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of robin's death. but that year? >> my mom says, i guess we need to buy some halloween candy. you know, that might not sound like very much to anyone, but that is, like, huge. you know? we did. you know, we do handle candy now. just things that you can't even imagine changed in waysthat seemed very small, but really are monumental. >> that is all for this edition of dateline. i'm andrea canning. thanks for watching. ks for watching. ♪ ♪ ♪ welcome to morning joe: weekend, let's dive into a jam-packed week of headlines here and abroad. let's take a look.
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after more than three weeks of dysfunction and chaos on capitol hill the house finally has a new speaker this morning. house lawmakers elected congressman mike johnson of louisiana as the 56 speaker of the house. he's a conservative ally of former president donald trump and a low ranking member of the gop leadership team. after 22 days of disarray republican house members demonstrated remarkable unity with all to 20 voting for johnson, shortly after the vote the new speaker made this pledge. >> i'm going to make this commitment to you, my colleagues here and on the other side of the aisle as well. my office is going to be known for trust and transparency and accountability. for good stewardship of the people treasury. for the honesty, integrity that is incumbent upon us, all of us, here at the peoples house. >> speaker johnson will immediately have to work within his party and with the biden white house to figure out how
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to fund the government before money runs out on november 17th and deliver critical aid packages to ukraine and israel. as for speaker johnson himself, he is arguably the most ideological conservative person to serve as speaker since newt gingrich in the 1990s. johnson is an outspoken opponent of abortion and lgbtq rights. the 51-year-old also played an instrumental role in the gop's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. he led the amicus brief, signed by 100 republicans backing it texas lawsuit seeking to invalidate the 2020 election results in four swing states. won by president biden. the new york times called johnson, quote, the most important architect of the electoral college objections. ahead of yesterday's vote, a democratic caucus chair he aguilar of california called
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out johnson for his previous efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. >> this has been about one thing. this has been about who can appease donald trump. house republicans have put their names behind someone who has been called the most important architect of the electoral college objections. he spearheaded -- that's fair, that's fair. we know how you feel, you've made that clear. >> dam right, somebody in the chamber yells. meanwhile, former president trump congratulated the new speaker by posting on social media, quote, maga mike johnson? adding that johnson will be, quote, a great speaker. let's bring in the white house senator for politico sam stein and congressional investigators reporter for the washington post jackie alameda, and founder of the conservative website the bulwark charlie sykes. willy, this is going to be interesting this election
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denier as speaker of the house. >> and charlie sykes it just look at's who celebrated the loudest yesterday it was don't trump, matt gaetz, somehow they got moderates, the new york moderates who have been holding some of the power here. mike lawler, for example, got on board with mike johnson. and the truth is, as somebody pointed to me yesterday, is jim jordan with a jacket and a better haircut, which is to say he's full-throated leave support of the effort to overturn the 2020 election. obviously very conservative of it issues of abortion, lgbtq rights. what's your assessment of where the party landed? here >> no question with the biggest winners are here. matt gaetz maybe loathed by his colleagues, but he got his way. right? he blew it up, he managed to torpedo kevin mccarthy, to block steve scalise, touches tom emmer, and eventually did get his own candidate.
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adam kings under describes mike johnson as jim jordan in drag. so there's no question about it, this is a full mulga speaker. you know, to describe him as one of the chief architects of the electoral up college objections actually understates mike johnson's role. i, mean mike johnson is a full-throated believer in crack level conspiracy theories about dominion, hugo chavez. if he had gotten his way tens of millions of votes would have been thrown out. he is, he may be a personable individual but he is a pure idealogue. but i think it's extraordinary to look back at all of this chaos that matt gaetz and, you know, a handful of other members of the caucus, of the people that john mccain called the waco birds. john boehner called them legislative terrorists. ben with his calls them the crazed jackal caucus. ultimately they got their way. all of the normies caved in.
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for a brief five minutes it looked like the moderates were going to hold the line, but, ultimately, swishes did which is which is always do and the fact it was unanimous is also extraordinary. >> that was my question to you, jackie. what happened here, what changed when you have people like ken buck and others saying i will not support somebody who is an election denier? full stop. and then yesterday he got the votes he needed. >> it was a really remarkable turn of events to see somebody with, perhaps the lowest name i.d. in all of american history become speaker in a matter of 24, less than 24 hours, actually with full support of his conference. i think johnson benefited from a number of things. , primarily the fact that he has no national profile, even his colleagues didn't have time to properly vet him as one lawmaker told me, he didn't have time to go through all of his votes overnight in that
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period from tuesday night when tom emmer's door mounted the conference, dropping out as speaker, and mike johnson then became the speaker. he also benefited from fatigue, i think. if lawmakers are being honest. when i spoke with ken buck yesterday he said that he supported mike johnson, he tried to draw a distinction between his opposition to jim jordan and mike johnson saying, making this argument that jordan was actively involved in encouraging the rioters to storm the u.s. capitol. he was in the white house, in touch with trump in these efforts to overturn the 2020 election and that mike johnson was involved in the lawyerly aspects of the fight and, therefore, it wasn't as harmful. but, when i asked buck why he didn't ask johnson in the gop has conference meeting as he had with other candidates whether he was -- whether he still believed the 2020 election was stolen, but
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simply said it was a really long day. there were 12 other things going on and he just didn't get to the question, but he was hopeful that johnson would answer it appropriately. i asked johnson right after he gave his press conference, his first press conference as house gop speaker, whether or not he believed the 2020 election was stolen and he simply said his position was well-known and he wasn't going to be talking about issues yesterday. >> wow. so sam stein, big picture. how does mitch mcconnell work with him? what do you see in terms of actual government running policy being created, laws passing, what do you see coming in the future given his extreme stances and how he works with other republicans who, perhaps, don't carry those same leaves? >> it's a great question. there is a couple of things that have to come to head, right? one is funding the government. we have a matter of weeks until
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the current resolution runs out. but they've got to get it funded. and you have got to wonder if he is going to get -- johnson's got a little bit of runway to handle that. the other is this supplemental foreign aid package that was introduced. 106 billion dollars in ukraine, israel, border aid, humanitarian aid. hold that it's gonna be packaged together. you know, does he get any leeway to push that forward? if so maybe they can get it done when it gets paired back. mitch mcconnell has got to figure out how much pressure he puts on him, as well. it is a great unknown. keep in mind, there is no template by which we can really judge mike johnson here. he is never done this before,'s legislative record is very sparse, he has only been a four term member of congress, he doesn't have the leadership experience out of anyone who also ran for the post has. so this is all sort of on the fly, experimental governance. he is second in line to the presidency and people are
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googling him right now to figure out what's going on. so, i am just completely uncertain as everyone else is as to how these next couple of weeks go but there are some major things that you have to happen. >> charlie, the idea that mike johnson's colleagues, republican power colleagues, the moderates didn't have time to vet improperly because it was moving so quickly doesn't pass the lab test. because it wasn't moving quickly, number, one and you only have to google him to find out that is why the architects and leaders in the attempt to overturn the 2020 election that was slapped down by the supreme court, ultimately, without amicus brief in the texas lawsuit. but, speak to the donald trump of it all, here. for all the talk of his, perhaps waning influence he was able to take out emmert when he wanted to, when he decided he wasn't the right guy because he wasn't a strong enough supporter and, at the end of the day, he looked at mike johnson to donald trump and said, oh, he did all that stuff on my behalf around the 2020 election. congress, he's the guy. >> yeah, there's no question
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about it. in case there is any doubt that donald trump is sitting in a courtroom in new york, but he's still the apex predator of the republican party. tom emmer is not the speaker because he refused to go along with donald trump's coup attempts. mike johnson, this fifth string speaker that nobody really knows anything about is in fact a second in line to the presidency because of the role he played in trying to get donald trump's to overthrow the election. i mean, this is really not rocket science. this is now a full maga house and, whether it was exhaustion or lack of courage or lack of imagination, you know, you have the entire republican party, basically now lining up behind a super huber trump speaker, which seems to be the story of the last seven years, isn't it? it seems to be the story of 2023, it seems to be the story of 2024. >> the bulwark's charlie sykes,
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trump associated lawyer and fourth codefendant overall to take a plea deal in the georgia election interference case. she was former president trump's senior legal adviser from 2019 through the end of his term in january of 2021. his senior legal adviser. and pleaded guilty to one count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings. >> in the frenetic pace of attempting to reach challenges to the election in several states, including georgia, i failed to do my due diligence. i believe in and value election integrity. if i knew them what i know now i would have declined to represent donald trump in these
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postelection challenges. i look back on this whole experience with deep remorse. i have taken responsibility already before the colorado barr who centered me and i now take responsibility before this court and apologize to the people of georgia. >> her deal or acquires she served five years of probation and testify at the trials of the other codefendants. she will also need to provide documents and evidence to the attorney general's team. can dilanian, how important is what she has to offer, her excuses seemed rather than? >> it is not clear, exactly, what she brings to the table in terms of witness. but it is just another domino here and you can see this pattern developing in this case where a lot of these defendants are looking at themselves and saying, what am i doing here? why do i need to encourage massive legal bills and risk time in prison, especially when there's a deal on the table requiring no prison time?
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interestingly, though, the prosecutors requiring each of these defendants to pen a -- apology to the citizens of georgia, which was a sort of political stroke of genius by that elective prosecutor. but, we could see this coming, actually, a few weeks ago when jen ellis reports that she was asking donald trump to cover her legal bills and was not getting any relief in that department and made pretty clear she doesn't have money to pay for this legal defense. these lawyers, but for all like this can cost as much as $7,000 a day for some of these folks and they just don't have the money to do that. and fani willis, the dea, has cleverly of really these deals, that in many cases retain their law license if they comply with the terms of the deals. they can go on with their lives and become witnesses against donald trump. again, this case appears really to be forming up around donald trump. >> and so, tim, let's go back to your experience, your
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expertise, your investigation with the january six committee here. jenna ellis could lead one to rudy julie, good to see not? she was traveling, barnstorming the country with him. they were telling lies to state legislatures about what it happened in the 2020 election to try to get the legislatures to flip their votes in their states. how significant is this development with jenna ellis in terms of rudy giuliani and perhaps beyond? >> the perhaps beyond, willie, is the key. absolutely giuliani. she is part of a team and she's not just a foot soldier, she has put forth as a leader of that team. she goes repeatedly on television to spout these claims that she now admits were false. she goes to state legislatures, she authors this one page memo about the vice presidents authority. hasn't gotten as much attention as eastman's because of the half that he brings in terms of his reputation, but she is not just following directions, she is there, shoulder to shoulder
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with rudy giuliani with the strategy. look, she may have and likely was in direct communication with the client, the client being president trump. so, she is potentially very significant. she had direct conversations with president trump, she makes it very difficult for him to rely on this potential defense that he simply is relying on advice of counsel. if the council is faceless, as ellis is now admitting, as powell has also admitted, than it undercuts a very significant potential defense for the former president. >> jen ellis not just part of, team she was part of an elite strikeforce team. chuck rosenberg. let's recall that she stood there with sydney powell and rudy giuliani, the three of them at that infamous rnc news conference were giuliani had a hairdryer dripping down his face. now we have powell both taking deals. who else could look, we know that georgia case, there is more than a dozen, nearly two dozen defendants there. we have had several -- for take a deal, three of them
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look for attorneys. who else could we see? what dominoes could you see fall next and how worried should trump be about this? >> well, look, -- excuse me. people overwhelmingly, jonathan, act in their self interest. you see that over and over again in life, but let's talk about in the criminal environment. people overwhelmingly act in their self interest and so, after you have been indicted, after you've been charged by a grand jury, your options narrow. you can go to trial and face the risk of being convicted and going to jail or you can take a guilty plea and, right now, the district attorney in fulton county is offering no jail plea agreements. and so, between those two options, it is pretty clear what the better one is. not going to jail. so, in the answer to your question, jonathan, what you would expect to see? what dominoes will fall? we will expect to see other dominoes falling. people will have to assess their own tolerance for risk.
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they will have to weigh the risk of going to trial and being convicted and being incarcerated against the risk of taking a plea deal, cooperating, testifying, and avoiding jail. given those options, and you don't really have all of that many options, so far what you are seeing from sydney powell, from chesbrough, from jen ellis, from others, is taking the no jail plea route. should mr. trump be worried about it? obviously. ellis might be able to give you giuliani, giuliani might give you others, although he probably would be the worst witness ever in the history of the planet, but there will be other dominoes to fall as people -- and try to narrow their own exposure. >> and their own exposure maybe for a good reason and the reason is that they are lying. everybody knew that they were lying all along, even their supporters knew they were
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lying. they continued to lie, even the 63 federal courts said they were lying. even as donald trump called them trump supreme court, even as the supreme court said they were lying, that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud, that there is no evidence of voter fraud that would overturn the election, even trump's most loyal supreme court justices, clarence thomas and samuel alito wrote a concurrence in a pennsylvania case saying we understand there are not enough votes here. to overturn any election. we are not going to overturn an election here, but we should have a look at what a legislature should do, what a supreme court should do, who elections officials should
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follow. so, that said, it is not only that they are doing this to avoid legal fees, they are doing this to retain their law license. they are doing this because as a matter of law they have been busted about 63, 64, 65 times by federal courts already for being liars. so anybody up there going -- and i've heard this -- the justice department is weaponized and they're only doing this because they don't want to be ruined because of what these horrible prosecutors are doing to them, making them pay a lot of attorney fees. no. they are doing this because they know they're lying. and much better to walk free if the truth can set you free take that door, keep your law license, keep your freedom, and let donald trump continue this law as long as he wants.
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then attempts an insurrection is barred from ever holding office again. the case in minnesota will be the first to test this theory. state law there allows petitioners to directly reach out to the supreme court to disqualify a candidate. the case is scheduled to begin next week and, joining us now, democratic governor of minnesota tim walz. thank you very much, governor, for being on this morning. do you think this case has the chance of being successful? >> good morning, micah. first and foremost in minnesota we believe very strongly no one's above the law. i think folks should know that one of the petitioners who brought this forward is a highly respected former secretary of state, don't go. not just in minnesota, across the country. so, yeah, this is a serious case that will be heard but we want folks to know, to, the other way we hold donald trump accountable will be at the ballot box. so we are certainly preparing to do that, to. but this needs to go forward. if you ignore the law and,
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especially something i think minnesotans and americans maybe get caught up in their daily lives, the case in georgia is about trying to overthrow a democratically elected government. this is stuff you only thought you heard about elsewhere in the world, but it is right here. so yeah, this is serious, and it should go forward. >> what do you think should be revealed in court and to minnesotans through this case and also do you know of any other states doing the same? >> yeah, i know colorado is. i know there are others out there. we simply know what is on the judicial side of things so our administration to have a lot to do with it, but i think the point on this is that, again, what you are seeing coming out of this, these plea deals in georgia and with former chief of staff mark meadows looking for immunity. . this is serious because it happened. the president stood on the mall down there, told folks to go up and disrupt the county of electors, false electors and some of those. it needs to be heard, but the one things is keeping our focus in minnesota is we need to be
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prepared to let folks legally cast their ballot. i think there are numerous reasons that donald trump is disqualified from being president, this will simply, i think, test the legal case on the 14th amendment. >> governor, on that question about the 14th amendment, do you worry about the balance of, okay, maybe this is legally accurate, legally correct and could win a conviction or keep him off the ballot, versus keeping donald trump off of the ballot in minnesota. in other, words giving him and his supporters in the field to say, look what they're doing. they won't even people vote on me. >> yes, i do, and i think that is exactly been my point on this. this will not matter what happens in court. don't want trump will lose in minnesota as he should because his policies are bad and the other things that have happened. i do worry about that, but i also think it comes up against that idea that is that a reason to just ignore the law? it's a reason to just let the slight, if you will. even though, in the long run, i do think that there is a danger of that that they will say,
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well, if he had been on the ballot he would've won. that is not true, he will not. but, i don't think you can ignore the law. i certainly don't think people said this was thinking this was no big deal. this was insurrection against the united states government and that is what they are proving in georgia and people around the former president are admitting it. they are pleading guilty. you don't plead guilty if you didn't do it, so i do worry, i think it is a very valid point, but i think you still need to go forward with us. it will be prepared to make sure that we're ready on election day. >> governor, with all due respect to the people who are bringing this to court, this ballot question, you are a governor so you see people on an ordinary, daily basis. you're not like the president, isolated. you see people. so, what do you think most minnesotans, who you represent, i think is more important. the vikings against the packers this sunday, this ballot question that we're talking about this morning, the price of gas and groceries, what is on their minds? >> actually, this is a really
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good point because i said people are going to daycare today, they're getting their kids in schools. i was at the monday night game when we defeated the 49ers. these are real things. i worry that what is happening like in the house, i'm a former member, these aren't serious people. they're going to pat themselves in the back today after 21 days of getting his speaker. it flew to chris. and then they see all of these cases, 91 indictments all things that are happening. there is a danger that this becomes background noise. well, what folks care about in minnesota's this week we were announced as a hydrogen hub. joe biden is delivering on the things that make a difference and they're starting to see all of this is circus. what matters to them is their economy is moving in minnesota, or moving towards a clean energy economy, we're expanding access to meals for children in schools. those piercings that the biden harris administration did and i think it's important for all of us, and i think it's why this question is really good. this case needs to go forward in days to be heard because the law matters, but let's not be distracted about this. this is a question about yes our democracy, and it's a
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question about the policies that improve lives. it's a very good point. people don't want to be absorbed with his 24/7, the circus around donald trump and the nonsense of house republicans, that is why we need to put in some sanity back into this. joe biden wakes up in the morning, get the job done. that is what they are thinking about. >> minnesota governor tim walt, thank you very much. of q has posted in all of this and thank you for coming on the show this morning. we appreciated. >> thanks so much. >> wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich is turning 32 years old this week. he will be having his birthday inside a russian prison. his sister will join us in just a few moments to give an update on his condition and how the families coping. families coping. this is a hot flash. this is a hot flash. but this is a not flash. ♪ i got a good feeling ♪ there's big news for women going through menopause. veozah - a prescription treatment
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declared him to be wrongfully detained. joining us now, evan's sister danielle gershkovich and wall street journal's assistant editor paul beckett. thank you both very much for coming on the show this morning. danielle, it is always hard to find the right words and to be validating in a question about a situation like this with your brother, but how are you doing? how are you being forced to cope in this situation and what do you know about your brother's condition? >> i am sure you can imagine it hasn't been easy for any of us, but evan is doing amazing. i looked up to him so much and he works very hard to keep his spirits up. he does what he can. no writing, we write letters to each other to stay positive and
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focused. that is so inspiring for my parents and i. so we are really able to stay strong seeing him. >> how much contact? you say you write letters, are you able to communicate with him? >> yes, we write letters about once a week and summarize everything going on with our family. daily life, i try to make him smile. so we do a lot of jokes, a lot of sibling kind of jokes. [laughter] >> and the impact on the entire family must be indescribable. is it evan who drives you all to continue to function? it's got to be so hard. >> evan has always been an emotional center in our family,
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so it is really hard without him. but we had to step up and be that for him, so i am really proud of us despite the circumstances, i think we are all holding on and it is really a testament to how amazing and courageous evan's. >> danielle, good morning. thanks so much for being with, us we're grateful for you to come on and share your story. i'm curious listening to you writing letters back and forth with your brother, i was going to ask you how your communicating, how often you hear from. did he give you a sense of how he's being treated? is he allowed to describe how he's being treated there? >> i'm sure you can understand i can't get too much into the details about that, but i know he's doing his best eat well, stay healthy, he meditates, he writes a lot. he is reading at a pretty good pace, it is very impressive. and i really enjoy writing
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letters to him, receiving them. i get to hear his voice in my head and it just like we are talking together. so that keeps us all going. >> he is an extraordinary guy. paul, from your side of it as a journal, what are you hearing and what our negotiations -- you can tell us even, what renegotiations like to get him back through the state department and you have any contact with the russians themselves? >> we have seen over the months various statements from each side saying that -- prisoners swap and things like that. we would like to see more action to be honest. we feel that it is so outrageous that have been has been jailed and on these false charges that i think it's incumbent on the u.s. government to deal with the russians in a way that will bring him back to the family and back to the newsroom. ultimately it will be a government negotiation that to solve this, so we would like to see that happen sooner rather
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than later, obviously. >> paul, in the case of brittney griner, the russians were adamant that they wanted the trial process to go through and to have some kind of verdict so that they could say, look, we did due process and then she was released a few months after that. is it your understanding that that is what, if there is going to be any timetable around some kind of a swap or some kind of a deal, is it your understanding that the trial would have to take place first and have a verdict as well in evan's case? >> that may be the case. it is one way in which this could be solved and the russians have given him pretrial detention up to one year. as you mentioned earlier, the latest extension was november 30th. it wouldn't surprise us if that was extended through to march. at some point they have to produce some evidence, whatever evidence they claim to have at trial, so it disposable, the russians have said before, if it's going to be a prisoner swap it would have to come after trial. we remain hopeful that it wouldn't need to go that far and that the u.s. government
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could find a way to bring him home well before that. >> all right, our thanks to daniel gershkovich and assistant editor for the wall street journal, paul beckett, thank you both very much for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. jonathan lemire, what have you heard from the white house about the efforts to get kevin home? >> well, this is the subject, and he sort of prisoner situation, the white house does not like to say much publicly. they don't want to, of course, endanger anything going on. but there have been on and off talks, we know that the administration officials since evan was imprisoned, wrongly. we know from the state department that these bogus charges, there is nothing to them. we know that the president as signaled that he would be willing to entertain a prisoner swap to get evan home, but it's not quite clear what the russians would want in return. the one name that had been floated out there, is someone the u.s. doesn't even hold asian german custody. it's not clear whether that kind of arrangement could be made. but, even as the ukraine russia
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conflict slips through the headlines with a little bit here with so much focus on the middle east and indeed the hostages being currently held in gaza, i'm assured by u.s. officials that they certainly are trying to bring evan home and we sent his thoughts to his family. this is his birthday, week and his family is doing as much press as they can to make sure his situation is not forgotten. >> harry dunn joins the conversation to discuss his new book that gives an inside look on the ground of the capital on january six and then the aftermath that followed. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. they switched to google tools for education because there's never been a reported ransomware attack on a chromebook. now they're focused on learning knowing that their data is secure. ( ♪♪ ) with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ahh, -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein 30 grams protein,
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insurrectionists were pouring in the area by the speakers lobby near the rotunda. some wearing maga hats and shirts that said trump 2020. i told them to just leave the capital and in the response they yelled no, man, this is our house. president trump invited us here.
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we are here to stop the steal. joe biden is not the president, nobody voted for joe biden. i am a law enforcement officer and i do my best to keep my politics out of my job, but in this circumstance i responded. i voted for joe biden, does my vote not count? am i nobody? >> that is capitol police officer harry dunn testifying back in the summer of 2021 about his experience on january 6th of that ear when rioters stormed the u.s. capitol attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. two years after the attack, president biden honored dunn's bravery with a presidential citizens medal. officer dunn is out now with a new book titled standing my ground, capitol police officers fight for accountability and good trouble after january 6th and he joins us now. officer dunn, it's always great
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to have you with us. i want to get into your book deeply and your account of that day, but you do talk right there in the title about accountability. so i want to ask you about what we've seen in the past couple of months which is a 22 year sentence for the head of the proud boys, 18 year sentence for the head of the oath keepers, more than 800 people convicted for what they did that day, and more to come who've been charged with crimes. does that feel like vindication to you? >> good morning, it's always good to talk to. i would like to say it's vindication, but i struggle with celebrating people being charged and imprisoned. it is sad moment in our country's history, so i don't necessarily know if i can celebrate or anything like that. all i've ever wanted from the start is accountability for anybody who had anything to do with the failures of that day. whether that be the people who attacked, the people who planned it, empowered it, or anything.
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but i don't know if i can say it is necessarily vindication. it is a sad day in our country's history. >> you're right, officer dunn, in the book about your decision to go public with your story. not in the book, but way back when when you sat down for your first interview or when a reporter reached out to you, as you write in a book, on linkedin. you made a conscious decision, this is probably going to be tough, i'm putting myself out there, i'm exposing myself to these people who are clearly violent and don't care about injuring police officers. tell our audience about why it was important for you to go public and tell your story. >> i think it is a continued part of public service. if more people stood up and did what's right, followed their conscience, followed their moral compass than i don't think we would be where we are in this time period in this country. yes, it is difficult. you open yourself up to a lot of the potential for a lot of attacks, physically and on your character.
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i've been fortunate, blast to not have any physical attacks on me, but there have been some threats and definitely been attacks on my character. but it is all worth it because, at the end of the night, i can sleep well knowing that i'm following my moral compass and i'm doing what i think is right. >> we should note that part of that following that moral compass you're still on the job. you're still in the u.s. capitol each and every day. tell us a little bit about those lessons that you hope to impart from this. what do you want readers, your fellow americans who have seen the news footage, many of whom have made up their minds long ago what happened january 6th. some really choosing to downplay what happened. what are you hoping to tell them? >> i get asked a lot about how do you still do your job with members of congress who are denying the election, denying what happened on january six. my book isn't really for them. the american people, that is who my book is for. it needs to give a accurate representation and count of what happened that day. and just my thoughts of where we are in this country and what
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everybody needs to do. that's why i included the oath to john lewis in the title because it's not easy doing what is right, which sounds crazy when you think about it. how is it not easy to do its right? but my message is to the american people. the most powerful thing, tool you have to protect democracy is your vote. people need to be engaged, people need to be educated about what is going on in this country and not just listen to soundbites or anything. new research, find out what really happened and that make your decision and vote with your heart, vote with your conscience. >> harry, we are now nearly three years from that day. you are still going to work nearly every day as a capitol police officer. do you carry any baggage from that day when crowds come into the capitol east days? do you think about that day and your daughter who is 11 then
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and is now a little older, she called you that day in the middle of everything. how does this rumble around in your mind? >> it is interesting. i used to think about the capital, i still do, it was before january six, i viewed it as the ultimate pinnacle and symbol of democracy. i was so honored to work and protect that building that was built by then -- it was revered, but after january 6th it became a crime scene and a symbol of one of the darkest days in american history. so, walking through that building i don't want to necessarily say that i cringe every time i'm there but there are times when i'm walking through and i just think i can't believe that happened in this hallowed space. it is dramatic, but i'm in a good place right now all things considered. but there are times when you
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breaking stories. robert card, the man suspected of killing 18 people into mass shootings in lewiston, maine, has been found dead. we will have more on that later. >> but first we're watching closely as tensions escalate in the israel-hamas war. overnight, israel intensified its bombardment of gaza after its military said it was expanding its ground operations into the territory. earlier, the idf released this video showing israeli tanks on the move in gaza. nbc news cannot verify this video. >> the idf also says airstrikes destroyed 150 underground targets in the northern gaza strip, including tunnels, underground combat spaces, and additional underground infrastructure killing several hamas terrorists. the military also claims its fighter jets killed one of the masterminds of the massacre in israel. he reportedly helped plant the surprise terror talks on israel
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on october 7th and demanded the terrorists infiltrated israel on paragliders. nbc news cannot independently confirm his death. >> the intense scenes come as gaza faces a near total block out of internet and cell phone service. the red crescent and aid organization telling nbc news that they are and able to make contact with their operations teams in gaza. and, according to the united nations agency for palestinian refugees, supplies of food, medicine, and fuel for powering emergency generators are running dangerously low. we have you covered this morning with live reports from israel how the united states is responding and an in-depth expert analysis. you're not going to get that anywhere else, but let's start this morning with nbc news correspondent -- who joins me live from ramallah, israel. hala, what is the latest at this hour following israel's decision to expand its ground
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operations? >> well, we're seeing many protests across the palestinian territories. ramallah, of course, is in the occupied west bank. i met monroe square here, which is pretty much the 70 square here, and we're starting to see people gather. i'm gonna step of the way to show you the scene a little bit here. it is not completely -- the protesters haven't completely filled the square yet, but we have seen in other parts of the palestinian territories janine and other parts of the west bank as well, protests against the bombing of gaza after the idf, of course announced the expansion of ground operations in the gaza strip. and here i'm seeing mainly women gathered, it is very calm. they are chanting say the name of god, that type of thing so far. nothing that gives us any reason to believe, so far, that it will get out of hand.
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it has been very quiet and peaceful so far, but we have to put this into context with the wider region. we have seen very angry protests in and -- neighboring countries. jordan, protests as well in turkey and other areas against this aerial bombardment. just as you mentioned there, the gaza strip is suffering a near total communications blackout. we have been trying to get in touch with people inside of the gaza strip and unable to do so. we have had to cancel interviews and planned phone calls over the past 24 hours. so, again, coming to you live from ramallah square where demonstrations usually take place either against israeli operations or against what the palestinians call a really suffocating occupation. but, for now, we are seeing quite a calm situation and we will continue of course to monitor what is happening inside of gaza because that is crucial, just as the israeli military is saying the operations are expanding. back to you, katie in johnson. >> hala, very quickly before we
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have to let you go, continuing folks and concern obviously the hostages that were taken by hamas. to even know if they were remain inside gaza as israel prepares to perhaps launch a more intense ground offensive? >> so we have no way of knowing whether they are in gaza and where they are in gaza from our vantage point, but the hamas group is saying they are holding them. they have even claimed, impossible to verify, that some of the hostages were killed in aerial bombardments. this is something, of course, that we cannot confirm independently. we do know that there is intense diplomatic activity going on behind the scenes that involves the qataris, and in some cases involve the egyptians, americans, and israelis, to try to come to some agreement on a cessation of hostilities to allow for the transfer out of a larger group of hostages. that hasn't happened and with the expansion of military operations inside of gaza it is not looking likely, that is
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according to a source close to the negotiations who told me yesterday there is not much hope for an imminent release. back to you. >> nbc news correspondent hala, please stay safe. we thank you for joining us this morning. now let's turn back the united states, joining me now is nbc news white house correspondent allie raffa. ali, good morning. what are we hearing from the biden administration about this latest escalation by israel? >> yeah, katie, good morning. we haven't heard any reaction or response from the biden administration, specifically to this ramped up counter offensive by israel. this is something that was asked of admiral john kirby with the national security council several times in several different ways by reporters yesterday, asking whether the president was given a heads up before this counteroffensive began, whether the president had spoken with prime minister netanyahu began, and beyond saying that the president was briefed by his national security team in the morning about the latest developments in the middle east. also saying that there was no
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phone call between president biden and prime minister netanyahu. we didn't get many more details about the specific counter offensive with kirby referring questions specifically about this to the idf. he did, however, give some updates on the ongoing efforts that u.s. officials are working on. for one, to get hostages out of gaza. kirby saying that he is still pushing for that humanitarian pause, that active conversations are still ongoing. he talked about the possibility that that could be multiple pauses, plural, that this could potentially include more than one day of pauses. just talked about the ongoing effort to get more aid into gaza and get americans out of gaza. it seems, though, katie that that blackout of communications is potentially entering those efforts. we have a new update from cindy mccain who is the executive
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director of the u.n. world food programme who posted an update this morning saying, quote, we have lost contact with our teams in gaza. the silence is deafening as conflict rages on. i'm extremely worried for the safety of all humanitarian workers and civilians. we are at a tipping point, humanity will prevail. and, on the ongoing effort to get americans out of gaza john kirby said the main holdup continues to be hamas controlling the gaza side of the rafah border crossing. he said that the egyptians are spearheading these conversations with israel, the u.s., and hamas to get that gate open to finally get americans out. so, despite this counteroffensive, obviously ongoing, u.s. officials are still trying as hard as possible on those ongoing efforts. katie? >> yeah, and it has been ongoing for a while. my thanks to you, nbc news white house correspondent allie raffa. >> joining me now, lieutenant general steph twitty, nbc news military analyst and former deputy commander of the united
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states european command. general, thank you for being here. what do you make of this escalation by the idf? is this the precursor to the ground invasion or is this the ground invasion? >> my assessment is that this is the ground invasion. i think what the israelis did yesterday is they conducted what is called reagan operations, where you go, in you clear the minefields, you clear the obstacles, you bridge the obstacle, in this case it was the border. then you attack on the far side with an advanced guard so you can secure the far side for ground forces. i think we're going to see, today or in the coming days, those follow-up ground forces. they will assault through the breach, or breaches, and then conduct operations. of course once they get on the other side they will be met by hamas, suicide bombers, ieds,
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45,000 hamas fighters, and, of course, the complex of tunnels, the building to building, street to street. so this will be a tough fight for the israelis. >> we just saw in that report from nbc's allie raffa at the white house a tweet from ambassador sitting became who's the head of the world food programme saying that they have lost complete touch, she has lost complete touch with the world food programme staff in gaza. as you know, there is a near total blackout of internet and so phone service in gaza. from a military perspective, what is the purpose of that? >> yeah, so this is the dilemma that she faced in urban warfare. of course, you do not want hamas communicating with their forces and so i don't know whether or not the israelis cut of the cell phone and power, i don't know. but, i do know, from a military
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perspective, that is an option. it could've been cut off as well, as you know, there are a total of 150 bombing attacks that occurred. so, it could have been cut off from all the bombing as well. so, most militaries, when they look at their operation plans, they make a determination. how much the enemy is communicating via cell phone and they decide to turn off things such as sulfone and power to give them a relative advantage. so, this may be the case. here >> general 20, i want to talk to you about the airstrikes on two facilities in syria used by iranian forces in retaliation for drone attacks on american forces. defense argued her austin said the attacks were not related to the israel hamas war, but what message is the united states sending to iran with those airstrikes? >> the message is clear and
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that message is we are going to protect our u.s. interests in the region. so, we have many forces in the middle east, we have forces, as you know in syria, iraq, bahrain, qatar, kuwait, and so as this war progresses with hamas and israel we know that our forces are -- and it is our job to protect those forces, given that we have such tensions in the middle east right now and that is the message that was sent. >> about 900 u.s. troops have deployed, or are deploying to the middle east. you may have just answered this question in your last answer, but where exactly are they going? >> well, i don't want to discuss where u.s. troops are headed. as you know that could be a security violation. what i will tell you is they are going to the region and i'll just leave it at that. >> one more question for you. how concerned are you that the
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israel-hamas war will spiral into a wider war in the region? >> i am concerned about it. as you know if you look north first at hezbollah i do believe that once israel starts the ground attack that hezbollah will get involved in this fight in some way. either by solely a missile attack, or they may decide to cross the border into israel. then that could trigger iran and others to come into this fight as well. >> lieutenant general steph twitty, thank you. >> coming up next the latest on another major breaking story we are following this morning. the man authorities in maine say is behind the deadliest shooting in the states history is found dead. but the investigation into his murder of 18 people is still unfolding. what we're learning this morning, straight ahead. t ahead. s?
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the 48-hour man hunt that has terrorized a tight-knit community. we expect to learn more at a press conference that's going to happen later on this morning, but joining me now from lewiston, maine, is nbc news correspondent rosa parra. marisa, good morning. what's the latest you've heard so far from law enforcement about how this all ended? >> katie, good morning. yeah, so we understand that card was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound and to law enforcement sources are telling nbc news that he was found near a recycling plant where he used work. also, that is near the river where we know that so it really intensified over the past two days, particularly yesterday. we've been talking about and showing video of that search, particularly by the water because that is where he is car had been found. and so we have seen hundreds of law enforcement officers descending on the area, jason down hundreds of tips from all across the community because it katie, a big part of this is
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remember how small some of the police departments. this is the largest mass killing in state history, lisbon police has a force of 17 police officers, so they really heavily relied on that outside help in order to get to the closure that so many families have been seeking here, katie. clearly so many questions still remain. police last night, when they did put out that very brief press conference, largely just trying to quell anxiety in the community, but really not going too far in terms of details, but hopefully we learn more about the circumstances of that discovery last night as well as, of course, in the coming weeks and even months in this investigation, katie. >> you know, marissa, that community is not the state but a huge portion of that area was in a shelter in place for hours. what are you hearing from the locals in the community now that this man hunt is over and robert card has been found dead?
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>> yeah, something that i'm finding over and over again is, whether you are talking to people on the ground here, whether you're talking to people who are part of the people who are lawmakers or law enforcement, you will see in those interviews, you will see it even in the press conference from last night, there are two scenes that i think our overarching and extend over all of it. there is the appreciation and then a sense of relief. there is an appreciation for all of those law enforcement officers who had fbi descending down here that were a part of that extensive effort, but then also you have the relief that this is over. the manhunt is over, the shelter in place with lifted yesterday but people were still on edge, katie. so now the community can look towards healing. community support in person was largely put on hold because the shelter in place. so now i think we're going to see vigils being held this week in person support and that the community wide healing in a way that they haven't been able to do yet, katie. >> marisa part, thank you so
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much for joining us this morning i appreciate it. and, also joining us for the conversation is nbc news national security analyst clint watts. clint, good morning. the man hunt is over, obviously, every from from law enforcement to the members of the committee a relieved but what happens next in law enforcement investigation? >> katie it is really going to be in review that will be critical for both the state and really all of us nationwide understand how this individual, who clearly had mental health issues going back to the summer, fylatov and was able to just inflict such pain and violence of this town. we'll also look back at the ways they can do quicker or better reaction. so, this is a very rare situation where there is a highly rural area, not a tremendous number of law enforcement officers, they will also look to see how they can use those techniques, how can they improve those techniques. i think they actually did very
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well, but it is a scenario where it is a really large rural area, barred from major metropolitan centers. how do you scale your response very very quickly. did they do it right? i think you'll find out they do it right, but can they repeat that in other places around the country. there are a lot of lessons learned from. this >> hopefully they would not have to do that right if we have tighter gun laws, but we'll get into that some other time. clint, we've got limited information about robert card, but from what we know know about him is there anything in particular that stood out to you as the information was coming out about the shooter? >> well, the worst part of this, katie, was on the night when it started. as soon as that picture came out it was really the worst fear of anybody who's ever worked in the military or law enforcement. you can tell that was somebody who knew how to handle that weapon was built to do that. a firearms instructor as a weapon and has targets they want to engage, it's the worst-case scenario. i think the other part of it is what do we do? we don't really have a set
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process around of the country, it is very ad hoc. we only have somebody with a mental illness with a weapon and is highly skilled with that weapon. another mass shootings that i've been on, unfortunately, here on this channel. when we see the shooter, part of the reason they don't kill as many people is that they're not familiar with a weapon, they have malfunctions with the weapon, there is more long for smith present, they interdicted quicker. this is the inverse of that. you have a highly skilled shooter who had a weapon, mentally unstable, and then the other part of this that we can continue to look at is why did he pick these two targets? it is not, i've not seen any evidence or any sort of -- why these two are chosen. law enforcement may know that, but it is just odd that these two locations in that town were chosen and others were not. you know, the shooter is apparently went off on his own after that. why didn't he continue to shoot? was it a mental health issue, was there something specific about thes targets that he wanted to engage? it's just not clear at all, at least in the current.
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it'll be important to get to the bottom of that to try to figure out what those early warning indicators could be and what are the methods. like you said, katie, whether it is weapons, mental health, all of these mass shootings we tend to look back and we see signs that maybe we could have prevented them or got in front of them. that is really what we're going to be looking for after this one. >> clint you talk about that after action, but, according to the members of the shooters family he did have some type of psychotic episodes and really kind of a decline in his mental health as this event was getting closer, including members of, he was an army reservist. people in the military, his supervisors were actually made aware of that. so, clint, part of that introspection includes having even people in the military and law enforcement to look into themselves and say did we miss those signs? did we see those flags and do enough to stop them? >> sure. katie, this is just a natural bridge that has to be jumped. you're talking about army
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reserve, that is either part of the state system or federal system around the country. how do they communicate with local authorities, the strengths and weaknesses of our federal system from local, state, and federal, is how do you communicate across those boundaries? it definitely didn't happen this time. >> all right, thanks to use. nbc news national security analyst clint watts. thank you. >> up next, targeting hamas. the idf says over nine here strikes took ou 150 underground tunnels and bunkers as a ground invasion into gaza appears even more imminent. a live report from israel on the other side of the break, stay with us for special breaking news coverage. ng news coverage she runs and plays like a puppy again. his #2s are perfect! he's a brand new dog, all in less than a year. when people switch their dog's food from kibble to the farmer's dog, they often say that it feels like magic.
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israel-hamas war. hear the latest headlines. >> this morning the israeli defense forces says it's a fighter jet struck 150 underground targets in northern gaza, including terror tunnels and underground combat spaces as israel increases its ground operations. >> the military claims to have killed the head of hamas's area will array, who they say helped plan the surprise hamas attack in israel on october 7th, commanded the terrorists who had infiltrated the israel on a paragliders, and was responsible for the drone attacks on idea of posts. nbc news has not independently confirmed his death. >> and the idf releasing this video earlier this morning. they say showing ground forces inthis morning showing ground forces in gaza. nbc news cannot verify the contents of this video, would joining us now is nbc news course and and josh letterman life from israel. josh, good afternoon for you where you are.
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what is the latest that you are hearing about israel expanding its ground operations in gaza? >> it was a long and devastating night for civilians in gaza, and what appears to be the most intense bombardment by the israeli military so far in this war. there have been more israeli airstrikes this morning and just in the last few minutes, we've heard the rumble in the distance from here in southern gaza. israel's military says that after the overnight ground incursions, troops were still on the ground as of this morning in the gaza strip with more expected to come in the future. now this comes as the internet and phone service is now completely out in the gaza's trip, meaning the people who are there are now cut off from each other, from emergency authorities. they can't really call for an ambulance and also from the broader world. it's being harder and harder to know what the situation is like on the ground there.
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the hamas and gaza health authority just in the last hour has called for retired doctors and nurses and even medicals to pitch in to help to heal the wounded. our nbc news team that is on the ground in gaza lost connectivity and managed for free few brief minutes to make colleagues in london, telling them that people in the gaza strip are carrying their dead in trolleys that even the ambulances right now do not dare go out into the street. >> things to you, josh letterman. josh, please stay safe over there. >> joining us now is bobby goetsch, thank you very much for being here this morning. general staff twitty at the beginning of this hour said to me that he believes the idf's escalation of operations in gaza is the ground invasion. is that the way you view it? >> i think it probably -- we
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expected an invasion, but we have been thinking about it in the conventional sense. this would suggest that the israelis are trying something different. some sort of massive intrusion all the way into gaza's city, but progressively step i step getting in inch by inch and taking territory, holding it and moving forward. i have to add the usual caveats, which this is the early stages. this is certainly not the way we will be watching it for a while and expected to be. >> the washington post reported yesterday that the biden administration privately has been urging the israelis to, quote, rethink its ground offensive and go for a more surgical operation. also raising that because they doubt that a ground assault would achieve israel's goal to
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eliminate hamas. do you think, or does it look like the idf -- the israelis are heeding the administrations warnings? >> it may explain why they are not calling this a ground invasion. plausible deniability with washington, to say, we are not doing the full invasion. this is just another -- it may not be surgical. but this is not a full ground invasion. the biggest complicating factor, the thing that must be very high up on the minds of folks in the white house and president biden himself right now is the fate of the hostages. those american nationals who are stuck in gaza. i think they will be waiting to hear some reassurances from the israelis that it will not go much further than we have seen. >> talk more about that,
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because i've been wondering if the idf escalation could her chances of rescuing the 200 or so hostages taken by hamas. or risking retribution by hamas. >> this is the calculation that is really military planners have been facing from the day after the terrorist attack on the eighth of october. it's an excruciatingly difficult position to make. they are fully aware that hamas has no compulsions about killing its own civilians, never alone. it must've been incredibly hard to make this decision. we don't have all the information about what they know and why they took this sort of calculated risk. but yes, absolutely. this would make it harder for those negotiations to take place. not just for the release of israeli hostages, but the release of those from other countries, including american. right now, those negotiations
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are taking place in gaza and i imagine it has been incomplete. >> there have been calls for multiple humanitarian corridors to allow for food and aid to get in. what is the likelihood of that happening, do you think? >> well, i imagine that that progression will continue, and the white house will also add it's a voice to that. perhaps some distinction can be made between southern gaza, where a lot of the residents of gaza had led in the past couple weeks. perhaps humanitarian supplies could be continued there, whereas this war is conducted primarily in northern gaza. there's still hundreds of thousands of palestinians in northern gaza and a lot of the infrastructure that is especially needed at this moment, hospitals and ambulances, are in northern
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gaza. so the need for humanitarian aid is only going to increase with every passing hour. and israel will have to do it will making those demands, including its most important ally, the united states. >> and if israel does indeed end up removing hamas from gaza, what is next for the region? israel has the prime minister laid out a plan for what comes next? >> he has not. the white house is been quite anxious for this all along. despite having three weeks to plan for this invasion, they have not given the white house at least any idea of what they plan to do after the military operation is over. all of them are saying that they want to eliminate hamas
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but not explained what that looks and sounds like. these are not like traditional militaries. i cannot imagine any situation where the leadership of hamas sits across the table from the israeli military and signs a declaration of surrender. this is not that kind of war. what exactly do you mean? and how much civilian collateral damage are you willing to inflict in order to achieve those aims? we have not had any clarity from the israelis on this. >> think you very much for coming on this morning. >> and her special extended coverage of the israel hamas war can use all morning. straight ahead, the search is over. the main gunman found dead just miles from the shooting spree. we will talk live to one lewiston, maine, resident for a closer look at how that small
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welcome back to special coverage of the escalating israeli offensive in gaza and the mass shooting tragedy in maine. 40-year-old army reservist robert card, the man accused of opening fire at a bowling alley was found last night dead of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. this brings to an end and an urgent 48 hour manhunt that kept in the entire state on edge. this was the worst mass shooting of the year so far. in 2023, more than 500 mass shootings in america. more than 35,000 people have died because of gun violence, many of them children, making it the leading cause of death among americans under the age of 20. let's bring in leanna holden. she's a resident of lewiston,
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maine, and she is the founder of the freeport students demand action group. it's an honor to have you join us this morning. i first want to ask, how are you doing? how is your family doing? now that the manhunt is over, i can assume everyone is relieved. these past few days have been terribly hard on you and your family. >> i think last night was the first real night of rest any of us got knowing that he is no longer a threat to any of us puts all of us at ease. i think the past 48 hours have been incredibly hard. i haven't even open my windows in the past two days. i'm excited to be able to go out today and feel safe doing so. >> this moment has forced reflection on many, and living on the date of our nation. how these mass shootings happen one after another in america. congressman jared goldin, he actually represents your town.
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here's what he had to say thursday about how this changed him. >> i have opposed efforts to ban deadly weapons of war, like the assault rifle used to carry out this crime. the time has now come for me to take responsibility for this failure, which is why i now call on the united it's congress to ban assault rifles like the ones used by the sick perpetrator of this mass killing in my hometown of lewiston, maine. for the good of my community, i will work with any colleague to get this done in the time that i have left in congress. >> you are part of a generation that has to do with active shooter drills and these types of mass shootings. when you hear a politician say this is my change of heart, what are your thoughts? >> i'm glad that it's finally time to realize, and i think it's a shame that such a tragedy had to happen for people to understand how dire
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it is thatfirearms like this need to be nn. no individual needs to have accessto these weapons whatsoever, and i'm really glad that a member of our community is finally up tanning that. >> i just mentioned your generation is growing up tragically with mass shooting after mass shooting. it's become the norm. there have been more than 560 mass shootings this year alone, and the year isn't even over yet. now that this tragedy is happen so close to home, do you think this will actually not only at impact your activism, not only for maine and lewiston, but also maybe nationally for others to become more aware? >> absolutely. i think that gun violence isn't something that a ton of people are super worried about here in maine. it hasn't always impacted us as severely as other areas. but i've always been very passionate about gun advocacy, knowing how many students are in fear every day they go to the school of the possibility that these mass shootings they
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see on the news could be them next. i think i am excited for the new generation of advocates to spur from seeing these tragedies, as horrible as they are. >> lewiston, such a small community. one of the victims, 14 years old. such a small community. one of the mass shooting locations was a bowling alley. i mean -- everybody in your community has to know each other and be connected to each other in some way. share with our viewers the sense of how the community is doing now and plans on may be building and moving on from this tragedy. >> i think we are all just in a state of devastation. i believe we can kind of rest easy and come together now to heal and hold memorials and vigils for those that were taken from us in this event. i just really hope we are able to come together and warn those who have been taken by gun
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violence. >> thanks to you. you are very brave. i want everybody to understand that for you to be doing this not only is important for you and your messaging, but i'm proud of you for taking the time to join us this morning. thanks for being here. i breaking news coverage of the israel hamas war continues. a blackout of internet and cell service reps gaza and grinds humanitarian operations to a halt. we talked to one agency about the life-and-death inspiration unfolding there right now. our special extended coverage of the israel hamas war can use after the break. break. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i'm asking about prevnar 20® because there's a chance pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you're 19 or older, with certain chronic conditions like copd, asthma, diabetes, or heart disease or are 65 or older,
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supplies in gaza as the death toll continues to rise. >> food supplies, medicine, and fuel are running dangerously low. the city is approaching a near- total internet blackout. the health ministry reports more than 7300 people, including 3000 children, have been killed in gaza since october 7th attack. more than 53 aid workers are also included among that number of casual. >> joining us now, the director of philanthropy of the works agency usa. thank you very much for joining us this morning with the shutdown of cell service and the internet in gaza, have you heard from families, or have contact with coworkers in the region? >> we have not been able to
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establish any sort of communications with allies in college. >> there's a few, but truly, there's complete darkness. we were are daft not communicating with us. they've also issued dire warning to the city about the lack of communication. >> they are calling for humanitarian pause in the fighting. how critical is it that this happens? so that aid can get into gaza as it is obviously needed. >> asking for this makes a lot of sense.
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>> people don't even feel safe enough to go to the hospitals and to their patients and injured. this is something they're asking for, hope the israelis -- it is essential, even in this this >> if you feel safe and protected will doing your job, i'm not sure useful you would be right now in gaza. >> yesterday, it was reported that a medical team entered the gaza strip carrng water, food, and medicine. 84 is the number of into gaza. is this enough supply, and is even safe to access at this point? >> we are happy to see it coming in. it's a drop in the ocean. there are so many people that are displaced. there so many pipelines not working in gaza.
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for all of our partners in the u.n. agencies to do this work, but there's a lot of critical items that we need to be asking for and ideally, we want to see 108 tracks come in. nothing more than a truck coming into gaza. this is a humanitarian disaster. we don't really think we've been able to help people who need help they can shift. >> the u.n. rwa has reported that humanitarian operations in gaza may have to halt if no fuel is delivered. in fact, 12 hospitals in gaza have been shut down do to damage or lack of fuel. according to the u.n. humanitarian office, what are you hearing? now we have this total
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blackout, but what if you been hearing about the latest situation with hospitals there? >> basically, they are not functioning. people are transporting injured in carts. it is a very big disaster stone right now. we have no idea who is alive and who is dead. i have no idea if my family is around or their home is not damaged, so there really is a total blackout. we are hoping there's going to be more supplies for the house those. they mentioned without the fuel, our operations -- it's would get significantly worse. >> as always, thank you very much for coming to the program. >> thank you so much. msnbc's special breaking news coverage of the israel hamas war continue straight ahead. we are live in israel at the latest on the overnight airstrikes targeting hamas and were that imminent ground invasion into gaza stands right
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