for president while voting for some of the other down ballot races saying they still plan to vote for democrats. when i asked are they concerned if that ends up helping trump in this battleground state where we know president biden won in 2016 by just 11,000 votes. they said, that's none of their concern. at least they can have that vote and cast that ballot and still have a clear conscience. that's the feeling that you have that this is a personal fight and that they don't want to be associated with the action of the biden administration and the encouragement that they've been giving to israel, our closest ally. >> they beingn't have been more clear on that. shaquille brewster, thank you for that. >> that is going to do it for us this hour. make sure you join us for chris jansing reports right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now. ♪♪ ♪♪ good to be with you, i'm

katy tur. tom emmer, come on down. the third speaker nominee in as many weeks. does he have the votes? the center of the conference seems to be with him, but what about the flanks? on paper, he's generally a traditional republican, not so conservative. he voted for the stopgap funding measure, for example and is currently a member of leadership serving as majority whip, but he also voted to certify the last election and even though president biden did win and certifying was the constitutional move, that vote could keep him from the gavel and keep the house in chaos. during this morning's round of secret ballot voting to choose a nominee emmer fell short of the 217 he needs to win on the floor. joining us now republican congressman from colorado, ken buck. congressman, i know emmer has been on your bingo card for a while. you voted for him multiple times. do you see him flipping enough

votes to actually get the gavel? >> i think it became more difficult recently. when i say recently i say within the last half hour. president trump posted something on his social media account that was encouraging people not to support tom emmer. in a race where you can't afford to lose more than four votes i think that could be damaging. i think tom is doing his best to talk to each of the people who have questions about him and try to deal with those questions, but i think he's got some hurdles to overcome at this point. >> what is going on with your party that the person who does a constitutional thing by certifying a vote that somebody won fair and square can't be the speaker? >> i tell you, i certified the vote also, and i don't want to be speaker and tom has done the right thing consistently. he's one of the those folks that is very honest, very forthright, and i thought he would have a

good chance because of that because you know exactly where he stands on every issue. it is the way it is right now. we have to overcome this issue. >> okay. so if it can't be emmer, can't be scalise, can't be jordan, can't be mccarthy. who can it be? >> it can't be buck, but it can be perhaps mike johnson, perhaps myron donald. there were a number of people on the ballot that did well. tom did the best. we'll see. we'll see if tom is able to get the votes, i just don't know that he can, but i think we go back to the drawing board and figure out who the next person up is and then give that person the chance to talk to the folks that are opposing him. >> are you confident that come 13 working days from now the government will stay open? that there will be a speaker to put legislation to the player? >> i am confident of that, and before 13 days from now. what i am confident of is that we will either elect a speaker like tom emmer and tom certainly has my support or we will elect

somebody on the temporary basis to make sure we get through this period where we have to deal with a potential government shutdown, where we have to deal with a potential bill coming over from the senate involving ukraine, israel, border security and pacific rim supplemental funding. >> what makes you so confident? because so far, we've seen nothing that lends to this actually getting results. we keep seeing failed votes and the number of abroad and still fell short of the number of respect reps and there seem tobacco a group of holdouts that just refused to go along to get along. >> absolutely. so, i don't know if there are a group of people who will block tom emmer so that they get their choice, i don't know. the reason i'm optimistic is

because i'm optimistic. i'm a glass half full kind of guy, and two weeks ago i told everybody that i thought at the end of that week we were going to have a speaker, so i haven't been accurate, but i have been optimistic. >> let me ask you about the things that need to get done other than funding. there is this package that the white house is sending to package and want aid for both ukraine and for israel. that is going to be stalled because there's nobody to put it to the floor. what do you make of -- of the delay for those two things? >> well, first, i think it can go to the senate. the senate can deal with it. i, personally, am supportive of aid to ukraine and supportive of aid to israel. the question i have is that there are pay fors in that aid. will president biden agree to reduce the number of irs agents from 87,000 down to a number so we can help pay for that aid? will we reduce the number of electric vehicle recharging stations paid for by the federal government so we can pay for some of that aid. i want to pay fors and move

forward, but we need a speak tore do that. by the time the senate is finished with this, we'll have a speaker. >> you are interested in what french president emanuel mack ron said what should happen next in gaza. he's talking about convening an international community to figure out what should happen to gaza and should replace hamas. what do you think of that? >> i don't think the french have any business in this, and frankly, i don't pay much attention to macron. he was willing to sell ukraine down the road. i think israel will take care of this issue and we would be wise to support israel in how they proceed. >> so you do not think there should be an international community to come in and help set up a government? do you think that israel has the authority to help gaza lead itself? that gazans would accept that? >> i think that israel when they are finished with their military operation and there is not a military threat to israel, then i think israel can call for an

international tribunal, the u.n. or some other group to come in and help, but at this point the focus is on the military operation, and we should not be distraktded with some cease-fire international group or anything else. israel has our support and i am there to support them. >> congressman ken buck, thank you very much for joining us. >> joining me now is ryan nobles. it appears emmer doesn't have the votes and it's not looking good for him. what are you hearing? >> likewise, it doesn't appear to be a positive trend line for tom emmer in his hope to become the next speaker of the house. he's following a very similar path that the two men before him, steve scalise and jim jordan followed where they were able to secure more than half of the conference and almost immediately, a relatively sizeable group of republicans said they're not comfortable

voting for him. it certainly doesn't help his case at all that the former president donald trump has now gone to his social media channel to make it clear that he is not in favor of emmer's candidacy for speaker of the house and this despite emmer trying to reach out to the former president and trying to demonstrate a degree of loyalty to donald trump. it's hard to figure out where they go next, katy. when they have 20 or so republican members right now who say they're not necessarily in favor of the emmer candidacy i would be hard pressed to see him go to the floor and try to grind this out through a series of public votes. i think he'll continue to try to work this to see if there's any breaking of this logjam, but there's a real possibility that we'll have to pick someone else and as we've said many times that someone else may not have 217 votes, and and this is as big a crisis as we've seen on capitol hill for a long time.

>> i don't know where he's getting the confidence from because so far we haven't seen urgency to the electing of anybody. he mentioned byron donalds might be able to get the votes and do you think that's a possibility? >> byron donalds couldn't even get a majority of the votes in the conference up against eight other candidates. so maybe? it's hard to see a scenario by which if byron donalds was the clear favorite and gathered 217 votes that he wasn't able to, and have the majority of vets where you can make the case for 217. you will start to see ined conversation about an a toechlt to empower patrick mchenry for a short period of time so that they can deal with this crush of legislation that is just bearing down on them, but even that is a really hard sell.

you know, a good chunk of the republican conference is not in favor of that and there are a lot of democrats that are uncomfortable, as well. every time i try to come up with a solution, katy, even one that you want to draw up with some fan pick, even that is difficult because there isn't a single person who can get the 217 points. >> do democrats step in at any point? are they feeling pressure to do so? >> i was in the press conference with pete aguilar who is the third ranking democrat, and he made it very clear that they're willing to be a part of some sort of bipartisan compromise to elect a new speaker, but that's going to come with real conditions. it's going to come with the elimination of the motion to vacate. it's likely going to come with some guarantee that the house will vote to keep the government open, include a whole other host of provisions that would make it untenable for the vast majority of republicans to get involved in it.

so, you know, it's one of these things where, yeah, that would be the solution, but actually seeing it play out making it happen in a tangible way just seems very elusive at this point. >> very messy. ryan nobles, thank you very much. >> coming up, donald trump has an attorney problem from jenna ellis flipping to michael cohen testifying to trump's face today. what is happening in that new york courtroom coming up next. also, what the off-duty pilot who allegedly tried to shut off a jetliner's engine mid-flight told police what was going through his mind. we are back in 60 seconds. we ar.

donald trump has a lawyer problem. today in a surprise plea deal ago one flipped on him. jenna ellis who was part of his so-called elite strike force to overturn the results of the election pleaded guilty in georgia. fourth alleged

co-conspirator and third lawyer to trade d.a. fani willis an admission for documents and testimony. of course, these lawyers were all pre-seated by another trump lawyer. michal cohen infamously flipped on the former president five years ago. now cohen is coming face to face with his former boss for the first time since, testify against him today in the new york fraud trial. there's the camera focusing. joining me is msnbc news senior legal correspondent and co-anchor of saturday today, laura jaret. michael cohen, face-to-face with donald trump. what's happening in the courtroom? >> the most important thing just happened a short time ago where cohen got on the witness stand. he's been there all day and he got on the witness stand and essentially said look, i was tasked with trying to cook up a number that would make donald trump's assets look bigger than they actually are. it's cohen's testimony that jump-starts this whole thing where he tells congress he was essentially manipulating his assets to get more favorable

loan terms and we were wondering if cohen would shed light on it and double down on it today and that's effectively what he's done. he hasn't had cross-examination yet and he's had plenty to be cross examined on, but so far that's his story. >> how part of the case is michael cohen's testimony? >> it's big. certainly, there are other do you means and there are certain other witnesses, but cohen again, is an insider as you described, right? he's in the room with alan weisselberg, the chief financial officer for a long time, coming up with a way to make the numbers work. i mean, you have a cooperator like that, it gives prosecutors an advantage. however, there are plenty of times where cohen said initially turns out not to be true and that's where he opens himself up -- >> there was tension between the two men? accident. >>. >> apparently they did not look at each other and there was tension in the room and donald trump sat there with his arms

crossed and they were trading barbs outside the courtroom and they're not talking to each other in the courtroom. >> he has a lawyer problem as i've said a couple of times. you have michael cohen who flipped years ago, but down in georgia, we now have the third lawyer flipping on donald trump, jenna ellis. each one of these lawyer whys, kenneth chesebro, jenna ellis getting community service and having to write a letter. that's not a lot and the worst thing that could have happened to them. what does it say about what they're handing over? >> their back was against the wall, and they chose what was in their self-interest, any first-year law student would say this is a pretty good deal, if you can get probation and in return you have to give up the goods on what you know, that's a deal you take. >> i wonder, what does it mean about how good their goods are? >> it depends. they all tell different stories and it depends on who's most damaging to whom. i think ellis can certainly speak to the rudy giuliani aspect of this. remember, for people at home,

she was the one going state to state with giuliani trying to get state electors to go for trump and to flip, and she was also standing up before people in the georgia state senate making a host of wild, baseless claims about dead voters in georgia, none of which was true and she all, but admitted today in court and that's a problem for giuliani. a query about how much of a problem it is for trump, powell and chesebro all people in the legal circle, but they all have different stories to tell and it's just a question of which one has the one that's most problematic. >> other than the three lawyer, another person, another co-conspirator has also flipped. that brings the number of defendants down to 15. could we be seeing more flip in the coming days and weeks? and could that potentially speed up a trial date? >> perhaps, but i think the issue is that chesebro and powell sort of had -- >> a speedy trial thing already. >> to start on monday. >> they had a timing issue. ellis had been complaining a

while she wasn't getting her legal bills paid, perhaps to the extent like other people, like giuliani, who have legal bills who aren't getting help from trump are feeling the pressure more than others. >> it will cost a lot of money in legal bills, housing, airbnb, that will cost you mono pep it's expensive to go through a trial like this. >> it's expensive for the state. >> laura jaret, thank you very much. >> any time. yesterday we got word that an off-duty pilot riding in the cockpit's jump seat tried to shut off the engines of a cheshl jet mid-flight. now the criminal complaint alleges that pilot, a father of two who has been charged with attempted murder may have been high on psychedelic mushrooms. tom costello, this is a twist i did not see coming. >> this is the fbi affidavit. now in addition to the state charges and you mentioned 83 charges of attempted murder on

the state level, we now have a federal complaint alleging interfering with a flight crew. let me walk through some of this with you and i'm going to ask that we put this up on the screen. these are some of the items that are stated in this fbi affidavit that the suspect here, a 44-year-old off-duty pilot allegedly said either to the flight attendants, to the crew or to the police. number one, he said he believed he was having a nervous breakdown. he said i don't feel okay. said he had not slipped in 40 hours and also said he thought he'd been depressed for six months and denied taking any medication, but as you said, suggested it was his first time taking psychedelic mushrooms. we do not know the context there. first time that day? was he allegedly taking those mushrooms because of his depression? we simply don't know. reminder, he is an off-duty alaska airlines pilot who was in

the cockpit, catching a ride to san francisco where he grabbed the control switches that killed the engines and therefore shutting off fuel to the engines and shutting down the engines and that resulted in a skirmish. a 30-second skirmish in the cockpit before the co-pilot and the pilot managed to get him out the door. this is weird. he then walked casually to the rear of the plane, talked to the flight attendant at the rear of the plane and said you better put me in cuffs or things are going to get bad. she put what we believe are zip tie cuffs on him. he allegedly tried to open one of the exit doors virtually impossible at altitude, but tried and then as you know they declared an emergency and landed in portland and police came onboard and arrested him. so the question now is, of course, is there -- there appears to be a mental health component to whatever happened and there may be some sort of a narcotic component as well, katy?

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after two more hostages were released yesterday israel is now hoping for more and trying a new tactic to get them out. leaflets dropped over gaza offering a cash reward for information on where they are.

joining us now from tel aviv is nbc news correspondent hala gorani. so tell me more about these leaflets. >> yeah. you're showing images of them there offering those cash rewards for anybody providing information on the location of hostages. i can tell you that even if somebody is willing to provide information these hostages based on what we heard from the two elderly women released yesterday are in these spider webs, quote, unquote, of underground tunnels in gaza. we did hear from yocheved lifshitz the older of the two ladies released yesterday from gaza, 85 years old explain how she was kidnapped on a motorcycle and went on to describe how she was made to walk for miles in these underground tunnels, these wet, dank, underground tunnels that she was kept there with several other hostages and that she was given food. that she was given water and

they were provided with medical care. of course, we must remember that the husbands of the two elderly ladies are still in hamas detention. so at this point, this is -- it would make sense for them at this point to describe the conditions that they were held in as not having been, you know, as difficult as perhaps they were. as far as the hope for the release of more hostages, now there are reports that perhaps there are negotiations ongoing, perhaps even for the release of a larger group of hostages, but one of the sticking points could be on whether or not fuel would be allowed in future aid shipments. we know that the very small amount of aid that made it into gaza did not include fuel and these are some of the reports that we're hearing that there are discussions ongoing about whether or not to include at least the amount of necessary fuel that hospitals need to operate in future shipments, katy. >> what is the hesitation about letting fuel in with medical

supplies with food and water? >> from the israeli side the reservation is that it would be used by hamas, but aid organizations on the ground including the u.n. refugee agency that's operating there says fuel is as important as water and food right now, and we are also hearing from one of the doctors on the ground that hospitals, 12 of them are now totally out of service. so they cannot operate without fuel because they cannot feed the generators. on the one hand, the israelis are saying, listen, we're not going to send any fuel and they're even accusing hamas of holding on to some stockpiles and not distributing them to the hospitals, water and desalination plants in the strip, but the humanitarian agencies are saying this is something that we desperately need at this point because people's lives are at risk e

specially those that depend on life support, incubators and basic hospital machinery is not able to function in at least now a dozen hospitals. >> there are quite a few premature babies that are currently on a version of life support that won't survive if they don't get fuel, as well. hala gorani, hala, thank you very much. joining us from cairo is msnbc news correspondent megan fitzgerald. what's happening on the egyptian side of this? >> look, i can tell you it certainly appears to be a struggle to try to get more aid into gaza. we already knew that this was a slow-moving process and it's what aid workers on the ground are saying and to emphasize that more, we know there is a convoy of trucks that were seen preparing to go into gaza. they have not yet crossed yet and it's past 10:00 at night here in cairo. so, look, there's a need for more aid on the ground. as hala was saying, there's

food, there's water and medical supplies. it's not enough. what was agreed upon was 20 trucks moving into gaza. that was just a drop in the ocean compared to what gazans received before the war which was 450 truckloads of aid that went into the enclave. now as you hear, there are these desperate calls for fuel. fuel is not onboard. the israelis have not agreed to that and so now the implication of that is that you have the humanitarian aid organizations, groups on the ground saying they have 24 hours left before they have to stop operations because they can no longer operate because they don't have fuel. as hala was saying, it's already impacted hospitals. 12 hospital, 32 health centers that have had to shut down. of the ones that are still functioning they say time is running out. 24 hours for a doctor who spoke with reuters until his hospital will have to shut down or will be forced because they'll run out of fuel and what that looks

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says that more than 700 people were killed in strikes overnight. nbc news cannot independently verify that number, but if it is accurate it would be the highest single-day death toll since the start of the war. joining us now is u.n. rwa director of philanthropy henny almadoun. thank you very much. tell me about your family in gaza? >> katy, thank you for having me. i wish we were meeting under better circumstances. things are not great. you know, every day there is not much food that gets up north to them where they are. they are in my own apartment which you can see it is a safe

space to go to. as of now they're safe, but too bad their neighbors are not so lucky and we talk to them and we hear bombs often and they worry for them and their safety. my sister-in-law lost family members in one air strike. this is not something i'm waiting for someone to verify. we knew these people and we had celebrations and my heart goes out to them and all innocent people that are losing their life in gaza, and i do work for u.s. aid, it's very tricky, but it's the one thing that keeps me sane and keeps me going is we're trying to find ways for us to support the folks there, and i hear you talk about the humanitarian aid and how much we need to do more of this. >> some aid is getting through, not enough, but some aid is getting through. what needs to happen to make sure that innocent civilians, as few as possible, are caught up

in this? >> i appreciate this. the more and more the u.s. administration is expressing those sentiments and the attitude is matching the behavior at some point. it is unfortunate. the aid is good, and i welcome in because as we say in fund-raising, every dollar counts and no amount is too small when you're hungry and this is the definition of that moment where folks are hungry where you have to wait six hours to get bread for their kids or eight hours to get water and it is a big issue. it is a drop in the bucket, but don't get me wrong, any help is needed, and i'm glad that my sister who is sheltered in a school, two hours after she got to gaza, that's what she had for lunch, some tuna. obviously, we want the bombs to stop, but at least people have some nourishment as they wait to see what is happening next on the ground and you know, it is unfortunate as we know that without the fuel no amount of trucks matters. you can bring in 50 trucks a day

and if you don't have fuel, it doesn't matter. the bakeries are down, the ambulances are not working and hospitals, my uncle is doing dialysis, and can you imagine how you do that without electricity? you talk about the kids in the incubators and these are real people. i just hope that very few people disagree or push back about the safety and they want to make sure fuel goes in and now the mechanism, that's debatable, and they trust the u.n. agencies which i used to fund raise for and support, but not enough is being done, and i hope that the situation gets better at this point, but it is really not something exciting that we see from gaza. i pray for their safety and i continue to work with my colleagues to give them supplies as they need it. >> you met with secretary antony blinken yesterday. what did he tell you? >> yeah. he was -- i was grateful and

there were a lot of conflicted emotions, but we can't discuss what happened, but i asked him to make me a promise if he would talk to my mom after this war is over in the hope that she will still make it, and i just want to talk about that. obviously, we discussed a number of things, but my impression that more humanitarian aid is needed and the u.s. government recognizes that and obviously, there's private discourse and public discourse and hopefully the u.s. will start doing the right thing. there's the quote that the u.s. is doing the right thing when they try everything else and i hope it's not too late before they call for the right actions. >> yeah. the administration is now calling for more aid and changing their -- not tune, but calling for more aid now than they were certainly in the past. hani -- >> thank you, katy. just we need the destinations for fuel is 160 liters, a thousand liters a day and hopefully we'll start seeing those. thank you for highlighting this and for having me today.

>> 160,000 liters is what they need a day. thank you -- 160,000, thank you, hani, very much. we appreciate it. good luck to your family and to you. and coming up, what the u.n. secretary-general said today that got israel so angry. officials there are calling for his resignation. ♪♪ with fastsigns, brew signature flavor into every sip and sign. ♪♪ fastsigns. make your statement.

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united nations where the security council was debating what should happen in israel with the secretary-general antonio guterres demanding a cease-fire and arguing israel shoulders a lot of the blame for the conditions that led to the slaughter on october 7th. >> it is important to also recognize the attacks by hamas did not happen in a vacuum. the palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. they have seen their land steadily evolved by settlements and plagued by violence, their economy stifled, their people displaced and their homes demolished. their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing, but the grievances of the palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by hamas and those appalling attacks can't justify the collective punishment of the palestinian people. >> joining us now, a member of

the knesset, former deputy defense minister and israel's former ambassador to the u.n., danny danone. ambassador, thank you for being with us. i know you have called for the secretary to resign over his comments. he did say that what happened on october 7th was horrific. why are you so angry about that? >> i would point to secretary guterres, and i know him personally and i spent years in the security council and after what we experienced with the atrocity, the secretary-general justified the actions of hamas explaining why they did it. there is no explanation to that. it's shameful and he lost the legit mass toy to stay in his position and we are at war. we expected the u.n. to have discussions, but i expected the secretary-general to condemn hamas. period. not to put that equation between

israel and the hamas organization. it's shameful and i hope reshould retract and if he cannot do that he shouldn't be in that position. >> is there a way to have a cease-fire, to call on the international community to come in and remove hamas from power and set up something more stable for gaza without israel flattening the place or having the ground incursion? >> i wish. it is wishful thinking what you're describing. >> why is it wishful thinking? >> nobody will come into gaza and asking hamas to go out. if anyone is willing, we are for it. we have no other choice, but to defend our people and you know, it is not easy for us. more than 100,000 israelis moved out of their homes and many palestinians had to move from their homes and move to southern gaza and all because of hamas.

i don't see anyone coming in and do the job for us. we will have to do that and we will have to eliminate hamas and we are willing to do that. >> i know it's hard to quantify the support from hamas within gaza. they haven't had an election in 17 years, but when you speak to gazans they're not pointing the finger at hamas. they're saying israel is making us move and they're not assuring us that we can go back home. we are not given an assurance that we can go back to our homes and go back to whatever is left and rebuild. why are they not getting that assurance? >> hamas is trying urge them to go back to the northern part of gaza. we do exactly the opposite. we want to minimize the number of civilian casualties -- >> after this is over is what i meant, sir. >> after this is over we have no intention to stay in gaza, period. we left gaza 18 years ago, i want to remind you of that. so basically, they would be able to go back and those that stay

in the area it will be a war zone, so i encourage the population that stayed there about 20% that is still there to move out before it would be too late for them. >> just to go back to that. you are saying israel has no intention of occupying gaza directly after that, and i've heard that and i've not heard an assurance from israel that gazans will be able to come back even if they leave gaza and go to egypt if that ever happens, that they'll be able to come back. can you make that assurance as a member of the knesset? >> i can tell you we have no intengs to stay in gaza. we have no intention to block people of northern gaza to move back to where they lived in the past. we have only one goal. the goal is to finish with hamas. we've had enough. we delayed it for many years and now we realize we cannot stay where we are where hamas has the capabilities to fight with us. we saw the brutality and we saw the pictures and that's why we are determined about that.

so, yes, to your answer the people of northern gaza will be able to come back to north gaza after we finish the job. >> let me ask you about the hostages. the negotiations to get more of them out. i've heard that there could be a way to get a group of them out if more fuel or any fuel is allowed into gaza. is that what you're hearing, as well? >> we know that some kind of negotiators were trying to support the process where every hostage comes home, we feel relieved and we cannot forget the 200 or more are still in the hands of hamas, so that's playing games with us, and we see see more coming back home regarding the issue of the fuel into gaza, i can tell you a lot of fuel, but they are using it for the tunnels. they are not using it for hospitals or supporting the population. so when we are going to fight with hamas, we have to make sure that they don't have the ammunition or fuel to fight

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parents, executed in front of their children, so many taken hostage in gaza, we have to ask. indeed it must be asked. where is the outrage? where is the revulsion? where is the rejection? where is the exple sit condemnation of these horrors? >> more injustice and more killing will not make israel safer. our freedom is the condition of shared peace and security. for those actively engaged to

avoid and even greater humanitarian catastrophe and regional spillover, it must be clear that this can only be achieved by the putting an immediate end to the israeli war launched against the palestinian people in the gaza strip. >> as i said before, debate was emotional, it was heated at the u.n. today over both what happened and what has been happening in israel and gaza. opinions are hardening and the question of what happens not now but next seems to be secondary. joining me is israeli comedian and activist. thank you for being here. you have written about holding two things in your head at once and your heart. the pain and the suffering of what happened to israelis and others on october 7th, the slaughter, the murder, the horror, as antony blinken was just talking about, but also the suffering of gazaens. explain.

>> thank you, katy, for invite ing me. i think we're just all sick of seeing men with suits talking over our heads with this war rhetoric, empty words that promise us nothing. people are so thirsty for hope. people are so thirsty for words that go beyond the dichotomies of two sides and the two narratives, and what i was trying to write in this piece is exactly that. i'm a comedian. i worked for the u.n. before. being a comedian, i couldn't do much. surprise. i do comedy in front of israeli aud yens, palestinian audiences and also in english. i grew up with palestinians. i have been a jewish israeli

activist together with palestinians, doing peace building work for many years. and this moment that we are experiencing is very, very harsh and very tough. and we feel like there's a cyber war narrative on top of our heads that ignores the people on the ground and how complex and nuanced everything is on the ground. i want to represent something different. i want to represent a place that can hold the pain of both people for what is happening to us on the october 7th attack, there were also palestinians that were hurt. and they continue to get to be heard. right now what is happening in gaza and what has been happening is a huge, huge suffering and death toll. many of the victims and survivors and kidnapped from the october 7th massacres are

actually people from my movement, from the movement that seeks justice and long-term solutions. and these are people that are kept now in gaza and people also that were killed. we have a the lot of families who lost their loved ones. my friends who are echoing these messages, do not revenge and go on a campaign of revenge. in the name of our pain, what is really important to understand here, is that we feel like orphans. we were neglected by the government on october 7, and we have been neglected for a really long time for. the israelis in the south going through these horrors, there's no one in sight to help them. and right now, i don't know how many people realized that. the government is not functioning. the government is not supporting the people. we are not being led. there's no one that is holding the will. nobody is giving us answers. it's just bombardment on gaza

without any strategy, without any solutions. the person who was in charge of this country is a person that we do not trust. we do not believe him. he's not leading a government. the government is nowhere to be found. and right now, it's the civil power in israel that are taking care of the people that were evacuated. it is not the government. my palestinian friends who have israeli citizenship, they are being silenced and arrested for no good reasons. the government is being run by right-wing fascists, and we absolutely do not trust the government. >> i don't mean to interrupt you. i would love to keep talking but i have 10 seconds left in the show. i'm going to have to say good-bye. we'll have you back on. thank you so much for coming. i appreciate that opinion. and the idea that there's a different way. thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> that's it for me. "deadline white house" starts right now.