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up next. tonight on "the reidout." >> admit it, we won the trial, and the judge should end this trial. >> that was donald trump moments after he stormed out of court today. the little dramatic flourishes are really all he has left as witnesses begin to flip on him. and judges start to penalize his thuggish behavior. also tonight, meet your new house speaker, america. his name is mike johnson. he's a leading election denier and extreme right wing religious id log, and most importantly, he loves him some trump. one of the heroes of january 6th joins me tonight, officer harry dunn talks about why accountability is so critically important for those responsible for one of the darkest moments in american history. but we begin tonight with one of the biggest concerns for any mob boss, the threat of members of

the gang flipping on him. once caught by law enforcement. donald trump who has long emulated mob tactics and at one time characterized the new york crime families as very nice people has said he knows all about flippers. >> this whole thing about flipping they call it. i know all about flipping from the 30, 40 years, i have been watching flipping. everything is wonderful, and they get ten years in jail and they flip on the next highest one. it almost ought to be outlawed. it's not fair. i've had many friends involved in this stuff. it's called flipping. >> at the time, trump was referring to the deal his former lawyer michael cohen cut with prosecutors. hush money to stormy daniels ahead of the 2016 presidential election. fast forward to today in new york where trump and cohen faced

off for a second contentious day in trump's civil fraud trial, which included trump storming out of the courtroom after being admonished by the judge. this week, by the way, is the first time the two have been face to face since cohen made that deal. >> when you look at, michael, what did you see? >> i saw a defeated man. i saw someone that knows that it's the end of the trump organization, already found guilty of fraud. the license will ultimately be taken, and now this entire case is merely about how much. this is merely about how much discouragement the attorney general will be seeking. >> reporter: cohen may not be trump's biggest concern right now. we told you about reporting that mark meadows may have flipped on his former boss. meadows was reportedly granted immunity by special counsel jack smith in the federal election interference case to testify under oath. nbc news has not confirmed that reporting, but if true, it would be catastrophic for trump given how involved meadows was in the

conversations and efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. and what he might know about, i don't know, trump's mishandling of classified documents. meadows' attorneys have called the abc reporting, quote, largely inaccurate. still, according to "rolling stone," over the to the best of your memory, trump's allies and close advisers believed meadows was cooperating with the special counsel, referring to him in mob lingo as a rat. trump lashed out at his potentially damming deal last night, again, referring to special counsel jack smith as a quote, deranged prosecutor, and claiming that any potential witnesses like meadows who made such a deal are weaklings and cowards. fortunately for trump, the recent gag order put in place by judge tanya chutkan in the federal election interference case have been put on hold. otherwise those comments would be violation. the three codefendants took plea deals in the first week, bringing the total number to four, and it's believed that

more codefendants could follow suit. cnn is reporting that prosecutors in the case have discussed potential plea deals with at least six additional codefendants, according to multiple sources. it is a concern that trump's legal team has been preparing for, having spent the past months trying to figure out which of the other 18 codefendants are likely to cut deals. "rolling stone" reports as part of the effort, the former president's team has been digging into controversy of past communications and private documents related to some of these codefendants, targeting those deemed likely to flip and cooperate with prosecutors. the purpose of the research, according to the sources with knowledge of the matter has been to unearth materials that trump attorneys could use to undermine the credibility of these would be witnesses. joining me now is suzanne craig, investigative reporter for the "new york times" who was in the courtroom for trump's fraud trial. tim o'brien, senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion and

a trump biographer. and glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and host of the justice matters podcast. today was a bit dramatic, there was a $10,000 fine, and there was also admonishment of trump. tell us about what happened? >> yeah, it was pretty dramatic. it was quite a day, and it's been building for a little bit. donald trump has really zeroed in on both the judge, but in this case, more his clerk, and this is somebody who sits at the bench with donald trump, and the judge confers with. we have seen in the last few weeks ago there was an incident where donald trump posted a picture with this clerk where chuck schumer called her chuck schumer's girlfriend, this really angered the judge, and trump was hit by the judge for that. he was criticized for it, and he was told to take the picture down. he did, but it surfaced that there was still a version of it on the internet and he got fined $5,000. and so then we walk into court

this morning, and right away, it was interesting and you can just tell that this clerk has on their mind, donald trump's lawyer gets up, first thing in the morning, she says, you know, i have a sensitive or personal matter i would like to address the court with. she starts by saying i used to be a law clerk and the judge i worked for was really strict and then asked if people at the bench could not roll their eyes when she's talking. and so the judge right away didn't smile, there was no response, but he said, yes, that's fine. but it was right away you could see that the clerk was under their skin, and then donald trump, halfway through the day went outside and made a comment about the judge and how partisan the judge is, which is fair, within the gag order that he can criticize the judge, but then he said and the person sitting, you know, next to the judge is also very partisan, and the judge saw the comments. they were posted immediately by the wire services, and went

nuts. and the implication, donald trump didn't say it, but he was referring to the law clerk, and this devolved into who was he referring to, and the judge came into court, and he was very concerned. he made open remarks saying he didn't want to get anybody killed. he was not concerned about it. and then all of a sudden, he calls donald trump up on the stand. donald trump is going to be one of the last witness but this was not for him to be a witness in the case. this was too specifically speak to this issue. the judge very quickly was up and gone before anybody could even turn around but the judge asked him who he was referring to, his argument was it was michael cohen. it wasn't the clerk. the judge said he said exactly, he said as a trier of fact, i find this witness not credible, and donald trump was fined $10,000, and donald trump not long after stormed out of court. i don't think it was expected. the secret service went scurrying after him. it was quite a scene.

he ended up coming back, but not happy. no one was happy. the judge was furious at him. >> and that is him storming out of the courtroom. we have that video that was up right now. tim, why can't this man control himself? >> because he's a 7-year-old grown old, joy. that is not a mystery at all. you know, he's cornered, i think everything we're seeing in this courtroom right now is performative. none of it is strategic legally. he wants to present everything that's happening in the court as targeted against him, as a sham, and lacking in merit so he can convince his supporters and the public that he is somehow the victim here, but it is completely running against what they should be doing to have a sympathetic judge who at the end of the day is going to be the one who imposes the penalty on the trump organization, and donald trump. he will determine the size of the fine. he will determine the extent to which the trump organization and

the trump children can continue doing business in the state of new york. so i just think it's day after day, we're getting continued evidence of him as someone who feels cornered, and i think, you know, the video at the top of the show where he goes on and on about how miserable he feels that people are flipping against him, it's worth remembering, you know, over 40 years ago, when donald trump first went into business in atlantic city, he voluntarily approached the fbi and told them he would be willing to flip on other casino orders who may have mob ties in part because donald trump when he first entered atlantic city entered in partnerships with mob partners on his own properties, but it's also because he has no problem flipping himself when it serves him well. he's aligned with rudy giuliani who made a clear as a u.s. attorney by getting mobsters to flip on one another. he's been around this his whole life. he's upset now that all of these wheels are turning against him, he doesn't have the maturity,

the temperament to handle it in a different way. >> and, glenn, the thing is it seems to me that cooperation with the government is like a snowball. people see other people cooperating and hold on, let me cooperate, and the deals don't get better. it's a race to get to the front of the line to get the best deal. the accumulation of potential flippers, including maybe mark meadows, we don't know if mark meadows has done that or if he's just cooperating. if you're jack smith, watching fani willis stack up these flippers, what does that do for your two cases? >> yeah, well, it's interesting because the more codefendants down in georgia who plead guilty in connection with district attorney willis's rico case, the more that only strengths jack smith's prosecution because, you know, the rico crimes down in georgia are basically a smaller subset of what donald trump and his criminal associates and his

coconspirators attempted to do in d.c., overturn the results of a presidential election. so with each guilty plea, particularly guilty pleas with cooperation down in georgia, that is another opportunity for jack smith to hopefully import that good development. it would surprise me if some of the people who are pleading guilty down in georgia. sidney powell and kenneth chesebro and jenna ellis have not communicated through their council with jack smith's team because if they are not envisioning revolving what i believe are the coming charges in d.c., then they're kind of foolish to just completely expose themselves to criminal liability in d.c. by pleading guilty in georgia. the flipping will continue. this will be a textbook rico prosecution by fani willis.

you can see she's knocking over certain dominos because they're crashing into other domino. looks like guys like john eastman might be the next to fall once kenneth chesebro, the other architect of the fake elector scheme fell, so she's executing the rico play book brilliantly, and, joy, it's all going to the benefit of jack smith's prosecution in d.c. >> and susan, to go back, because you've got that case happening, but then in new york, it's sort of -- trump has already essentially lost the case. it doesn't seem to be changing what he's doing in court and his strategy. to michael cohen's point, the only question left is how much he has to pay. is there any reporting on whether his lawyers are having some discomfort with his strategy, which seems to me to undermine the end result? >> well, it's interesting because i think a lot of this is definitely performative, but there is another audience here, and it's the appellate court.

they're going to appeal this, and i think they're laying the groundwork for that on a number of fronts. i think that that is an important audience because at a certain point, he wants to run out the clock. he wants to drag this as long as he can through the upper courts. the other thing that i found very entrusting today, michael cohen, there's a lot of testimony from michael cohen. what was interesting about it, there were prosecutors there from the district attorney's office, and they were there to watch. i would imagine they were there, but they were there watching because they were trying to see what sort of witness michael cohen is because he is going to be a key witness in the stormy daniels case, so there's a lot of eyes on this for different reasons, and i think those two things aren't as talked about but are very important in this. >> and, tim, if mark meadows, who was the closest person to

donald trump in the white house actually begins to cooperate with jack smith, you know donald trump, what does that do to his corpus mentis? >> it's another sort of block in the jenga block of donald trump's psyche, each little log being pulled out, it gets more tipsy, and he becomes more unstable. it's not clear to me the terms under which mark meadows is testifying. it sound like, you know, it's not necessarily clear that he has flipped. he may be cooperating with the investigation, and have protective testimony, but may not have flipped. but, you know, with each one of these, as glenn pointed out, every time they move up the food chain and everyone gets picked off, and you get closer and closer to the head of the snake, as they say in law enforcement, it increases the pressure on him. and he's just not built, i think, as a person and a

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york said it right. this has been about one thing. this has been about who can appease donald trump. house republicans have put their names behind someone who has been called the most important architect of the electoral college objections. he spearheaded. that's fair, that's fair. we know how you feel. you've made that clear. >> house republicans finally found a more palatable election denier to install as speaker. maga mike johnson, the fourth choice for the job was elected today, 22 days after kevin mccarthy was deposed. first things first, who is the hell is congressman mike johnson. last year "the new york times" called him the most important architect of the electoral college objections on january 6th. johnson was instrumental in rallying 138 of his colleagues to join him in voting to overturn the 2020 election. he was a key architect of the independent state legislature

theory, and led the effort to get republicans to sign on to a texas lawsuit to throw out electoral votes in pennsylvania, michigan, georgia, and wisconsin. joson e-mailed every republican to solicit signatures and told them that donald trump will be anxiously awaiting the final list to review. he is as maga as jim jordan, just a little less streaming and bullying. they are good friend, by the way. both served on the judiciary committee, and they have virtually identical voting records on everything from refusing to certify the 2020 election to rejecting 20th century voting rights, ensuring abortion accereauthorizing the violence against women t, bipartisan gun legislation, recognizing same-sex marriage, no to all of those things, and that's before they both rejected aid to ukraine, and voted against diverting a government shutdown. in addition to voting against federal recognition of same-sex marriage, he's written in support of criminalizing same

sex relationships. and last year johnson proposed a nationwide version of the ron desantis don't say gay law. republicans have installed an antiabortion zealot to lead the house. here's johnson on a abortion care access last year. >> how about if a child is halfway out of the birth canal, is an abortion permissible then. >> can you repeat your question. >> if a child is halfway birthed out of the canal, would you support the right for an abortion then? >> i can't even fathom that ever happening. >> i'm not asking you if you fathom it, that's unrestricted abortion. >> just like you probably can't imagine what you would do if your daughter was raped. >> that's not a thing. it's not a thing that happens. so now, johnson, that guy will be the first true maga speaker, full stop. an acknowledgment that republicans have officially

passed the torch of what's left of the normy party to the fringe, recall that they passed on upside down zoom guy, emmer, there he is, upside down, because he wasn't sufficiently insurrection curious, and voted to up hold the election. while supporting the legal recognition of same-sex marriage. obviously kevin mccarthy's fake maga act wasn't good enough for republicans, so now with speaker mike johnson, they have a coup organizer with the full backing of donald trump himself. joining me now is denver riggleman who served as a republican congressman and now is an independent. thank you for being here, denver. let me play for you the reaction of your former party when abc's rachel scott asked about johnson's role in the denial of the election in 2020. >> mr. johnson, you helped lead the efforts to overturn the 2020

election results. >> shut up. shut up. >> next question. >> so that's it, then, right? from now to be a republican means you must be an election denier or get out of the party? >> you know, i'm not an election denier, joy, so it's unbelievable to me that they would just sort of scoff at that question when it's a valid question, number one. number two, joy, i think you're probably asking, well, how did he get to this point? you know, in the air force, we call somebody like mike a clutter candidate, he comes out of clutter and pops up on the radar so you can see him. he's a loyal soldier to the far right movement. the fact that he would scoff at the question, you're going to a keg party, there's no beer in that keg, it's actually kool-aid, it's a ridiculous answer and ridiculous laughter is so reprehensible that they would laugh at something like that knowing that mike johnson,

you know, i know a lot about january 6th, i know about the november 7th letter. i know he's in the text messages between mike lee and mark meadows, so, listen, he is a very savvy guy. you meet him in person, he's gracious, respectful. but the thing that i have against mike johnson is that he's a virulent election denier, and that's a hill too far for anybody that's sane. >> fox news paid $787 million because of the lies about dominion. he was touting those lies on a radio interview. he apparently believes all of it, the hugo chavez stuff and everything. the other thing that i think is sad is the collapse of the people like ken buck of colorado who initially said i can't vote for somebody who doesn't accept the validity of the election. here he is changing his whole tune. do we have it? he reversed it. i don't think we have it to play. but he essentially said, oh, people make mistakes, so now

he's gone from saying, i cannot vote for jim jordan because he's an election denier, to fine. what do you make of the fact that none of the so called normies stood up to this guy? >> because they're not normies. if you say you're actually somebody who cares about the constitution, and you're somebody who wants to keep your word, you have to be incredibly stable, incredibly direct in your answers but you also have to be an individual who doesn't change your mind on a whim, and i think what ken buck did is indicative of what happened in congress today. you roll out of fear and you know that trump is standing right over there behind your shoulder, and he can actually get at you at any point. mike johnson is the candidate for speaker of the house and ken buck got in line. that should bother anybody out there voting for these individuals. it's hard to trust anybody's word when, you know, anything will get them to change, and they could have an excuse for it right off the tip of their tongue. >> let me play what matt gaetz had to say about all of this.

>> maga is ascendant and if you don't think that moving from kevin mccarthy to maga mike johnson shows the asen dense of this movement and where the power in the republican party truly lies, then you're not paying attention. >> a broken clock is right once a day, and he's right. there is no nor republican party. there's just that guy and the people with him. how does that work with elections coming up? because maga is not popular. they keep losing when they put up people like this to be elected beyond their little red districts. this guy is virulently antiabortion, virulently anti-lgbtq, there are republicans who won in districts where biden won. aren't they setting themselves up to lose the house? >> i think it could be a 20 or 30 seat swing.

20% of the american electorate believe the elections of stolen. listening to matt gaetz is like listening to a wet far, nobody wants to listen to him or be around him. he's right about maga mike johnson, and the fact is -- i swear to god. the fact is that matt gaetz might be the most powerful person in congress right now. look what he did. he did it. and that's the thing that people need to recognize. matt gaetz changed the speaker of the house to somebody much further to the right of mccarthy. an amazing feat. >> part of the job is fundraising. i'm not sure he's good at thatment lots of performative stuff. i think this is the first time fart was used on msnbc, congratulations. >> thank you. coming up next, harry dunn joins me to discuss the chaos on capitol hill, and his new book which recounts his work as a capitol police officer and details that traumatic day on january 6th, 2021.

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punch. >> until then, i had never seen anyone physically assault capitol police or mpd, let alone witness mass assaults being perpetrated on law enforcement officers. one woman in a pink maga shirt yelled, you hear that guys, this [ bleep ] voted for joe biden. then the crowd, perhaps around 20 people, joined in screaming, boo [ bleep ] . no one had ever, ever called me a [ bleep ] while wearing the uniform of a capitol police officer. >> that was a direct result of donald trump and the republican party rejecting the results of the 2020 election. today, the newly elected speaker of the house mike johnson embodies that ethos. johnson was the most important architect of the electoral college objections and helped corral republican volts against

certifying the elections in multiple swing states, not his own. in the past three weeks, we have only seen two speaker candidates who did not object to the 2020 election. and that's because in today's republican party, election a ba and not a mark of shame. in fact, it is now a requirement. in a central tenet of republicanism, their denialism is also a daily insult to people like officer dunn. in his new book, standing my ground, a capitol hill officer's fight for accountability and good trouble after january 6th. he writes, i speak out not because i wa something for me, but because i want accountability. i want the people responsible for that day, including trump and anybody else who conspired to breach the capitol, and try to halt our democracy to pay a price just like we paid a price. and joining me now is officer harry dunn, author of the aforementioned newly published book standing my ground, and i have a copy here. we're going to hold it up

because everyone needs to read this because i think it has gotten so far away that people don't remember it. i want to get into some of what you write about that day. i want to ask you to react to the fact that the republican caucus has now elected one of the top election deniers to be their speakers. >> always good to be with you. one thing i've got to point out, though, the we that i talk about in that book, i don't want people to think that's necessarily the capitol police officers, me, the american citizens. i write this book as an american citizen, and that's where my viewpoint is coming from. i care about this country. i care about, you know, the way it functions. i want it to work well for all of us. that's the we that i talk about. as far as the new speaker, i don't really have an opinion about it. one of the things, one of the reasons why i did write the book is to give a factual representation, account of what happened that day. i want the voters to be educated. the voters are the people who

hold the representatives accountable. not me. my job is to protect those members that the american people sent. while i can have an opinion, i want their opinion to be an educated one, and it to be reflected at the ballot box, because those american people are the people that hold the elected officials accountable. >> i will note he did not deny his own election, he validated that particular election. you describe in your book getting on a video call with your daughter after the insurrection and talk about that a little bit. >> you know, we had a moment that was a little, i'll call it a lull in activity, and i was talking with a group of other officers and i said, hey, y'all, call, text your loved ones, i'm sure everyone is worried about us, send a message that i'm okay, and i went to go grab my phone, i realized i didn't have it with me. when i retraced my steps, i went out to grab it. i was emotional, crying throughout the day.

and i wanted to get myself together. picked up my phone, and my daughter was video calling me at that moment, as soon as i picked up my phone, so i was like, let me get myself together, i wiped my eyes and the grime, the pepper spray remnants were on my coat and i wiped the pepper spray in my eyes and it smeared it, and it was so painful, and i didn't want to scare her. i'm holding it together, in my dad voice, hi, baby, she's going on telling me about her day. on the inside, i'm like, i got to go, this is killing me. tell your mother i'm okay and i got off the phone, let out a scream or a yell, just tried to get my eyes together. even in the middle of an insurrection, you're not too busy to be a dad, i guess. >> absolutely. some of the experiences you describe in the book, i mean, these insurrectionists ripping up a picture of john lewis, your testimony about having the n-word hurling at you, something that first of all, you're not a

little dude, so they took a lot of chances messing with you. but they were bold enough to feel like they could call you the n-word, rip up a picture of john lewis. talk about how did you control yourself. i have covered a lot of issues with police, the question is how you control your emotions in that moment? >> one, i work with an incredible group of men and women, and they showed the absolute most professionalism. it speaks to the caliber of the men and women that i work with. individually, just do what i think is right. i don't really know how i was able to keep my composure, you know, when all else fails and everything hits the wall, you rely on your training, your instincts, and i guess i attribute the way i respond to the way i was raised, my temperament, i was furious and screaming and yelling at individuals. i wasn't officer friendly that day, but it was about making it

home to my loved ones while maintaining keeping the members of congress and everybody inside that building safe. >> is it hard for you to do this job knowing that some of the people you're protecting were a part of it or at least agreed with what happened that day? >> you know, i had to reshape my whole narrative. what are we doing, like what do i do, the public service element of it. i have to look at what did that seat represent, the seat that a member of congress, though i may disagree with. what does that seat represent? it represents the american people, it represents democracy. and no matter who occupies that seat, i have to realize that seat existed hundreds of years before that person existed and by us continuing to do our job, it will exist hundreds of years after they no longer exist. so, you know, we may not enjoy or agree with the individual who

occupies that seat at the moment, but future generations count on us to maintain it. that's why defending democracy is so important. so it's difficult, but kind of like bigger picture kind of thinking, you know. >> absolutely. officer harry dunn, you are a hero, and all of the people who were with you on that day and taking those beatings, are heroic, and i hope that you know that and you take that in, because it is true. >> thank you. >> thank you my friend. >> always good to talk to you. >> officer of "standing my ground," we'll be right back.

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and it stays off. (soft music) more than 6,500 people have been killed in gaza including 2,700 children according to the health spokesman in gaza. nbc's ellison barber takes us inside el shifa hospital where doctors struggle to treat patients as gaza's is crumbling. a warning, the images you're about to see are graphic. >> reporter: if the walls of gaza's el shifa hospital could talk, they would tell a story of a perpetual hell, of children crying out in agony, bloody, fighting for their lives after israeli air strikes. >> 40% of all of the wounded are

children. this is a 9-year-old little boy with a huge blast defect in his back. this war is different in the types of ordinance that's used has a much bigger, incendiary component to it. >> reporter: the walls of el shifa hospital cannot speak. but they carry the echoes of the most brutal, often unspeakable moments of war. if the world listens. >> today israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said that israel is preparing for a ground invasion of gaza, but he did not say when it will happen. more than 200 hostages are believed to be trapped in gaza. joining me now is daniel levy, and former senior adviser to ahu barak, and thank you both

for being here. mr. amadun, i want to start with you, to talk about what we just saw is horrific. it's very hard to watch, especially the children. the u.n. has given some very grave assessments of what's happening in gaza. i know your family's there. you have written very movingly about the fears you have for your own family. can you tell us to the extent that you know what is life like for your family, for people in gaza right now? >> yeah, it's -- i'm glad to be on the show, but i really can't say the words anymore, just because of the tragedies and losses we're dealing with at a personal level. i have not talked with my family in about two days. this is the picture i received before the connections went away. i tried to call them today, no answer. i'm not sure what's going on. i keep my eyes on the news to see, you know, because wherever there's an air strike, the news

reports where it was. and i hold my hand on my heart, you know, i worry for everybody obviously but i know where my family is, and i know they're not supposed to be in the safe zone, and it's a lot. it's a lot to deal with. you've shown pictures of the kids, i've seen more graphic pictures of palestinian children, and the worst part, it doesn't seem to register. it seems, you know, somehow we've been dehumanized, and we're losing a sense of humanity as we look at gaza right now. >> and when people are told to move south, where do they go? >> yeah, so actually the bombs have mostly been in the south. it's not like the bombarded. i know people personally -- received a phone call, and i have a record of the phone call, being told to move south. he did, like a good person would, and he died the next day and an airstrike that wasn't intended. there's a lot of tragedies

we're dealing with has palestinians here. my family has no choice but to go south for a number of reasons. one, safety concerns. they don't know anybody. it might be in their own place. the children have already packed. we're talking about -- three times over the capacity, meaning if you're supposed to -- near shooting 5000, 3000. so there's a lot of tragedies. and remember, there's no fuel. how does my family get to safety? if you transfer so many people like that, it's gonna be scary. bombs are really close, two doors down, and i worry for their safety. and as you can see, i'm trying to tell everybody where my family is, especially my mom who is 71 years old and hasn't done any harm to anybody. she's a homemaker, a loving mother, and a grandmother now. she surrounded by the kids, who love her, and so many of them around her. they're not feeling safe, and -- somehow, that feels misfired

right now. even -- really worried about what's going on around them, not to mention that humans. >> let me just play a moment for you, daniel levy. this is a woman from jordan, she's of palestinian background, and she spoke with christiane amanpour. >> are we being told that it is wrong to kill a family, an entire family at gunpoint, but it's okay to solve them to death? i mean, there's a glaring double standard here. it's just shocking to the arab world. this is the first time in modern history that there is such human suffering and the world is not even calling for a cease-fire. so the silence is deafening. >> daniel, what are the implications if israel goes forward with this ground invasion? one can only imagine it gets worse from the humanitarian point of view, and also from the public relations point of view. >> one can imagine it gets

worse. but, it's -- i worry that for days now, we've been saying, you know, with a grand invasion be today? will it be tomorrow? but we just heard from hani almadhoun, we just saw the pictures from chief of hospital. over 6000 dead. we think 2600 of those are children. we have to stop this now! the ground invasion is almost a distraction at this stage. yes, escalatory, but i don't understand what one calls a u.s. administration policy which on one side is providing and paying for the weapons and giving the political support to cause this destruction, and then there's this tiny trickle, a mere fraction of money that american idol says may go to help rebuildunishment, from these violations of international law. what do you call that? is that confusion?

is it political cowardice? is it deep moral coloration? where is it washington college excess usual when it comes to the different value palestinian and israeli lives are held to? because that's what got us here in the first place. and of course it won't bring security for palestinians, but it also only bring security for israelis, and it won't bring credit or credibility for america internationally. >> last 20 you, tanya. because there are also hostages who are now living and for all intents and purposes trapped and gaza as well. there's one family intense mania that's looking for their family, one from thailand. they're all over the world. what are the implications of some of those people start to also dire in airstrikes? >> there may be a tiny glimmer of hope here, joy, which is the

more one can put front and center is something that the u.s. president and others have really talked about, which is those being held in gaza, this might give room for a pause, for building a path towards de-escalation and a cease-fire. the negotiations are ongoing. we saw two americans freed, we saw two elderly israeli's freed. this talk of much larger release of civilians. qatar is working hard on this. if there's a chance, you can -- public conversation, get a cease-fire, get those people out, and let palestinians in gaza live. >> yeah. daniel levy and hani almadhoun, we will be thinking of your family and praying for your family, sir. thank you both for being here. we'll be right back. l be right back.

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