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fani willis knows what she is doing, that is clearly within a matter of days, after the fulton county district agreed to cooperate with prosecutors. they secured plead deals from sydney powell, kenneth chesebro, and just this week, jenna ellis. they are all former attorneys for donald trump. in august, ellis didn't appear to show any regret for her behavior. smiling from ear to ear as she posed for her mugshot. but she is singing a very different tune. >> i think my responsibilities as a lawyer very seriously and i am a person of sound moral individual -- and all of my dealings. in the wake of the 2020 presidential election, i believe that challenging the results on behalf of president trump should be pursued in a just way.

if i knew what i know now, i would've declined to represent donald trump in these postelection challenges. i look back on this whole experience with deep remorse. >> wow. as part of their deals, powell, chesbrough, and a list of all promise not to testify in future trials against their codefendants and that means trouble for, yes, donald trump, the alleged ringmaster of this entire election scheme circus. to witnesses who actually plotted and carried out key aspects of the ex presidents legal strategies -- -- in his desperate attempts to cling on to power. from another defendant last month, this guy, and a number of cooperators might continue to rise, the district attorney, fani willis, talked now with six more codefendants about possible plea deals. they include former coffee county elections supervisor, and former trump campaign

official mike roman, and robert shealy. well it's had her fair share of skeptics when they brought the racketeering case against the wall you've got to say over the last few days, the racketeering statute in the skillful handling it has been nothing but remarkable. certainly unmistakable, and with trump and 14 of his codefendants left it seems the question is no longer a matter of if someone else will flip, but who. and how soon? here to discuss it and more, david henderson, civil rights attorney, former prosecutor nbc contributor, and host of the fast politics podcast on a special correspondent for vanity fair. good to have both of you with us. david i will start with you, let's get into the three plea deals. quite significant, what does the cooperation of these codefendants mean for the rest of them. most notably the man himself, donald trump. >> it means that if you are

watching the godfather this is kind of like flipping tom. arguably, he knows everything, he flipped them, he has somebody who was actually in the room when it happened, and there is something you have to keep in mind here also. the flip side of this, two of the people who pled, they weren't smart enough to follow a speedy trial motion. the prosecution is also under pressure to resolve something with them or have to try this case twice, which they literally cannot do. and i say that because neither one of them is an ace when it comes to witnesses at trial. they are far more a joker just because the first thing that they've got to do is get on the stand and admit how much they've lied. or they get ripped apart on cross examination. for someone like me, i will find myself thinking about why should i believe these people. and the real threat is someone who is going to lean towards president trump, and why should i prosecute the former president --

ellis let means the pressure is mounting to me, she probably asked someone like me, what we should do. and they say we should do the same thing. >> you bring up an interesting point. these are lawyers. what does that say? if you are lawyers, and you are flipping against you, the fact that they were so central in your plot to overturn the election says a lot but what does it say about the credibility of who they are? >> i also think that we have seen other trump lawyers -- [inaudible] michael [inaudible] has had a lot of legal consequences and actually went to jail and is now testifying. so i do think that these lawyers see this, also remember in georgia, you take a plea, you don't necessarily have to serve jail time for this charge. so i do think that there really is a lot of upside here. but, you know, the fact that

ellis is doing, it and the fact that this is the closest trump has ever come to accountability, and it is happening, and i think that even if he is able to kick the can, and appeal, like he sees the writing on the wall and he sees what is coming. >> what does this mean, david, for jack smith? obviously, these individuals are not indicted in the jack smith charges against donald trump. perhaps, you know, broadly speaking, it is about the same attempt to overturn the election. but the laws that are being broken in what jack smith is alleging, perhaps are different than what fani willis's alleging. but how does the development in the georgia racketeering case, the r. i. c. o. case here, and those defendants flipping impact what jack smith does, if at all? >> it provides them the biggest possible incentive to cooperate as much as possible. because, these first couple of deals are sweetheart deals. i would say that powell's deal is almost too good to believe,

and therefore, when they are going to hope is that fani willis, at some point, talked to jack smith and said that they cooperated so much, they should just let him off of the hook and not prosecute him in the federal system as well. to the extent that they can and the will try to cooperate as much as possible to prevent that from happening. >> from her contribution, there are others out there who are doubling down on donald trump, whether it be mike jackson, speaker of the house, dozens of more people out there in the political landscape, do you buy her apology? does her apology have any impact on these other people like the kari lake and others who believe in donald trump? >> this is this incredible where you have these republican candidates like mike johnson thing, mike johnson who is now the person who tried to overturn the 2020 election --

where he got 100 plus members of congress to sign on so, yeah, do you see the politicians, the republican politicians are still shopping in the big lie. but then you have people with real legal consequences come, the people who are really worried, they realize that there are actual consequences. those are the people who do make deals. so again, i don't know what permeates the facts -- >> i think we will try to fix your audio for a second but let me go back just to august. we have a lot of legal experts and finance criticizing him. i remember for pursuing such a sprawling case and having so many defendants that perhaps it was a bit overreach, if you will. based on the momentum that we've seen, over the last few weeks, do you think that folks underestimate her, or do you

think this is as good as it ultimately could get for her? >> people underestimated her. if you look at her history she knows her r. i. c. o. works, trying a r. i. c. o. case is a lot like making lemonade. it starts off with a lot of squeezing, and what we've seen with those few plea deals is not the people who first abandoned the sinking ship were the rats who knew best what was at risk. because what these lawyers know, and what has not yet become clear apparently to the other people who have entered plea deals is look, you are looking at a minimum of hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal fees, associated with a trial that would last anywhere from five months, that is what she's predicting, to upwards of a year. which is probably more reasonable. plus, you have to be able to sit outside of work and show up for court every day for half of a year to a year which most people just can't afford to do. and if you get convicted, which is likely to be in the r. i. c. o. case, you will serve five years. that is why if you ask me, do i

believe alice is remorseful 100%. because she found the terms with all of this. and everybody else will, as time continues to progress, the closer we get to trial. >> all right. we have a lot more to discuss. please don't go anywhere. we will touch back, touch base with you in just a few minutes. but now we want to go to some news that just broke moments ago. nbc news has now confirmed that friends star, matthew perry, was found dead today of an apparent drowning of his pacific palisades home. according to representatives for the actor, and law enforcement source. at this point, the exact cause of death has not been determined. the death was treated as a water rescue according to a law enforcement source. the same source said that there was no apparent foul play. of course, perry spent ten years playing chandler being on the hit nbc sitcom, friends, landing an emmy nomination for that role in 2002. and he had a career on the big screen as well as starring in movies like fools rush in, the whole nine yards, and 17 again.

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>> donald trump's own daughter now has been ordered to testify in his civil fraud trial at one point, ivanka trump was codefendant in the new york attorney generals lawsuit until an appeals court found the claims against her were outside of the statute of limitations. the a. g.'s office argued that ivanka should be at least it will to still testify because, she quote, remains financially and professionally intertwined with the trump organization. she has personal knowledge of the facts relevant to the claims against the remaining defendants. judge arthur engoron agreed. she's currently scheduled to testify this coming friday, that is november 3rd.

it follows blistering testimony from trump's former personal attorney and fixture, michael cohen, who said just this week that trump directed him and former trump organization cfo, allen weisselberg, to inflate statement saying quote, i'm actually not worth 4. 5 billion dollars. i'm really worth more like six billion dollars. here is cohen after the testimony. >> he will ultimately be held accountable and as i said the other day, that is what this is all about. it is accountability. david henderson emily john fast >> david, i'll start with you. he was not just a low level employee, she was the vice president of the company until she left to work in the white house. how significant is her testimony? >> aymen, it is about a significant as it gets, and to the extent that there's any question you can look at how much they are fighting her getting on the stand. we just have to be reminded we are in civil court, non

criminal court, you can call folks to the stand, and so i think that she will make for a very compelling witness. i don't know how much more you need after that testimony this week but i think it is a huge deal that she will be testifying against her dad in this case. >> here's the predicament for donald trump, molly. he loves, this is his known strategy, he loves to downplay his relationship with his former colleagues to testify against him whether it is michael cohen or jenna ellis who will say i don't know her. she didn't work on my campaign. she will not be able to do that with his own daughter, will he? >> i mean, it seems inconceivable to me. this is ivanka this is one kid that will always have been -- so it seems very strange to me to be down with us at all. and i don't think that he will. but i think that certainly, he's tried really hard not to make her face accountability in any way. and this is a big case for him, and he's worried about it, you

can tell this because he's come to the court a bunch of days. this is the family business, this guy it is his family business. it is the money that he gives his children and this might all go away. >> let me ask you about michael he laid out some damning information against trump cohen, it is something that we've all become familiar with michael cohen over the years that he's been saying that he has a lot to say about it. saying that he ordered him, trump that is, to inflate his financial records. what do you make of this revelation from cohen? >> i think that we knew that that was how big that's nice was done there, and you know, they made a really strong case about it. michael backed it up. i mean, look, michael cohen is not a perfect witness. because he did go to jail. but he was trump's fixer. he was trump's lawyer. and you have enough people around trump telling and

flipping their stories, eventually it's going to get to trump. and with ivanka to there is always just danger that she's going to say something that is going to be contradicted by another witness. there really are a lot of problems and i think that there is a lot of anxiety for trump. >> trump was furious according to those in the courtroom, what do you think in reports that he stormed out of the courtroom afterwards? >> this just reminded me how epically they failed whenever they actually stepped inside of a courtroom because if you are his lawyer you have got to say look, you've got to cut all of that out. i will keep with my mob movie references. this is more like a scene from the untouchables. but it gets the bookkeeper at the train station and you are putting him on the stand.

so cohen does have some on him, but this is one of the things that we get down here. we get a lot of things wrong. trial law is an art and not a scientist. the way that cohen comes across, he comes across as more credible than someone like sidney powell is going to. and we do things like storm out of the courtroom and you get enraged, and you just reinforce what is true and it is bad for you. the judges are deciding and not the jury. i don't know how you come back from that. your reaction to that? what do you make of it? >> i think trump has told us in 1 million different ways, i think that we are seeing that right now. you know this is a person who is very distracted by these legal cases. and this is just one of his many legal cases. and this is just a civil trial. so i do think that he's distracted, i think he's worried and i think that he's enraged and i think that this is going to ultimately be one of the many things that will

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that one problem, the gop might actually cursed themselves with a much bigger one. how are moderate republicans going to survive in 2024 after unanimously voting for the social conservative too end all social conservatives to take the gavel. this week, punchbowl news reported the 18 gop members from district biden won in 2020 have already faced a slew of tough votes, and they are now ready to push back. they immediately attempted to tow that line saying that he did not see a vote for johnson as a speaker as a quote concession to the far-right. he wants to see johnson make a concerted effort to listen to members in purple districts. the congressman, garcia, may not see his vote for a trump acolyte and an election denier who supported biden's as propping up the far-right but here is who does. democrats. and they are already working overtime to draw a direct link between the purple seat moderates, between the speaker of the house and mike johnson. it's -- about the other party.

a base motivating money raising boogie man who embodies everything that they dislike most about the other party joining me now is democratic congressman, robert garcia. congressman, great to have you with us. welcome back to the show. what do you make of this last point that i was just raising that republicans are they now saddled with this are they now settled with the ultraconservative bogeyman? >> yes. maga mike is by far the most conservative speaker that we've had in decades here in this country. so he's someone, of course, who supports a national abortion ban. he believes and lgbtq+ folks, they shouldn't have rights and privileges or be married. he has a very extreme world view of how religion plays a role in our country. so i think that that he has taken extreme positions,

especially extreme social positions in this country, and we will work really hard every single day to win the majority back. it is also really interesting that all of these moderate democrats, quote unquote moderates, who claimed to be independent or work across the aisle all support him. they supported someone who believes that there should be no exceptions around abortion. they supported someone that has wildly controversial views about lgbtq plus people. our history shouldn't even be taught in schools, and this is the author of a national don't say gay bill, modeled after what happened in florida. we are going to push back and fight him every single day and it is a shame that so many moderate republican support him as speaker. >> the point also, correct me if i am wrong, it is not just about his worldview in the social issues that are going to be problematic in elections for moderate republicans, but there is actual serious issues here with what the maga extreme wing of the party does within committees like the oversight committee where mike johnson

has a very close relationship with the chair of that committee, james comer, he is a trusted member of trump summer circle and supports impeaching joe biden. i doubt that maga mike, as you call him, is going to take his foot off the gas when it comes to slowing down this kind of reckless impeachment process that is taking place by people like james cohen. >> i think that is right. obviously, the new speaker, maga mike, he is someone who's one of donald trump's main lieutenants. donald trump and him are very close. they are cut from the same cloth. he clearly is an election denier. he did not believe joe biden won the last election, which is literally a crazy position to take. he is someone who continues support, all of donald trump's wild conspiracy theories, he's very close with james comer, i'm also on the oversight committee, yet to be seen what he does around trying to impeach president biden for doing, of course, absolutely nothing. i think that is all what you've got to see in this very moment, when we had this horrific

tragedy around gun violence in maine, we just saw our new speaker blaming the human heart for gun tragedies in this country. so it is really something to be ashamed of and we are going to push back on his lies and his extreme agenda as much as we can every day in congress. >> let me share with you something that the washington post is reporting that since launching his first house campaign back in 2016, for his races and his leadership pack brought in less than 50 -- $450,000 in the past seven years his predecessor, kevin mccarthy, raised 15 point $3 million from july through september of this year in all of the various committees for which he raised funds. one of the responsibilities for the top speaker is to fund-raise for his or her party. >> that's right. look, he's going to have a hard time, especially with some of those california networks that kevin mccarthy built here in our home state.

i think you are going to have the california republicans, many of whom are claiming to be moderates, they are going to be in tough shape over the next few months. leading up to the election. i don't think that the new speaker is going to be able to meet what kevin mccarthy was able to do. and part of it is that this is someone who has not built his experience and his career trajectory through business or through the chamber of commerce network, or through the network of donors in california. this is someone who's a social conservative who's an extremist, and who does not have the same kind of network. we'll wait to see what he does. we are focused on our candidates. we are of course focused on protecting our freshman and our frontliners and i am feeling very, very bullish that we will be able to pull this off and win the majority back in 24. >> let me get your thoughts on what is happening overseas in foreign policy. as you saw this week, the united states was an outlier at the united nations general assembly. one of only 14 countries to vote against calls for a cease-fire.

you have those protests that are taking place now around the world demanding a cease-fire. some members of your party growing louder in their calls for a cease-fire, i am just getting your thoughts on where you come down on this. where do you see, as the united states and others are reporting the suggesting that the biden administration privately is pressuring the israeli government a perhaps rethink a gaza ground invasion to give time for the release of israeli hostages. where do you stand on this on all of this? >> i think two things are very important here. first, obviously, we all recognize, everyone in this country, that israel was brutally attacked. hamas terrorist organization, 1400 israelis dead and of course israel has a right to defend its country and its people that we could all agree to that. i think that we all recognize that palestinian lives have equal value to israeli lives. the images are so hard to see what is happening the death and destruction of infrastructure

on having access, of course, now to power and water to critical supplies. there is a growing group of folks in congress that are calling for humanitarian pause, and a minimum to be able to access what is actually happening on the ground. i joined, that i support a humanitarian pause at this moment, i think the priorities at this moment have got to be rescuing hostages, by ensuring that israel continues to be protected. we know that rockets are still firing right now into parts of israel, but most importantly, it is that we don't have a loss of civilian life. and getting humanitarian aid with the united states as our allies, i could get humanitarian aid there, it should be at the center of what we do, and we should all be very concerned and the last thing i will say is that i think that president barack obama, president biden, they've been wise to remember the lessons learned after 9/11. and at this moment we have to take those lessons and do better than we did then. and we have responsibilities to

ensure that there is not a loss to civilian so that is where i'm at right now. we have to continue to monitor this. but i think that the situation is really hard, and i think we will be moving quickly. i support the president, and of course, the secretary of state working now in the humanitarian aid into gaza. >> all right. greatly appreciate your time as always, thank you for coming back on the show. >> thank you. >> after the break, how the israel-hamas war is impacting the most vulnerable among us. innocent children. if you want to lower stroke risk from afib not caused by a heart valve problem, there's a better treatment than warfarin. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk and has less major bleeding. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor

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suffered the most. and tonight, we want to reflect on how young people are forced to inflict emotional peril in conflict zones thanks to decisions made by adults. but a warning, the images that we are about to show are graphic, and they are distressing. i want to take you back to october 22nd, it look at the surveillance video capturing the massive airstrike on the building in southern gaza.

an area that israeli officials say would be safe from attacks. you can see a little boy in the left corner of your screen, seconds later there is a huge blast and we don't know if he survived. where residents say that no place is safe. after a blast rescue workers and volunteers are sifting through nothing but their bare hands. >> [speaking in a global language] >> this little girl was one of the lucky ones. others were not. and nbc news crew in gaza capture this recovery effort on camera. the bodies of the seven year old and nine year old were tucked on top of one another. sisters, their neighborhood in the southern city, flattened. gaza's population is overwhelmingly young, and its health ministry says that more than 3000 children have been

killed so far. 3000. it is a number so staggering that unicef says that it marks a growing stain on our collective conscience. parents have now begun writing names on their children's body is, so that they can be identified if they die. and his father marked his children with blue bracelets. >> [speaking in a global language] >> while palestinian children are bearing the brunt of this bombardment israeli hostages remain in gaza. 30 are believed to be children, according to the associated press, and their kidnapping and captivity are just one of the many alleged war crimes committed by hamas according to

human rights organizations. this israeli father has been waiting in agony for a word about his two kids, maya -- >> what i think we need to do? everything. everything they need to do to bring him home. release 4000, 5000 prisoners, i don't care. that's what i want. i want him here. if they need to release a prisoner, released a prisoner. >> these children are innocent victims in this war. i called that young palestinian girl who survived an israeli airstrike lucky, but like all survivors, she will now have to live with the horrors of this war for the rest of her life. as one doctor working in gaza told the guardian, children have already started developing serious trauma symptoms such as convulsions, that wedding, aggressive behavior, nervousness, and the inability to leave their parents sides. a told one could hardly called

looking. so as politics and loyalties take hold in the region and around the world, i hope that we can all agree on one thing. the death of one child is one too many. and no child deserves to suffer. i want to bring into the conversation the president and founder of the palestine children's relief fund. steve, it's good to talk to you again. thank you for making time. i know this is a very difficult situation. but i'm just trying to put this perspective for us, put this situation into perspective for us, sometimes it is difficult to process these kinds of numbers that we are talking about. 40% of more than the 7000 people killed in gaza are children. not to mention the children who are now orphans who will have to deal with this lifelong trauma. how do we even begin to comprehend this. how would an organization like yours even begin to help? >> it is very hard to comprehend. it is such an immense humanitarian tragedy such an immense tragedy in general. it is all man-made.

it is all something that could be avoided. it could be avoided tomorrow there was political will to stop. it but we will put into the context for americans who are watching -- gaza is 40% children. let's say that is 1 million children that are in the gaza strip. we have 72 million children in america. if the united states had suffered the same amount of casualties of children killed. let's say it is 3000 children in gaza that have been killed, that would equate to 216,000 american children being kiled by bombs being dropped on their homes, churches, malls, hospitals, imagine if the united states in the three week period, if we lost 216,000 killed and 366,000 children severely injured in that period of time, what kind of immense impact it would have on our society. the impact it is having on

palestinians societies, as you mentioned earlier, is not only the terrible casualties on the fact that 192 families in gaza have lost more than ten members and most of those are children. just the humanitarian impact that is going to have on the lives and the mental health of children there. as you mentioned earlier, it is going to be not only, we are already starting to see sometimes but the long term consequences of the entire population experiencing firsthand, and seeing firsthand violence suffering, death, experiencing the destruction of their homes, the killing of the relatives, of their neighbors, so on, everybody is experiencing it in gaza. all these children are experiencing it firsthand and the long term mental health scars it is going to leave on the entire population is going to be incredibly difficult to undo and to really adjust for a long time, healthy, civil society that we all want to see and palestine and in gaza, where they are able to function and have peace, it's going to be very difficult for anybody to see that happening under these conditions. but the type of scars that are being created today. >> we know, steve, that images of children in conflict and war

zones have massive impact on politicians and on the world. there is the famous photo of the girl in vietnam and the syrian refugee who washed up on a turkish beach, those photos undoubtedly influenced policies. are we seeing the same when it comes to gaza and the images of palestinians being killed. why are these images not impacting western politicians and the same way? >> certainly it is impacting western societies. we've seen marches in london and throughout the united states which have been larger than we've ever seen. calling for a cease-fire, calling for peace, that is not translated into any real policy changes on a political level. we heard yesterday that the biden administration has no red lines when it comes to the military actions that are taking place in the gaza strip. when you say no red lines to mean that there is no red lines that the israeli military can cross when it comes to killing unarmed civilians. that means that basically,

there's no moral regulation. no moral boundaries that our administration that the weapons that we send there -- there we have not seen any changes yet, we have seen definitely thousands and thousands of images of innocent children being killed, being buried under rubble, and having their homes destroyed. lying in hospitals, and there's been no change in american policy in that region. nothing has affected the morality or the ethics of our leaders to make any positive change and i will point out a couple of other facts here that's really important for us to remember here. the fuel is running out. all of the hospitals, that fuel is running out now. and what does that mean for babies that are in incubators? i will tell you, because we run a program, we were building up the nato carry in gaza and all the babies that is hundreds of babies in neo-units across the

gaza strip are going to die. when those incubators stopped functioning, because we generators do not have fuel any longer, those babies are going to die. including also in addition to those babies in the incubators, premature babies, are the hundreds of children with severe trauma injuries. the result of bombings, they are on ventilators who have artificial breathing machines keeping them alive. they are going to die, all of these kids, all of these innocent victims are going to be further statistics that seemingly are having no effect at all on the decision makers who could put a stop to this tomorrow. >> and you have to, you as you mentioned, wonder what all of the suffering, all this trauma will breed in the future generation of palestinians about the world that they live in, and the government, and a country that they will one day inherit. steve sosebee, it's always a pleasure, thank you so much for making time for us tonight and putting that into perspective in context. . -- i'll be joined by mike we will be discussing the new republican speakers, extreme maga credentials and the congressman's call for more

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