across the state of maine. federal agencies. we had helicopters in the air over the vehicle moments before arrived. i was the second officer unseen i can tell you that we flooded that area with resources. someone brought up a question about tame minds. one thing about canines is we don't want to get into the details of the investigation but i can assure you that there were a lot of teams that search the area. i'm allowed one thing on top of it being an industrial park, numerous different businesses obviously there was one business that we were interested in. the tactical teams did clear that building. as you pointed out there was an open door that was found one way officers found on the overnights. again we cleared the building with several agencies. i will point out there. while this is all going on, we have to also understand that everything we do is a methodical approach. we have to say if we, have to

make sure officers are safe. we were fielding hundreds of calls at our comp center. the tints line we heard how many calls came in there. as you can imagine it was an astronomical amount of resources being used across our community. not everyone is unmarked police cars. not everyone is in full uniform. there was a lot of resources from across new england here, including helicopters moments after arrived on the scene. we used every resource that was available. i think it was this gentleman down here asked me, how long you're gonna search for? do you expect to find him? every officer there was not going home until we found this individual. >> you are saying the business was twice cleared? once on thursday twice thursday, twice friday? when was a business cleared? >> main recycling was cleared thursday, on thursday.

we, my officers, i think we had three hour sleep over the course of the c days but it was in the middle of the night. 2:30 3:00 in the morning my officer found. we activated everyone to go to that area. we got other resources. i was in constant contact with the state police, tactical teens, throughout this. i was in constant contact with heating from the state police, he did outstanding job. reinstate police did outstanding job. communicating information back and forth. my hats off to the state police. the direct communication to me, myself phone, that was great. it was a coordinated effort. after one from the federal level, homeland security, fbi, there was boots on the ground throughout the whole saying. assisting the agency. we all had a common goal, to find him. it took two days, but we found him. everyone could sleep good last night. >> just to clarify, searched on

thursday and after midnight friday? >> it would've been, yeah, i can narrow down a timeline. i want to give you the wrong timeline. it was hours after. it was in the middle of the night when they found. would be about right. >> the business owner called you? >> the business owner called our agency. we ended up speaking to him. i followed up with him. i have spoken to him. yes, that is correct. i have spoken to him. he did reach out to us with that information. correct. >> the trailer that may not have been? search >> he had an overflow lot of 55 to 60 trailers full of crushed up plastic and metal. this is not a law, it's just all empty trailers. i'm not gonna get into more the details on that. realistically, right now, we should all be really thinking about the victims. you know? we also the suspects families, as well. we were very forthcoming to law

enforcement. we have all of our national news and media partners here. this tragic event that happen, hats off to the chief st-pierre in his agency. right now we want maine to be remembered as the community that came together after this tragic event. i was on my way this morning i was driving through this bin. i see people walking the streets. people walking on their porches. people waving thumbs up. this is what communities all about. i'm not gonna say too much more at this point. put it back over to him. moving forward we are just thinking about the victims. >> can you tell if there are any individual events planned over the next couple days? also, will students be going back to school starting on monday will there be additional resources? lastly, the heightened security presence in the town, -- are there any >> one of the time. >> first, answer your question

about vigils. i do know that one, 6:00 to nine. it's been false. there will be a candlelight vigil held there in lisbon to remember the victims tragically killed in lewiston. as far as school i'm still in communication with the superintendent of schools. i do not have an answer for you on that. what was your the question? >> [inaudible] >> yes, we have multiple extra offices on, yes. >> [inaudible] how is your department doing? what resources are going to be made available, if any, for the people working on this case for days on end? >> i can speak only for myself the main and every crisis counselor has reached out to me, from my department.

we are scheduling debrief through my department. and those who were heavily involved as, soon as it happened, to go ahead and assist livingston at the scene. we want to give the officers some assistance. as you can imagine, no one in my department wanted to go home until we found that individual. pretty much had to force them to go home and take naps. >> can you describe the moment that your officers opened the door to the trailer? how did they make the positive identification? >> i won't be able to comment on. that we were not involved at the trailer. a put it back over -- >> thank you, i appreciate that. the main state police tactical team are the ones who located this individual. again, because of the appearance, facial hair, clothing, the circumstances they were communicating back to major crimes he was communicating with the attorney generals office, the medical examiners office. what are we all comfortable with an order to i.d. this individual positively?

to say, this individual has been found. deceased, this is harry passed away. that part of the identification process is pretty standard. that is the process that we followed here. as soon as we knew that, the very first call that we made was to chief st-pierre. notifying him that, again, that next level could occur. i'm gonna take one more question. it is gonna be from you. >> understanding that there was no forcible -- can you tell us anything that you know about the voluntary supplements that may have been involved? >> the question is, stating that there is no forcible commitments. do we know of anything on the voluntary side? i know we are seeking records. we are trying to determine if and fight, what did it look like? there are reports out there that it did involve the military. his military unit. we do not have ready access to that documentation. we are following up on that

like we would with anything else. i really do appreciate everybody's time, your patience, your professionalism. thank you for taking care of our community. thank you very much. take care. >> take care. >> we are at the top of the hour. and we are alex with here at msnbc world headquarters. you've been listening to, for over an hour now, that news conference given by those who led the investigation and, ultimately, the discovery of robert carr, the man who committed such carnage in lewiston, maine, 48 hours ago. it was a terrifying for eight hours. we did learn from new information about the death of the gunman. suspected killing those acting people in. main moments ago, the suspect, robert card, died of a self inflicted gunshot wound found late last night. near a recycling plant where he used to work. it is a location that authorities admit they had already searched twice this week.

officials updating exactly how his body was discovered. >> the main state police tactical team ultimately were the ones who located the body within one of those trailers. this is a tractor trailer style. you can picture that 18 wheeler. this is what 18-wheeler will look. like a box trailer. that is where he was located right in the back in a. some of the trailers are law, some of those trailers aren't. he was found inside one of those boxes that was unlocked from the outside. >> joining me now from lewiston, maine, nbc's laura separ. it was an extraordinary news conference. so many questions. so many answers hanging there, people are looking for further answers. given the big picture of the entire incident, melissa, how this search ended in the investigation and steps, what did you learn from this past hour? >> we learned a lot of new details. some of what we heard was confirming nbc's own reporting.

i'm gonna go through the list right now. 7:45 last night is when cards body was discovered at the main recycling corporation. as you just heard, this is a place he once worked. the timeline of that is still something being sorted out. as you mentioned, he was found in a tractor-trailer, a box trailer, less than a mile from where his vehicle was found. that was where there was an intensive search effort. as recent of yesterday, the evening of yesterday, we saw that. a couple of other things. a few firearms were found at the scene where his body was found. we just heard from an official who said that those two firearms were purchased by him. in addition, in addition to another firearm reported by nbc news. in terms of cards discovery, it appeared that he had on the same sweatshirt that he was shown to be wearing from those here at the burning. ali in terms of how long he was there, that is another question many people are asking.

they are gonna have to wait for an autopsy to confirm or to at least give them a better sense of that because of the timeline here. we also had heard officials confirmed the reporting about the long style gun found in the back of that vehicle. they did not specify exactly what to program that is. there is a lot of speculation on that. they also addressed the paper style no to a loved one. they said the no instructed a loved one to have the pasco to his phone, his bank account number. they said that the tone of the note was one of someone who did not expect to be around when the note was found. now, because card has been found, we are obviously seeing everyone here transitioning to a new phase. there is two parts of that phase. a big part of that is now they can focus on the investigation. so much of this was the resources sent here. hundreds of law enforcement resources from all across the country. so much of that was poured into trying to find an okay car to get people who live here peace of mind. those people living in fear.

now they can focus on what happened before. the days leading up to at the weeks, the months, so many questions around. that a lot of evidence that they are still processing. you can see the bowling alley behind me. just one of two crime scenes still blocked off because evidence response teams are going through every piece of evidence that they have here i will take you to a soundbite i'm not sure who it is from. it looks like it is from the press conference. i am from an email this is from the press conference that we just heard. take a listen. there >> there was a firearm found in the white civilization wagon that was a long gone style i do not have to make an model. i do not know that i was asked specifically yesterday, did we find a car gun? we did. that was a long.

until i've seen that with the only firearms found in the car at that time -- >> did a periods that what we just heard with what i just talked about. the gun. and what they had discovered on his person in the vehicle. all to transition to this new phase it's not just looking at the investigation. what is left behind here. what do we know about all of the things before this horrific incident this past week. also one of healing. i want to end on that, alex. that is a big component here. everyone is sheltering in place for these past two days. the community aspect, in person, has been so largely missing. we know that there are vigils plan for this weekend including one tomorrow, alex. >> indeed. we want to focus on the healing and those who tragically lost their lives. very important at this point. thank you, marissa. let's check out today's headline from the local paper. the bangor daily news on news of the suspect's death. joining me now is michael shepard, politics editor at the

bangor daily news. michael, we last book in the wee hours of the morning just a few hours after this terrible incident took place. you were following the search for the suspect, extensively. he was found by a recycling center where he used to work. tell me what led police to that area. >> yeah, it sounds like we are just starting to learn about the. i think it is really interesting that the location had been cleared a couple times. that raises questions about when mr. card may have died. i think what we learned, the thing that stands out to me at this news conference today is just how fluid the situation still is, right? some of the reports, the national media outlets cited law enforcement sources to say his body was found in a dumpster. it was found out that it was actually found in the trailer, the one that is attached to a track. we get a statement from the recycling center today.

people were reporting last night that he made in fired from that facility. he left voluntarily, according to the company. there is so much here. we are learning so much. i think it is a good reminder to viewers on how fluid these breaking news situations are. you have local media, national media, just blanketing this, as well as police. the stories can change on a dime. i think viewers should remember that. >> can you give me a better sense of this recycling center and the volume of trailers that are there? to help explain, if it was searched and cleared, mr. card made his way there at some point. how extensive is that area? >> i'm not an expert on the recycling center. i love about 30 5:40 minutes north of there. i know where it is. i know, i am familiar with that area of town. i'm not familiar with that. but i am familiar with what

lisa said. anywhere between 2 to 5 and six trailers. from the footage i'm looking at right now you can see that that -- you can see what that looks like. like i cannot tell you much more than our commissioner just did. i think do we know exactly if we search the trailer. i did not hear that level detail in the news conference. i do know, according to police, at least in our initial report on the death last night we cited u.s. senator angus king who had heard from governor, janet males. saying that he was found in the same clothes that he had on during the wednesday incident. so, that is an interesting indicator that he didn't go home or do anything extensive before this. again, this is still all speculation. i think we have a lot of reporting in, a lot of steps in this case. give me a sense of, which i

think you can speak, to just emotionally that sense of relief in this community that has to pretty much shelter in place for the last 48 hours. the relief i'm going to presume, but also a sense of trauma as now they deal with a process. >> i know that i did not personally know anyone affected, but i was just going back to the slideshow played last night of the victims. i was starting to feel -- the feeling has to be tenfold for the members of this community. i just saw one of the victims was a 52 year old employee of the lewiston school system, the superintendent said today or overnight that this was one of the nicest people you could ever meet. and you just go person to person, throw all these stories, and this is where i think the trauma really starts to set in for a community like this. we have reporters who, after the news conference, --

at a 7-eleven across from the hospital that was, as you recall, under armed guard. this was a strange situation. it's a series of close knit communities seeing armed police patrolling the front of the hospital. it is the furthest thing you could expect. here it is, you know, people were happy. they were relieved. and i think happy and relieved are relative terms. and things can return back to normal. grocery, stores, restaurant businesses can open, but this is going to be a long process of healing. >> absolutely, the one that got, meet every single one broke my heart, but the 14 year old, aaron young. dying with his father, bill young. just brutal for that family. which brings me to robert card's family. they've been very cooperative with this investigation. tell me about them, the kind of

information they were able to provide and as you look back, the hindsight being 2020, there are questions about whether it was voluntary versus involuntary. the time but he's been in a mental institute for two weeks this summer. what do you know about that? >> well this is a question with a lot of implications right. their politicians here have said, look, based on what we learned in the early part of this case, this should have triggered mains yellow flag law, which allows them to take him to court to take his gun away if there's an imminent threat to himself or others. we wrote a story about this over last night. basically what we know about this case is there's no evidence to firmly say that mains lot should have been triggered. in fact, the press conference today may have provided more evidence of that because there's no indication that he was even put under involuntary commitment in the state of new york, which could have triggered a strong red flag law

down there. so i think we have a lot to learn about his contact with law enforcement here. he has a very scant criminal record in the state of maine. so there is -- i don't know what to say about it right now. i think this is going to be the focus of our reporting for a long time i think. when did people know about his mental state? how much did they? no i mean, today the commissioner knocked down the idea that he may have been hearing voices which came directly from the family. the family has been transparent up to this point about, you know, saying that they wanted, they reached out to people to try to get him help. but again, the details on this are just so fuzzy. i think we have to be transparent with our readers about it. >> yes, you absolutely had your work cut out with you. even though the suspect is dead, there's unanswered questions. michael shepard, thank you so much for being with us. let's go right now to breaking news in into israel's intensified war with gaza.

here's what is new this very hour. we give you a look at gaza. you don't see much, and we will explain why. israel says this new phase, and it is a new phase, it's going to be expanding itground attack. the idf is warning civilians, move south. israel is under a phone and internet blackout, thus the photo we just showed you. not much to see. u.n. officials warn of possible catastrophic consequences of this new ground offensive. calls for a cease-fire coming from governments and protesters around the, world including this large group on the streets of rome right now. several reporters in place. covering all the new developments for you from israel to washington and beyond. we go right to nbc's jay gray. jay is joining us from the israeli side of the border. jay, welcome. this communications blackout makes it hard to get the details of what is actually happening on the ground in gaza. but i know your hearing things. tell us what you know at this point. >> no question, alex. also no question that this is

by far the most intense and oppressive action into gaza that we've seen throughout this war. it's a third night in the row we've seen tanks of troops move across the border into gaza. they certainly pushed further into that area and it was a much more intense overall strike. it was from the air. we know the israeli navy was striking from just off the coast as well. it cut out columns, as you talked, about there was no cell service, no internet there. we know they took out key operational areas. we know they were also focusing on 150 underground targets. that huddles, there were so much talk about them, so many people believe these hostages, more than 220, are being -- that was a key target there. we know they are pushing into try to gather more intelligent as well. what the idf has said is this is just part of clearing the way for the next phase of this operation. it appears at this, point, alex

that that operation will come in phases. a lot of people talked about it all out ground assault. it looks like they are moving in chunks now. they are pushing in further. we know for the first time that the ground incursions have started. troops and tanks and other equipment actually stayed in gaza overnight. still there right now. it's definitely a change in the strategy as far as israel is concerned. and certainly much more intense than what we've seen before. >> absolutely, jay gray, thank you for the update. we appreciate that. in the meantime, one step closer. important meetings in the works for president biden. it's with someone would not exactly call an ally. i will explain. just swipe and it lasts all day. secret helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. and hours later, i still smell fresh. secret works! ohhh yesss. ♪♪

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of your screen, if you were to look really closely, as i have peered at, there are flames there. that is the only thing we can see. not just because of this internet and power communications knockout. it comes as israel is preparing to expand its ground operations. with -- ali, with a welcome to, you how is the white house reacting to this latest escalation? >>, yeah alex, what u.s. officials are being careful in how they respond to this. we have not received any official reaction from the white house since this expansion of israel's counteroffensive began yesterday. reporters repeatedly asked national security councils, admiral john kirby, about this yesterday. he repeatedly referred questions about this to the israeli military. but he was -- he also said the president continues to be briefed on the latest developments in the middle east. he was specifically asked whether the israeli officials

consulted their counterparts. their u.s. counterparts. or gave them a heads up before this expanded ground offensive began. listen to what he had to say. >> well, we have terrific conversations with military to military contacts. obviously we've been talking to them continuously since october 7th. i don't want to detail the content of those conversations. but i do want to stress that these are israeli defense force operations. they get to make the decision. they get to talk about what they're doing. we don't do that for them. >> kirby was also asked whether president biden and prime minister netanyahu spoke yesterday since the two of them have been in constant communication since this war began on the seventh. they have shared nine phone calls already. the last of which was on wednesday. kirby saying that they did not speak yesterday. so that is something we are definitely monitoring and trying to follow up on today. but he did give some brief updates on ongoing efforts.

for one thing he said on those ongoing efforts to try to secure a humanitarian pause. we've heard from the president and secretary of state called for. he said that obviously there were hopes that hostages would be able to be released before this ground variation kicked. off but he said the conversations about that are still active. an ongoing. on efforts to get more humanitarian aid into gaza, through the rafah border cause crossing, he said those conversations are still ongoing. we know that that blackout in communications is already having an impact on those efforts. we heard from cindy mccain who is the executive director of the u.n. world food programme this morning. she posted this update saying, quote, we have lost contact with our teams in gaza. this silence is deafening, as conflict rages on, i'm worried for the safety of all humanitarian workers and civilians. she says we're at a tipping point. humanitarian -- humanity will prevail. still a lot that u.s. officials

are trying to resolve as this counteroffensive continues, alex. >> ali, one more question, the u.s. and china have agreed to work towards a meeting between presidents biden and g this month. what can you tell us? >> that is, right u.s. officials familiar with these plans are telling us that a, quote, agreement in principle has been reached for president biden and chinese president xi to meet on the sidelines of an asia-pacific leaders summit in san francisco next month, alex. obviously the stakes for the meeting are very high considering how much tensions have risen between the u.s. and china since the last time these two met face to face. that was back in november. it is definitely a lot to watch next time coming out of the meeting. >> 100 percent, we know you will do that for that, allie raffa. trump on trial with all the big stories happening this. week you may have list missed a lot of. it next we talk about the gag order, is the failed loyalty tests and where all his cases

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against donald trump is now becoming a family affair. judge arthur -- ruled yesterday that the president's former president's daughter ivanka trunk will be required to testify next week in the 250 million-dollar case against her father. even though she is no longer a defendant and no longer lives in new york. her brothers, don junior and, eric who are defendants, are also expected to take the stand for donald trump himself testifies. that happens november 6th. joining me now, brian riley, nbc justice reporter and author of sedition hunters, january 6th broke the justice system. -- and paul butler, former fellow prosecutor msnbc legal analyst. he's also a professor at georgetown school of law. gentlemen, welcome. ryan, we have judge outgrown who has given ivanka time to appeal. but what was his justification for allowing the attorney general to call her to the

stand? >> there are a lot of ties to ivanka trump with the underlying business here. not like her brothers being an actual official in the business, she benefited tremendously from the sale of the trump international hotel here in d.c.. so there are a lot of times she's had, long-standing with her father, but organization and benefiting from it financially. but obviously -- given time for the appeal process. even, so we will hear testimony from both our presidents sons, donald trump jr. as well as eric trump. and then expected next monday will be a testimony from the former president himself. this case is a lot of money, obviously on the line here. but the judge has already found that there was some liability here on the trump organization's behalf in terms of over inflating assets and lying to get all of these benefits to have better terms

for these loans that he was taking out. inflating to a tremendous extent according to the lawsuit put forward. >> paul, elaborating on what brian's reporting. attorney general letitia james said that ivanka trump remains under the control of the trump organization. including for her substantial's business ties with the organization. it is only when she is tasked with answering for that involvement that she claims any connection. disclaims any connection. trump's attorney said the a.g. wants another free-for-all on president trump's children. does it seem justified that she has to appear in court? how significant could her testimony be? >> i think it's justified. ivanka has appealed saying the new york court has no jurisdiction over her. she has not lived or worked in new york since 2017. she should not be forced to testify. but laetitia james says that ivanka is still financially and

professionally intertwined with the trump organization. in 2020, one ivanka reported almost eight billion dollars in income. we know that before she worked at the white house she was very involved with a family business. she secured financing for deals. the judge says she has personal knowledge of the facts relevant to this lawsuit, meaning she has to testify. and alex, i think the court will agree. >> look, let's face, it paul, it's not as if the lawsuit is based on evidence that they've gathered that began in 2017. it goes back quite a ways. so the timeline, she was at least involved partially with things. so to your, point do you think it's justified? it was certainly a dramatic week with donald trump appearing in the courtroom to watch the testimony of michael cohen. did trump's presence foreshadow what could come as he and his people take the stand inthe next couple weeks? what do you look at? for >> it has gutted what

donald trump's core in terms of him being this big businessman, this big important businessman, that's how he became president in the first. based off of the back of this myth that he created about his success, even though he obviously inherited a tremendous amount of money from his father as all this reporting has shown. he holds himself as this self made man. now you know -- he's passing down the family business to his children, who have benefited tremendously from that. i think the ongoing chattering of that myth is something that really gets on him. even though really, the real threat for him, personally, is these upcoming criminal trials. the core of which i think the georgia one is extremely important. the documents case is also important. the jack smith won, i think, you, know is set for the books for march. given how the way the judge has approached, these i don't think you'll see much slippage. it's really the most critical

one because it gets at the core of the effort to stop the peaceful transfer of power and stay in as president, despite losing the 2020 election. >> yeah, and on this stand, michael cohen described donald trump as a mob boss who directed him to inflate trump's assets. without explicitly saying so. but under oath, he also admitted to telling -- paul, did cohen [inaudible] how credible? >> a big impact [inaudible] it's not all that credible. there may be a change -- [inaudible] ,,. . -- ?

. . >> last question, ryan, do you expect bombshell testimony in this last week when you have don junior, ik and potentially ivanka as well testifying? look, let's face, it with some ofthem in the past they've gottenn e stand. it's been a lot of my don't recalls. but how -- what do you expect this time around? >> don jr.'s most like his father and gets revved up very easily. it's not that difficult. it doesn't seem to get him really -- poking at him in the right way. that is the most explosive testimony. obviously eric trump has been fairly parity on snl, but he's known as someone who is not as heated as trump jr. has been, if you look at the titles of

the book that he sells, this macho personality that we see on the air. that is where i would expect you to get the most possibility of -- getting heated outside of his comfort zone. >> to which we say, stay tuned everyone. thank you so much both of you. it's real expanding its ground operations and cause. up next, military and intelligence analysis on how long this could take and should take. what about those hostages? take what about those hostages?

breaking news, new details coming and on the northern border of israel and lebanon. as fears of a second front in the war continue. the u.s. is urging americans to leave lebanon now. for the rest time, the embassy added there is no guarantee the u.s. government will about u.s. citizens and their family members in a crisis situation. joining us now is matt bradley. , matt will. comes with the ground invasion expanding and gaza, talk about the tensions, are they

escalating? with the iranian-backed hezbollah? >> yeah, we've been hearing just over the border behind, me i don't know if you can see behind me, there is a, ridge just over the ridge is the israeli border. just today we've been hearing a succession of loud booms. very loud. booms we've been here, alex, the last three weeks. this is the most frequent and the loudest that we've heard all of the shots coming from that and since we arrived. i don't know if that's anything to do with the fact that we've been seeing escalation in the gaza strip. for one thing we've been seeing this escalation, this increase in the tempo and the tenor of the fighting for much of the past. week it must be somewhat decoupled from what's going on between hamas and israel. the fact is that we are seeing a marked increase in the fighting. we have been seeing just a couple of days ago the deadliest day for hezbollah. that is the predominant fighting group. here they are also, like hamas, backed by iran. it is unclear who is deciding the tone of this, whether it is iran, whether it is hezbollah,

we have yet to hear from the leader of hezbollah. the fact is, again, we are seeing these increasing -- its heating up on the border. >> absolutely. i read the u.s. security alert was issued for citizens to evacuate immediately. the u.s. has said, look if it becomes a crisis situation we cannot guarantee that we will evacuate. if me a sense of the atmosphere civilians along the border. >> we've been hearing the language for the past two weeks. the fact is that just today we saw a somewhat different wording in the embassy statement saying -- those who wish to leave should leave. now all u.s. citizens should leave. alex, we've been hearing this increasing. i'm sure there's someone in the state department who's in charge of deciding which language to use. it's my watering bureaucracy. it does not really matter. the fact is the advice from the u.s. embassy is if you are an american citizen and you have to get out now. why?

because they -- there's a lot of lebanese americans, passport holders who live here as lebanese citizens. they don't want showing up outside the embassy doors when things get bad, demanding some sort of transport. this is exactly what happened nearly 20 years ago in 2006, when the airport was bombing beirut. the last time there was a major confrontation, full on war between israel and hezbollah, a lot of this has to do with less of the politics and less on what was decided by the state department and hezbollah and other groups. it's kind of a business story. it depends on the insurance companies and if they're going to be -- the flights that will land in the airport invasion route. once the insurance companies pull the rug out from under these, airlines are not flying any planes. there that means the americans who are here, when things start to heat, up they can't get. out this is the situation that the u.s. embassy wants to avoid. when i was speaking to people in the u.s. embassy they were saying, look they just have to

be clear. if you're a u.s. citizen, you cannot be helped. that's the fact of the matter for embassies and the u.s. citizens anywhere in the world where there's a crisis. >> i appreciate the deep dive into the background. thank you so much, matt bradley. let's bring in right now former ambassador, dennis ross. and missanabie see foreign analyst and counselor for the washington institute of -- msnbc national security and intelligence analyst and former chief of of ration's in europe and eurasia. gentlemen, welcome. mark, you first. israel says it's preparing to expand its ground operations after launching multiple strikes on gaza overnight. why is it doing it now? we >> well, there's a couple of things. , first you have to understand that despite some of the u.s. pleased to hold, off israel really sees this as an existential threat. in my old world of counterterrorism, -- they have to do. this they have to move. and they will go through decision-makers --

there's going to be terrible catastrophe, terrible catastrophes in the idf. they even try to eradicate hamas as existential threat. that means going in on the. ground this is not a surprise. tommy despite the u.s. please, ultimately israel will do what is in her best interest. even if there is some -- with u.s. policy. >> interestingly,, ambassador in your new op-ed for the new york times you said i might have once favored a cease-fire with hamas. but not now. what has changed for you? talk about the evolution. >> well, what has changed is that we had previous cease-fires, 2014, after 52 days. very significant destruction in gaza. 3000 palestinians killed. there was even talk at that time of massive reconstruction. in 2021, the problem is that

you had a cease-fire -- they will go back and do exactly what it did again. the reality for israel is that israelis won't feel that they can live again in the south, unless in fact you remove the military threat of hamas. so as painful as it is for me to say, it and it is because i understand what's going on right now, we will just see a replay of this. hamas's ideology will look quite successful. if that's the case, the ideology rejection, the rejection of this violence will come to dominate the middle east. if we won a different future for the middle east, hamas cannot emerge from this looking like -- as if it's still in control of gaza. >> sounds to me like you're saying we need to learn from the lessons of the past. mark, a couple of questions here to you. once the idf invades gaza, how long could this operation to eliminate hamas take? here's the second part. is it realistic that israel can completely eradicate hamas? even if a handful of militant

survive, can't they regroup and find others to join their cause? >> sure. think about this in terms of our campaigns against al-qaeda and i.s.i.s.. this is not saying you are going to track down and take off the battlefield every single hamas member. but you are going to do enough that there is not a threat. that means going over everything from high-level targets, medium level targets to the operational men on the ground as well. it is going to take as much time as they think is necessary. the israeli military establishment, the idf, has prepared the public for a campaign that is not days and weeks but months or even a year plus. >> i remember the one announcement that someone analyzed, it could take up to ten. years that was extraordinary. are you confident hamas is capable of being completely eradicated? >> again, i think when we say

completely eradicated, it has to be enough where does not threaten -- what israel believes is the existential future of the israeli state. and so you do enough. as the ambassador said in this op-ed, it has to be a what happens next. hamas has to be replaced with some kind of governing structure. there is a risk of course of radicalizing palestinian populations. i'm confident the idf can do this. it's gonna be tough and bloody. think about the notion of the 47,000 americans dying in one. day that is the equivalent of what happened on october 7th. we've had the same discussions. now it's going to be difficult for the israelis. i think they have no choice, in essence, but to go forward. >> interestingly, ambassador, the british prime minister has joined president biden and pushing for a two-state solution where israel would coexist with the palestinian state. historically, as you, know this concept has not been successful. it is the elimination of hamas

the only path to making that happen? >> first, i think the term eradication that you raised with mark's. right you're not going to eradicate. first of, all hamas exists outside of gaza. you are not going to -- to answer your question about elimination, hamas cannot be in a position where it is still able to block any movements. i often say, every time we made progress, every time, and we got close on a number of occasions, we would have a hamas bomb. and the whole purpose was to blow it up and frequently their violence was successful in blowing it up. they did this this time because they were worried about the prospect of saudi arabia normalizing the -- which by the way would have had a ousting component. i believe you have to eliminate the ability of hamas to be a spoiler. that means it doesn't mean they

disappear, they are eradicated, but it does mean they are wherewithal to be a spoiler is dramatically-limited. from the israeli standpoint, in terms of not facing military threat again, you have to be able to destroy their military infrastructure and destroy the command control and political control. and then if you do all that you will weaken the instrument, we can the ideology, you do that then you have a chance to move forward. >> ambassador, all this intensifies with hamas and israel, what does that mean for the remaining hostages? if a ground incursion starts to the chances of their survival drop? or will hamas want to keep the man alive in order to use them as leverage? >> they certainly will. hamas will play at both ways. you are right to ask questions. there is tension and objectives. there's no other way to describe it. choices made our excruciating. i underlined that they are excruciating. the reality is that you have

two kinds of objectives, getting hostages back, which is from a human standpoint essential. it is needed. the families, look what they're being put through. wanting to get them back is important. some of the incursions, by the, way maybe geared towards rescue operations. one of the reasons we have not seen more of the ground efforts or onslaught is precisely because the israelis have been given time to have them released. i see hamas having granted the -- device to deter these from coming in. and try to use them to get palestinian prisoners released. bear and mind, the leader of hamas in gaza, he was a mastermind of. this he was released in a trade in 2011 where israel gave up more than 1000 prisoners get

one soldier back. new can imagine that, having had that experience, he saw this as a useful device in terms of what he could do for the israelis. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. it is a head-scratcher, that new bid in the 2024 run for the white house. white house. a digital money coach in the chase mobile® app. use it to set and track your goals, big and small... and see how changes you make today... could help put them within reach. from your first big move to retiring poolside - and the other goals along the way. wealth plan can help get you there. ♪ j.p. morgan wealth management. inez, let me ask you, you're using head and shoulders, right? only when i see flakes. then i switch back to my regular shampoo. you should use it every wash,

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we from phillips is that he believes the person currently in -- democrats, certainly president biden, is not the right person at this moment to lead the country forward. one of the things he said in the passes he believes biden needs to pass -- he's urged others to jump. in nobody has. now we're hearing from phillips himself who's going to take that. step take listen to what he told us yesterday. >> i'm running for president because america deserves to have someone listened to them. i'm someone that feels so deeply that this system is so broken, is so corrupt and is so in need of someone who does not come from 50 years. a culture of conflict and so the cooperation. i'm part of the exhausted majority. i know tens of millions of people are as well. >> alex, this is somebody who is well lightning congress. he was elected to leadership. his colleagues refused to go on

the record to say anything bad about phillips to run here. we did however hear from somebody on the record finally, eric swalwell told my colleague, scott won, and he knows a thing or two about running for president against biden, he said i'd like, him he's a great friend i wish him well. i can tell you running from president ms. helen leslie. when then he continued to say he is all for biden and supports him and his record. >> let me ask you more about. this you touched on the fact that he is popular. this guy, everybody in the caucus seems to like him a lot. when i've read that behind the scenes, we use the term head-scratcher. everyone was like, what is he doing to the point that they don't think it will serve him well politically. are you hearing that as well? >> i am. i spoke to one democrat yesterday. a big supporter of president biden, something we don't get up here. he said that he thinks this move by phillips is going to lead biden to win in the end.

he said that while phillips -- what phillips is doing is wrong. he said it is not okay for somebody to come out and challenge the president. i heard that from another democrat as well saying i like to, but what he's doing makes no sense at this point. again, all those conversations off the record. none of them on the record. we >> absolutely. we will not attribute the middle. thank you so much, julie tsirkin. there's a lot more ahead. what to expect when you are expected to testify. the trump children likely to be called -- congressman, seth moulton, of the arms forces committee. his reaction to the idf expanding ground operations in gaza. the many questions that remain after the suspect in the main mass shootings is found dead.

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