very excited to welcome back to former attorney general eric holder to the program. if only there was some legal needs to ask him about involving a certain former president. plus, i'll be sitting down with stacey abrams this week. i have so much ground to cover with a. this will be her first extensive interview about the indictment in fulton county. i'm also gonna talk to him about the 2024 race, and yes, i promise i'm definitely gonna ask her about her own political future. you'll see that interview next sunday, right here, at 12 pm eastern on msnbc. that does it for me today. be sure to follow the show on twitter, instagram, and tiktok. we'll be back here -- next sunday at noon. stay right where you are, because there's much more news coming up on msnbc. news coming up on msnbc >> good evening, everyone. we come on the air this hour with some major breaking news and the trump legal world.

the judge overseeing donald trump's federal election subversion criminal case just reinstated the gag order she issued on the ex president earlier this month. a significant development made by u.s. district judge tanya chutkan who denied trump's request to pause the initial order while his appeal plays out. she also lifted a temporary freeze on the gag order that she issued on october 20th while she considered his request. now, you may recall the gag order, which was limited and initial scope, had prohibited donald trump from making certain statements about the special counsel's team, or potential witnesses, including any comments that directly targeted the courts personnel. potential witnesses, or the special counsel and his staff. here's some important context on this late breaking developments on the sunday evening. earlier this week, following a report that is former chief of staff mark meadows might have

actually reached an immunity deal with the special counsel, donald trump attacked meadows on his failed social media site. as a response to that attack against meadows, jack smith accused trump of threatening meadows, alleging that trump said, quote, an unmistakable and threatening message to a foreseeable witness. he then asked judge chutkan to unpack oz that stay and basically reinstate the gag order. now in that 32 page filing, smith offered a stark warning here. he wrote in part, quote, otherwise, without the cots intervention, the defendant will continue to threaten the integrity of these proceedings and put trial participants at risk. a lot of breaking news here, lots to unpack with this important decision. let's break it all down with glenn kershner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, molly jong-fast, host of the fast politics podcast, of course he was also special

correspondent for vanity fair. glenn, we find ourselves here, again. i want you to start with the very basics. i want you to walk me through this decision for our viewers that tanya chutkan, judge tanya chutkan has just made. what did -- how did trump's comments about meadows factor into this late sunday evening decision? >> ayman, it could not have helped donald trump's comms that the minute judge chutkan stayed or paused her initial gag order, what did he do? he started saying and posting things that if the gag order remained in place would have been direct violations of that gag order. so we saw that at 705 pm eastern time today, she reimposed the gag order, she entered a summary and tree on the public document. it's called a mid order. i suspect we may see a more complete written orders from her soon saying she is

reimposing the original gag order. as you said, him in, he is now prohibited from talking about witnesses or the subject matter of their testimony. the court staff and jack smith and his team, interestingly, with the news that mike pence has just dropped out of the presidential race, it seems like he will now be included in that prohibition, because he is now simply a witness who will be testifying undoubtedly had donald trump's criminal trial, because trump waged a relentless campaign against mike pence trying to get him to violate the law, the electoral count act. so he's no longer a political opponent. it seems like he should be proud of the prohibition. so now, the only question that remains is how long before donald trump violates the reimposed gag order? >> yeah. that's a very important point. i just want to, again, explain to our viewers very clearly,

molly, this is a situation in which jacks mitt had brought these charges against donald trump. donald trump, of course, presumed innocent until this trial gets underway. and even in the indictment, jack smith made clear that the president can go out and campaign, talk about whatever he wanted to talk about, so long as he did not threaten the witnesses or the officers of the court. and on october 20th, by the time trump had done this many times, the judge and issued the skagway, and then she was willing to even concede on appeal a stay until the appeal was ultimately decided. and yet, here we are finding ourselves again, because of what is developed this week. donald trump, according to jack smith, violating that. and tonight, the judge saying that the gag order will be reimposed because we just simply can't have, i guess, donald trump attacking officers of the course or potentially intimidating witnesses. your reaction to these

developments? >> i don't think anybody should be surprised by any of this. it makes a lot of sense. donald trump has bullied people before. we've seen him use his social media, his enormous social media profile, to bully people who displeased him. so it wouldn't make sense not to have this. and i don't think that -- look. this is a scary time, and donald trump has a lot of power over his followers. and they do things, like they did on january 6th. so i think that having a gag order is the only thing that makes sense, and i hope that donald trump will do the right thing, and realize that bullying people, you know, in the court, the clerics, you know, going to social media, he has a lot of power, and it really is a lot of danger. a lot of us forget he used to be so loud, and he'd come after somebody, and their lives would be filled --

i, mean i had the sun cam after me once, and it was like death threats -- it's really a scary thing. and we've seen this again and again. people who worked in the elections, i mean, this is really something we've seen. there's a precedent for this. >> you hope, but the truth is that maybe wishful thinking on your part that donald trump abides by this. i think if we were just to look at the number of times he has not followed a courts order, it suggests that he probably will not follow this. but i want you to talk to us about something i think we can on dissipate, which is the argument that donald trump is going to make that he is being targeted, but somehow he's being singled out. the truth of the matter, if he's being singled out for anything, is that he's been given extensive amount of privilege and the way he's been able to go after courts, whether it be the trial in georgia, or witnesses in georgia, as well as the jack smith and special counsel probe there. he is definitely someone who

has pushed the boundaries of what i would argue normal citizens in this country would not have been allowed to get away with up until this point. >> amen, he has received preferential treatment. he's kind of the ultimate ruling class criminal. he's been above it all for so long, and when i was sitting in the argument a couple of weeks ago on the gag order, i was so disheartened when i heard judge chutkan, for whom i have the utmost respect, say the following. she said, if any other defendant who is on release in a felony federal case had said that the prosecutor handling his case was a deranged thug, that person would be in pretrial detention. and that is one inarguably true, based on my faith years as a federal prosecutor, and two, it's sort of highlights and gives voice to the n equal

application of the laws. so why isn't donald trump in pretrial detention? because, for whatever reason, our institutions of government have allowed extraneous factors -- i'm not gonna call them political factors, but extraneous factors creep into the calculation of whether somebody who violates the condition of release, whether somebody who is either a flight risk or a danger to the community, should be detained pending trial. donald trump should be, and the one thing that we still haven't had answered is when you play a few jack smith's 32 page filing, page 31, he said, not only do we want you to reimpose the gag order, judge, which she has now done, but we want you to make it a specific condition of his pre trial release, which -- there's some legal gymnastics that go along with that designation, but what it means is that under section 30 1:48 of the united states code, if

you violate set, you will be subject to release and pretrial detention through his trial. so that's a question she hasn't answered yet, and that will help to answer the question, what will happen if you violates the newly reimposed gag order? >> glenn, a question about the law here. now that we know this -- does the appeal still continue? or how does that play out? the gag order is now reimposed on donald trump, pending the appeal to the initial order on october 20th. is that correct? do i have that correct? >> you do. the appeal will continue, and the next thing i predict we see, now that they have lost the request to pause the gag order in the trial, they will make the same request of the appellate court. they'll say, we want the appellate court to now pause it while we continue to pursue an appeal. i'm not a betting man, i don't want to lay a bat on this one, i don't think the appellate court will be all that amenable

to pausing it, given donald trump's repeated apparent violation of the terms that were in the gag order once it was lifted. so, it's an open question, but i wouldn't expect the appellate court necessarily to intervene with its own pause. >> and molly, trump's lawyers have claimed that a gag order like this one would prevent trump from talking about, quote, key campaign issues. those arguments, i would argue, don't hold water, given the fact that there were specifically addressed in the documents that were presented as to why he still has the right to speak about this case. he just doesn't have the right to threaten the officers of the court or the witnesses. >> yeah. i think there's a real important difference between the trump targeting people who are involved in this case, clinics, you know, different lawyers, the judges, versus him

talking on the stock. and these are totally different things. he can tell the difference between these two things. so it's a pretty lame defense. i think the goal here is to stop him from bullying people who are involved in this case, and that is a noble thing, and quite frankly, no defendant should be bullying the people who are involved in their case. trump definitely is seeing a different kind of justice than a normal defendant. >> yeah, i was gonna say, really quickly, as a final thought, we are gonna begin the show tonight by looking at the legal week that donald trump had, and by everyone's assessment, it was a bad legal week for donald trump. it is safe to say as of 705 this evening, it is become an even worse week for the former president. molly jong-fast, thank you so much for joining us on this breaking news. glenn, i'll ask you to stick around, because we have a lot more to talk to you about, including this new reporting that mark meadows has immunity deal with the special counsel's

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could donald trump's former chief of staff become a star witness for the prosecution? multiple sources tell abc news that mark meadows has now secured an immunity deal with the special counsel jack smith and exchange for his testimony

before a grand jury in the justice department's election interference case. this is the report that we are just referencing, but one that trump attacked meadows for, which possibly led to the reinstatement, or possibly, i should say, lead to jack smith calling for the reinstatement h gag order which was issued just a orwhile ago. meadows has reportedly spoken with smith's team at least three times this year, including once before a federal grand jury, which came only after the special counsel granted him immunity. a deal between mark meadows and the government has been the topic of speculation now for months, but this latest reporting from abc news marks the first time that we received confirmation that a deal actually exists. along with that reporting comes new details about what mark meadows algedly told investigators behind those closed dos. sources tell abc news that meadows told mms team that he repeatedly informed trump in the weeks after the 2020

presidential election that the allegations of significant voting fraud coming to them -- also toldinvestigators that's former boss was being, quote, dishonest with thepublic when he claimed to have won the election only hours after polls closed and before final results were in. glenn kirschner is back with me, also joining the conversation now, colorado secondary of state janet griswold. she also serves as the chair of the democratic association of secretaries of states -- grew to have you both with us. let me, secretary griswold, start with you, with this breaking news that we had just an hour ago or so, the reinstatement of the guy corridor on donald trump in this federal election interference case. just your initial thoughts on it. >> i don't think it should be surprising to anyone. donald trump is a liar who thinks it's okay to break the law and intimidate people who

try to hold him accountable. like molly said in the previous segment, he has used inciting words and actions to lead to threats to his political opponents, legal opponents, anybody who he thinks is a danger to him. so ultimately, i think it's good to protect witnesses and the courts. there's a lot of litigation all over the country, and we cannot allow donald trump to use threats or intimidation as a way to get out of accountability. >> let me go back, glenn, to, at the quarter of this, something that mark meadows's former aide, cassidy hutchinson, who has who >> is voiced one of the star forced one of the star witnesses in general witnesses in the january 6th probe on capitol hill and told my colleague just earlier this week. mark was sort of all over the board in some ways. the privately admit to me sometimes that the election, that we lost the election. he would privately admit to me that trump had said that we

lost the election. mark also said there was a key player and bringing in people like sydney powell and alice who have pled guilty. he would at times acknowledge what he -- what i've read in the abc report. >> so, jacks mitt is going to have a very important part in all of this. let's say even before mark meadows cooperation came to. light that, is he would have to try to establish or prove that donald trump knew and had been told that there is no base for election fraud, and that the election was not stolen. what kind of information could mark meadows provide to smith's team about those two central pillars of his case. >> what's important is there two sides of the immunity coin when you just showed one side of it. cassidy testified to the january six house committee that mark meadows told her that donald trump said certain

things to mark meadows like yeah i know i lost a yes i know my supporters are attacking mike pence he deserves it but that's hearsay coming out of cassidy hutchinson's mouth it's directly admissible evidence. when it comes out of mark meadows mouth because he heard donald trump say that's admissible against donald trump. that's important evidence for jack smith to have. but the flip side of the coin is that prosecutors are dead -- why because it is essentially giving somebody a pass for their own criminal conduct and exchange for extracting from them the incriminating information about somebody else. and without getting too far down into the weeds the oliver north situation is a cautionary tale because all over north during this affair was compelled to testify and given

immunity to testify before congress and then he was prosecuted and convicted. but his conviction got reversed and busted on appeal because the court wasn't confident that none of the immunized testimony didn't come back. it wasn't used by prosecutors some unity is great but it can also make a future prosecution of somebody like mark meadows more challenging for prosecutors. so there are two sides the immunity coin here. i'm glad you clarified that for us and laid what could be a challenge for jack smith as he pursues this recorded immunity deal or cooperation deal with mark meadows to be more precise. secretary griswold your reaction to this alleged deal with mark meadows when it comes to protecting our democracy. do you think unity in exchange for information to go after the man who is at the center of this conspiracy is worth it?

. i think the litigation and the charges are doing what they should do and that is bring accountability to the american people for president trying to steal the election from them and hold on to the presidency. i trust the prosecutors are making some tough decisions that they think are necessary for the end result. but i think it's important to say that it's not just mark meadows who's looking on trump. a lot of trump's inner circle is also flipping on him. that is exactly the calculation that should be made right now. before this litigation people around trump decided to do whatever they could to stay in power and to stay close to trump to gain economic financial aid from him and now that their faces potentially going to prison for all of their conduct they're looking at hey this might not be such a

good deal. so litigation overall is really necessary. we need to disincentivize people like mark jenner alice sydney powell and donald trump, from doing things that would jeopardize american democracy. speaking of jeopardizing american democracy, i have to ask you before you go the new house speaker mike johnson megan mike as he was called is one of the key architects and a plan to overturn the 2020 election result. what does it mean not just symbolically but since you deal with the practicality of protecting our elections to have an election denier now at the top of the house of representatives. the second in line for the u.s. presidency is a person who believed the 2020 election was not free and fair. i think what it symbolizes is american democracy still remains at grave risk and not

only mike johnson did if he lies about the election nonexistent voter fraud. he also used his law degree to try to get a bunch of republicans in congress to join a litigation to stop the peaceful transfer of the presidency. and then even after january six he refused to certify the election. so ultimately i don't see how republicans and congress can run from election denialism at this point. they are complicit to the voter suppression laws threat to election workers threat to election administration because he is the speaker and what i think we could see from him and why he is such a big danger besides just the position he holds as he could push voter suppression bills in congress and weaponize the house committees. he can try to exert influence

just like they did in 2020 secretaries of state. so overall i think it's a dreadful sign that house republicans chose him. but ultimately the american people can ride the ship and hold them accountable and stop election denying it liz i'm extremely elections. >> jen's role, glenn kirschner thank you so much for pulling double duty for us. thank you to both of you greatly preceded as always. >> mark pocan joins me to join the other extreme far-right's belief of mike johnson, don't go anywhere

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representatives this week. johnson is a little known guy within washington so is likely to be a very unfamiliar face to most of america meaning he's in oppositions researchers dream, thanks for 20 plus years of ramblings and newspaper columns that probably flew mostly under the radar until now. as put by politico he is a social conservatives social conservative. his voting record has earned him a lifetime rating of 92% from the american conservative union and a 90% from heritage action. and biden's first two years he voted against the bipartisan like the 2021 by structuring law. reauthorization of violence against women act. modest new gun law and wanting to establish a january six independent commission. but frankly those votes also his radicalism.y the extent of

so let me just share a few of his own words in an editorial that ran in his louisiana paper. he called homosexuality an unnatural and dangerous lifestyle that would lead to legalize pedophilia and destroy the entire democratic system. his words joining me now is chair of the congressional equality caucus. congressman it's great to see you thanks for coming back in the show. talk a bit about meghan mike here. i gotta get your reaction to the judge reinstating that gag order on them all, trump what do you make on that? , >> well thanks for having me. innocent people down to a donald trump does think he keeps signaling over and over that he is guilty on this. and every time he decides to go after someone he's just digging his whole deeper. i'm glad the judge did it it's the right thing to do with

donald trump is donald trump event other people that have become presidents and then criminals like nixon. in this case we got a criminal that became president and we're dealing with the after facts. >> let me get your thoughts now on mike johnson the new speaker of the house. what >> was your reaction to him getting that house speakership given everything that i just read about his personal beliefs and his comments about homosexuality. this is the modern house republican caucus we saw the chaos of the last picture we didn't even have a speaker. and then when they pick one they pick one who is one of the most extreme members. he orchestrated the election denial after trump's loss. he said we should challenge the electoral college votes in places like wisconsin. he's been the architect of that much less what you talked about. he thinks that activity between two consenting adults should be

criminalized. you think that no boston should be allowed in any form he is a bunch of positions that is far off from where the mainstream of the united states is. and it's gonna be interesting how he governs with beliefs like that. , when someone says go pick up the bible and response to a question about their past bigoted statements. when someone suggests on their podcast that they don't believe in the fundamental idea of church and state how do they secure the unanimous support of the house republican conference and how do you govern people who do not have the extremist views. >> we had offered bipartisan to share governance to have a speaker when they couldn't pick

one for three weeks. and now they finally picked one but america's finding out just how extreme this person's but they're found that it was unanimous vote. we have an idea where they are. there's a reason why many people think it's less of a political party than it is a call for donald trump. whatever donald trump wants to get. he wanted mike johnson and he got what he wanted. some have suggested that if there's any silver lining it's that at least now the cat is out of the bag so to speak that 18 of these that went to joe biden and have representatives can no longer claim to be moderate on gay rights because they all voted for this man. do you agree and see it as much how much of an issue should democrats make in 2024. >> maybe most of america hadn't

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gaza. in michigan they say their support was critical to biden winning the state back in 2020. they warned they won't back him over his blanket support for israel and next election cycle. he's back with me in a member force of the congressional caucus. congressman thanks for sticking with us we partially taking time to discuss this. house speaker said he thinks a stand-alone bill will likely passed house today. it is not want to see one for funding for ukraine. are you planning to vote if another measures introduced in what to think about his approach? >> i want to see exactly what is talking about because he's brand-new and we don't know how he governs. but already 14.3 billion additional dollars in assistance israel and a very small amount of that is actually additional money going to humanitarian aid is problematic. it's really because they don't want to fund ukraine to 63

billion dollars as part of the security supplemental that he gave to congress. but to carve that i don't think sets gonna take that up on its own. it's gonna come back to us with everything. but i have a real problem just continuing to fund israel with munitions an extra weapons when we see what is happening right now. really conditions have to happen over money or the white house has to be very stern and saying. you have to allow some humanitarian supplies in. you can't blanketly target civilians. the fact that now over 8000 people have been killed including 3000 children. three children are not hamas. we need to have a much more active role so we can make sure more innocent people 2.2 million people live in gaza are protected during what israel rightfully so sees it as their

ability to go after hamas we have to protect the masses and that's 2.2 million people. there is a divide that has been growing between traditional and progressive democrats over the way the white house has been handling this and it's unconditional backing of israel. the new york times reports of left leaning coalition of young vo are showing re discontent towards the president than at any point since he was elected. what do you make of this backlash against president biden. why we're seeing so much energy around this issue right now. i think everybody gets what hamas did was horrific. that is something that is a pretty universally felt. but the response appears to be a collective punishment to live in gaza rather than strategically going after hamas. i think that some people are seeing.

you can't continue to see thousands of children killed when they're telling us that they're going after hamas. when you see the leveling of blocks that's not a strategic attack to go after hamas and i think it's our own eyes and ears are seeing things that are different than what we are hearing and the president to his credit is not where the foreign policy on his sleeve. saving a lot of back channel conversations but we need more because the fact that they allowed one day 20 truckloads of humanitarian aid in the next was 17 truckloads for 2.2 million people. 500 truckloads a day used to go into gaza food water and fuel they don't have that right now. the situation is dire. hospitals don't have equipment we need to do more since we are such a large funder of israel. i think it's incumbent on us to make sure that we are being heard about providing humanitarian aid, stopping the bombing honestly whatever term people want to use we do seem

to make sure that we are not killing innocent people anymore which we are doing too much of. >> the conflict as you know sir has also expose some sharp divisions among students. cooper union for example had an inns union and it was filled and shared widely. we are seeing a marked increase in anti-muslim rhetoric around this country. what kind of dynamics are we seeing play out right now and how do we address these issues what are we hearing from the leadership as the situation boils over here in the red states. >> the very first week i helped lead a letter on one of the points was to help call of this bias that we were seeing happen. i think people can agree to that fact when they see what's

going back and forth it's starting to cause real unrest among many people and i think we have to get involved to make sure that the killing does stop and then we get to have a peace process because it isn't our best interest. the middle east is crucial for foreign policy and we are huge funder for these weapon systems so i think taking an active role i was glad to see the present that we've been asking that for years and there's gonna be a lot more attention that has to continue. because what is the final outcome of this. i'm not sure the israeli government has given us an idea and not sure they have any idea. at the end of the day gaza was an open air prison. you can leave income goes you wanted to. it's been awful conditions for

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pieced for w rk magazine. she dissects a concentrated push to suppress efforts to provide hial context for the war. at the root othis is the increasing insistence that understandinghistory looking at the order events and the consequences of prevus actions to understand why the contemporary moment exists as it doe so endors the present. explanations are not excuses they are the illumination that builds the future but th problems understanding with how we got where we are is that we can be implicated innocent victims cannot have responsibility for creating the moment. joining me now is often play right. thank you sarah for making time for us i read this piece i really want to have this conversation with you because that is the conversations happening elsewhere and one that was difficult to have. so i wanted to get a sense of

why you felt the need to write this piece and how do we have society have a conversation trying to understand disrespecting the victims of the attack that happened on october 7th. and coming across as having any kind of excuse or justification. for 75 years palestinians have been murdered this place and incarcerated. the conditions have been created that are untenable not exploded. but to look at it with a long view looks at it at our participation and suppressing an entire people. that is what's very uncomfortable and jews have been taught not to look at. i grew up in new york city and i'm 65 years old my parents had never heard of palestinians. they had no idea what was going

on and they had experience jesus being victims. but as israel became stronger and militarized nation-state palestinians are pushed out of their homes and forced into refugee camps and exile, choosing to catch up and face the reality of history, so that we can understand why these offenses are taking place. . a lot of people disagree and say that any type of looking beyond october 7th comes across as a justification. i want to play the soundbite of someone who is a regular guest on this network. she's a cofounder of the organization. when you play for you her argument get the reaction. we didn't get a single day to mourn this tremendous loss of life. to aggregate resources and try

to help figure out these hostages. we all had to go on the internet and start combat-ing not just blatant and over alert antisemitism but all the people that started the because thing. the jews died because this and because the government did this and this foreign policy. i don't know when we started justifying terrorism but that is alarming. . it's much more comfortable to believe that we are good impure never thing was great and out of the blue this evil entity came and committed an act of violence but that simply not the reality. the pressure that has been put on palestinian people, nobody wants to live under occupation siege. i would want to be occupied for one day.

there's three generations now profound professionals, impossible to see that it would have consequence. the look at it that way, see the originating act -- that is of a cycle of violence is. that leads us to ask how we do get peace. we have to go back to the source. if we ended occupation, the siege. if everyone is treated as an equal human being with equal rights, i travel, to be on whatever road. to fulfill their dreams and access to opportunity, there would be no violence. >> how do you distinguish between the debate that is happening around antisemitism, which is been on the rise and

all around the world. how do you address that issue because it seems that the fear, about antisemitism which is on the rise is being conflated do not see it like that? >> a flattering 8000 people is not gonna help the fight against antisemitism but what's happening is the reality of antisemitism has been conflated people standing up and saying that this cannot go on in my name. people are opposing what's happening in gaza. hundreds of thousands of people marching. even in france and germany where demonstrations were forbidden. people went out in the streets, and london was a four by the palestinian flags they brought out thousands of flags. in new york there's been demonstrations in every borough. there are jews on both sides of

those demonstrations. i cooper union enough people are creating a false binary that it's pro palestine demonstrators and jewish students but there are plenty of your students for calling for a cease-fire. i'm on the advisory board of jewish voices for peace. we just had a demonstration and grand central station and to our people were arrested many jews opposed this war. >> i currently precip in this conversation with us. it's important to have at this time thank you so much for your time tonight. coming up we have a second hour after a quick break don't go away. go and calms the nerve down. and my patients say you know doc, it really works. (sean) i wish for the amazing new iphone 15 pro! (jason) and calmssean!nerve down. do you mean this one - the one with titanium? switch to verizon, and get iphone 15 pro on them.

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