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crisis deepens, and the world braces for what comes next. national security adviser jake sullivan is here, with the view from the white house. and he has coming up first. plus, meet your new house speaker. michael johnson goes from backbencher to the top spot in the blink of an eye. and the closer you look, the more concerning things get. and later, gag orders, -- and guilty pleas put more pressure on donald trump, as his adult children prepared to testify, this week in new york. andrew weissmann and neil -- are here to discuss what feels like an inflection point, for the four times indicted former president. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it's been three weeks since hamas terrorists unleashed their devastating and deadly attack on israel. three weeks, since over 200 people were kidnapped. many of them women, and children. three weeks of a humanitarian crisis, spiraling out of control for the people of gaza.

and now, the israeli defense force has confirmed that they have expanded their ground operation of the last couple of days. new video released by the idf, seen here, shows ground forces on the move inside gaza. and over the past few hours, we have continued to hear explosions, and seen smoke rising over the skyline. the israelis have specifically not called this the unofficial ground invasion. but regardless of what they are naming it, nbc news and reporters in the region say this is the most sustained bombardment they have heard, to date. the continuous airstrikes are not only destroying tunnels and buildings, but also the flow of information. services is now gradually being restored after internet and cell phone service was knocked out across much of gaza yesterday. largely severing over 2 million people from communicating with the outside world. the world health organization just reconnected with his team in gaza, after losing contacts yesterday. saying that the blackout made it impossible for ambulances to reach the injured. this is all just the beginning,

of what will likely be a prolonged and bloody military operation. and as israeli forces continue to push in with the broad goal of eliminating hamas, major questions remain about what happens to the innocent hostages, and civilians who are trapped inside gaza. along with the people being held captive, and scores of civilians are trying to get out, including hundreds of americans. many of them are still stuck along the rafah crossing border crossing, unable to leave. weeks, after being told it would be open. aid is trickling, and put food and water remains scarce. and the lack of fuel is making it increasingly difficult for hospitals to continue running, and for water filtration plants to -- water access. these photos showed palestinians lined up, looking for clean water, after a night full of airstrikes, at an israeli incursion in the north. and today we saw yet another sign of the desperation gripping the people of gaza. thousands of people broke into the united nations warehouses, trying to get their hands on food and basic survival supplies.

the u.n. secretary general said gaza is, quote, facing a total collapse, with unimaginable consequences. and now, military action is intensifying on top of this growing humanitarian crisis. now, some version of the offensive has begun, with so little visibility on the ground in gaza, i'm and wondering, and i'm sure i'm not the only one wondering, what is the endgame here? just how devastating will all of the speed, and what can be done to prevent this conflict from spiralling into a larger war in the middle east? >> joining me now is white house national security adviser jake sullivan. jake, thank you so much for taking the time this afternoon. i just wanted to start with reports overnight, that there is an expansion of the ground operation. does the administration consider this the start of the ground offensive? >> well, we are letting the israeli defense forces characterize their operations, and we are not going to do it for them. these are their decisions, these are their operations. but, it is certainly the case

that we are seeing an expansion of the effort to get after hamas, the terrorists who attacked israel on october 7th, on the ground as well as on-the-air. but ultimately, while we consult on a daily and hourly basis with the idea, if they are the ones who are making the calls, and ultimately making the characterizations for the operation. >> i know you are in a very close touch with them. there are also reports that israel's phased approach, to date, aligned with suggestions from defense secretary lloyd austin. you and probably others, from what you have seen so far and what you have heard from them, does this align with what u.s. officials have been suggesting? >> well, you'll understand that i have to keep the advice and counsel that we are providing to the israelis private, because it can be more effective that way. but what i will say is that we had, over time, asked the same hard questions of the israelis, that we would ask of ourselves in an operation like this.

what are the objectives? are the means matched to the objectives? how are you going about this? and critically, how to deal with the fact that hamas is holding civilians as human shields, it is hiding among the civilian population, which creates an added burden for israel, but does not lessen the need for israel to distinguish between terrorists on the one hand, and innocent civilians who deserve protection on the other. so, those are the kinds of questions that we were posing, the kinds of conversations we were having. and those don't stop, simply because we have entered a different phase here. we will continue to ask those questions, as we go forward. >> well of course as you mentioned, hostages are front and center, some of the americans, many of them foreign nationals. prime minister netanyahu told the families of israeli hostages that the more hamas is under pressure from this military campaign, the better the chances to release the hostages. that seems to conflict with the private suggestion that a delay their operation, to have more time. so, do you agree with his assessment? >> well, here is what i

believe. i believe that there still is an opportunity to get these hostages out. and, it is the highest priority the president has, to get americans safely home, and to help get all of the hostages out, israeli, foreign nationals, and americans. and so, we are continue to stand in very close contact with israel, and with foreign partners, as negotiations continue, to try to secure the release of those innocent people who are being cruelly and criminally held by hamas. and we will not rest, until that happens. we are going to continue driving forward, to ensure their safe release, like the two americans we are able to get out several days ago. >> so, the conversations with the qataris and other third-party events that are continuing, even as this ground operation is stepping up? >> the conversations are continuing. and as i said, we are not going to let the conversations laps, because we are going to insist on continuing to use every

avenue, to try and secure the release of the hostages, even as military operations continue. >> there were reports over the weekend, that internet and cell phone service was largely knocked out, and some connectivity has been restored. what is the white house is visibility into gaza right now? i mean, some people don't know what is going on. do you have an assessment of what it looks like on the ground? civilian casualties, food, energy, other situations on the ground? >> well, we draw from a variety of sources, to gain a picture of what is happening on the ground. but it is not a complete picture. we have course don't ourselves have personnel there, and hamas is also blocking access to many parts of gaza to anyone, including the red cross or journalists or others. so, there are limitations in our visibility. we do have some sense about the aid that flows in. we do have some sense about the rough number of hostages being held, for example. but like i said, we don't have a perfect picture of what is

happening in gaza. we do feel strongly, that the restoration of that communications was a critical thing, because aid workers need to be able to communicate, civilians need to be able to communicate. and of course, journalists need to be able to document what is happening in gaza, to report it to the wider world. so, that was something that we cared about, worked on, and we're glad to see that restoration. >> one of the areas where there is very little visibility is this question of the hundreds of americans, who can't leave gaza through the rafah border crossing. you have said before previously to me and others, that hamas was at fault. but, what are your options at this point, for getting those americans out through that border crossing? or in other means? >> look, this is a situation where the egyptians have said, they are prepared to allow foreign nationals to come out, including americans who are stuck in gaza. the israelis have said they have no issue with americans and other foreign nationals coming up. hamas has not permitted their

exit, and has made a series of demands. we are working through that with the egyptians, we are working through that with the israelis. and just the same, as it is the highest priority for the president to get the american hostages out, it is the highest priority for him to get those american nationals out, and we are not going to rest working through these difficult discussions, until we achieve that. it is something that i was on the phone late last night working on, something the president will be working on today, in conversations he is having with regional leaders. and we will continue to pound away at this problem, until we have gotten any american who wants to leave gaza out. >> what are the demands that hamas is asking for? >> it's a fair question. you will understand that as we work through a delicate back and forth, to try to secure the release of those american citizens, to allow them to leave through the border crossing, that i can't get into the details of that. but i will just tell you, that is something that we are

actively working on. >> and what would you say to the americans who are waiting, who are waiting to depart. what is the timeline, or what can they expect, in terms of when they might be able to leave? what are you hoping for? >> well, dealing with americans who have been detained in various places overseas, held hostage or trapped, in places. i have learned to be straightforward, when and to say we don't know for certain when the moment will come, when that gate opens, and they can leave. all we know for certain, is that we are doing everything in our power to get it open, and to secure their safe passage, so that they can get, home they can get to their loved ones. we are going to keep working at that, hour by hour, day by day, until it happens. >> there have been reports of around 80 trucks passing through the rafah crossing. but a major concern is, of course still, the lack of fuel in israel. and israel has an understandable concern, about how that feel could be used. but without, it hospitals and clean water in gaza are

compromised. is the administration pushing for fuel to move through to gaza, as well? >> well first, jen, the reason those trucks are moving is because of president biden's leadership. he worked very hard to secure the opening of that crossing for humanitarian relief. he also said this past week that there needs to be more, that that flow of trucks needs to increase, and increase substantially, so that there is enough food, water, and medicine to get to innocent people in gaza, who are badly in need of. it on fuel, the question that you asked. the president has also made clear that he believes that fuel needs to get, first to the u.n. trucks that are distributing the aid around the country, and then second, two critical infrastructure like hospitals. and, that we should work out a way to get fuel to those places, so that hamas can't divert, steal it, or use it for military purposes. that is what we are working on right now, we are working hard with the united nations, with israel, and with egypt to make sure that fuel gets where it needs to go, and doesn't get

into the hands of hamas, for military purposes. >> has israel expressed an openness to feel coming through >> well, israel has raised this concern about diversion, but it also has acknowledged that fuel has to get to the united nations, and so, they are working on a practical basis for how to make that happen, and we have an expectation that fuel will get to the u.n. and other critical relief agencies so that the necessary humanitarian assistance, the necessary support to innocent palestinians in gaza, is assured. >> before i let you go, i wanted to ask you about this and game for israel. they've talked about the desire to set up a security state. do you have an understanding of what that means? is that an and goal of the united states is comfortable with? and have you seen anything today that is concerning in terms of how they run their operations?

>> it's hard for me to characterize exactly what israel has in mind as we look out at the long term. what i can do is characterized what the united states hasn't wind. i think president biden spoke very eloquently to this in the rose garden standing next to the australian prime minister this week. he said we can't go back to october 6th. that means that hamas can no longer threaten israel from gaza, but it also means that we need a political horizon for the palestinian people where they have rights, security, and dignity and a state of their own, to states for two peoples. and also, all the countries of the region need to participate in that and a way that leads to greater green gentle integration and stability. that's what the united states is going to work toward. and will work with the israelis and pasta insomnia. and it is a regular part of our conversation with the israelis, not just what's happening tomorrow, but what is happening, as you put, it in the endgame, we will continue to stay focused on that.

>> white house national security adviser jake sullivan, thank you for joining me this afternoon. >> coming up, mike pence on the way at, and mike johnson on the way up. at first, it seems like they have a lot in common. there is a difference that explains why one is now limping out of the race for president, and the other is now house speaker. -- refuses to stop violating gag orders and the conditions of his release. you'll catch law -- join me after a quick break. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it's designed to target and remove them and helps prevent asthma attacks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. get back to better breathing. ask your doctor about fasenra.

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republican is limping out of the race for president after failing to gain any traction whatsoever. another deeply religious conservative republican just ascended to the speakership, and is now second in line to the presidency. what are the key differences between mike pence and mike johnson? well, pence refused to go along with donald trump's efforts to overturn the election in 2020, when mike johnson was a key architect of that plot. apparently, there is still place in the republican party for extremes christians search -- conservatism, as long as it's paired with fealty to the former president. let's take a few minutes to talk about the new speaker. first glance, mike johnson does seem fine. fine itch. conservative, yes. but he -- if nothing else, he wears a suit and has glasses. how threatening can this guy actually be? well, he gave us all a little clue as to how he would govern in interview this week. >> i am a bible believing christian. someone asked me today in the

media, they said, it's curious, people are curious, what does mike johnson think about any issue under the sun? i said, well, go pick up a bible off your shelf and read it. that's my worldview. >> you heard that right. the bible just just inform his worldview, it is his worldview. in fact, during his first speech and his new job, johnson suggested that his election as speaker was an act of god. talk a bit about a bit of a humble brag that. what has god called on mike johnson to do? -- essentially what you'd expect from a religious fundamentalist. they're more divisive than they are divine. prior to his election to congress and 2016, johnson spent nearly two decades working for the alliance defending freedom. it's a group that is so right wing it was designated a hate group by the southern poverty law center. the atf has worked for decades to where the law between church

and state, if not erase it all together. it's kind of ethical. they push to expand lgbtq+ acts -- the effort to overturn roe v. wade. following the supreme court's 2000 -- johnson criticize the decision and vote in favor of criminalizing gay sex. he claimed that, quote, states have always maintained the right to discourage the evils of sexual contact outside marriage. but in 2004, johnson wrote that homosexual relationships are inherently unnatural, ultimately harmful, and a dangerous lifestyle. you don't exactly have to be a religious scholar to know whether discrimination is a key tenet of the bible. it's not. then there's his policy on gun violence. speaker johnson wants to talk about anything but guns. in 2016, he blamed school shootings on no fault divorce laws, radical feminism, and

legal abortion. quite a stretch there. then there's the obvious question of how johnson's convictions square with his fierce loyalty to donald trump. the man who's been married multiple points, paid hush money to a sex worker -- one of the most important -- which passage? was it god whispering in his ear to ignore the constitution and disenfranchise millions of voters? it's hard not to think that mike johnson this idea of what america should be is drastically out of line with what america actually is. he clearly envisions a country that's less democratic and less tolerant. and that may explain why he seems more comfortable with the america of the 18th century than the america of today. >> the truth has been replaced as the greatest virtue of society by a tolerance. life is sacred, because where

-- oh, you bigot, can you be a little more open minded? come on. that's so, like, 18th century. well, they told us that if we didn't maintain those 18th century values, that the republic would not stand. this is the condition we find ourselves in today. >> just holding on to those 18th century values there. the problem with johnson isn't at all his fate. he's entitled to his personal beliefs, as everyone is. even if they come from the 18th century. but when those beliefs encroach on the rights of others, that's when it becomes dangerous. whether it's the rights of gay people, trans people, are the millions of americans out there who are entitled to have their vote count. coming up, immunity for mark meadows, a new plea deal in georgia, and in order for ivanka trump to testify. i've got 1 million questions for andrew weissmann and neal katyal. i'll ask them when they come back. back in adults 50 years and older.

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stormed out of a new york city courtroom incense it service agents scurrying after him. shortly after, he was fined $10,000 for violating a gag order in the civil fraud trial against him. that wasn't even the craziest legal development this week and. and a separate case, you know, the one where the former president is accused of trying to overturn an election, special counsel jack smith's team is pushing to reinstate the gag order against trump that had been potentially -- temporarily frozen. they cited his threatening message to his former chief of staff mark meadows, we also learned this week was granted immunity to tense defy under oath and that case. and that new filing from smith's team, prosecutors foreign to a federal statute that -- so, that's the special counsel basically asking the judge to consider jailing trump if he keeps threatening potential witnesses. we're still waiting for the judge to respond to that filing. at the same time, the judge in the new york case has already threatened jail time for

repeated violations of the gag order there. it's worth pointing out that trump's adult children are set to testify in new york this week. what could make him go crazier than that? it's definitely going to incense the former president even further. if his insane weekend rantings on social media are any indication, we could find out very soon just how far the judges in these cases are willing to get to stop him. joining me now is our in-house law firm, neil catalunya, the former acting u.s. solicitor general. andrew weissmann is the former -- senior member of special counsel robert mueller's team. okay, neil. so much to cover here. i want to start with the gag order. i think we're all waiting to see what happens here. jacket smith as asked for it to be reinstated. judge check-in, to reinstate the partial gag order. when do you expect that to happen and do you expect it to happen? >> it's been a crazy week in donald trump's recent legal developments. there's two different gag orders, one trump has already

violated, the one in new york state, the one where he's been fined now twice, and then there's the when you're talking about at the federal level with jack smith. that one has been put on pause, but i think donald trump has made the best case of anyone. he's witness a for why you need the gag order in effect. because the moment that gag order was put on pause, he started googling and attacking people left and right. so i think there's no doubt in my mind that there will be a gag order imposed on donald trump, and there's also no doubt in my mind that he's gonna violate repeatedly to the point where a judge is going to have to confront the ultimate question, are we going to put the former president in jail? and i think there's only one answer to that. >> what is your answer? >> which is you have to. if he continues this behavior, no other litigation in this country would ever be able to do what he's doing. judges, i don't care what your politics are, but one thing you understand is if you put on that robe, it's about the judicial process. >> neil mentioned the new york

case, the new york civil fraud case. trump was fined $10,000 this week for violating that gag order. the judge previously did threatened jail time, which meal seems to think should be a part of this. ivanka, his children are supposed to testify this week. what do you anticipating is going to happen here? is there anything between fines and jail, as the judge is considering options? >> well, i really agree with neil. i actually am very concerned that the 10,000 dollar fine, which is the second fine -- he was already fined $5,000 for the first violation -- sends exactly the wrong message. because donald trump, as you know, is really good at power dynamics and getting a signal of what he can get away with and what lies people are willing to draw. i think $10, 000, in some ways, is sending the wrong incentive. you really need to do something that is going to cause him to

adhered to the judges rules. and remember, what the judges are concerned about is the rhetoric that will lead to violence. all you have to do is look at the january 6th riots to know that there is that concern. there obviously are also concerns because you have someone who was actually charged with threatening judge chutkan, and is under arrest for that. so i am concerned that with his children testifying this week, with that civil case really going to his brand as, you know, and alleged billionaire, with really possibly leading to his not being able to do any business in new york state whatsoever, that he will continue to act out. i agree with neo-that judges are going to need to really stiff in their spines, because they have to worry about the violence that can come from the

call and response that the former president is wielding. >> this week was so full. it was crazy, as you said. mark meadows news, and abc news is reporting that -- how big of a deal is it that meadows apparently told investigators he didn't believe the election was stolen and that trump was being dishonest? i mean, that's meadows view. it's not reflecting trump. how big of a deal is that in court? >> it's quite a big deal. basically, mark meadows is president trump's former chief of staff. the person in the room -- >> there for everything. >> therefore everything. and for the prosecutor, jack smith, or for fani willis to show that crime has been committed, for trump, you have to have a bad act, and you have to have bad criminal intent. meadows is important about. trump's best defense, we heard it over and over again, is, look, i legitimately thought i won the election. those of us on earth to understand that that's not even possible. but nonetheless, that's gonna

be his argument. meadows, evidently, according to abc news, told the prosecutors, no, trump himself didn't think he won the election, and that's what cassidy hutchinson had testified before and the january six committee. >> interesting. very consistent with some of what we've heard from other people. before i let you to go, every week there seems to be a new person kind of folding here in the georgia case. i want to ask you, andrea, as you're watching this unfold, jen ellis said this last week, which he said was a big deal -- why is it such a big deal? who do you think might be next? >> just remember, jenna ellis has a very different agreement. she agreed to fully cooperate, which was different than -- who pleaded just days before her. . and what she pled to was aiding and abetting false statements made by rudy giuliani. so far rudy giuliani, this is really a very bad development. he is facing continued civil

liability and connection with his d.c. case against him. he's facing significant criminal liability, and he's certainly as a former doj official knows exactly what's coming, and also his off-ramp, if you were to cooperate. so i think that is the thing that i'm sort of very much focused on. but obviously, the mark meadows piece, if the reporting is true, is a huge development with respect to donald trump's liability. >> real quick. who do you think is the next to fold here? >> i agree with andrea. i think rudy giuliani is the target. the thing to watch in the next week is not someone who's gonna fault, but ivanka trump testifying against her husband -- against her father, excuse me, compelled by the court. and basically it's the old legal at dodge. those families who have committed crimes together testified together. >> all things to watch. we'll talk about it next week. you'll catch yell, and you weisman, thank you so much for sharing with us your legal wisdom.

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it's important to know maine does not require background checks on -- limit magazine capacity, does not require concealed carry permits, does not restrict open carry, and does not have a red flag law. that's not entirely a republican problem. maine is largely a blue state, where democrats control both legislatures and the governor manchin. it's a policy choice, which leads us back to the gunman. he was a u.s. army reservist and a firearms instructor. his mental health had deteriorated recently and rapidly. he was even hospitalized for weeks over the summer for inpatient psychiatric treatment. he recently made threats against his military base, which led the sheriff to send a statewide elected all law enforcement agencies about him last month. but he still had access to his weapons, both those purchased a long time ago and those purchased more recently. apparently, one guardrail in place did work. abc news reports today that the gunman tried to buy a silencer for a rifle at a gun star three

months ago. the shop didn't let him because he admitted he'd been committed to a mental health facility. had he succeeded in buying it, the gun store owner believes the mass shooting this week could've been even worse, because people wouldn't have heard the rifle fire. that's what silencers do. here's the thing. there are countless people who fit the description of this suspected gunman. all over the world. severe mental illness exists in every state and every country. but we live in the only country that has repeated mass shootings. only in america is that is enough to buy and keep a weapon designed for mass slaughter. even as family members and an employer expressed concerns about someone's mental health. it's the cons. this endless cycle is a policy choice, and it doesn't have to be this way. it's also pretty easy to feel helpless in moments like this, as we all continue this repeated pattern of just waiting for the next mass shooting in this country to happen, worrying about our kids, or family members. it's easy to feel helpless as we watch another community join the long list of others that

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leaders we deserve. justin jones is a state representative in tennessee, and both join me now. thank you both for taking the time, and for continuing to have your voice out there, always. david, i want to start with you. when a lawmaker is directly impacted by one of these shootings, sometimes, they change their tune. we can always hope for that, but sometimes it happens. i want you to listen to what remains democratic congressman derek golden had to say this week. >> i have opposed efforts to ban deadly weapons of war like the assault rifle used to carry out this crime. the time is now come for me to take responsibility for this failure. which is why i now call in the united states congress to ban assault rifles like the one used by this sikh perpetrator of this mass killing in my hometown of lewiston, maine. >> just so you know, where having a slight technical difficulty that. i gotta take this to you. -- false confidence that his community was above this, which i thought was so interesting.

does that kind of thing frustrate you are give you hope? you must experience some of that in tennessee too. >> yes. well, jen, first of all, thank you for not allowing us to get into this casual acceptance of mastiff and our nation. thank you for not letting the nation just move on. when 18 lives were taken in lewiston. what is frustrating is that we know that it was an ar-15 that took the lives of 39-year-olds and three adults here at covenant in nashville. this is an ar-15 in jacksonville, florida. and eight are 15 in lewiston, maine. this is a shooter with access to a military grade weapon that is unable to annexed mass death and seconds. we know that the common sense solutions that work -- the best majority of americans, republicans, independents, and democrats, are calling for common sense gun laws like an assault weapons ban that we had in the 90s. when we had that, law jen, we know that incidences of these

massacres dropped. and when it expired, we saw over 100 percent increase. so we know that there are solutions that work with the guns -- continues to put the profits of the nra, the profits of the gun industry over the lives of people in children in this nation. >> it's such an important point. and david, i want to ask you kind of about some of those laws, because maine does not have strong laws against gun violence. they don't have a red flag law, for instance, and despite the gunman's mental health struggles, well known to both his managers and his family, nothing was done to take his guns away. what's your biggest take away from this particular case? and what can be done to stop something like this moving forward in a state like maine? >> my biggest takeaway is that we need democrats to act with courage that not only say that they're going to act on this issue but actually act on it when they say that they care about it. i was in maine just about four years ago when they passed that yellow flag law. i remember talking with state legislatures about why they needed to have a stronger long, why a yellow flag law was not

enough. and time and time again, i heard something along the lives of, well, this is. main were not like other states. this doesn't really happen here. but now it unfortunately has, and -- i'm in virginia right now campaigning to help us -- they don't have a state legislature race this year, but in virginia, they do. and it's coming up in the next week. so if you are in virginia, vote. you can change this issue. vote on november 7th, tuesday, just coming up, and make sure you vote for people who are not backed by the nra and the guns over people party. that want to actually protect everyday people. jen, i was just talking to a state delegate here who is working on -- a four-year-old picked up a gun in an at home daycare and unfortunately died in an unintentional shooting. these are preventable deaths that we can avoid. unfortunately, in virginia right now, there's no law that requires daycares to make sure if they're at home that they don't leave their guns out, for

example. these are common sense things that don't threaten any irresponsible gun owner in the first place. -- if you threatened a shoot a high school, or if you leave agenda -- you should be held accountable. that's not responsible gun ownership. that's irresponsible salesmanship practices that the nra and so many industries have been pushing for. vote if you're in virginia. >> i as a mother myself could not echo that better. -- justin, and david alluded to this, because state laws are so important as the experience to, but we have to have clear eyes about who has power in washington right now. i want you to listen to what the new speaker of the house had to say this week about mass shootings. >> at the end of the day, the problem is the human heart. it's not guns, it's not the weapons. at the end of the day, we have to protect the right of the citizens to protect themselves. and that's the second amendment, and that's why our party stand so strongly for that. >> that sounds to me a lot like someone who is not experienced gun violence personally.

but if you are watching or listening right now, what would you want him to know about what communities experience and why reforms are so needed? >> yes. first of all, jen, i want to let speaker johnson know that in my tradition, when you put idols above people, we call that idolatry. and when you put the lives of people under money and complain contributions, we call that idolatry. let's not use false thoughts and prayers to gloss over this issue. let's pray with our feet and hands. signing legislation. what i want the new speaker of the house, because they finally have a speaker, no, is that a community like nashville -- this was not the first mass shooting in nashville. we had a mass shooting at the waffle house here, and then another one covenant elementary school, and our community continues to feel this tremendous grief, and it's insulting to grieving community is to try and use eulogy acai to make their pain dismissed and try to brush away until the

next mass shooting comes. i hope speaker johnson knows this is an issue that supported by republicans, independents, and democrats. i've traveled in rural and urban counties, and people are calling for common sense gun laws. -- republicans are common calling for common sense gun laws. -- i hope that he acts not based on an issue of left to right, but recognizes that this issue of gun violence isn't moral issue of right and wrong, and history will judge him, his children will judge him, and each generation will judge him. because we're sick and tired of living in this world of preventable mastiff because of an extreme minority that have hijacked our democracy. this issue of gun violence, jen, is a crisis. it's an emergency in our democracy. we've allowed a small minority to take control of our policies when the vast majority of americans across political ideologies are calling for common sense gun lives to save lives. that's my message to speaker johnson. save lives, and do something with your time. it took 29 days for you to become speaker. let's make sure it's worthwhile

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