even want to dignify this question. i asked him about it when he was on. he appears on the show and insisted there was serious talk about nominating him for

speaker. i think he got 12, 13 votes first time around. if they're down to saying we'll go for a second term congressperson who has literally no experience to be speaker, where are we at? >> yeah, i think byron donalds is actually in the mix a little bit. i don't think he's going to get knocked out early. that's reason for concern. first, because he only has three years experience in the house of representatives. i believe about four years in the state house. second, he did not vote to certify the election. he's a freedom caucus member. and you will hear from his critics that he does have a criminal record. in his early 20s related to bank fraud as well as some drug possession and perhaps a little higher charges than just possession. so is that the face of the new republican party in the house? maybe. look, i think tom emmer will be the first one to get to 51%. but he can't get to 217 if the trump faction says we don't trust you, you voted to certify the election. i believe he voted for marriage equality as well. the two i'm looking for are hearn and johnson.

the nation doesn't know them, which helps republicans in this environment. he led the conservative republican study committee which has over 100 members. steve scalise led that at one point. they're kind of new. what republicans need is somebody the country doesn't know who is new, still hard right conservative, out of touch with mainstream america, but those two might have the best shot. if they can't get there, byron donalds could catch fire. >> let me put up this list again. kevin hearn, who as you note, is the chair of the republican study commitment. at least he has some committee relationships. part of the job of being speaker is raising lots of money for your fellow members. i'm not sure byron donalds and the bank fraud thing, they didn't mind about jim jordan's connection to a coach who was allegedly a child molester so i don't know that they care about crime, but he has that criminal thing in his background. at least hearn, like you said, very conservative, and give us

your other one, emmer, at least he's raised money for other people. is there any rationality, what you just described as a rational way of thinking about who to pick? are they being rational? because i just saw a note that byron donalds has appeared the most on fox of anyone who is running. is that how they're picking at this point? >> well, this is interesting because you can make a case for three or four candidates. i really think kevin hearn is the safest pick for republicans. again, because nobody knows who he is, and so maybe everybody can rally around him. certainly, conservative. the interesting thing about donalds, he's the only freedom caucus member. you can make a case for why they can't get there, and the member i keep thinking about is clay granger, the house appropriations change, an institutionalist who stopped jim jordan. i think if she sees a byron donald of some of these others, she's going to say are we really going to do this?

if you have kevin hearn, somebody who came from the business world, has run the republican study commitment, this is it for republicans. if it's not one of these nine, they're not going to have a speaker. >> he also, by the way, donalds, made false misleading statements at this first biden impeachment hearing trying to put up supposed evidence that wasn't real. let's talk about the florida aspect of this too. he and gaetz are rumored to want to run for governor. are these runs and all of this noise about the two of them each wanting to be governor of florida? because of course florida would have one of them as governor, wouldn't they? >> they absolutely would. i think gaetz is the front-runner for the gop nomination. passing even casey desantis if she decided to run. byron donalds wants to be donald trump's vice presidential pick. should he slide into the speakers job, that's a win-win for him. he's unqualified for the jobs he's currently seeking.

he would be disastrous, i believe, for the country should he become speaker or the vice presidential pick. >> you know, if herschel walker didn't exist, i would say get out of here, this can't be happening. they tried to make herschel walker a senator. i don't think the standards are super high. david jolly. >> i keep thinking about the old southern preacher who used to say same song, different verse, a little louder, a little worse. that's what we're living through with republicans. >> is carrot top not available inhe doesn't want to be speaker? david jolly, thank you very much. no offense to carrot top. he's probably an excellent speaker. >> coming up, as protests against the israel/hamas violence spread across the u.s. and the world, some are using the conflict to spread hate. leading to increased violence and hate speech right here at home. aimed at both muslim and jewish communities. stay right there. ♪ ♪

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protests sparked by the october 7 hamas attack on israel and israel's subsequent and deadly bombing attack in gaza have continued around the world. pro-palestinian protests were seen in france, egypt, and the netherland. thousands gathered in new york to call for an immediate cease-fire. people also gathered in italy and the uk in support of the

more than 200 people believed to be held hostage in gaza by hamas. college campuses have become a microcosm to the debate. bringing together a volatile mix of viewpoints. there have been some truly appalling incidents like cornell university professor calling the hamas attacks exhilarating and energizing for which he later apologized. and some students have been filmed tearing down images of the hostages in protest. most of the protests have been peaceful, even if loud, and focused on calling for a cease-fire and an end to killing on both sides. that's also a progressive black, brown, and muslim members of congress have called for, yet many of them are receiving a disturben surge in vile want threats even as they face denunciation from the democratic white house. ilhan omar whose family fled somalia's civil war before emigrating to the united states when she was a young child, shared with nbc a number of voice mails calling for the rape

of her children and for her death. indeed, the debate over the israel/gaza, hamas and the palestinias has in some instances become so toxic people in u.s. cities as well as federal authorities have been on high alert for violence driven by anti-semitic or islamophobic incidents. it has roiled the american party in the left. someel the l.a. times they feel abandoned by their fellow progressives. significant airime has been given to the few that israel is a colonizing force and violence against it is justified and that the trauma associated with the death of 1400 israelis has been ignored. while in michigan, which has one of the largest muslim and arab populations in the s. many there have been outraged by presidentbiden's unwavering suppor for israel and feel abandoned by an administration many view as not doing enough to helpalestinian americans living in gaza. and in the view of some, for supporting israel's march toward

all-out war. joining me now is democratic michigan state representative. representative, thank you for being here. you were quoted in a piece by our alex seitz-wald as saying many people around you, and maybe you yourself, would not support president biden in the future because of his take and his actions regarding this situation. tell us why. >> right now, first, thank you for having me on live tonight. but right now in the community, there is a real pain that people are feeling. they're feeling left out in the conversation. they're feeling that when the biden administration talks about justice in the region, it's a justice that doesn't include them. right? it's a justice that isn't marching towards a transformational peace in the region, one that champions a two-state solution. so in my district, in my area specifically, folks have lost trust in this administration to look out for them. they have lost trust that they're going to be protected.

they have lost trust that the seat at the table that was promised to many of us last time in the campaign is not really a seat. more than it is window dressing. >> representative rashida tlaib, who represents dedearborn, as d you, has said something similar and expressed anger the administration seems to be condemning them for calling for a cease-fire. do you think that the administration has at least attempted, biden has tried to sort of shift his conversation more toward justice for the palestinians? he did that in his recent speech. do you think that's enough? >> so look, the president calling for the flow of humanitarian aid, the president calling for the turning back on of electricity and water is really important. i'm not going to take that away from the conversation. what's being missed out and what he's saying is we need to restore humanitarian aid and

talk about a longterm peace solution. we need to talk about the end to an occupation. the end to an air, land, and sea blockade for the people of gaza. that's what's missing in this rhetoric. that's what's missing in my opinion, for sustainable peace. look, i'm always going to condemn the death of innocents. my heart breaks when i see footage of moms going through the rubble to find kids just to bury them. it's deeply close to someone like me whose parents fled occupation in south lebanon. so it's deeply close to me. and to see the president leave out those stories, to not seek out justice for those that are dying by saying we need a transformational peace deal is really hurtful. >> you know, not to make this about politics or about elections, but the reality is president biden is running for re-election. muslim americans and arab

americans even more specifically, were traditionly republicans. 42 voted for george w. bush, 31% for al gore. by 200 and the invasion of iraq, it was a complete shift toward john kerry, toward obama, and toward biden. has anyone from the administration reached out to you to say this is our strategy, this is our thinking. and expressed any concern? because the polling definitely shows that for younger progressives, for a lot of black and brown progressives, and perhaps for your community, there has been a shift maybe back the other way. >> look, i'm going to say this right now. the biden 2024 presidential campaign has work to do here on the ground. they need to start having these conversations and rebuilding trust. they should be reaching out to the families who live in my area who have been stuck in gaza now since the outbreak of the war, who are american citizens and they're trapped there on the border between egypt and gaza. they should be deeply involved

and invested in bringing them home. we need to bring our american citizens back. that's number one. number two, to your point, they have been some prelim nar conversations, but conversations alone are meaningless without action. i can give the best advice to the president, tell him what we want to see, but if we're not incorporated at least in the tapestry of diplomatic solutions we're trying to create, we're going to come back to where we are now and wonder what was the point. >> can i ask you about the sort of contrast with donald trump, who has called for a muslim ban and said he would reinstitute it, called for young people who support palestine not to be hired. he's objected to the idea of accepting palestinian refugees. he's demonstrably not on the side of palestinian people at all. is the shift away from biden period, because it doesn't seem logical that it would be moving toward trump, right?

>> i really appreciate this question because i think to understand the nuance of the situation, folks need to understand there's two areas. what the community is feeling, what people in the arab muslim community are feeling. they're feeling left behind. so if they feel left behind, they feel like they should leave their votes behind at the ballot box. for me as a state representative, i will never find myself campaigning for president trump who has outwardly said and stroked fearmongering here domestically saying hamas fighters are coming in from the southern border, who said he wants to deport folks who are pro-palestinian, who has encouraged the rhetoric that has caused students to stay home in my district, who has caused the cancellation of school and supporting events. imagine a funeral was canceled because of a threat. and so i will never support someone like that. i will actively make it clear to my community that president trump whether it's desantis who used dearborn in his political

campaigns to say we had a pro-hamas rally, that's ridiculous to say we had a pro-terrorist rally and students left schools on an organized walk-out. that is fearmongering at its worst. i condemn that. but for me, i think president biden has to do more to earn my support. >> michigan state representative, thank you very much. please come back. i appreciate the opportunity to converse with you. we'll be right back. wolf: don't mind me. i'm just the flu. (coughing, sneezing) i'm quite harmless, really. and when people ask, “but aren't you linked to dangerous flu complications...

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as the conflict between israel and hamas escalates, the need for factual information is critical. but unfortunately, many around the world are turning to social media platforms where misinformation is running rampant. so val videos and pictures purportedly showing the violence in israel and the aftermath in gaza are being unmasked as fakes or from totally different conflicts around the world. it was difficult to separate fact from fiction but it's only gotten worse. nearly three-quarters of the viral posts on x formerly known as twitter advancing misinformation about the israel/hamas war are being pushed by x accounts, the verified checks. joining me now is brandi, nbc news senior reporter, and our very own john jones, writer of the reidout blog. thank you, both, for being here. randy, let me start with you. talk about these fake accounts and what they are posting.

>> sure. so, the things that we are seeing now, they are really dominating the news space, and they are these accounts that have that little blue check mark, right? it used to me that twitter had verified, these reporters were really with the outlets that they said they were, with the new york times was really the new york times and not new york times one. and you can trust these. when we are waiting quickly, we really do seem to take credibility signals and our minds say, oh, this is something we can trust. and we are still in that zone. but the unfortunate thing now is that it no longer means it's a verified account and it no longer determines credibility. it says that h paid $8 to elon mask to belong to a special subscription service. but our brains are still doing that think where we tweet that as a credible account. and we are seeing constant, constant misinformation spread by these accounts who are pretending to be one thing, whether it's a breaking news

account, or, you know, reporters with al jazeera. we've seen things like that, and promoting this false information. >> i am putting up a few of them here, war monitor, osen defender, censored men. are all these accounts based in the united states? >> some of them are. you know, what you see here are the seven that the researchers from the university of washington really highlighted as their new posters. so, these accounts are really a hodgepodge of mass tutors. one is a political operative in the united states, some are u.s. right-wingers. there was a men's right activist in there before the israel-hamas war, who was tweeting in defense of misogynist influencer andrew tate. there's a right wing pr guy from poland. i mean, you really do have a hodgepodge of all these people, they're all doing the same thing. they're all using twitter, ex, as elon musk has designed it now to promote this fake, fast,

often very violent, or politically, with a political opera -- political aim, i apologize. and that's what they're doing. again, it's a really, i saw a poster that is really emotionally charged, this graphic content. and what they are doing it for is money because elon musk pays to get viral tweets and the most engagements. and they're also doing it for cloud. >> sure. ja'ahan, and also, musk is promoting some of them. ja'ahan, what is the fallout from this, ja'ahan? >> well, thank you for having me on, joy. randy, i'm a fan and a follower of yours. thank you for your work. i should just start by saying i fully understand i'm going to come across as a curmudgeon, right? because i'm the guy who's telling everybody at home to log off of their social media

accounts. but there is reason behind it. i mean, i also come as somebody who experienced, in the summer of 2020, where we had throngs of people sharing their purported allyship with pro black causes, you know, stand with black women, black out tuesday, supporting george floyd, and what have you. and we saw how superficial that was. and so, i think when we talk about social media, the ability for it to be a toxic environment, we really have to acknowledge that these executives, who run these social media platforms, they have done a stellar job of convincing us, i would say, indoctrinating us in the belief that if we don't post things on social media, we cannot say that we've engaged in the matter at all. but i think there are a lot of the social media platforms have been used to talk to fight the environment, the information environment. and for example, when you say the revolution will not be televised, i think it won't be tweeted either. and we've seen, pardon me,

social media platforms like facebook and twitter, be manipulated deliberately by people on must to sow chaos. and i think what people need to do these days, just practice a little bit more informational hygiene. it's not, like, given to me at least that we should be opining on war imagery in between butter cake recipes and bloody pictures. but we have to be in a way that we are operating the social media world right now, and it seems like a very dangerous path to travel down. >> and i think what you are saying is really important, it is to, you know, find trusted media sources. there are actually journalists, some are still hanging in there on x, but a lot of them are on other platforms. it's difficult. very quickly, ja'han, i don't know if we have time -- to give us a very quick way to figure out, they really say they are now, that the blue check doesn't mean anything.

>> i think it's very difficult. i don't know if there is a way that we can figure out, you know, verify everybody instantly. and that's why people need to practice a lot more responsibility. the question i always asked people before they post something is, what you are doing actually, spreading the word, or are you posting because you want to feel useful? i think a lot of people have a difficulty discerning between those two. but one is very selfish and one is actually fruitful. >> you are not acreage, and you are speaking truth. we appreciate it. brandy zadrozny, and ja'han jones are gen z curmudgeon, who is the guy behind the reidout blog. thank you very much. for more thoughts from ja'han, be sure to check out our reidout blog. we'll be right back. ht back. meet the jennifers. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. hellooo new apartment. one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours.

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