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>> good evening and welcome to
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politicsnation. tonight slayed -- ♪ ♪ ♪ right now, the israel-hamas war is intensifying. three weeks after it started. but israel's military chief wanted -- the war has entered its next stage ahead of a major offensive in the gaza strip. this weekend the idf claims that some of its forces have already begun mass-ing inside
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the palestinian territory, we are an intense series of israeli airstrikes has knocked out communication systems and internet access into gaza, effectively cutting off it's 2 million residents from the outside world. back in washington, congress is preparing to take up the white house major multi billion dollar request for aid to israel. one of its first tests under new republican speaker mike johnson. house minority leader hakeem jeffries joins me in a moment. as congress works through big questions on israel, ukraine, and gun control, after this week's horrific mass shooting in maine, and later, donald trump took the stand for the first time in his new york fraud trial this week and then he proceeded to storm right out after his former attorney
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michael cohen described him as a mob boss and a judge hit him with a second gag order for the same trial. michael cohen joined us tonight. as trump and his older kids prepared to take the stand over the next nine days. and we've got news in the 2024 presidential race. mike pence suspending his presidential campaign, just a couple of hours ago. my political panel is standing by with analysis from both sides. got a big politicsnation show tonight. let's go. before we talk with minority leader hakeem jeffries, let's get a quick update from israel where nbc's ellison barber is standing by. ellison, it's midnight there. what is the latest update? >> we are on the israel gaza
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border. does it is just behind me. that is the north part of gaza. we have seen and heard throughout the night artillery, you are hearing some of it now in the distance. fire in the direction of gaza. we have seen rockets fired into gaza. numerous explosions in northern gaza, lighting up the skyline. we have also seen rockets fired from inside of gaza towards israeli cities in this area. israel's prime minister says they have entered a new phase of this war. that ground forces are inside of northern israel. they announced that initially the grant forces had gone into israel last night, at about 8:15 local time. they have not left since then. they've been in there for more than 24 hours now. hospitals, it is really forces were on the ground in gaza. military wing state, in a social media post just yesterday, they were engaging with israeli forces in at least
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two different cities in northern gaza. and they described those clashes as violent clashes. israel says they are targeting hamas militants, as well as infrastructure. and that includes targeting the tunnel system that is underground inside of gaza. that is also where israeli officials say they believe some of the people who have been abducted by hamas militants were taken and are being held. there are over 200 people still being held hostage by hamas. israel says, getting them back, returning them to their families, that is part of their mission in this war and this new phase. they say this new phase, ultimately, what they hope to do is dismantle hamas entirely and permanently. secure borders. and also bring those hostages home. there has been some disagreement amongst families of hostages. some who want to see an exchange. palestinian prisoners, over 4000 being held in israeli jails, released for the
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hostages, to be released by hamas. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu was asked about that. he did not go into details, only saying that getting the hostages back is not just a side note to this war. he says it is one of their key goals here. but as we hear the booms inside of gaza, such a difficult time getting information from inside gaza, because more than 40 hours now, all communications have been out. completely dark. the only sporadic messages that seem to be making their way out come from people with international phone numbers. that's described inside gaza, a horrific scene. every single block is impacted and people, palestinians, carrying the dead and injured in trolleys and talk to. reverend al? >> thank you. and the seas ellison barber in israel. joining me now, here on set is house minority leader hakeem jeffries. democrat of new york. minority leader jeffries, we appreciate you joining us
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tonight. this week after three weeks of infighting, the house republican caucus elected a new speaker. far-right louisiana congressman mike johnson. a devoted defender of donald trump. a 2020 election denier, whose views are anti lgbtq, anti abortion, anti-muslim, opposed to separation of church and state, and haven't only been in the house since 2016, he's the least experienced speaker and 140 years. what does his ascent say about the house gop right now? ay about th>> good evening ralph, great o be with you. i think from the very beginning of this congress, the extreme maga republican ideology has been on full display. now that might accelerate. it remains to be seen what the tenure of speaker mike johnson maybe, on the democratic side we continue to make clear as we have from the very beginning of
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the year, we will seek to find bipartisan common ground whenever and wherever possible with our republican colleagues for the good of the american people. however, we will continue to push back against maga extremism whenever necessary. >> the new speaker. you met with him and president biden on thursday to discuss the new administration's funding request which bundles 14 billion dollars in aid in israel and 60 billion dollars to ukraine. ukraine aid. which johnson has opposed in the past. joining 93 republicans and voting for an amendment to last month's defense spending bill, to cut that aid off. as speaker johnson has axed the administration, quote, bifurcate all of the request in line with the number of
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republicans colin four separate votes on aid to israel and ukraine. but he's also reiterated that russia's invasion must be stopped. what's your sense about how this will go? >> in my view, the package that was sent by president biden was released to providing support for israel, providing support for ukraine and its effort against russian aggression, providing support for humanitarian assistance, for palestinians who may be in harm's way -- palestinians in gaza. as well as meeting some of the needs of trying to strengthen some of the situation at the border and standing with our allies in the pacific, but throughout the three world. these things would all move for together. because they all relate to our values and to america's national security interests. and it is necessary, as speaker
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johnson has indicated, that we stop flood him or putin and his brutality in his tracks in ukraine. it's the right thing to do for the free world. it's the right thing to do for our allies in europe. it's the right thing to do for the principles of democracy, freedom, and truth. >> and the right thing to do in israel and palestine. we are you have individuals on both sides who have nothing to do with the politics, that are now being killed. and slaughtered. and displaced. but let me ask you about this. this week smashing in lewiston, who maine. that killed 18 people, the so horrific killing. it compelled your colleague, maine congressman jared goldman, to reverse his opposition to assault weapons. you contrast it with the newspaper's response, from his interview thursday night with fox news, to my audience who missed a, take a listen.
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>> at the end of the day, the problem is the human heart. it's not guns, it's not weapons. at the end of the day, we have to protect the right of the citizens to protect themselves. it's the second amendment. our party is strongly for that. this is not the time to be talking about legislation. we are in the middle of that right now. >> how do you hope to make any progress on the issue of gun violence holding that position? >> congressman golden, first and foremost, is a good man. he's a patriot. he's a veteran. he's served his country ably in uniform. and he's now serving the people of maine. i think we need to come together and look at common sense gun safety measures. that are designed to address what has become the uniquely american challenge in terms of the gun violence epidemic. and the carnage that continues to be inflicted on the american
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people. 18 innocent souls lost their lives in maine. they were gunned down by a weapon of war. weapons that were not used to hunt deer, is that we're used to hunt human beings. that's a big challenge we've got to confront. >> switching gears, congressman. you have to developments this week involvement electoral maps. both of implications for 2024. in georgia, a u.s. federal judge ordered that the states republican joined congressional and state billet of maps must be redrawn and the next five weeks. colin the maps diluted georgia's black vote in violation of the voting rights act. in north carolina, we were the north carolina republican super majority passed a congressional map that will likely flip at least three states for the gop, ten out of 14 of the states new districts now favoring republicans. that map takes effect
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immediately. with 2024 just weeks away, what are your thoughts? >> house democrats will continue to make our case to the voters back on our track record of success. president biden's a tremendous job and leading. we have gotten big things done for the american people in terms of creating jobs back home in the united states of america. clint warner in every community. dropping the price of -- these are incredible and compliments that relate to us building an economy that works for everyday americans. that's verification for the future. people over politics. on the other side of the aisle, what we see as republicans are leaning into voter suppression and intense partisan gerrymandering as an electoral strategy. that's been the reality of this version of the republican party. we saw intense gerrymandering in the last election cycle, in florida, and alabama, in
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louisiana, in georgia, as has now been confirmed by a federal court, now in north carolina. it's an electoral strategy for extreme maga republicans. we are going to fight them in court, former attorney general -- doing a tremendous job. as well as other lawyers dealing with this in state after state after state. and we're going to continue into our ideas. at the end of the day, we will have a theory map, a match we can't win, on and will take our case to the american people. >> one more question about 2024. former vice president pence announcing today he is dropping out of the race and with the new speaker mike johnson in mind, because he was a leading figure and house republican efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. now he's in a position as speaker where he could theory conceivably play a leadership role in deciding that next one. i mean january 6th was about stopping certification.
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if you have a speaker, you have a close vote, he may not want to convene the house to certify the election. how do you deal with that? what are your thoughts? some say he's with jim jordan with a check it on. how do you deal with? that >> this is why we have got one electoral mission. democrats need to win back that maturity in november 2024 so it's a democratic majority that is prepared to certify the election on january 6th of 2025. but everything is on the ballot. democracy will be on the ballot. evidenced by the position many of the election deniers who -- reproductive freedom being on the pilot. we believe in a woman's freedom to make her own reproductive health care decision. they want to criminalize abortion care and propose that nation what ban. social security and medicare are on the ballot. we believe these things are an
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important part of the american dream. the other side wants to and social security and medicare as we know it. stakes are high, we've got to lean, and show up, speak, up stand up. and we've got to prevail. >> do you think you can have some conversations with this new speaker johnson and make some headway? i've known you 15, 20 years. you've always been one to try to balance things. do you think you can find some balance with johnson? >> we have a responsibility to sit down and find common ground where possible. but hold the line on our values. we'll continue to do that. we are going to strongly disagree and a lot of areas. we can agree to disagree without being disagreeable. >> house minority leader hakeem jeffries, thank you for being with us in studio tonight. after the break, former trump attorney michael cohen faces former president trump in a manhattan courtroom for the first time in five years they saw each other. after the break, he joins us to discuss his testimony and his
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politicsnation. sparks were flying in a manhattan courthouse this week as former president donald trump came face to face with his former fixer, they call him. michael cohen for the first time in five years. cohen took the stand as a witness in trump's 250 million-dollar fraud trial and it was no shortage of drama to the proceedings. fresh off his testimony michael cohen, author of revenge, how donald trump weaponized that u.s. department of justice against his critics. that's the name of the book. he joins us now. michael, i must start with this. take a listen to what trump said about your testimony after he abruptly exit to the
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courtroom on wednesday. >> that witnessed just admitted that we won the trial, and the judge should into immediately. thank you. >> what's your response? >> i don't know where that even came from, to be honest. donald trump lives in a reality that only exists from his left ear to his right ear. nobody else saw or heard any testimony from me that exonerates him, that he won the trial. in fact, his lawyers made a motion for a directed verdict that judge and go around stated. and i've never heard a judge had this before. absolutely denied. not once but twice. so where he comes up with this nonsense that we won, i said he won, i have no idea what this guy talks about. it's this reality and then there is donald.
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>> trump's outburst came just hours after he was slapped with the 10,000 dollar fine for violating his gag order with these comments. take a listen. >> this judge is a very partisan judge with a history -- person partisan sitting alongside him. perhaps even much more partisan than he. is >> the judge forced trump to take the stand, explain his comments. he testified under oath. he was talking about you. the judge said that claim was not credible. what's your reaction? what happened? could he have been talking about? you >> know, and he knew -- the judge obviously knew. let me be clear about this. this was the most-limited gag order that i've ever seen. it was so-limited it was almost impossible to actually violate it. if you're anyone other than donald trump. the judge engoron stated, say anything you want about me,
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just untold about my staff, doing took about might look clerk. and he can't help himself. >> the law clerk is the one who sits next to the judge. >> of course. he's like a petulant child. you tell the child, you can go to the candy store that has 10,000 items. you have a peanut allergy. so you can't eat and in peanuts. that's all the kid wants. and he's going to fight you, tooth and nail, until he gets what he wants. he doesn't care about what the judge says. $10,000? he doesn't care. the only thing that's going to stop him is if they actually say to him, you know what, next time you're going to stay downstairs in the cell for the entire night. don't do it again. because what the judge said to him, you are not only creating a hassle but what you're doing is dangerous to my staff. and i won't allow it. >> michael, trump's been showing up at a lot of the court proceedings. what do you think that's about? is he in trying to intimidate
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witnesses and others in court? i can't even count the number of the rubble a text he continues to make against you. what's that all about? >> it's definitely witness intimidation. when he had heard i was coming in the week before, which i was unfortunately not able to sit, because of a medical condition, was pushed off for one week. he then coat knots not show up because that would show the and the reason he was coming was for me. then he comes to the two days i was on, at the stand. and so, will he come when his children, which is supposedly next week? i don't know. >> having just witnessed trump's courtroom behavior firsthand, what are your thoughts about his state of mind right now? you know him as well as anybody. after all, this is a guy who is running for president and the first caucus is less than 12
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weeks away. what is his state of mind? you look at him, you said you look at him in the eye. what is going through his mind right now? what is he doing that shows certain things we in the public can see, whether or not his unhinged, under stress, or he's really a strong and's fighting as he tries to appear? >> he looks, when i sit across from him, to me, he looks defeated. he looks like something i had never seen before. at least during the time period i was with him. he absolutely looks like he has been defeated. he has lost. and that he doesn't know which way is north and which way is south. as far as unhinged, that guys lost it. i don't know whether -- i don't want to be a doctor here. but there was something cognitively wrong with him. i don't know, also, what his lawyers had shared with him, in terms of a strategy. the strategy was, let's just
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dominic right michael cohen for eight hours, for as many days as we can have him on the stand. let's just continue to call him a perjurer, a liar, a convict, a felon, whatever. and by doing, that they actually thought they would go and be able to get this directed verdict. when they didn't get, it he slams his hands on the table, he jumps up, the secret service jumps up after him. he makes a whole march to go outside. this is not clearly presidential. could you imagine, this is only a new york attorney general civil matter. could you imagine if, hypothetically, right now he had to deal with foreign nation, with all this going on in the country right now, in the world? could you imagine? this is the guy who's going to represent us? >> his children are supposed to testify this week. he's on the schedule. -- do you think he's going to testify? >> there is no way he's taking the stand. let me be very clear about
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this. he took the stand, the judge engoron had had enough for under three minutes. and he lied to the judge. he wasn't talking about may, he was talking about the charges look. lurk the judge himself turned around, after he met the statements under oath, and turned around and said, i don't find your statements to be credible. meaning, you're a liar. so for how many hours their attack me as being a liar? their client is the liar. and in fact, but lawyers chris ties, chris robert, and alina hub, they're all swearing for him. it's all about michael cohen, all about michael cohen. no it wasn't, it was about the judges look lurk. the judge sole right through that law and he called him out on. it >> michael cohen, author and i'm very glad you came in. thank you. michael cohen with us tonight. in maine tonight, a vigil to
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honor those killed in americas latest mass shooting is set to start and just about half an hour. at the same time as calls for an assault weapons ban are coming out of washington. but how likely are way to see a bipartisan effort on the issue of gun control? that is next on politicsnation. n politicsnation sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. with caplyta, there's a chance to let in the lyte™. caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression.
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louis. reverend sharpton will be back and a moment. first some stories we're watching this. every first off, as reform is ripe intermittent of new yahoo saying in a press conference today the next phase of the world will focus on a current operation expanding into gaza. he also said, the fight will be long and difficult and, quote, this is the war of humanity in its entirety. the human fight against barbara. some authorities released the details today about the no left behind left shot and killed 18 people and lewiston, maine. wednesday. shooter was found dead, friday nights in a self-inflicted gunshot wounds. public safety commissioner did
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not reveal the contents verbatim, they did shear there was information about his phone peskova and bank accounts. and the uaw reached a tentative agreement -- new contract with the lenses. three days after the reach one with forward. the two deals contained similar terms, such as wage increases and more. let's get back to rev and politicsnation. right? >> thank, you richard. let's bring in my political panel. republican strategist and msnbc political panelist danielle moodie, host of wokeaf daily podcast and co-host of the new abnormal podcast. thank you both for joining me. let's start with some breaking news. your quick reactions to former vice president pence announcing today that he is suspending his presidential race? rick forest, then you, danielle. >> thanks for having me on.
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mike pence really had no -- people who supported donald trump were angry with him. people who don't like donald trump or angry with him because he was donald trump's vice president. he also represents a republican party that turned into a decisively different direction. mike pence is a conservative. he represents that right wing of the party. and he's been thoroughly rejected by republican party, frankly, fraught the populist and donald trump. and often think that bodes well for the party's future. >> danielle? >> i mean, in all honesty rife, i forgot he was in the race. the reality is mike pence didn't have a constituency. he did not have a base. because that very base wanted to kill him. they wanted to hang him. at the capitol. that's what they were chanting on january 6th. i was confused about who he thought he was going to be winning over with his stance on the constitution, with the
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republican party that has decided that don't believe in it. >> rick, this week president biden once again urge republicans and congress to work with democrats to ban assault weapons. in an effort to keep americans safe. this comes after the deadly mass shooting in lewiston, maine. that killed 18 innocent people and wounded 13 on wednesday. the oldest person killed was a 76 year old man and the youngest, a 14 year old boy, bowling with his father. on thursday, democratic representative jared golden of maine reversed his previous stance and now supports a ban on assault style rifles. following shootings this week in his home state. how likely will we see some movement on the republican side to get gun reform passed? would it even be brought to the floor for voting in your opinion? >> i doubt it. i don't think it will. frankly, i don't think that
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bans they have and mine would have done anything to change anything or will in the future. we can do certain things. we have talked about this many times, to keep people mentally ill from acquiring any kind of weapon at all. they should not have weapons. there are a lot of other things we could do. right flick laws. i support registration. but i've known for many complicated reasons, too long to explain, here what you would ban certain weapons. because it's very complicated. >> danielle, the new speaker of the house, mike johnston, it's a starch conservative who played a pivotal role in congressional efforts to overturn the 2020 election. he also opposes abortion rights, and gay marriage. democrats see johnson as a right target for their messaging to retake the house in 2024. how can democrats use his speakership as a way to derive voters to the polls? >> the democrats need to make
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this not just about mike johnson, just like that need to make 2024 not just about donald trump. this is about a republican ideology that is not about american values or democracy. and so, when you decide to elect somebody that is against the very progress we have been fighting for four decades, that is emblematic of where the republican party. is that it won voters to vote. they don't want us to have a voice in our democracy. so you elect somebody to be too hard bates away from the presidency who believed in turning -- overturning the election? that's insane. right? and so i think that instead of just tying this to a person, we need to tie it to a party, to a movement that is about authoritarianism and fascism. and against democracy and the people. >> rick, in less than three weeks congress must fund the government ain or risk a federal shutdown. speaker mike johnson has pitched house republicans on a short term funding ll.
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even the ultra conservative lawmakers who firmly oppose the stopgap bill said they were willing to give him the space to pursue his plan. also, aid packages to ukraine and israel are on the table. johnson who opposed continue to funding for ukraine is now insisting a sip a rating the aid package from any assistance for israel. leaving its fate uncertain. how confident are you with a short term funding bill will be rigged before the deadline? what's the likelihood of another ukraine aid package passing if it is separated from israel? i t is separated fro>> first, thoe problem in the first place created the situation, so it shouldn't be surprising they get into the race on a short term see our, continuing resolution. which nobody likes. we shouldn't have them, the reality is, when you don't have
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the votes, you have them. in some ways, i think israel and ukraine should be tied together. because they're morally equivalent. these are two democracies that are being attacked. one is being invaded, the other was attacked by terrorists. they each have the right to defend itself, as a sovereign nation. but by separating them, will actually find out who republicans are. because that's what the. are anybody who votes against ukraine funding and is willing to defend itself from putin aggression, and taking sovereign territory, is a putin backer. and i'd like to see that vote. >> rick tyler and danielle moodie, thank you both for being with us. for three weeks since hamas attacked israel, hundreds of families are still waiting to hear from family members who were kidnapped by hamas and are being held hostage in gaza. one of them will join us next.
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i want to continue and focus now on the hostage situation in gaza. the israeli army says at least 230 hostages are being held captive by hamas. the u.s. state department says ten americans feel unaccounted for. over 20 of the hostages are children. as many as 20 of them are over
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the age of 60. the majority of the hostages are believed to still be alive. joining me now is udi goren, his cousin is one of those hostages held by hamas in gaza for the past three weeks. the udi, thank you for coming on. your cousin tab was kidnapped during that terrible day of the attack by hamas. what is the latest you have about his whereabouts? >> first of all, reverend sharpton, thank you for giving me a stage to speak on this and thank you for keeping this topic alive because we all think this should be the top priority for israel, and for its allies to consider. sadly, i really have nothing new to tell you that has changed in the past three weeks. there hasn't been a visit of the red cross, we don't know
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where he is, we don't know how he is, we don't know his condition. we really know nothing new about him. >>, i was moved by talking last week with some of the relatives of one of the hostages. and said that their relative was not political, they were in none of the sides. i was outraged at what happened in israel, i'm outraged on civilians in gaza, i think it's a moral question. and i'm outraged at people who are civilian and indecent are being hostage. you can't have morality for one side and not for the other. tell us, briefly, a bit about him, your cousin. i know the two of you were born three months apart. what is he like? and how close are the two of you? and what type of person was he? >> well, i hope, first of all, i hope you we can still speak about them in the present
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tense. he is a very, i would say kind of a shy person. he's a civil engineer. he was born and raised in the coutts from which she was kidnapped. he works outside of the kibbutz right now, but he went through the regular life routine of an israeli person. serving in -- going to high school, serving in the military, went to university. he works outside of his kibbutz. you can see his family right now. he's a great family man. all of my mother's family lived in that kibbutz. he is one of them. they are this tightly knit clan. he is an excellent grandson. and son. you know, he makes sure to visit his grandparents as often as possible.
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he's just an ordinary guy. that's really all i can say. he's a standup guy. he's not political. if anything, my entire family are more left leaning. we are pro resolution. we have no beef with gaza. they've never said any comments against gazan civilians. even though they are constantly attacked by gazan missiles, launched by hamas. they are the first to line. you know, it became their routine. and yet, they have no grudges against the people of gaza. i think that's the tragedy of the sides. you said it exactly right. . it that's a billions are playing the price of bad decisions that our governments are making. >> just a few hours ago, talking about governments and the israeli prime minister
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netanyahu met with representatives of the kidnapped families and promised them to exercise and exhaust every possibility to bring them home. how much trust do you put in the prime minister's commitment? >> netanyahu is probably the most professional politician in israel, by far. right now, he's the guy in charge. i have to put my trust in him. there's really no other alternative at the moment. i want to see actions. because so far, we have heard the government speak about taking care of the hostages, that it is top priority. and we've heard president biden use very firm about this. and prime minister sunak be very firm about this. but so far, at least on the surface, we haven't seen any progress. we haven't seen the red cross visiting them. we haven't seen any news about
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their whereabouts, and not only that, last night was the hardest attack on gaza so far. with the stated goal of starting to destroy the tunnels, they are using bunker penetrating bombs. this is exactly a part of the mission to destroy the hamas infrastructure, which is great. but as long as the hostages are being held there, how do they know that none of these tunnels is where the hostages are? tunnel because the hostages that have been released explicitly said we were held in tunnels. so how did they know that last night's strike didn't kill one of the hostages? >> now, what should the world know? i think you said a lot, and what is your appeal, because as you said, we don't know whether these airstrikes are harming hostages or worsening the situation. at some point, somebody has to,
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both the civilians in gaza, and the civilians in israel, that were killed, and the hostages as their priority, before we deal with hard lines on either side. what, udi, are you saying to the world, about your cousin, and those that are being held with him? >> reverend, you've made an excellent moral point. there is no difference between a blood of the palestinian, and blood of an israeli. this is why the call should be the same. it doesn't matter if your position that you are pro palestinian, if your position is that you are pro israeli. your interests must be the same. stop the war. stop the killing. save peoples lives. because human lives matter. gaza in life is no better than mine, and my life is no better than there's. as there are 200 hostages that we can still save, 200
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tragedies that can be spared from these families, we have to do everything in our power to do so. if we can stop the bombing, and get humanitarian aid, and stop this crisis, and stop gazan civilians from dying, then go rationally into the situation, the call must be equal. stop the war, stop the killing, save human lives. >> thank you so much for being with, us udi goren, and we all pray for the safe return of your cousin, and the other hostages and the civilians on all sides. >> thank you. >> up next, i'll tell you why i'm traveling to florida tonight in my final thoughts. ts
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