to stand up and speak out against this. they've been very candid so far. they've spoken out some but they support the policy behind what tuberville is doing. what he is doing is absolutely moronic. they all know that. it's foolhardy to suggest. people have got to step up. that is the main message. i know there have been a lot of discussions going on. it's really time now to step up and help find a solution to this problem so that the military can go forward. in the long run, this is going to hurt the united states military and it's going to hurt our readiness. it's going to hurt morale. >> that was former democratic senator jon jones of alabama. thank you so much for your time and joining me on velshi. that's going to do it for me? thank you for watching velshi on msnbc. catch us every weekend saturdays and sundays from 10 am to 12 noon. i want to give a special thanks to my friend and colleague ali velshi for allowing me to sit

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it's been three weeks since hamas terrorist unleashed their devastating in deadly attack on israel. three weeks since over 200 people were kidnapped. many of them women and children. three weeks of humanitarian crisis spiraling out of control for the people of gaza. and now the israeli defense forces confirmed that they had expanded their ground operation over the last couple of days. new video released by the idf shown here shows ground forces on the move inside of gaza. and over the past few hours, we have continued to hear explosions, and see smoke rising over the skyline. the israelis have specifically not called this the official ground invasion, but regardless of what they are naming it, nbc news reporters in the region say that this is the most sustained bombardment they have heard to date. the continuous airstrikes are not only destroying tunnels and, buildings but also the flow of information. service is now gradually being

restored after internet and cell phone service was knocked out across much of gaza yesterday. largely severing over 2 million people from communicating with the outside world. the world health organization just reconnected with its team in gaza after losing contacts yesterday. saying that the blackout made it impossible for ambulances to reach the entered. this is all just the beginning of what will likely be a prolonged and bloody military operation. as for the forces continue to push in with the broad goal of eliminating hamas, major questions remain. about what happens to the innocent hostages and civilians who are trapped inside of gaza, along with the people being held captive, scores of civilians are trying to get out, including hundreds of americans. many of them are still stuck along the rafah crossing border crossing, unable to leave. weeks after being told that it would be open. eight has trickled in, but food and water remain scarce. and the lack of fuel is making it increasingly difficult for hospitals to continue running, and for water filtration plants

to treat water making water harder to access. these photos show palestinians lined up, looking for clean water after a night full of airstrikes and an israeli incursion in the north. and today we saw another sign of the desperation gripping the people of gaza. thousands of people broke into the united nations warehouses, trying to get their hands on food and basic survival supplies. the u.n. secretary general said gaza is, quote, facing a total collapse with unimaginable consequences. and now, military action is intensifying on top of this growing humanitarian crisis, now that some version of the defensive has begun, with so little visibility on the ground in gaza, i am off wondering, and i'm sure i'm not the only one, what is the endgame here? just how devastating will all of this be? and what can be done to prevent this conflict from spiralling into a larger war in the middle east? joining me now is white house national security adviser, jake sullivan. jake, thank you so much for taking the time this afternoon.

i just wanted to start with reports overnight that there is an expansion of the ground operation. does the administration consider this at the start of the ground offensive? >> well, we are letting the israeli defense forces characterized their operations. and we are not going to do it for them, these are their decisions these are their operations. but it is certainly the case that we are seeing an expansion of the effort to get after hamas, the terrorists who attacked israel on october 7th, on the ground, as well as in the air. but, ultimately, while we consult on a daily, even hourly basis with the idf, they are the ones who are making the calls, and ultimately making the characterizations for the operation. >> i know you are very close touch with them. there are also reports that israel's phased approach to date aligned with suggestions from defense secretary lloyd austin. you and probably others, from what you've seen so far, and what you've heard from them. does this align with what u.s. officials have been suggesting?

ting >> you'll understand that i have to keep the advice and counsel that we are providing to the israelis private, because it can be more affective that way. but what i will say is that we had, overtime, asked the same hard questions of the israelis that we would ask of ourselves in an operation like this. what are the objectives? are the means maps to the objectives. how are you going about this? and critically, how to deal with the fact that hamas is holding civilians as human shields is hiding among the civilian population, which creates an added burden for israel, but does not lessen the need for israel to distinguish between terrorists on the one hand and innocent civilians who deserve protection on the other. so those are the kinds of questions that we were posing, the kinds of conversations we were having, and those don't stop simply because we've entered a different phase here. we will continue to ask those questions as we go forward. >> as you mentioned, hostages

are front and center. many foreign nationals, prime minister netanyahu told the families of israeli hostages that the more hamas is under pressure from this military campaign, better the chances to release the hostages, that seems to conflict with the private suggestion that they delay their operation to have more time. so degree with his assessment? >> here's what i believe, i believe there's still is an opportunity to get those hostages out, it is the highest priority to get americans home and you get all the hostages out. israeli foreign nationals and americans. we are part continuing to stay in close contact with israel and foreign partners as we continue to try to secure the release of those innocent people who are being purely and criminally held by hamas. we will not rest until that happens. we are gonna continue driving forward to in sure they're

secure and safe release. likely to americans, we are able to get out several days ago. >> conversation with the qatari another third-party countries that are continuing, even as this ground operation is stepping up? >> the conversations are continuing. and as i said, we are not going to let the conversations laps. because we are going to insist on continuing to use every avenue to try to secure the release of the hostages, even as military operations continue. >> there were reports over the weekend that internet and cell phone service was largely knocked out. it seems like some connectivity has been restored. what does the white house is villa busy into gaza say right now? i know so many people don't know what's going on. javon assessment of what looks like on the ground? civilian casualties? food? energy? other situations on the ground? >> when we draw from a variety of sources to gain a picture of what is happening on the ground, but it is not a complete picture. we, of course, don't ourselves have personnel there. and hamas has also blocking

access to many parts of gaza to anyone, including the red cross or journalists, or others. so there are limitations in our visibility. we do have some sense about the aid flows in, we do have some sense about the rough number of hostages being held, for example. but like i said. we don't have a perfect picture of what is happening in gaza. we do feel strongly that the restoration of that communications was a critical thing. because aid workers need to be able to communicate, civilians need to be able to communicate, and of course, journalists need to be able to document what is happening in gaza to report it to the wider world. so that was something that we cared about worked on, and we are glad to see that restoration. >> one of the areas where there is a very little visibility is this question of the hundreds of americans who can't leave gaza through the rafah border crossing. you've said before, previously to, me and others, that it was hamas that was at fault. but what are your options, at

this point, for getting those americans out through that border crossing? >> >> or another means? >> look, this is the situation where the egyptians have said that they are prepared to allow foreign nationals to come out, including americans who are stuck in gaza. the israelis have said they have no issue with americans and other foreign nationals coming out. hamas has not permitted their exit. and has made a series of demands. . we are working through that with the egyptians, we are working through that with the israelis, and just the same as it is the highest priority for the president to get the american hostages out, it is the highest priority for him to get those american nationals out. we are not going to rest working through these difficult discussions until we achieve that. it is something i was on the phone late last night working on, something the president will be working on today in conversations he's having with regional leaders. and we will continue to pound away at this problem until we've gotten any american who

wants to leave gaza out. >> what are the demands that hamas is asking for? >> it is a fair question. you will understand that as we work through a delicate back and forth to try to secure the release of those american citizens to allow them to leave the border crossing, i can't get into the details of that. but i will just tell you that it is something that we are actively working on. >> what would you say to the americans who are waiting to depart. what is the timeline? what can they expect in terms of when they might be able to leave and what are you hoping for? >> well, dealing with americans who have been detained in various places overseas, held hostage, or trapped in places. i have learned to be straightforward. to say, we don't know for certain when the moment will come, when that gate opens, and they can leave. all we know for certain is that we are doing everything in our power to get it open, and

secure their safe passage so that they can get home, they can get to their loved ones. we are going to keep working at that, hour by hour, day by day, until it happens. >> there have been reports of around 80 trucks passing through the rafah crossing, but a major concern is of course still the lack of fuel. israel has and understandable concern about how that fuel could be used. but without, it hospitals and clean water and gaza are compromised. is the administration pushing for fuel to move through to gaza as well? >> well, first, jen, the reason those trucks are moving is because of president biden's leadership. he worked very hard to secure the opening of that crossing for humanitarian relief. he also said this past week that there needs to be more. but that flow of trucks needs to increase and increase substantially, so that there is enough food, water, and medicine to get to innocent people in gaza who are badly in need of it. on fuel, the question you, asked the president is also made clear that he believes that fuel needs to get first to the u.n. trucks that are

distributing this eight around the country. >> and then second to critical infrastructure like hospitals. and that we should work out a way to get fuel to those places so that hamas can't divert it, steal, it or use it for military purposes. that is what we are working on right now. we are working hard with the united nations, with israel, and with egypt, to make sure that fuel gets where it needs to go, and does not get into the hands of hamas for military purposes. >> has israel expressed an openness to fuel coming through? >> well, israel has raised his concern about diversion, but it also has acknowledged that fuel has to get to the united nations. and so, they are working on a practical basis for how to make that happen. we have an expectation that fuel will get to the u.n., and other critical relief agencies so that the necessary humanitarian assistance, the necessary support to innocent palestinians in gaza, is a

short. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about this and game for israel. they've talked about the desire to set up a security state. do you have an understanding of what that means? is that an end gold united states is comfortable with? and have you seen anything today that is concerning in terms of how they run their operations? >> it is hard for me to characterize what exactly israel has in mind as we look out over the long term. what i can do is characterized with the united states has in mind. because i think president biden spoke very eloquently to this in the rose garden, standing next to the australian prime minister this week. he said we can't go back to october 6th. and that means that hamas can no longer threatened israel from gaza, but it also means that we need a political horizon for the palestinian people where they have rights, security, and dignity, in a state of their own. two states for two peoples. and then also, all of the countries of the region need to

participate in that, in a way that leads to greater regional integration and stability. that's with the united states is going to work to and toward. and we will work with israelis and palestinians on that. it is a regular part of our conversation with the israelis. not just what is happening tomorrow, but what is happening, as you put, it in the endgame. we'll continue to stay focused on that. >> white house national security adviser, jake sullivan, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. coming up. mike pence on the way out, and mike johnson on the way up. at first glance, they've a lot in common. there is one key difference that could explain why one is limping out of the race for president, and one just became house speaker. plus, donald trump is now facing the threat of being jailed in multiple jurisdictions, because he refuses to stop violating gag orders and the conditions of his release. neal katyal and andrew weissmann join me in just a few minutes. we are back after a quick break. we are back after a quic break. break. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne.

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religious conservative republican is limping out of the race for president after failing to gain any traction whatsoever. another deeply religious conservative republican just ascended to the speakership, and is now second in line to the presidency. one of the key differences between mike pence and mike johnson's, well, pence refused to go along with donald trump's efforts to overturn the election in 2020. what mike johnson was a key architect of that plot. there is no place in the republican party for christian conservatism, so long since paired with a fealty to the former president. so let's take a few minutes to talk about this new speaker. first glance, mike johnson does seem fine-ish. conservative, yes. but he once started us ability congress for the democrats. if nothing else, he wears a suit has glasses. how threatening can this guy actually be? well, he gave us all a little

clue as to how he would govern in an interview this week. >> i am a bible believe in christian. so someone asked me today in media, they said, curious. people are curious. what does mike johnson think about any issue under the sun? i said, well, go pick up a bible off your shelf and read it. that is my worldview. >> you heard that right. the bible doesn't just inform his worldview. it is his worldview. in fact, during his first speech in his new job, johnson suggested that his election as speaker was an act of god. talk about a bit of a humble brag there. so what exactly has got apparently called on mike johnson to do? well, his views on policy are essentially what you'd expect from a religious fundamentalist. they are more divisive than they are divine. prior to his election in 2016, johnson spent nearly two decades working for the hard right conservative legal activist group, the alliance defending freedom. it is a group, by the way, that

is so right-wing, it was designated a hate group by the southern poverty law center. the atf has worked for decades to pair the lines between church and state. if, not a reset altogether. it is kind of their goal. they've pushed to expand lgbtq+ discrimination in the name of religious freedom. they are a big part of the effort to overturn roe v. wade. following in a supreme court 2003 ruling that struck down the country's sodomy laws as unconstitutional, johnson criticize the decision and wrote in favor of criminalizing gay sex. he claimed that, quote, states have always maintained the right to discourage the evils of sexual conduct outside of marriage. then in 2004, johnson wrote that homosexual relationships are inherently unnatural, ultimately harmful, and a dangerous lifestyle. you don't exactly have to be a religious scholar to learn whether discrimination is a key tenant of the bible. it is not. and then there is the policy on gun violence. speaker johnson wants to talk about anything but gs.

in 2016, he actually blames school shootings on no fault divorce laws, radical feminism, and legal abortion. it is all quite a stretch there. then there is the obvious question of how johnson's convictions square with his fierce loyalty to donald trump. a guy who's been married multiple times, paid hush money to a porn star, and joked about grabbing women. i would like to know what passage in the bible told johnson to become one of the most important architects behind trump's effort to overturn the 2020 election. we're deposit? you've god was brings you to know the constitution to disenfranchise millions of voters? it is hard not to think that mike johnson's idea of what america should be as drastically out of lined, he clearly envisioned the country that is less democratic and less tolerant. and explains why he might see more comparable by his america of the 16th century than the america of today. >> the truth has been replaced

as the greatest virtue of society by tolerance. we are the inherently until i want to say, wait, life is sacred because we are in debt by a creator with certain unavailable rights. if you stand up for those. oh, you big, it can to be a little bit more open minded, come on. that is so 18th century. you know, well, they told us that if we don't maintain his 18th century values, that their public would not stand. so this is the condition we find ourselves in today. >> holding on to those 18th century values there. the problem with johnson is not at all his fate. he's entitled to his personal beliefs, as everyone is. even if they come from the 18th century. but when those believes encroach on the rights of others, that is why it becomes dangerous. or to the rights of gay people, trans people, or the millions of americans out there who are entitled to have their vote counted. coming up. a outburst in court, from mark meadows, a new plea deal in georgia and ivanka trump ordered to testify. i've 1 million questions for the in-house law firm of neal katyal and andrew weissmann. i will ask as many as i

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consider jailing trump, if he keeps threatening potential witnesses. we are still waiting for that judge to respond to that filing. and at the same time, the judge in the new york case has already threatened jail time for repeated violations of the gag order there. it is worth pointing out that trump's adult children are set to testify in new york this week, what could make him go crazier than that? it is definitely going to incense the former president even further. if this insane weekend ratings on social media are any indication, we can find out very soon just how far the judges in these cases are willing to go to stop him. joining me now is our in-house law firm, neal katyal, the former acting u.s. solicitor general. if you're weisman is the former general counsel at the fbi and a senior member of special counsel robert mueller's team. okay, neil, so much to cover here. i just wanna start with a gag order. because i think we are all waiting to see what happens here. jack smith has asked for it to be reinstated, judge chutkan to reinstate the partial gag order, when we expect this to happen, and do expect that to happen? >> so it has been a cray cray

week in donald trump legal's developments here. >> that's a legal term, they're cray cray? >> that is the technical legal term. look. there are two different gag orders. one, trump has already violated, the one in new york state, in which he has been now find twice. and then there's a swarm that you're talking about the federal level with jack smith. and that one has been put on pause. i think donald trump has made the best case of anyone. he is witnessing for why you need the gag order in effect. because the moment that gag order was put on pause, he started developing and attacking people left and right. so i think that there is no doubt in my mind that there will be a gag order imposed on donald trump. and there also is no doubt in my mind that he is going to violated repeatedly. repeatedly to the point where a judge is going to have to confront the ultimate question. are we going to put the former president in jail? and i think there is only one answer to that. >> what is your answer? >> which is you have to. if he continues this behavior, no other litigant in this country would ever be able to do what he is doing, and judges,

i don't care what your politics are. the one thing you understand when you put out that robe is that it is about the legitimacy of the court. and about the judicial process. >> andrew, neill mentioned the new york case. in the new york civil fraud case, trump was fined $10,000 this week for violating that gag order. the judge previously did it threaten jail time, which neil seems to think should be a part of this. ivanka, his children, are supposed to testify this week. what are you anticipating is going to happen here? and is there anything between fines and jail, as the judge is considering options? >> well, i really agree with neil. and i actually am very concerned that the 10,000 dollar fine, which is the second to find he was already fined $5,000 first violation, sends exactly the wrong message. because donald trump, as you know, jen, is really good at power dynamics and getting a signal of what he can get away with. and what lines people are

willing to draw. so i think $10, 000, in some, ways is sending the wrong incentive. you really need to do something that is going to cause him to adhere to the judges rules. and remember, what the judges are concerned about is rhetoric that will lead to violence. all you have to do is look at the january 6th riots to know that there is that concern, that there obviously are also concerns, because you have somebody who is actually in charged with threatening judge chutkan and is under arrest for that. so i am concerned that with his children testifying this week, with that civil case really going to his brand as a alleged billionaire, with it really possibly leading to his not being able to do any business in new york state whatsoever, that he will continue to act

out. and i agree with neil that judges are going to need to really stiff in their spines, because they have to worry about the violence that can come from the call and response that the former president is wielding. >> this week was so full, it was cray cray, as you said. mark meadows knows. and mark meadows is reporting that mark, about that. how big of a deal is it that meadows reportedly told investigators he did not believe the election was stolen, and that trump was being dishonest? that is meadows view, right? it is not reflecting that, but how big of a deal is that? >> it is quite a big deal. basically mark meadows is president trump's former chief of staff. >> there for everything. >> there for everything. and for the prosecutor, jack smith, or for fani willis, to show that a crime has been committed, for trump, you have to have a bad act, and you have to have bad criminal intent. meadows is important to both.

trump's best offense, we've heard it over and over again is look. i legitimately thought i won the election. now those of us on earth as well also understand that that is not even possible. but nonetheless. that is going to be his argument. meadows, evidently, according to abc news, told the prosecutors, no. trump himself did not think he won the election. and that is what cassidy hutchinson had testified before the january six commission. >> interesting. very consistent with what we've heard from other people. so before i let you to go, i mean, every week there seems to be a new person kind of folding here in the georgia case. i wanted to ask you, andrew, as you are watching this unfold, jen ellis with this last week. which you said was a big deal. which you said was a big deal. >> why is that such a big deal? and why do you think it's coming up next? >> jen ellis has a really driven agreement. she agreed to, quote, fully cooperate, unquote. which is different than chesbrough or powell, who pleaded just days before her. and what she pled to was aiding and abetting false statements

made by rudy giuliani. so for rudy giuliani, this is really a very bad development. so he is facing continued civil liability in connection with his d.c. case against him. he is facing significant criminal liability, and he certainly is a former doj official, knows exactly what is coming, and also his off ramp, if he were to cooperate. so i think that is the thing that i'm sort of very much focused on, the honestly the mark meadows piece, if the reporting is true, is a huge development with respect to donald trump's liability. >> neil, real quick, who do you think is the next to fold here? >> i agree with andrew, i think it's rudy giuliani is a target. the thing to watch and the next week is not someone who's gonna fold, but ivanka trump testifying against her husband, against, excuse me, against her father, compelled by the court, and basically it's the old legal adagio.

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it's important to note that may does not require background checks on ground sales. it does not have an assault weapons ban, does not limit magazine capacity, does not require conceal carry permits, does not restrict open carry, and does not have a red flag law. that's not entirely republican problem. maine is largely a blue state where democrats control both senators and the governor's mansion. it's a policy choice. which brings me back to the gunman. he was a u.s. army observes in a firearms instructor. his mental health had deteriorated recently and rapidly. he was even hospitalized for two weeks over the summer for inpatient psychiatric treatment. he recently made threats against a military base which led the sheriff to descend a statewide alert to all law enforcement agencies about him last month. but he still had access to his weapons. both those perched along time ago, and those purchased more recently. apparently one guardrail and placed it work. abc news reports today that the gunman tried to buy a silencer for a rifle at a gun store

three months ago. the shop did not let him because he admitted he had been committed to a mental health facility. had he succeeded in buying it, the gun store owner believes the mass shooting this week could have been even worse. because people would not have heard the rifle fire. that's what silencers do. here's the thing. there are callous people who fit the description of the suspected gunman. all over the world, severe mental illness exists in every state, and every country. but we live in the only country that has repeated mass shootings. only in america isn't easy enough to buy and keep a weapon designed for mass school slaughter. even as family members in the employers expressed concerns about someone's mental health. it's the guns. this endless cycle is a policy choice. and it doesn't have to be this way. it is also pretty easy to feel hopeless in moments like this. as we all continue this repeated pattern of dissuading for the next mass shooting in this country to happen, wearing about our kids, our family members. it is easy to feel helpless, as we watch another community join the long list of others that

are still grieving and hurting. months and years and even decades after a mass shooting happened in their school, or in their shopping mall, or in their place of worship. it is easy to feel helpless, we have the brand-new speaker of the housing only prayer is appropriate a time like this. and now is not the time to be talking about legislation, exactly the time to be talking about it, by the way. luckily for us, my next two guests disagree with that notion. they've been advocates for gun safety since there and a vigil communities experienced mass shootings. march for our lives -- and representative denis jones joined me for a big conversation about this after the break. the break. the break. orer! each helping to protect their money with chase. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect.

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ever going to change on gun violence in this country is if the country starts listening to people like my next two guests. david hogg is the cofounder and board member of march for our lives and president of lawyers who deserve. justin jones is a state representative in tennessee and both join me now.

thank you both so much for taking the time and for continuing to have your voice out there, always. david, i wanna start with you. when a lawmaker is directly impacted by one of these shootings, sometimes they change their tune. we. can always hope for that, but sometimes it happens. i want you look in and listen to what the main democratic governor had to say this week. >> i've opposed efforts to ban deadly weapons of war like the assault rifle used to carry out this crime. the time has now come for me to take responsibility for this failure. which is why i now call on the united states congress to ban assault rifles like the one used by the sikh, perpetrator of this mass killing in my hometown of lewiston, maine. >> so, justin, i know having a slight technical issue there, i would take this to you. because the congressman also noted during this press conference that he had a false confidence that his community was above this, which i thought was so interesting. does that kind of thing frustrate you, or give you hope? you must experience some of

that tennessee as well. >> yes. well, jen, first of all, thank you for not allowing us to get into this casual acceptance of mass death in our nation when it comes to gun violence. thank you for not letting the nation just move on when 18 lives were taken in lewiston. what is frustrating is that we know that it was an ar-15 that took the lives of 39-year-olds and three adults here at covenant, in nashville. it was an ar-15 in jacksonville florida, it was an ar-15 in lewiston, maine. the issue is not a shooter with a gun. it is a shooter with access to a military grade weapon that is able to enact mass death in seconds. we know that there are common sense solutions that work. that is what's frustrating. the vast majority of americans, republicans, independents, and democrats are calling for common sense gun laws, like an assault weapons ban we had in the 90s. and we had that lot, jen, we know that instances of these men occur since dropped. when it expired, we saw over hunted percent increase. we know that there are

solutions that work, but the guns over people caucus continues to put the province of the nra and the profits of the gun industry over the lives of people and children in this nation. >> it is such an important point, and david, i want to ask you kind of about some of those laws. because maine does not have strong laws against gun violence. they don't have a red flag law, for example, despite this gunman's mental health struggles, we had well known to his managers and family, nothing was done to take his guns away. what is your biggest take away from this particular case? what can be done to stop something like this moving forward in a state like maine? >> my biggest takeaway is that we need democrats to act with courage, that not only say that we're going to act on this issue, but actually act on it when they say that they care about it. i was in maine, just about four years ago, when they passed that yellow flag law. i remember talking with state legislators, why they needed to have a stronger law, while yellow flag law was not enough. and time, and time again, i read something along the lines of, well, this is maine, we are

like other states, this just doesn't really happen here. but now, unfortunately, it has, and now people are dead because of that. i'm actually virginia right now campaigning to help elect a gun safety majority in the state legislator, because in maine, they don't have a state legislator race this year, but in virginia, they do. and it's coming up in the next week. so if you are in virginia, vote, you can change this issue. vela november 7th, tuesday, just coming up. make sure you vote for people who are not backed by the nra and guns over people party. that might actually protect everyday people. you know, jen, i was talking to a state delegate here who is working on this. a lot treated after a four year old. a foiled picked up a gun in an at home daycare, and unfortunately, died in an unintentional shooting. these are preventable deaths that we can avoid. unfortunately, in virginia right now, there is no law that requires dangers to make sure that if they're at home, that they don't leave their guns out for, example. these are common sense things that don't threaten any irresponsible gun owner in the

first place. the reality is, if you threaten to who to high school, or if you leave a gun out by a child, you should be held accountable for that. because that is not responsible gun ownership. that is irresponsible salesmanship practices that the nra, and so many industries have been pushing toward. but vote november 7th if you are in virginia. >> as a mother myself, very true. cannot echo that more in the election as a week from tuesday, as you mentioned. justin, we all have to, david kind of alluded to this, because our state laws are so important, as we've experienced, we have to have clear eyes about who has power also in washington heights now. and i want you listen to what the new speaker of the house had to say this week about mass shootings. >> at the end of the day, the problem is the human heart. it's not guns, it's not the weapons. at the end of the day, we have to protect the right of the citizens to protect themselves. that is the second amendment, and that's why our party works so strongly for that. >> that sounds to me a lot like someone who is not experienced gun violence personally. but, if you are watching or listening right now, what would you want him to know about what

communities experience and why reforms are so needed? >> yes. first of all, jen, i want to let speaker johnson know, that in my tradition, when you put guns above people, we call the ideology. and when you put the lives of people under money, and campaign contributions we call that idolatry so let's not use faith and false thoughts and prayers to gloss over this issue. let's pray with our feet and hands. and signing legislation so what i want the new speaker of the house because we finally have a speaker to know is that, a committee like nashville, this covenant was not the first mass -- mass shooting in nashville. we had a mass shooting at a waffle house. we had another mass shooting at an elementary school. our community continues to fill this tremendous grief. and it is important for grieving communities to try and use for the joe city to make their pain dismissive, and to try and rush the way into the next mass shooting comes. i hope that speaker johnson knows that this is an issue that is supported by republicans, independents, and

democrats. i've traveled in a rural and urban counties. and people are calling for common sense gun laws. in the wealthiest county in tennessee's. i hope that speaker johnson does not wait until a mass shooting hits his committee to act. i hope that he acts according to not an issue of left or right, but recognizes that this issue of gun violence is a moral issue of right and wrong, and history will watch where he stands in this time. history will judge him. his children will judge him. and future generations will judge him. because we are sick and tired of living in this world a preventable mass death because of an extreme minority that have hijacked our democracy. this issue of gun violence, jen, is a crisis. it's an emergency in our democracy. it is a small minority to take control of our policies when the vast majority of americans across political ideologies are calling for common sense gun laws, to save lives save lives, that is my message, speaker johnson, do something good with your time. it took 22 days we'd become speaker. let's make sure that it is worthwhile. for the people of all of this nation, in particular the young people and kids, because gun

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