become public the president today is going to sign his executive order on artificial intelligence. "axios" reporting on this. this is a tough order, the president is taking on the a.i. companies, forcing them to give transparency about internal testing that usually stays secret. i was on a briefing call yesterday for reporters previewing that. they said the industry was not let in on it ahead of time, so we don't know how they're going to react. but this is the president being tough and unveiling a new ai.gov to help americans navigate artificial intelligence. >> one wonders when the president goes to minnesota if they'll mention a democratic congressman. co-founder of "axios," mike allen, thank you for joining us. thank you for getting up "way too early" on this monday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. the united states has been focused on a core challenge here, which is that hamas is

using civilians as human shields. they're hiding behind and among civilians. they're putting rockets and other terrorist infrastructure in civilian areas. that creates an added burden for the israeli defense forces, but it does not lessen their responsible to distinguish between terrorists and innocent civilians and to protect the lives of innocent civilians as they conduct this military operation. that's true of striking from the air. it is true of going in on the ground. this is something that we talk about with the israelis on a daily basis. >> national security adviser jake sullivan on the responsibility of israeli forces as its troops are moving farther into gaza this morning, days into its ground operation. we'll get the latest in a live report from the gaza border. plus, what the new speaker of the house is saying about aid packages for israel and ukraine and how soon the funding could pass in the lower chamber. also ahead, there's much more to report on donald trump's

latest legal issues. he's back under a gag order this morning in his federal elections case, and his oldest children are likely going to testify in his civil fraud trial this week. we'll talk about what that means, and we'll look at the state of the republican primary now that former vice president mike pence is out of the race. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's monday, october 30th. y'all know it's halloween tomorrow, right? you ready? got your costumes? with us, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. former aid to the george w. bush white house and state departments, elise jordan. and president emeritus of the council on foreign relations, richard haass is with us. also with us this morning, u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay joins us. we've got a lot to get to, but we'll begin this morning with israel expanding its ground invasion in gaza. on saturday, prime minister

benjamin netanyahu announced israel is in its second phase of its mission to destroy hamas. netanyahu described the assault as israel's, quote, second war for independence. the operation began overnight friday with an intense wave of air strikes and ground raids, at the same time, phone and internet service was severed, leaving the vast majority of gaza cut off from each other and from the outside world. those services spontaneously resumed early on sunday. israeli defense forces say they've been targeting hamas' network of underground tunnels. this morning, israeli officials announced they've killed dozens of terrorists and struck over 600 targets, including weapons depots and staging grounds. israel's ground offensive comes amid growing international calls for a cease-fire or a humanitarian pause. the white house says president

biden spoke to netanyahu about the mission over the weekend. biden reiterated israel's right to protect itself but asked the country to prioritize protecting civilians. joining us from the israel-gaza border for the very latest, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel with more. richard? >> reporter: well, there is now ground fighting inside the gaza strip. we've been watching it intensify all weekend. this did not unfold the way some had expected with a blitz of divisions of israeli troops and tanks going in, many reservists. instead, we've seen elite israeli troops, combat engineers, bulldozers, tanks, armoreddismounted troops going into gaza from multiple directions. much of it focused in the area on the northern gaza strip which you can see behind me. there has been fighting ongoing this morning, and there do seem

to be clashes. we've seen israeli troops firing. we've also seen the israeli troops coming under fire, apparently from hamas. we are now talking about a phase of street-to-street fighting. we have also just heard from witnesses that israeli tanks, according to witnesses that have spoken to our crew, are on the main road of the salah hadine road, running from the north to the south of the gaza strip. that would make it impossible, at least very difficult, for palestinians to follow israeli orders to go from the north, to go from the south. israel repeated those orders with greater urgency this weekend, dropping leaflets, telling people to immediately leave gaza city and all the areas in the north, to carry white flags if possible, and head south. now with the reports of israeli troopshat road, it makes that mission far more complicated and dangerous, if not impossible.

>> let's talk about biden's plea to slow this down. humanitarian pause. what about the civilians? seeing a lot on social media. not sure what can be corroborated, but it's inevitable that civilians, there's going to be a lot of suffering if there isn't a pause. what are you hearing on the ground? >> reporter: with the power and internet restored, we are not relying on statements from the israeli army or hamas, certainly. there are many civilians who are still in gaza. many civilians who are in harm's way. many civilians who are sheltering in hospitals, hospitals that say that they have received orders to evacuate because israel says they are hamas command centers. the doctors say they cannot evacuate because they're providing services for hundreds of thousands of people who need them more than ever.

there are also many accusations that hamas is holding people deliberately as human shields. our crews have not seen any evidence of hamas roadblocks or any evidence that hamas is forcibly keeping people inside of buildings. what they have seen are many terrified residents who don't know where to go, who don't believe that moving on the roads is any safer than staying where they are, and don't believe that heading south carries any greater degree of safety than staying put. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel, thank you very much with the latest. then there is the hostages. despite israel's ground invasion, it appears hostage negotiations with hamas are continuing within all this. sources tell "the wall street journal" talks are ongoing with qatar mediating but are progressing at a slower pace. israeli officials believe the ground assault will put pressure on hamas to release the more

than 200 people taken hostage. before the ground invasion began, talks had stalled. a former u.s. official with knowledge of negotiations tells nbc news, discussions broke down on friday after hamas demanded israel allow fuel deliveries into gaza and refused to release a large number of foreign captives. only four people have been released so far. joining us now from qatar is nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. what can you tell us about the state of the hostages and any hope for their release? >> reporter: mika, we've been reporting this out with my colleagues, josh lederman and ken dilanian. what we are told is that there were real hopes overnight thursday into friday that these talks might lead to a humanitarian pause. in fact, john kirby at the white house said on friday that the white house was in favor of a

humanitarian pause in order to get aid in, he said, and to get people out. then on friday morning, those talks stalled. as you mentioned, a former u.s. official with knowledge of the talks telling nbc news that hamas has been insistent on receiving fuel, while the israel and u.s. side, plus other countries, want a large batch of their citizens release and had that wasn't being guaranteed by hamas. meanwhile, a diplomat with knowledge of the talks describing to us how talks were going very well on thursday, and negotiators were hopeful for a deal to be reached over the weekend. then going on to say, differences emerged early friday which led to the talks stalling. that diplomat, as you mentioned, saying the talks are ongoing. hamas official, and there's a lot of rhetoric now in public, a hamas official telling nbc news

that, "we won't negotiate while our people are being slaughtered." israeli officials saying if you put pressure on hamas through this military operation, actually, that's the best way to get them to negotiate. other israeli officials telling israeli media hamas was simply trying to negotiate in order to delay a ground invasion. there are signs, mika, and a lot is being said in public at this point. in fact, jake sullivan just yesterday on u.s. tv talking again about a humanitarian pause. a lot is being said in public. there are signs that those negotiations continue. again, israeli media reporting that benjamin netanyahu, the israeli prime minister, has said that one of their considerations, considerations, calculations, is whether or not some kind of a deal for israeli prisoners in exchange for -- hamas prisoners in israel in exchange for hostages might be a

possibility. hamas yesterday on its telegram site suggesting that that is something that they are demanding. so trust evacratevaporated frid. aid agencies say in order to get a large-scale release, you need trust and a humanitarian pause. at this stage, clearly, the emphasis is on the military operation by israel. >> nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons, thank you. of course, the issue with fuel is if they send fuel in, perhaps hamas will use it as part of their war machine. so we have the hostages and the plight of civilians in gaza, all parts of the worries that this could lead to a wider war. richard, let's first talk about biden's plea. we'll get to the front page of "the new york times" in a moment, which is just unbelievable in terms of the lack of readiness from the savage attack upon israel. but he is asking for a pause and

looking for the israelis to have a long-term strategy here. in your writing in "the financial times," israel needs to distinguish between hamas and the people of gaza. that is ultimately the way there is a long-term strategy, is it not? tell us how they would do that. >> look, the administration from the get-go, mika, has been giving israel support, some would say unconditional support, about the right of self-defense. >> it's true, yeah. >> what you had, though, is some friendly warnings. you have to be careful about the safety of civilians, keep open the two-state solution, but it's all been friendly advice. >> yeah. >> the question is, is israel heeding it? i would say a lot of the evidence is not so much. there's obviously a real tension between the nature of this israeli military operation and civilian casualties. what the israelis are doing is understandable, yes, but is it smart? is it necessary?

is it consistent with u.s. interests? not so much. i think what's happening, and i think it is inevitable, is you're going to see the growth of differences between the biden administration and what bibi net eliminate, destroy hamas. i'm one of the people who doesn't think it is doable. not that it isn't desirable but it's not doable. the nature of the target doesn't lend itself to that. in the process, you're going to see thousands and thousands of civilians killed. and they think israel has other options. for example, i know we'll get to this in a minute, why not do much more on strengthening defenses? october 7th never should have happened. >> it should have never. i mean, this is just incredible. you read this article on the front page of "the new york times," and it's just stunning, how completely flat footed the israelis were.

in a country that i think we lauded around the world, after 9/11, as an example of hard security. >> this is an intelligence failure not to collect data. it was an intelligence failure to analyze it incorrectly. it was a defense failure to allow the readiness on the gaza border to be so low. >> how is that possible? jonathan lemire. >> biden spoke to netanyahu over the weekend, first time since the ground operation began. reports this morning, israeli tanks on the edge of gaza city, including cutting off access to a road that they had urged gazan civilians to use to evacuate. elise, it is not clear whether they'll about to go in and this is the full invasion into gaza city, or whether it is an effort to encircle the city, have more of a siege mentality. u.s. military, you were part of the bush administration, knows a thing or two about urban combat. what are these next few days going to look like? spell out both options for us, a siege versus invasion.

>> well, it seems to me that siege is happening already and that it is impossible for most civilians to get out. so this situation isn't really -- i can't think of a good analogy with the last 20 years, necessarily, because the freedom of movement is so constrict and had they can't get out. they're told to flee and they can't. there was at least some freedom of movement in fallujah. you know, different urban warfare scenarios we've had the past 20 years. but look at how now we're on war footing and moving so many assets over to the region. what do you make of that, richard? we're getting to a state of readiness that we haven't seen since isis was defeated. >> you're beginning to see attacks on u.s. forces in iraq and syria. people forget, we have thousands of forces doing counterterrorism missions in syria, supporting the iraqi forces there, pushing back against iranian influence,

so we are vulnerable to war widening. iran is the central threat in all this. hamas, potentially hezbollah. so far, iran has a lot. i want to push back on one thing, jonathan. israel has other options. yes, there is the idea of siege and the idea of ground invasion. they can do things much more discreet. they're beginning to allow the special forces in, pinpointed type attacks. they can build up their defenses against gaza on the israeli side of the border. they could create a zone in gaza, as some israelis are talking about, for a mile or two. the idea that israel has to go in big on the ground and from the air, i would say no, that's an option. yes, they have a right, even one would say the necessity of responding to october 7th, but how they respond, that enters into the range of choice. they've got a big menu of options. i would simply say at the moment, they're going in extremely big, and there's a lot of observers in israel and here who worry about the success of

it. then imagine we're wrong and israel does succeed. what happens the day after? who do you hand over political authority? >> that's the question. >> imagine you were successful against hamas. what then? i have yet to hear an answer for anyone in the israeli government. >> is it the arab nations? where is the rest of the world on this, katty kay? i mean, for richard, i think he's actually talking about the missing link here, and that's differentiaing between hamas and the people of gaza in a very clear and full-throated way. but can israel do it alone with just the u.s. standing by its side unequivocally with no contingencies? where is everybody else? >> it's a great point. in this particular moment, mika, you've had a series of things happen over the last couple days that do suggest that there is a growing isolation of israel and potentially of the u.s. and its relationship with israel. on friday, the united nations,

there was a security council resolution that put just 14 countries in favor of a cease-fire -- in favor of not having a cease-fire, and then you see the international criminal court going to the region and saying that israel may be in violation of international law if it doesn't allow aid into gaza. those signals are being read in the middle east. the question is, you know, the degree to which the u.s. can afford to isolate itself from all of its other middle eastern allies in order to stand solidly by israel. it's a complicated moment of balancing different power struggles, and who takes over gaza afterwards? i think it's been made clear that, it's been floated, there can be a consortium of arab countries, but there's no sign they want to be running gaza. the u.s. wants to stand by israel, but it can't stand by israel and isolate itself from its other potential allies in the region, as well, which is why i think you heard over the

weekend jake sullivan pushing israel to respect humanitarian rights, to protect civilians in gaza. >> all right. we'll be back in 60 seconds with all the other news we have to cover, as well. we'll revisit this. big developments on the donald trump legal front. a judge reinstated a gag order in his federal elections case. this as the former president's children are set to testify in his fraud trial this week. plus, what former attorney general bill barr said about the dangers of a second trump term. we're back in just one minute. i made that. with your very own online store. i sold that. and you can manage it all in one place. i built this. and it was easy, with a partner that puts you first. godaddy. this month join the new subway mvp rewards program and get rewarded. get 50% off any footlong when you join subway mvp rewards. so many all star options. it's just for subway mvps right? you catch on quick herbert.

join now and get 50% off any footlong. he's already saying it is going to be about retribution. he's a pretty man, and it's all about him. he has a very fragile ego. something happened to him as a kid, and i'm not going to spend time psychoanalyzing it.

but, you know, every encounter, he has to come out showing the other guy he is better. it's all about, you know, the assertion of his ego. i think he will be self-indulgent in a new administration and, you know, won't be as effective as he could otherwise be. probably, things would start moving toward chaos. >> there's a lot there. former u.s. attorney general bill barr continues to warn about what a second presidency for donald trump could mn for america. trump resnd by attacking his form attorney general on social media, just as the attorney general was describing his behavior, he started carrying out the behavior. some wonder whether that rant would be considered a violation of the newly reinstated gag order in the federal election interference case brought by special counsel jack smith.

u.s. district judge tanya chutkan lifted a temporary hold yesterday. it was originally placed earlier this month at the request of prosecutors but was paused after opposition from the trump team. the former presint reacted to the new on his truth social page, writingn part, quote, it illegally and unconstitutionally takes away from my first amendmen rht of free speech in the middle of my campaign for president. he has promised to appeal the ruling. i think it is important to note out that he could be campaigning, but he has been choosing to be in new york city at his civil fraud trial. he doesn't have to be there. i think, personally, my analysis is that has to do with his money and his money being taken away from him. he just can't stand not being there, but he keeps putting his foot in his mouth there, too. >> he does have to be there a week from today. he's been called as a witness. >> he has to testify. >> his adult children will be there between now and then. to this point, you're right. his campaign has been clear

about this. they view this as two things at once. one, to your point, yes, this is hitting trump close to home. it's about his money, and he wants to defend the honor of his business, all that. he knows he is, well, not going to be clearly as wealthy of a man at the end of this. secondly, the campaign views this as an opportunity. this is his campaign. he is fighting against persecution. >> he is pretending he has to be there when he doesn't have to be there. >> donald trump pretends/lies about everything, so this is the latest part of it. he is suggesting he is a victim, being made to be there, even though he doesn't have to be. he is connected to his followers. he's connected this trial with the others saying, they're out to get me. look at the fronts. and there is a thought that if he is in the courtroom now for a civil case, it will desensitize the public and make voters less shocked when he actually has to appear in court next year in a federal case. >> okay. i think he is obsessed with his money, honestly. >> that's part of it. >> just knowing the man and knowing his sort of unbelievable obsessions, it's money, it's power, it's press, it's

headlines. but this is attacking his money. he could be anywhere. by the way, he sort of was campaigning this weekend but his head was still obviously somewhere else. he went to iowa but kept getting the name of the town wrong. joining us now, let's see what george conway thinks about this. attorney and contributing columnist at "the washington post," george conway. am i wrong in my analysis that he is showing up at this civil fraud trial a lot because this one gets him where it really hurts? >> yes, i fundamentally agree with that. i think it is even more, in a way, fundamental. this puts him out of business. this case is putting him out of business. >> that's what i mean, yeah. >> absolutely. that's his -- that's his essence. i think that he's just terrified that, you know, he's not going to have the trump tower. he's not going to have all the things he has bragged about for decades, for his 60, you know, for six decades. it's going to be gone.

he won't be able to run a business, and the question is, how much money is he going to be allowed to keep from that? that, to him, is striking at the core of donald trump. >> random question. when you're fined $10,000 by a judge, do you have to actually give that money the next day? do you have time? can you put it on a credit card? how does that work? >> well, i think i saw some correspondence in the news media that was reported that alina habba's firm submitted it to the fund, whatever is required in new york. he's paid it. at this point, it is symbolic and trivial to donald trump at this point. after a while, if he keeps engaging in this conduct, attacking justice engoron and his law clerk, he could be, you know, sent to the tombs or

somewhere, the main jail in new york city. we'll see how that goes. >> i'm not sure. how would you put a former president in lockup in new york city with secret service? the reason i ask about the money is because i'm not sure how possible that is. so maybe they could tell him to stay home or something. the bigger question is, could those fines get bigger and bigger as he misbehaves? >> yes. the fines can get bigger and bigger if he misbehaves. one method that has been used by courts in the past to enforce criminal contempt sanctions or civil contempt sanctions is to keep increasing the fines geometrically. $1,000, $10,000, $100,000. justice engoron could keep ramping those up. he has the record with trump violating the order multiple times, right under the judge's

nose in the courthouse. >> right. this week, several members of the trump family will be taking the stand in the $250 million civil fraud trial against the former president and his company. the new york state attorney general's office announced on friday they plan on calling trump's oldest children to the stand on separate days this week. donald trump jr. will testify this wednesday, followed by eric trump on thursday, and ivanka trump on friday. the former president himself is expected to be called next monday. prosecutors say they expect trum will be their final witness. meanwhile, trump has not let up on his attacks against the judge in the case on his truth social page. trump c judge n crazy and corrupt. trump has been already fined twice for breaking a gag order staff.eaking against the court there is no protection against speaking against the judge or prosecutors. george, couple of -- i mean, there are so many questions here. procedurally, first of all, can

they not show up for some reason, the family members? if they do, can they plead the fifth and not answer questions? or do they have to show up, and do they have to answer questions? >> they have to show up, but they can take the fifth amendment. they are under subpoena. they're called as what, in trial terminology, are called hostile witnesses, witnesses not cooperating with the plaintiff, being the state of new york. they have to show up because they'll be under court order. they could be held in contempt and sent to jail if they violate that order. but they can take the fifth. that's going to be the interesting question to me. how do they handle this? eric trump, according to the prior papers filed in the case, pleaded the fifth amendment over 500 times at his civil deposition in one day, in this case. >> what use would this be?

>> donald trump sr. -- well, the fact of the matter is because it is a civil case, the invocation of the fifth amendment can be used to draw a negative inference against the defendant. a trier of fact, judge or jury, can conclude, huh, he's not answering that question. it must be because he committed fraud or he lied previously or he did something bad. >> so it is an answer. >> you can't make that -- right. you can't make that inference in a criminal case, but that's one of the reasons why this case is so dangerous to trump. the assertions of the fifth amendment, and donald trump himself fifth amendment over 440 times in his deposition for this case, it can be used to infer, to allow the trier of fact, the judge here, to infer this was a giant fraudulent enterprise, which he's basically concluded already on the summary judgment, which asserted the papers. >> elise, part of this is already over. the judge has made his decision. >> well, that's what i wonder

about. we all have so much fatigue with donald trump committing -- doing something that, if anyone else did it, judges violaing gag orders, they'd be in a huge heap of trouble, yet, donald trump doesn't get in trouble. george, say donald trump doesn't really get punished in this trial. what does he have down the pipeline? is this the riskiest trial? going forward, the documents, the plethora of legal issues he has, how do you see the legal landscape unfolding? >> well, i think the other cases are much more dangerous in the sense that, i mean, this case takes away his money. he'll always have something. he's not going to be penniless. he may have to liquidate his problems because he can no longer operate them and do business in the state of new york, or as a new york corporation elsewhere, but the

other cases, he can spend -- he'll end up spending, and i believe he will, the rest of his life in prison as a result of the classified documents case and as a result of the january 6th case. together, i think he is going to be found guilty in both cases, and i think even if he is found guilty of a few counts in the florida case, the documents case, that could, you know, send him to jail for 10 or 15 years. the man is 78 years old already. >> totally agree that those are serious and they have consequences for this nation and the world, really, but i want to stay focused on the civil trial in new york. it seems, george conway, although i could be wrong, you let me know, it seems it's moving right along. they have a schedule. after the kids testify and trump testifies, they're wrapping it up. while these other cases, it's, you know, trump delay, delay, delay, delay, delay every step

of the way, if they can, with tons of different interruptions. this one seems to be moving quickly. again, the judge has already decided, right, that he's liable? is that the word to use? of massive fraud. what is being decided here is exactly what the penalty is going to be, how expensive it is going to be for donald trump. >> correct. >> which makes his rudeness in the court and his truth social posts just beyond stupid. because all of that impacts how the judge feels about this case. >> absolutely. >> what do you think the timeline on this could be? if he is given a large penalty, does he have to pay it immediately like the smaller ones? >> well, i mean, one of the things we could do is he can ask for a stay of the judgment. he got a stay of the part of the judgment that has been issued already with respect to the cancellation of his right to do business in the state of new

york. he can -- and what you can do, if you are a defendant and you've been hit by a big judgment in a civil case in a lower court, you can post a large bond, a bond equivalent to whatever the damages are, whatever the restitution is or whatever they're going to call it, you can post the bond, and that would suspend the collection of the judgment pending the appeal. the fact is, it's still going to be devastating to him because who is going to lend him money and do business with him? a man subject to this uncertainty. you know, just the embarrassment of the judgment, you know, he'll end up having to sell properties to address this judgment. he's not going to like that. >> george conway, thank you. yeah, i think we can agree on that. thank you very much. coming up, brand-new nbc news polling in iowa shows a tight race for second place

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they sort of spill out, and he goes too far. you know, he's not very disciplined when it comes to what he says. >> quote, his verbal skills are limited. donald trump's former attorney general, bill barr, what he says about his former boss right there. right on cue, just days after mixing up the leaders of hungary and turkey, trump yesterday incorrectly said hungary shares a border with russia. then here's what he said last week, followed by his comments yesterday. >> viktor orban, anyone ever hear of him? probably, like, one of the strongest leaders anywhere in the world. he's the leader of -- right -- he's the leader of turkey. we are very close to world war iii, and we'll prevent it. i know all the players. i know the good ones, the bad ones, the weak ones. there is a powerful player, viktor orban. anybody hear of orban? he is the head of hungary.

hungary fronts on both ukraine and russia. >> oh, my god. >> the conversation about viktor orban, what worries me, besides he gets the things wrong, that that is his model for american illiberal democracy. >> yes. >> if he were to come back, that is the person he'd fashion himself after. that ought to give people pause. >> a lot of people in the audience, no pause. no pause. trump also had some problems with u.s. geography, as well. during that same speech, he appeared to forget which state he was in, saying he is in sioux falls, located in south dakota, while he was actually speaking from sioux city, iowa. >> thank you very much. very big hello to a place where we've done very well, sioux falls. thank you very much. so sioux city, let me ask you,

how many people come from sioux city? >> i mean, katty kay, it, ah, we've come to accept this from donald trump. he has a sort of really, really flip relationship with the truth andfacts. i'm just speaking a fact. i'm not trying to be -- i'll be accused of being nasty, but this is just the truth. if this was joe biden, what networks would be on a loop right now playing it and then talking about perhaps having a doctor on about his mental acuity? there is such a disconnect and reality here in terms of the two frontrunners for president. >> look, so we have two candidates running for president who are likely to be the nominees of both the parties, who are older than most americans are comfortable with. joe biden gets an awful lot of attention for his age and a lot of scrutiny, and it is clearly damaging him in the polls, which is why he now has a primary

challenger which we probably wouldn't if it weren't for the age question. it's a real concern. donald trump over the last month or so has shown he, too, is a man who is nearing 80. maybe that is his age that is coming into play. at the moment, it doesn't seem to be impacting him with his supporters, but age has a way of -- we've seen this, mika, you and me, with parents, right? it catches up on them. let's see how the stress of a campaign, the stress of multiple, very intense legal suits against him affects his health and mental acuity and stamina over the course of the next year. just because it is not impacting him in the polls at the moment doesn't mean it won't in a year. a year out, a year more of trials, and a year more of age. at that age, it makes a difference. >> except, jonathan lemire, he haas a following that accepts anything. he has even said, if i did something like commit murder on fifth avenue, they'd still love

me. let's believe him at this point, given what we have seen. >> oh, his misstatements are not going to cost him any votes among his base. the issue is, is this an issue next year, in the general election, 53 weeks from tomorrow? >> why would it change? >> not for his supporters, but the independent swing voters who decide elections and look at two men, to katty's point, both 77 and above. yes, polls suggest the age doesn't seem to hurt trump as much as it hurts biden, but maybe next year, that does change. we have seen a number of his erratic statements, behavior, his mistakes, trump, that is, it's really picked up in recent weeks. those close to him suggest it is the pressure of the trials. the biden campaign blasted the clip out of him mixing up the sioux city and sioux falls thing, on twitter/x.

this is not the man you want at the helm. >> he doesn't relate to many of the trials, except for the new york city one. that's driving h crazy. a new poll out. "the des moines register" and mediacom, trump is at 43% among caucus-goers. tied for second is ron desantis and former u.n. ambassador nikki haley at 16% each. 54% of these caucus-goers say they could still be persuaded to vote for another candidate. 41% say their minds are made up. as for how trump's legal problems could impact a general election matchup with president joe biden, 65% believe he could beat biden no matter what. 32% say trump's legal challenges will make it nearly impossible for him to beat the sitting president next november.

joining us now, founder of the conservative website, the bulwark, charlie sykes. what do you make of these poll results? >> well, i think that they just reinforce the fact that, number one, donald trump remains the apex predator of the republican party. it also reinforces the fact that many anyone has momentum in the republican primary, it's nikki haley. the question is going to be whether or not she's going to be able to capitalize that, and whether or not the field is going to continue to consolidate. as long as it is a crowded field, donald trump is on a glide path to renomination. >> yeah. charlie, you know, iowa has never been one of trump's strongest states, yet polling suggests he is up huge there. the other thing that happened this weekend, beyond this poll that suggests this is donald trump's party, the quiet exit of mike pence from the race. mike pence, who served so loyally to trump up until january 6th, broke with him on january 6th, and to pence's

credit, has defended that ever since. his whole campaign, in some ways, was an explanation of why he felt that was the right thing to do. but trump's voters, and therefore most republicans, never forgave him. >> no. the reason mike pence got no traction is because of january 6th. this is worth spending a moment on. the reason tom emmer is not the speaker and mike pence is out of the race for president is for one reason. they refused to accept the big lie. they refused to go along with the attempt to overthrow the election. this has become the litmus test in the republican party. you think about mike pence. mike pence represents really what the republican party was, essentially, in 2015, before donald trump came down that golden escalator. you may disagree with his various policies, but none of the positions that mike pence took were, in fact, disqualifying or ended his campaign. what destroyed his campaign was his unwillingness to go along with donald trump's attempted

coup. that became the unforgivable sin. i think that, you know, we kind of get numb to all of this. but think about the way the republican party has decided that it is not only going to rally around trump, but that it is going to punish and it is going to exile anyone that challenges the worst, the worst aspects of trump's efforts to destroy constitutional democracy. >> i want to digress for a second and go to richard haass, then you can take it back, charlie. by the way, let's put the graphic up. is 43%. i think i said 47%. he's still 27 points ahead. donald trump i dng quite well. 43%. richard, it seems like trump supporters and these republicans who do have the power to speak out against donald trump, whether they're in congress, whether it's the new speaker of the house who is an election denier, i mean, go down the

list. there are so many people who have the platform but won't take the opportunity to take out someone who is a clear and present danger to our political system. i'm just wondering, as you're listening to this c would argue. joe biden just went into his second extremely difficult, hot war zone, and dealt with world leaders, sat in on a war cabinet meeting in israel, is able to navigate relationships that he has developed over decades, knowledge and wisdom he has developed over decades of mistakes and victories on the world stage. yet, it's going to be close between these two guys? what is going through your mind when you think about all the possibilities right now geopolitically? >> it's not so much what is going through my mind but what's going through the mind of the rest of the world. they look at us and can't believe it. they don't recognize us. if you are an american ally that depends on us, this is downright unnerving. >> don't think americans understand how precious that is, how we are looked at and

revered. >> it is critical to what stability there has been in the world. it's obviously critical to our influence. i actually think, you know, we've gone from america first under donald trump to alliance first under joe biden. this is a partnership-based foreign policy. if donald trump were to come back, suddenly, these partnerships would be placed at risk. i think we're looking at a world that's far more violent. conceivably, a lot of countries would revisit their possession of nuclear weapons. they'd say, we can no longer depend that the united states would have our back. we have to become self-sufficient. i actually think this is a -- i know most americans will go to the polls a year from now, 52, 53 weeks away, based on domestic issues, personality, what have you, but the international, the foreign policy implications of this election are arguably going to be greater than any election in modern history. >> i don't disagree. >> charlie, to mika's point, it's not just that things are close, donald trump could win. we are kidding ourselves if we think otherwise.

donald trump could win. it is certainly going to be razor thin margin next year. talk to us. you mentioned the new speaker of the house, mike johnson. he has certainly aligned himself. he was a leading election denier. matt gaetz was doing a victory lap, we have a more maga speaker in there now. he's not right about much, but he is right about that. >> he's right. >> let's talk about what this is going to mean and how a speaker johnson could help shape washington and 2024 politics next year. >> what i continue to be struck by is the fact that every single republican voted for mike johnson. so much for the normies exercising some spine. when it came down to it, not a single republican in the house said they were going to vote against somebody who played a central role to try to overturn the election. that's what the house is going to be like in the republican party for the next year. while the world is burning and

donald trump is cozying up to authoritarians around the world -- by the way, that is an underappreciated fact that he is continuing to suck up to viktor orban -- that while he is doing this, this house is likely going to impeach joe biden, do everything to cut off aid to ukraine, and donald trump suggesting he may abandon our allies. i don't think richard is overstating the risks whatsoever. there is a certain amount of denialism going on in republican and democratic ranks about the prospect of donald trump returning to the white house and what that would mean. i'm not suggesting that everybody should panic, but they ought to be deeply alarmed at this prospect. you've had a lot of republicans who have said, well, donald trump can't possibly win this nomination, so i'm not going to say i'm not going to support him in the general election. i think you have a lot of democrats who have been thinking, well, you know, we hope that we're going to run against donald trump because he is the easiest candidate to beat.

i'm not sure either one of those is aging particularly well. jonathan, you're absolutely right. all of the implications ought to be on the table. in terms of foreign affairs, i don't know that we've had a more radical choice. you know, i'm trying to think of what the analogy would be. we've never had a president who would suggest he might abandona. we've never had a president of the united states who made it clear he admires the most thuggish authoritarian leaders around the world. yes, you know, he is clearly showing a little confusion about sioux city versus sioux falls and where hungary is on a map, but the fact that he so deeply admires the world's dictators, the people who, in fact, have been dismantling democracy in their own countries, ought to be deeply, deeply alarming to americans of both political parties. >> i think that charlie nails what we really need to be paying

attention to. the extremism of the republican party, but also what we saw with this speaker vote. you have moderates who they vote against jim jordan, they get death threats, and this is sanctioned and promoted by other republicans in their caucus. when we have this level of extremism within a political party, where you are so threatened if you slightly deviate -- and that's something mitt romney said, too, in his somewhat of an exit interview with mckay copens in his "romney" book, the threat for republicans who choose to go against donald trump, it's so extreme, it stifles the debate. >> this idea that if the candidates drop out, there would be an consolidate around the anti-trump candidate, the same poll in iowa says those who list s desantis has the first choice, their second choice is trump.

they wouldn't break to haley but trump. it's not clear if one of the major candidates would drop out, trump would be weaker. he'd probably get stronger. >> founder of the bulwark, charlie sykes, thank you for being on. we have a lot of other news to cover, including the sudden death of matthew perry over the weekend. so sad. he was 54 years old. we'll talk about what happened and also the incredible outpouring ever since that news broke over the weekend. also, new details surrounding last week's mass shootings in maine. what police knew about the threats made by the gunman weeks before the attacks. also, one holdout remains out of detroit's big three, as the united auto workers reach a tentative deal with another major car manufacturer. we'll have the latest on the strike. "morning joe" will be right back. after weeks of struggling to elect a new speaker of the house, republicans gave up and generated one with a.i.

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best known for his role as sarcastic but lovable chandler bing on the hit show "friends" died at just 54 years old. nbc news correspondent chloe melas reports on perry's passing. >> reporter: new details surrounding the death of beloved actor matthew perperry. the star found unresponsive in a jacuzzi from an apparent drowning at his home, according to the lapd. nbc news learning authorities received a 911 call just after 4:00 p.m. on saturday about a water emergency at a california residence. law enforcement sources telling nbc news there was no apparent foul play, pending a further investigation. the 54-year-old posting this photo in the water just days ago. perry's family telling "people" matthew brought so much joy to the world, both as an actor and a friend. perry, born in williamstown, massachusetts, was raised in canada before moving to los angeles as a teen.

he discovered his love of comedy, joining an improv group. at 24, he'd land the gig of a lifetime, as chandler bing on the hit sitcom "friends." he'd star in the show for all ten seasons. >> i left the message. i have some pride. >> do you? >> no. >> reporter: later in a string of hit films like "the whole nine yards," "fools rush in," and "17 again." >> you have really great hair. >> oh, thanks. i grow it myself. >> reporter: despite his ability to light up a screen, off screen, there was darkness. perry opening up about his decades long battle with drugs and alcohol in his 2022 memoir. the actor said he went to rehab 15 times and detoxed 65 times. >> i would sometimes say a line, and they wouldn't laugh. i would sweat and just, like, go into convulsions if i didn't get the laugh i was supposed to. >> reporter: outpouring of support from california to new

york. at the famous "friends" building used in the show, writing, the loss is a shock. the "friends" instagram account calling him a true gift. our hearts go out to loved ones, friends, and his fans. it is the top of the hour on this monday, october 30th. jonathan lemire, elise jordan, richard haass, and katty kay are still with us. joining the conversation, we have columnist and associate editor for "the washington post," david ignatius. we begin this hour with israel expanding its ground invasion in gaza. on saturday, prime minister benjamin netanyahu announced israel is in its second phase of its mission to destroy hamas. netanyahu described the assault as israel's, quote, second war for independence. the operation began overnight on friday with an intense wave of air strikes and ground raids. at the same time, phone and internet service was severed, leaving the vast majority of gaza cut off from each other and

the outside world. those services spontaneously resumed early sunday morning. israeli defense forces say they've been targeting hamas' network of underground tunnels. this morning, israeli officials announced they've killed dozens of terrorists and struck over 600 targets, including weapons depots and staging grounds. israel's ground offensive comes amid growing international calls of a cease-fire or a humanitarian pause. the white house says president biden spoke with netanyahu about the mission over the weekend. biden reiterated israel's right to protect itself but asked the country to prioritize protecting civilians. let's bring in national security analyst for nbc news and msnbc's clint watts. what stands invasion, and are civilians being protected? >> mika, it is clearly the israeli plan is under way and has been unfolding since late

last week. on the 26th, you saw what is a first stage or initial breaching operation, coming in from the north of gaza. on the 28th, you saw another one. you saw tanks rolling in and setting up what would be called an operating base or securing a foothold right over the border. this essentially seals the northern part of gaza for israeli forces, trying to protect any sort of incursion that might occur. separately, what you're seeing today is there is an area here called juhon, right across the barrier area. the main road, salah al-din, has military forces moving up with tanks. there's several battles here and in this area here. the question is, what will happen in gaza city? a lot of the missile strikes and artillery is hitting this part of gaza. everybody is worried about the

humanitarian situation. in this northern section, israel said everybody needs to move south out of the region and down to the lower part of gaza. the question is, what is the humanitarian situation there? is there enough movement there? it is hard to tell, but we'll know more when daybreaks tomorrow, inside gaza. the bigger picture, particularly significant as you zoom out and look at what is going on in the region, over the weekend, we had air strikes up in syria here by the israeli military, hitting two targets. you also had, here, more skirmishes were rockets were fired in at a greater distance by hezbollah into israel, and hezbollah claiming to take out a drone. the question is, iran over the weekend said israel has crossed a red line. will these forces up here in the north start to ignite and create a confrontation? lots of military conflict and action going there. the humanitarian situation very

serious on the border with egypt. >> clint watts, thank you very much. i want to go straight to david ignatius. president biden is asking for a pause for civilians, because of the concern for civilians. the united states has stood shoulder and shoulder with israel, with benjamin netanyahu, offering complete, unequivocal support for israel. is benjamin netanyahu listening? is he heeding the advice? what are you seeing? >> mika, we don't know exactly where this offensive is going. it appears to be step by step, not a whole scale onslaught by all the israeli forces. we have a familiar pattern, israel trying to complete its military operations before international pressure forces it to stop or pause. i think president biden is doing what many american presidents have done in other mideast wars, which is to say the united

states wants israel to reduce civilian casualties, limit the humanitarian civilian suffering and provide humanitarian assistance. that's consistent with the 1973 war and subsequent wars, 2006 in lebanon. the israelis want to press to complete their operations, to destroy the military structure of hamas. they'll continue doing that. there is an important bid today by the united arab emirates, which is, in effect, a kind of ally to israel. the abraham accords initially were with the uae. the uae is calling for the humanitarian pause, and israel has to take it seriously. it has a lot to lose if the relationship with the uae is damaged. in coming days, we'll see the administration continuing this dual role, supporting israel, standing with it, insisting its right to defend itself, but also

saying that in conducting this war, you need to observe the international laws of war. this is a time for more humanitarian assistance. >> katty? >> over the weekend, how the white house now is publicly putting more pressure on israel to do exactly what you're saying. i don't know whether they're doing that for the israeli audience but also for the middle eastern audience, as well. the u.s. at this moment cannot afford to alienate the rest of the world. they may dismiss votes at the united nations, saying we're not part of the international criminal court. we don't mind if they say this risks being war crimes, but u.s. standing in the middle east has been diminished by its steadfast support for israel. how are they feeling in the white house about trying to keep some middle eastern relationships going and allies on board with the u.s. at the moment? >> the biden administration has placed increasing emphasis,

katty, on what we'd call swing states like the uae, saudi arabia, wanting to get them as u.s. partners across a range of important issues, including china. i think they're going to take seriously the criticism in the arab world. i've heard foreign ministers from arab countries describe the degree of protests in their countries, and i think they're pleading with the u.s. we can't live with this. soon, we'll be in danger, and your interests will be threatened in that way. we should remember that u.s. forces themselves have been under attack from iranian proxies in syria, in iraq. we responded by retaliating against those proxies, so we're dangerously close to being involved directly in this war. i think that's another concern for the administration. they do not want the united states to be in direct conflict. it's one reason for cautioning netanyahu. let's be careful.

step by step. don't take risks you and we will not be comfortable with. >> u.s. allies in the region, how they're viewing with, but let's talk about those who might be backing hamas. representatives from iran and hamas were in moscow the other day, which seems to be a scenario already overused, but an axis of evil, if you will. turkey waded into this, where erdogan threatened to send troops to the region. maybe he's breaking off ties with israel. talk to us about that part of this, like in terms of reinforcements that the hamas, hezbollah, iranian trio may get. >> it is another example of how the world has reassigned. what we're seeing, in the case of russia and ukraine, you see north korea and iran helping russia. now, russia is helping iran. you see the axis with hezbollah, hamas and so forth. turkey wants to be a player in the middle east and is trying to

stand up against the united states and israel. this is very much erdogan's -- >> nato. >> turkey is an ally, a nato member, but not a partner. turkey can basically do whatever it wants because nato can't dismiss a member. i have a question for david. we're talking about how the administration has been sending all sorts of signals to the israelis. let's just say, to use mika's word, the israelis don't particularly heed them. do you sense that this administration has the stomach -- use whatever word you want -- has the willingness to basically have something of a clash with bibi netanyahu, for all the reasons you were talking about, our standings taking a hit? we have the war in europe we have to worry about, on and on, worry about also the domestic implications politically and also socially. the rise of anti-semitism and so

forth. is there a willingness, if need be, to take israel on a little bit at some point? >> i think the white house has become more verbal publicly in its comments. slow down. we want to see a humanitarian pause. president biden was apparently very clear with netanyahu yesterday in saying, more humanitarian assistance is necessary. i think biden will continue to follow the pattern initially. he is a lifelong supporter of israel. when he went to israel after the horrible violence of october 7th and really embraced the country, that was a powerful moment. that was something that israel needed at that time. at the same time, i've described him as whispering in the ear of bibi netanyahu and other israeli leaders, "be careful. this is a complicated situation. don't rush in. be careful about civilian casualties." all the things we're hearing now, he was saying in private

before. now, he is moving a little bid toward a more public statement. i wouldn't except any fundamental change in biden's alignment with israel. he is a strong pro-israel advocate. i don't see that changing. >> joining us now, we have senior adviser to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, mark regev. appreciate you being on. we will ask you, is the prime minister hearing president biden's calls for a humanitarian pause, the concern for civilians? those are two, obviously, of many moving parts, the hostages and, also, the plight of the civilians. to consolidate richard haass' piece in the financial times, israel must distinguish between hamas and the people of gaza. is there a way, strategically, to do that? >> it is difficult, but we are committed to trying to do our best to do that. hamas is our enemy. our operation is targeting

hamas. we're going to destroy its military infrastructure and end its rule of gaza. in parallel, we're making a lax maximum effort to safeguard gaza's population. >> how are you doing that? >> well, one of the most obvious ways is the repeated calls to le expected combat zones. hundreds of thousands of gazans have heeded our calls and relocated to the south. that's very interesting because, you know, we're supposedly the enemy of the palestinians, yet we're asking them to get out of harm's way, while hamas is physically preventing them from leaving, first of all, by setting up the armed roadblocks to stop people from leaving. it's like they want to fight until the last gazan civilian. >> richard haass here. you used the phrase, israel's goal is to, quote, end hamas' rule of gaza. my question is, how do you propose to do it?

it sounds like regime change. what gives you the confidence you can do it? more important, what do you see as an alternative authority that is willing and able to govern 2 million people in gaza? >> richard, i'm not saying it is going to be easy, but i don't think we have a choice. there is no modus avendee for living with hamas. people were talking about finding carrots and sticks deterrents, a combination of deterrents and economic incentives, that you could somehow have gaza and a hamas rule. october 7th showed that is impossible. there is no stability with hamas. you can't have a live and let live with hamas. they're not prepared for it. >> yeah. >> anyone who thought the responsibilities of governing 2.3 million people would somehow moderate this organization, while october the 7th was a very, very stark wake-up call. >> isn't there another lesson --

>> richard -- >> isn't there another -- >> can i ask you a question, richard? >> sorry. we know what hamas is. the lesson of october 7th is the big story in today's "new york times," israeli readiness, israeli intelligence failed. if they learned the lessons of october 7th, doesn't that restore deterrence and defense? >> i don't think we are willing to continue to live -- for a fact, we are not willing to live next to this terror enclave any longer. it's not sustainable. no people would agree to live next to this isis on steroids type regime right on our border. to answer your question, richard, that you asked before, what is -- how do we intend to do what we are doing? our model is what the americans did against isis in iraq and syria. there you had an extremist organization that had a territorial control over a particular part of iraq and syria. they called it their caliphate. yet, an international coalition

destroyed that caliphate. that's what we are planning to do. we are planning to adopt that model. we don't want to see this hamas control anymore of the gaza strip. it's unsustainable. those people who think, you know, somehow we can make a quick fix and find some sort of band-aid solution, that's a recipe for more of what we saw october 7th. we don't want to go back there. >> david ignatius. >> i want to ask you, mr. regev, about the danger of a widening war. there have been exchanges of rocket fire across the syrian border, across the lebanese border. i'm also concerned about the possibility you could have a third front in the west bank itself. there have been a hundred west bank palestinians killed. there are settlers taking independent action of the israeli government. talk a moment about what you see as the danger this war will widen to many fronts. >> well, there's a serious

danger. all eyes are on hezbollah in lebanon. will they, in fact, attack us the same way that hamas did? were they going to launch an offensive? the only big difference is, david, obviously, we're now not -- we've got our eye on the ball. if hamas succeeded in surprising us and we paid a very dear price for our intelligence failure, we're not going to be surprised by hezbollah. we're mobilized. our forces are ready. if there is aggression from lebanon, we'll be able to meet it, i think expeditiously. i hope it doesn't happen. our policy is fighting and win victory in the south. in the north, deterrence. but we know it could happen. here, i want to praise president biden. by moving those aircraft carrier groups to the middle east, he has sent a message that i think can help minds in tehran and in beirut think very carefully about their next steps. maybe that will serve as

deescalatory. it'll reduce the probability of a widening war. >> mr. ambassador, i was hoping you could provide an update on the hostages that are still held there by hamas. there's some reporting that there had been a stall in talks. qatar was involved as well as a mediator in recent days. give us your sense as to how the ground invasion could impact these discussions, and has israel received recent assurances that hostages are still alive? >> so we keep revising our numbers. unfortunately, we keep having to revise them up. there are now 239 known hostages being held in thestrip. that's after the four were released, yes. to answer your question, our belief in israel is that hamas isn't suddenly going to release these hostages out of humanitarian reasons. that's the last thing on their mind. we believe that by beefing up the military pressure on hamas, as we have been doing,

expediting our military operations, hitting them hard, that sort of pressure can help movement on the hostage issue. combined with, of course, diplomatic pressure on hamas' allies in the region. they have to understand that their relationship with hamas is very, very problematic. they have to be under pressure to help solve problems they've helped create in the first place. >> go ahead, elise. >> ambassador, you cited the isis assault in mosul as an example, and that took over 200 days. do you -- does the israeli government see this as a long-term operation? and how do you contain civilian casualties when, save the children has reported that in three weeks, the number of children killed has been equivalent to every conflict in the world since 2019? >> i'm skeptical about all the numbers coming out of the gaza strip because they're all provided by the hamas-controlled

ministry of health. i don't deny -- >> with that caveat, there have been a lot of children killed. >> i have no doubt. unfortunately, there have been innocent civilians, including children, caught up in the cross-fire between us and hamas. we don't want to see it. our calls for civilians to leave areas of expected combat is a sign we don't want them caught up in the cross-fire. but, yeah, i'd like to tell you and everyone watching "morning joe" that we don't want to see a single civilian casualty, yes. but there hasn't been a war in recent history where there hasn't been civilians caught up in the cross-fire in conflict. even in the american effort to destroy isis, the successful effort, the just effort, we know there were civilian casualties in mosul. it's our obligation as a democratic society to keep those casualties as low as possible. that's what we are doing. that's one of the things we're talking about with the americans, how to make sure we hit hamas, destroy hamas, and at the same time, make a maximum

effort to avoid harming the civilian population. it is very difficult because hamas has the opposite goal. hamas wants to see civilian casualties. hamas has embedded itself in civilian areas. its military machine is under urban communities. its tunnels are under hospitals. this is an organization, like america and israel, our militaries are designed to protect our civilians. hamas inverted that. they use gaza civilians to protect their terror machine. >> senior adviser to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, mark regev, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we'll see you again soon. another topic we want to get to before we go to break that's related to this, we need to do a much bigger segment on, is the u.s. reaction here, especially on college campuses. cornell had a very scary situation. cornell is not alone, where jewish students are feeling isolated, to say the least,

scared for their lives. i'm not seeing a reaction to, like, the ukraine war or other things. this we talked about off camera. richard, what do you make of this? >> look, this is horrific. as you say, there's selective outrage here. where are the protests against all the people in yemen or ukraine or in iran? i'm not saying that everything israel has done has been perfect. obviously, it hasn't. there have been civilian casualties. but the hypocrisy of these reactions. second of all, where are the campus authorities? where are they protecting jewish students? if this were any other group, other minority on campus, would their reactions be the same way? come on, this is outrageous, what is going on. universities are failing educationally, and they are clearly failing in their obligations to provide -- to make students feel safe. we hear all this talk, mika, about safe spaces. well, what's happening on these campuses? we're not talking about people

who don't like reading that line in a book, you know, in "huckleberry finn." these have become truly unsafe spaces. kids are feeling pressure. they're feeling intimidated, physically threatened. there is something seriously wrong on our campuses. >> no question, elise, that we should differentiate. what is happening at cornell and other schools where students feel under threat, that is unforgivable. also, we have seen mass protests, peaceful largely, both in europe and here in the united states. a huge one in midtown. the brooklyn bridge was shut down over the weekend. people marching to the palestinian cause. we've had people, of course, marching for the israeli cause. it encapsulates how inflamed and delicate the situation is. >> if it is like that here, just think about the arab street and what we saw in the immediate aftermath of the war beginning. the potential that support for israel, what's going to happen to these different supportive governments? how can they balance their power and their grip on power with still, you know, supporting

their newish ally? >> there were some schools that really had an -- even the top tier, the presidents of the universities failed in their response. such a slow response. i know dartmouth had two really, really interesting panels that sort of showed a lot of different sides, which it is, it is a multi-faceted, confusing, long history of struggle situation. it requires a long conversation, and they were able to do it. but a lot of schools are getting caught up in the vitriol and instant reaction, and they're not responding as you think they would. there are a number of aivies tht didn't -- >> harvard. campuses, you're supposed to have the intellectual exchange, free speech. >> nothing against that. >> we're not seeing it. coming up, senator chris coons will join us live in studio on the heels of his recent trip to israel, as

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sending people running for their lives. >> there are multiple patients shot all the way down the block. >> reporter: moments later, victims in bloody halloween costumes receiving help from first responders. in all, two people were killed, 16 others injured. authorities say despite heavy police presence in the area, the shooting started after a fight broke out. >> people aren't hesitating to pull out guns and shoot. not only kill innocent individuals but hurt bystanders, as well. >> reporter: one of the two killed was emmett wilson's 14-year-old son. >> it's not the first time i lost a child. 2014, i lost a child. now 2023, and my baby boy, he's gone now from gun violence. >> reporter: police announcing 22-year-old tyrell phillips has been arrested and charged with second degree murder. gun violence erupting at halloween parties and other cities, as well, this weekend. in texarkana, texas, three were

killed and three others injured. indianapolis, one person killed and ten others injured. in chicago, 15 people shot at a halloween house party. tragedies overshadowing celebrations for one of america's favorite holidays. >> guad venegas with that report. we're also learning new details surrounding last week's mass shootings in maine, including what police knew about threats made by the gunman weeks before the attacks. nbc news correspondent kathy park has those details. >> reporter: growing questions about the mental health of mass shooting suspect robert card. law enforcement officials telling the "ap" they sent out an alert last month to be on the lookout for card after he made threats to shoot up an army reserve base in maine. adding, they couldn't locate him after stepped up patrols. >> they did obtain some mental health treatment, but i'm not sure to what extent. >> reporter: was he ever under your department's radar? >> that i'm not aware of. we had very few contacts.

>> reporter: now, we're learning the suspect tried purchasing a silencer months before the attack, matching the same caliber bullets used in the massacre. >> that's a ..308. that's what mr. card used when he was going through and shooting everybody. the military uses the .308 as a sniper rifle. you'd hunt moose, bear, big game. >> reporter: gun shop owner, rick, looked through his records. he says the distributor sent the silencer to the store, and card's approved application was transferred over by the federal government. the last layer of verification was this atf form. he wasn't given the silencer, but his guns weren't taken away. under maine law, that'd only happen if he was forcibly committed for mental health treatment. what would have happened if he had access to that silencer? >> well, that's the scary part. >> reporter: after days on edge,

maine's second largest city is taking steps toward healing. but breslin mcnear is hauted by stepping away for a meeting, leaving his father at schemengees bar and grill that night. what was the last memory you have of your dad? >> him smiling. me asking if he was all right. telling him i'd be right back. >> reporter: the tragedy also striking rob young, who lost two members of his family in one night. his brother, bill, and his 14-year-old nephew, aaron. >> i called my dad. texted him, hey, spare time is getting shot up. he says, i know, bill and aaron are there. >> reporter: the trauma for survivors like jennifer zenca is raw. she bares the scars, as the gunman's bullet tore her through the arm. >> it brings me back, a noise, or someone is talking to me and

all of a sudden, it comes. the picture of that guy. >> nbc's kathy park with that report. coming up, the new house speaker is promising aid for israel, but what about funding for ukraine? we're going to go through the latest comments there. we'll speak with democratic senator chris coons of delaware a week after his visit to israel where he met with prime minister netanyahu. "morning joe" is coming right back. new emergen-c crystals pop and fizz when you throw them back. and who doesn't love a good throwback? [sfx: video game] emergen-c crystals. this month join the new subway mvp rewards program and get rewarded. get 50% off any footlong when you join subway mvp rewards. so many all star options. it's just for subway mvps right?

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there are lots of things going on around the world that we have to address, and we will. right now, what's happening in israel takes the immediate attention. i think we've got to separate that and get it through. i believe there will be bipartisan support for that, and i'm going to push very hard for it. >> do you believe there will be bipartisan support in the

senate? will it pass muster there? >> i think it will. my intention is not to use this for partisan, political gamesmanship. this is a serious matter. >> speaker johnson says aid to israel will be considered on the house floor this week as a standalone measure. that's despite president biden's call for congress to provide a broader package that also includes aid to ukraine. before he was elected speaker, congressman johnson voted with 93 other republicans to cut off aid to ukraine. in an interview on fox news the day after he was sworn in, speaker johnson did emphasize the u.s. must stop russia's advances. joining us now, democratic member of the foreign relations committee, senator chris coons of delaware. he recently returned from a trip to israel and saudi arabia as part of a bipartisan senate delegation. great to have you back on the

show. we'll give the first question to david ignatius from washington. david? >> senator, after your trip, would you describe the balance of the biden administration policies? we've heard strong support for israel. president biden's powerful embrace of israel after the tragedy of october 7. since then, we've heard increasingly calls for humanitarian pause, the civilian assistance. the second part of the question is, what we're talking with saudi arabia about, is there a chance they could be, in the future, part of a new way of governing gaza after hamas' military power is defeated? >> thanks for the questions. the bipartisan delegation went to the region to meet with the crown prince in saudi arabia, bin salman, and president sisi in egypt, to press them, what

could it look like on the other side? is there a path toward peace? is there any future plans for how gaza after hamas would be governed and organized? how to support with humanitarian relief the 2 million gazans who are trapped in gaza, and how to work together to try to secure the release of hostages. we met the senior israeli leaders to press many of the same concerns. your first question, david, was about the balance president biden is striking. until the middle of two international crises, both the conflict in ukraine and the conflict now in gaza, i am so grateful we have a seasoned and capable president with a balanced team around him. his forceful embrace of israel in the immediate aftermath by the brutal attack by hamas was the right thing to do. frankly, more than words, what mattered is moving two aircraft carrier battle groups to the region to deter iran and its proxies from expanding the war

from israel's strike on hamas. our president is calling for humanitarian relief, for the release of the hostages, and is working privately to accomplish that future goal of some two-state solution or a pathway toward peace. i'll remind you, prime minister netanyahu has not been a champion of a two-state solution. he's worked to undermine on the ground the conditions that might make that possible. there's some very difficult diplomatic and strategic work ahead of us, not just in the short term but the long term. >> sorry, katty kay. >> senator, can you talk a little about america's relationship with qatar? on the other side of this fighting, qataris are needed in the negotiations of hostage release. would you push them not to house the leadership of hamas any longer after this operation is over? >> as you say, our immediate concern is the release of

hostages. i've met with several families of hostages. as a parent myself, i can't imagine a more painful circumstance than not knowing whether your child is dead or alive, whether they're in a cage in tunnel underneath gaza or whether they're already dead. the qataris are helpful in this regard, but they have to re-examine their relationship with hamas. they're not a governing party or resistance movement. they're terrorists of the most brutal type. in the same way we are largely successful in isolating isis from the majority of the muslim world, we need to engage in a similar campaign now against hamas, given what they carried out just two weeks ago. >> senator, as noted, the president has given a full-throated public support to israel, but we know that, privately, quieter, behind the scenes, urged them to be careful, proceed cautiously. at this moment, as israeli tanks are on the border, was the message received by netanyahu?

is he listening? >> we'll see it unfold in the next days and weeks. this wasn't just private urging. we sent over to israel several or our seasoned military leaders who had the experience of leading the attack on mosul. when we retook mosul after isis fully occupied it, that was a nine-month, grueling urban campaign. we also sent over folks who were involved in the fight in fallujah and iraq, which was, in both cases, these were very difficult campaigns. the united states has recent, relevant experience. it is my hope that the military leaders and the political leaders in israel are listening. hamas isn't going anywhere. they can't leave gaza. they have them completely surrounded. they have no source of resupply. israel has the chance to take humanitarian pauses to allow for hostage release and allow for negotiations, as well as to target and focus on eliminating the most important and lethal

capabilities that hamas has buried underneath gaza city. >> senator, i want to talk about the saudi arabia leg of your trip. how is this -- what's seen going on, the pictures that al jazeera is running in saudi arabia, how does this affect mohammed bin salman's campaign? are you more likely now to approve a security treaty with saudi arabia, a nuclear deal with saudi arabia? can you say a little about that? >> all of that was going to be difficult in the first place. most democrats were going to press for a genuine path toward a two-state solution and the genuine inclusion of the palestinians and their concerns in any treaty or any final arrangement between the united states, israel, and saudi. of course, the concerns about the security, the ability to manage and control nuclear enrichment that would be shared with saudi arabia is also on the table. at this point, obviously, the crown prince is not popularly

elected so is not as concerned, perhaps, as the street, as those who face regular elections. but this is a region without regular elections. i do think it is very hard for anyone who is in the leadership of saudi arabia, the nation that is home to the holiest sites of islam, to ignore the anger, the very widespread anger on the streets in their country, and the grave concerns of their palestinians and those who support them. i think this makes that pathway toward peace longer and narrower but not impossible. look, the reason hamas took this attack at this time with the support, training, and equipment of iran was to prevent a reconciliation between israel and saudi arabia. we cannot let hamas win. >> senator, unfortunately, the american public sometimes can only balance one foreign policy priority at a time. >> if that. >> if that. now, it seems to be israel. what about ukrainian funding? do you see that being a fight to get through congress? how important do you still see

what's happening there with russia, which russia seems to be the biggest beneficiary right now of this new conflict, because so much attention has turned from ukraine. >> well, in terms of our short-term attention in the public, that's correct, but the war in ukraine continues to grind on. tomorrow, on the appropriations committee, we will have a full hearing about the supplemental funding request president biden has sent us. my recent trip to the middle east makes me more confident than ever that we have to pass robust aid to ukraine to support them for another year, significant aid to israel. we also need to continue to invest in our counter-china initiatives. look, we need to be able to show the entire world we are a trustworthy and reliable ally, that we stick with the fights that we say we're going to support, and that we see the connections between iran and russia. iran is a critical military partner, both with hamas and with russia, in its aggression against ukraine. if the united states is to be the force for good i believe it

to be, we also have to include robust humanitarian aid in this package. that comes out of my subcommittee. there is a request for billions of dollars for the world food program, for other u.n. agencies that help with refugees, that help with palestinians, that help the ukrainians, and that help fight hunger and famine, which leads to instability across dozens of other countries. it's critical we adopt a robust supplemental package. >> chris coons of delaware, thank you very much. it's always good to see you. thanks for coming in. so the state department will honor five u.s. companies today, which it says are playing a, quote, crucial role in elevating global standards of business conduct. among them is google, which is being honored in the women's economic security category for its work to support women's tech initiatives in poland and across eastern europe. joining us now, google's director for central and eastern

europe and transatlantic public policy, marta pozlad. and i think i know this person. i don't know. the united states ambassador to poland, mark brzezinski. >> mika. [ speaking a global language ] >> i'll bow out. jonathan lemire? >> i don't know how you got by security, mr. ambassador. we want to talk about pressing world issues at the moment, but let's talk about this award. tell me what it means and talk about why google and others are being honored. >> jonathan, you know, this award falls under the rubric that a collective response is the most effective response. it is important for the private sector to be involved in america's challenges and advancing our values abroad, and that is what google polska or google poland has been doing in

poland. it's been helping ukrainian women who are refugees in poland to develop and re-engage their lives. they have generously embraced those in poland, which amounts to millions of people embraced by that country to help them get a new start. that's the kind of thing that secretary of state blinken is celebrated with the corporate award for excellence, and, frankly, it's a model being advanced by so many companies, american and polish in poland, whether it's uber, amazon, hilton hotels, or even a small group of truckers like nurses doing all they can to help people who can't help themselves. >> katty. >> can you give us any individual stories, particularly of women? i think it was like 15 million

have crossed from ukraine through poland. give us a couple of the individual stories you've helped and could this be a modelle used to help refugees in other areas of the world? >> thanks so much for having me on the show and giving me the opportunity to tell you about these stories. indeed, existing projects get very challenging at the time of war, and poland over the last couple of years have become very brave for women who leave their homes and look for new life, very often in poland, and they took advantage of a number of programs google offered. we're very humbled to see 2,500 ukrainian women take on the task and get their certificates and increase their job qualifications and find themselves in a completely new job market. we support a ukrainian fund where half of the startups were

female-funded. these are the great stories of women like the leader of an ai program. another example is a woman who runs a platform that connects people in need with licensed therapists. thanks to the scale google provided, this platform can serve millions of people globally today >> ambassador brzezinski, you had a center left leader donald tuss lead right-ruling parties. talk about that. it seems like a big deal. >> more broadly, significant for america. what happened is a democratic

mobilization of the people to express their voice through their vote. it was the highest turnout in terms of voters in modern polish history, and donald tusk, a former president of the european council, his coalition won, and the strategic opportunity you point to, david, is clear. in a creation of a new government, poland could renew its ties with the euro people union, germany, and even ukraine in one single act because ties between poland and those countries have become prickly recently, and so it is a real strategic opportunity also for america. you know, david, we have thousands of american soldiers in poland. one of the weak links was the relationship between poland and

the european nation and poland and our neighbors. >> we're ending the second fighting season of the war and, quite honestly, it looks like something close to being a stalemate. poland has been on the front lines. you've got millions of refugees. what is the sense of the mood and is patience at all wearing thin? as we move toward a third year of fighting, what -- where's the center of polish society and where do you think the new government will come out? >> well, polish society -- a majority of poles support embracing the refugees and continuing to support them, but that support is slowly diminishing. but i think president biden has initiated a really smart strategic move by appointing a special envoy to begin to think about the recovery and rebuilding of ukraine. that's former secretary of

commerce penny pritzker because, yes, the war continues, but the strategic opportunity when ukrainians win or even before is to begin to rebuild ukraine so it is, as secretary blinken put it, so it doesn't just survive but thrive. it's part of europe's logistics chains and part of the context. that thinking has already begun, and rebuilding ukraine will not be just an american problem. it's an international problem, and it's good that secretary prisker is getting in front of that. >> congratulations. could you talk about why these are so important in poland? >> women's empowerment is something that needs to be nudged along. president biden has been clear.

three words. america embraces equality. everyone must be included and a country is stronger when everyone is included. and there is no catalyst to advance things immediately and quickly like the private sector, and the american private sector footprint has been celebrated with google. it's been super proactive about that to the benefit of women and girls all across poland. >> and marta, how have you seen the transformation with the women you've worked with in poland? >> google has been in poland for over 17 years and we always consider them to be a very open entrepreneur with talent. we're excited to offer all the programs to date going further. look, it starts with our own workplace. googlers across the world having

been empowered in their own careers really understand there's more to do for others, and this award speaks to the relationship between poland and the u.s. but also the partnership between the u.s. and europe. and sharing common values means there's so much more we can do across both sides and continue to be the world's closest allies. >> u.n. ambassador of mark brzezinski. >> thank you. >> thank you as well. still ahead donald trump is maintaining his place atop the

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united states has been very focused on a core challenge here, which is hamas is using humans as human shields. they're hiding behind them, putting rockets and other structures in the area. that creates an added burden to israeli defense but it does not lessen their ability to protect people. that's true from striking in the air and going from the ground. that's something we talk about with the israelis on a daily basis. >> national security adviser jake sullivan on the responsibility of israeli forces as its troops are moving farther into gaza this morning days into the ground operation.

we'll get the latest in a live report from the gaza border. plus, what the new speaker of the house is saying about aid packages for israel and ukraine and how soon the funding could pass in the lower chamber. also ahead, there's much more to report on donald trump's latest legal issues. he's back under a gag order in his federal elections case, and his oldest children are likely to testify in his civil fraud trial later this week. and we'll look at the state of the republican presidential primary now that former vice president mike pence is out of the race. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it's monday, october 30th. you all know it's halloween tomorrow, right? are you ready? have you got your costumes ready? we have the host of "way too early," jonathan lemire. former aide to the white house didn't's elise jordan, and

president emeritus of the foreign relations richard haass is with us this morning. also with us special correspondent for the bbc katty kay begins with us. we begin this morning with israel expanding its ground invasion in gaza. benjamin netanyahu announced israel is in its second phase of the ground assault on destroying gaza. the operation began overnight friday with an intense wave of air strikes and ground raids. at the same time phone and internet service was severed, leaving the vast majority of gaza cut off from each other and from the outside world. those services spontaneously resumed early on sunday. israeli defense forces say they've been targeting hamas' network of underground tunnels.

this morning israelis announced they killed dozens of terrorists and destroyed depots and weapons. there's a call for a cease-fire or humanitarian pause. the white house says president biden spoke to netanyahu about the mission over the weekend. biden reiterated israel's right to protect itself but asked the country to prioritize protecting civilians. joining us from the israel/gaza border chief correspondent richard engel. richard? >> reporter: there is a ground force operation intensifying. there was a blitz of israeli troops and tanks going in, many reservists, and many say they've

seen elite israeli troops. bulldozers, tanks, armored personnel, dismounted troops walking in, much of it focused in the area on the northern gaza strip, which you can see behind me. there's been fighting going on this morning, and there do seem to be clashes. we've seen israeli troops firing and israeli troops coming under fire apparently from hamas. we're now talking about a phase of street to street-fighting. we have also just heard from witnesses that israeli tanks, according to witnesses, are on the main road, which runs from the north to the south of the gaza strip. that would make it impossible or at least very difficult for palestinians to follow israeli orders to go from the north, to go from the south. israel has repeated those orders with greater urgency, dropping leaflets, telling people to immediately leave gaza city,

leave all the areas in the north to come out with their hands up, to carry white flags if possible, and to head south. but now with these reports of israeli troops cutting that road, it makes that mission far more complicated, far more dangerous if not impossible. >> let's talk about biden's plea to slow this down. humanitarian pause. what about the civilians? we've seen a lot oven social media. i'm not sure what can be corroborated, but there's going to be a lot of suffering if there isn't a lot of pause. what are you hearing on the ground? >> so with the power and internet restored, we were able to talk to our teams directly in gaza, so we're not relying on social media, we're not relying on statements only from the israeli army or from hamas certainly. there are many civilians who are still in gaza, many civilians who are in harm's way, many

civilians sheltering in hospitals, hospitals that say they've received orders to evacuate because israel says that they are hamas command centers and doctors say they cannot evacuate because they're providing services for hundreds of thousands of people who need them more than ever. there are also many accusations that hamas is holding peept deliberately as human shields, but our crews have not seep any evidence of hamas roadblocks or any evidence that hamas is forcibly keeping people inside of buildings. what they have seen are many terrified residents who don't know where to go, who don't believe moving on the roads allows them to stay where they are or allow any greater degree of safety than staying put. >> nbc chief correspondent richard engel. and despite israel's ground

invasion, it appears hostage negotiations with hamas are continuing within all this. sources tell "the wall street journal" talks are ongoing with qatar mediating but progressing at a slower pace. israeli officials believe the ground assault will put pressure on hamas to release the more than 200 hostages they have taken. but before the ground invasion, talks had ceased. there was a breakdown after hamas refused to allow fuel inside gaza and refused to release hostages. only four have been released so far. joining us now international correspondent keir simmons. what can you tell us about the state of the hostages and any hope for their release. >> we've been told there are

real hopes overnight thursday into friday that these talks might lead to a humanitarian port. in fact, john kirby at the white house said on friday the white house was in favor of a humanitarian pause in order to get aid in, he said, and to get people out, but then on friday morning those talks stalled. as you mentioned, a former u.n. official with the talks said that hamas mass been insistent on receiving fuel while israeli and the u.s. side wanted a large amount f o their hostages being released. meanwhile a diplomat with knowledge of the talks described how talks are going very, very well on thursday and they were hoping for a deal to go on over

the weekend and then early friday led to the talks stalling. that diplomat as you mentioned saying the talks are ongoing. hamas officials -- there's a lots of rhetoric now in public. a hamas official is telling nbc news we won't negotiate while our puig are being slaughtered, while israeli officials say if you put pressure on hamas through this military operation, that's the best way to get them to negotiate. and other officials telling israeli media hamas was trying to negotiation to avoid a ground invasion. there are signs -- a lot is being said in public at this point. jake sullivan just said yesterday on u.s. tv talking again about humanitarian ports. there are signs that those negotiations continue. again, israeli media reporting that benjamin netanyahu, the

israeli prime minister has said that one of their considerations, calculations is whether or not some kind of a deal for israeli prisoners in exchange for -- hamas prisoners in israel for exchange in hostages might be a possibility, and hamas yesterday on its telegram site suggested that that is something they are demanding. so trust was evacuated on friday, and many aid agencies tell me that in order to get a large-scale hostage release, you do need a lot of trust and you do need humanitarian pause, and at this stage clearly the emphasis is on the military operation by is reeling. >> nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. thank you. of course, if they send fuel in, perhaps hamas will use it as part of their war machine. we have the hostages and the

scene in gaza all leads to a wider war. first let's talk about biden's plea. we'll get to the front page of "the new york times" in just a moment which is just up believable in terms of lack of readiness and savagery on behalf of israel. you're writing in the "financial times" israel needs to discontinue extinguish between hamas and the people of gaza. that subtle matly the way there is a long-term strategy, p is thereto not, and how do they do that? >> israel has been given support for the right of self-defense. >> that's true. >> with regard to warnings, you have to be careful about the safety of civilians, keep open the two-state solution, and it's

all been friendly advice. the question is has israel been heeding it? i would say not so much. there's always real tension between the operation and civilian casualties. is it smart? is it necessary? is it consistent with the u.s. interests? not so much. you're going to see the differences. netanyahu wants to do something extraordinary and dramatic, i destroy hamas, eliminate hamas. there are a lot of people -- i'm one of them -- who don't think that's doable. not that it's not desirable. they think the nature of the target doesn't lend itself to that. they think in the process they'll see thousands and thousands of civilians killed. they see that israel has other

options. why not do much more on strengthening defenses? october 7th should have never happened. >> it should have never. this is just incredible and stunning israeli was flatfooted on this. i thought we lead -- especially since 9/11 -- in terms of security. >> there was the intelligence and defense who didn't analyze it. >> president biden spoke to benjamin netanyahu over the weekend. reports this morning, israeli tanks on the edge of gaza city, including cutting off access to a road that they urged gaza civilians to use to evacuate. it's unclear whether they're about to go

of perhaps you can circle it and have more of a cease mentality. i know as part of the former bush administration, you know a few things about combat. what are the next few days going to look like, siegesuinvaon? >> it seems to me siege is happening already and it's impossible for most civilians to get out. so this situation -- i can't think of a good swachlgts it's been so restricted they can't get out. they're toad to flee and they can't. there were some who said fallujah, different war scenarios we've had over the past 20 years. you look awe now we're on such war footing and moving so many assets over the region. what do you make of that,

richard, that we're seeing that? >> people forget, we saw thorss of forces across the ground during counterterrorism efforts supporting the iraqi forces. they're trying to push back against iraqi influence. iran has a lot of -- i think there's one thing you said, jonathan. israel has other options. yes, there's the idea of siege and ground invasion. they can also do things that are much more. they can build up their defenses against gaza on the other side of the israeli border. they can relate their own for a mile or two. the idea that gaza has to dig on the ground or from the air, i would say, no, that's an option.

they have an opportunity to respond, but how they respond has to do with choice. they've got a big menu of options. i would say at the moment, they're going in extremely big, and there's a lot of observers in israel and here who worry about the frmtd who do you hand over political authority? >> that's the question. >> imagine you were successful against hamas? what then? i have yet to hear an answer. >> is it the united nations? where is the rest of the world on this, katty kay? for richard, i actually think he's talk. you have it in a very clear and full-throated way, but can israel do it alone with just the u.s. standing by its side

unequivocally with no contingencies, and where is everybody else? >>. p it suggests there is a growing ice legislation of israel and the u.s. an its relationship with israel. there wither was a security council resolution that put 14 countries in favor of a cease-fire and -- in favor of not having a cease-fire, and then you see the international criminal court going to the region saying is reeling may be in violation of law if it doesn't act. the question is the degree to which the u.s. can afoimd to stand solidly by them to bans different power struggles. who takes over is pretty clear.

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so it's going to be about retribution. he's a very petty man. it's all about him. and he's a very -- has a very fragile ego and something happened to him as a kid.

i'm not going to spend time psycho analyzing it, but everyone counter, he has to come out showing the other guy he's better. it's all about the assertion of his ego, and i think he will be self-indulgent with the new administration and won't be as effective as he could otherwise be, and probably things would start moving toward chaos. >> there ooh is a lot there. former u.s. attorney general bill barr continues to war about what a second presidency for donald trump could mean for america. trump respoedy attacks his former attorney general on social media just as the attorney general started describing his behavior. he then started carrying out that behavior. some wondered if that rant would be considering a violation of the newly reinstated gag order

in the federal election interferences case brought by special counsel jack smith. u.s. district judge tanya chutkan lifted the temporary hold that was placed earlier this month at the request of prosecutors but was paused after of sigs from the trump team. the former president reacted to the news on his truth social page writing inpart, it illegally and unconstitutionally takes away from my first amendment right of free speech in the middling of my run for president. he didn't have to be there, but i think personally my analysis is that has to do with his money and his money being taken away from him and he just can't stand not being there, but he keeps putting his foot in his mouth there. >> he does have to be there a week from today. >> to testify. >> but his adult children are

going to be there between now and then. you're right. his campaign has been pretty clear about this. it's two things at once. it's about hitting him close to home, it's about his money. he wants to defend the wealth of his business. at the end, he's not going to be as wealthy. this is his campaign right now. he's fighting against persecution. >> he's pretending he has to be there. he doesn't have to be there. >> but donald trump pretends/lies about everything. he's suggesting he's a victim, he a is being made to be there even though he doesn't have to be there. it connects with all of his followers. they're all out to get me. and there's a thought if he's in the courtroom now for a civil case, it will desensitize -- de-senty advise his program. >> i believe it has to do with

his money. it's money, it's power, it's press, it's headlines, but this is attacking his money. he could be anywhere. by the way, he sort of was campaigning this weekend but his head was still obviously somewhere else because he went to iowa but kept getting the name of the town wrong. let's see what george conway says about this. am i wrong in my analysis that he's showing up at his civil fraud trial a lot because this one gets him where it really hurts? >> yes, i fundamentally agree with it. in a way, it's even more fundamental. this puts him out of business. this case is putting him out of base. >> it's money. >> yeah, absolutely. he's terrified he's not going to have the trump tower and all the things he's bragged about for decades for his 60 -- you know,

for six decades, that it's go ing to be gone and he won't be able to run a business. the question is how much money is he going to be alo ued to keep from that, and that to him is striking at the core of donald trump. >> ran don question. when you're fined $10,000 by a judge, do you have to give the money the next day? do you pay on time? put it on a credit card? how does that work? >> i think it was reported in the news media, a check was written on behalf of donald trump and submitted to the client protection fund, whatever is required in new york. he has paid that. obviously at this point it's just symbolic and trivial to donald trump at this point. but the fact is after a while, you know, if he keeps engaging in this conduct, attacking the judge and his law clerk, he

could actually be sent to the tombs or somewhere, you know, or the main jail in new york city. we'll see how that goes. >> i'm not sure. how would you put a former president in lockup in new york city with secret service? the reason i ask about the money is because i'm not sure how possible that is. maybe they could put him at -- tell him to stay home or something. but the question is could the fines get bigger and beggar and bigger as he misbehaves? >> yes. the fines can get bigger and bigger. one method that has been used in the past that's enforced criminal contempt sanctions or civil contempt sanctions is to keep increasing the fines geometrically, you know, $1,000, $10,000, $100,000, and justice em ron could keep ramping those figures up. he certainly has the rod record to do that, basically having had

trump violate the order multiple times under the judge's nose in the courthouse. so this week several members of the trump family will be taking the stand in the $250 million trial against the former president and his company. the attorney general's office plan onning them. donald trump jr. will teff on wednesday, eric trump on thursday, ivanka trump on friday, and donald trump will testify on monday. trump will be their final witness. meanwhile trump has not let up on the judge. on his truth social page he called the judge crazy and corrupt. george, a couple of -- i mean there are so many questions

here, but procedurally, first of all, can they not show up for some reason, the family members, and if they do, can they plead the fifth and not answer questions or do they have to show up and do they have to answer questions? >> they have to show up, but they can the take the fifth amendment. they're being subpoenaed. they're being called hostile witnesses, witnesses not cooperating with the plaintiff, the plaintiff here being the state of new york, and they have to show up because they'll be under court oert to show up and they can be held in cob tempt if they sly lace that order. they can take the fifth, and that's going to be the interesting question to me. how do they handle this? eric trump according to the final papers pleaded the fifth amendment over 500 times in his civil deposition in one day in

this case. donald trump sr. -- >> what about -- >> the fact of the matter is because it's a civil case, the invocation of the fifth amendment can be used the to draw a negative inference against the defendant. a court or try ore f fact or judge or jury can conclude he's not answering that question because he committed fraud or lied previously. >> so it is an answer. >> right. you can't make that in frens in a criminal kasem one of the reasons this case is so darmgs is the assertion of fifth amendment, and donald trump asserted it over 440 times in this case. that can be used against the defendant to allow the trier of the faint. which was included on the summary judgment. >> this is a case, elise, where

in some ways the case is already over, the judge made his decision. >> i was wondering. there's so much with donald trump committing -- if anything else did it, like there was talk about violating orders, they would get in a huge heap of trouble, but donald trump doesn't. i'm asking you, george, what if donald trump doesn't get punished in this trial. what happens with his current position? do you think he'll go ahead and forward documents or any plethora he has? what do you see unfolding? >> i think the other cases are much more dangerous. this case. he may have to lick question dade his properties and no

longer be able to do business in new york or elsewhere, but the other cases, he'll end up spending the rest of his life in prison about as a result of the classified documents case and as a result of the january 6th case. together, i think he's going to be found guilty in both cases. even if he's found guilty in a few cases, he could be sentencing to prison for the neglect eight years. >> i totally agree, but u want to stay focused on the several trial in new york because it seems, george conway -- i don't know. you let me know -- like they're moving right along. it's like they've got a schedule and after the kids testify and trump testifies, they're wrapping this up. while in other cases, it's

trump, delay, delay, delay, delay every step of the way if they can with tons of different interruptions. this one seems to be moving quickly, and, again, the judge already's decided, right? reliable of massive fraud, and what's being decided here is exactly what the penalty is going to be, how expensive it's going to be for dump, which makes this rudeness in court and his truth social post beyond stupid because all of that impacts how the judge people about the indicate. if he is given a large penalty, does he have to pay it immediately like the smaller ones? >> well, one of the things we could do, he can ask for a stay of the judgment. he got a stay of the part of the judgment that has been issued already with respect to the

cancellation of his right to do business in the state of new york. and what you can do if you are, you know, a defendant and you've been hit by a big judgment in a civil case, you know, lower court, is you can post a large bond equivalent to whatever the damages are or whatever the restitution is or whatever they're going to call it. you could post a bond and that would suspend the collection of the judgment pending the appeal. but the fact is it's still going to be devastating to him because no one -- who's going to lend him money? who's going to do business with him, a man who is basically subject to this uncertainty. just the embarrassment of the judgment. again, he's going to have to end up selling to address this judgment, and he's not going to like it. >> george conway, thank you very much. that's something we can agree on. coming up, brand-new nbc

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his verbal skills are limited. if you get him away from very, very, very, you know, the adjective -- they're unfamiliar to him. they sort of spill out and he

goes too far. he's not very disciplined when it comes to what he says. >> quote, his verbal skills are limited. donald trump's former attorney general bill barr, what he says about his former boss right there and right on cue just days after mixing up the leaders of hungary and turkey. he incorrectly said hungary shares the border with russia. and here's roy he said last week followed by his comments yesterday. >> viktor orban did everything -- has anyone heard of him? one of the strongest leaders of anywhere in the world. he's the leader of turkey. we're very close to world war iii, and we will prevent it. i know all the players. i know the players. i know the good ones, the bad ones, the weak ones. viktor orban. anybody ever heard of him? he's the head of hungary that

borders both ukraine and russia. >> what worries me about the fact that he got things wrong, that is his model for american liberal democracy, that if he were to come back, that's the person he would fashion himself after, and that would give people reason to pause. >> and the people in the audience, no pause. >> during that same speech he appeared to have forgotten what state he was in, sioux falls. he was actually speaking from sioux city, iowa. >> well, thank you very much. a very big hello to a place where we've done very well, sioux falls, thank you very much, sioux falls. sorry, sioux city. let me ask you, how many people

come from sioux city? >> i mean, katty kay, we've come to accept this from donald trump. he has sort of the really, really flip relationship with the truth and facts, and i'm just speaking a fact. i'm not trying to be -- i'll be accused of being nasty, but that's just the truth. if this was joe biden, what networks would be on a loop right now playing it and then talking about it, perhaps having a doctor on about his mental acuity. there's such a disconnect in reality here in terms of the two front-runners for president. >> look, we have two candidates running for president who are likely to be the nominees of parties who are older than most americans are comfortable with. joe biden gets a lot of attention for his age and a lot of scrutiny, which is very damaging in the polls, which is

why he now has a primary challenger, which probably wouldn't be. it's a real concern. donald trump has shown he, too, is a man who's nearing 80, and maybe that is his age that's coming into play. at the moment it doesn't seem to be impacting him with his supporters, but age has a way -- we've seen this, mika, you and me, with parents. it catches up on them. hit's see how the stress of a campaign, the stress of very intense legal suits against him affect his health and his mental acuity and his stamina over the course of the next year. i think just because it's not having an impact on him in a moment, it will be a year out, a year more trials, and, frankly, a year more age, and that makes a difference. coming up, we mentioned that brand-new polling from iowa. steve kornacki will break down the state of the race. that's straight ahead on "morning joe." ."

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welcome back. last week i had the honor of celebrating the incredible women who maybe the forbes know your value 500, doing their most impactful work at we were joined by many of the list's honorees, including former super model kathy ireland, astronaut may jemmison, ak activist suze orman.

the founder of the company food brand patty's good life has no plans of slowing down any time soon. take a look. >> this is an honor. i'm blown away by being in your presence, miss patti labelle. i want to ask you, when you were in your teens, 20s, late 20s, did you imagine your career after the age of 50? >> no. no. as you said earlier, i'm 79 years young. over 50, i said, girl, you might be home cooking in your kitchen doing no nothing, no anything. but here i am at this young age

doing what i do. >> you are cooking. >> i'm cooking my face off. i'm cooking and i'm doing all that good stuff. >> do you have a most 50 over 50 accomplishment you are most proud of? something that happened in your life over the age of 50? >> i am still performing. most people say, do you still work? i never stopped working. i work every day. we are on tour at least nine months of the year. lately, i've been doing sellout houses, thank god. people are in the audience. [ applause ] >> i'm going to try with patti labelle rapid fire. do you know what that is? i say something, you say something. but it's quick. best dish you make. >> pasta. with everything in it. different things. >> most joy, cooking or singing? >> singing.

>> one person you haven't cooked for but want to. >> president obama. >> you might want to -- >> kicked for his wife but i didn't cook for him. it's true. >> we will work on that. the first word that comes to your mind when i say retirement. >> hell no. two words. >> aging. >> fabulous. >> 50 over 50. >> just the best. it's the best. >> when you think of the power of women, what comes to mind? >> phenomenal. we can change the world. we can make things peaceful. we need peace in the world. we women have to get together and kick ass. >> yes. >> make it a better place. [ applause ] >> she was amazing. let's bring in editor of "forbes" maggie mcgrath and huma

abadine and elise jordan. it was so good. patti labelle had the crowd going wild. she was captivating. she dished a lot. what struck you the most about her story? >> she know her way with an audience. what strikes me is she's the embodiment of what it means to know your value. you heard her say it. i know i can cook my face off. any time she talks about why she started patti's good life, it's because she had confident people would want to eat her food. it's the confidence since the 1970. she would cook for other musicians. she would bring food to the spectrum. she would write her name on the lids so no one would mistake her food for the catered stuff. she's an expert. >> she was branding. >> she's an expert in branding. >> elton john, she was like, he played piano for me. stop right there.

can we stop right there? >> you gave remarks and you said this year's title, the age of disruption, was pretty apt. >> look, it's clear to all of us that this is a disruptive time in our world. we are going through a global trauma of sorts. it felt all the more important to celebrate and honor women who are above the age of 50 who are doing just -- they are doing extraordinary things. women like patti labelle, who is a legend. they are women who are not seen in the same way. women like adrian kennedy who had her broadway debut at 91. fani willis who we know is changing the course of history in georgia. my personal favorite was auka joshi. she came to the lunch. he was struck -- maggie, congrats on getting so many of the women in the room to

celebrate. she published her debut novel at 62. it became a global phenomenon. the importance of not just honoring the women we know, the legends, but shining a light on some of these extraordinary women who are showing us the way forward. >> a room with so much talent and confidence. it was fabulous. we made a big announcement about our 30/50 summit. tell us about it. >> we are looking forward to be in abu dhabi. frankly, it feels like there is no more appropriate a place than now to have that conversation in that part of the world where so much is happening. the thing we have been able to do together is bringing women from different generations, different perspectives, different points of view in the world and learning from each other and being in community together. we have talked about this. if there's going to be peace in the world, it will include women at the table. >> we have the most amazing

networking at this event. people land deals. they walk away with financing for things. it's real. i was in the elevator of the last one, there was a young woman and she's like, my god, i'm going to be late for networking. that used to be a nightmare word for me. no. she was so excited to go there. that was a good sign of a good event. we are taking nominations for our global list. what lists are -- how much time do people have, how is it going? >> we are looking for nominees for the 50 over 50 asia list. if you know a woman over 50 who is stepping into her power and lives primarily in europe, middle east, asia or africa, go to forbes.com to nominate her. you have until december 10th. it's about the quality of the

nomination, not quantity. if you nominate yourself 100 times, we don't count it like that. >> you can't be 49 1/2. how many times do we need to say it? >> 1972 is our cutoff. wait a few more years. go to forbes.com. >> it was such a great lunch. i love working with you guys. more to come. you can get more information about the nominations process and our upcoming 30/50 summit in abu dhabi at knowyourvalue.com. we will return live to the israel/gaza border for the latest from nbc's richard engel. we will have live reporting from southern lebanon as hezbollah appears to be expanding its range of attacks into israel. we are back in two minutes. 20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch.

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how many times has he been up at a speech where he will say the wrong statement? he will get up. it's great to be in the wonderful state of ohio. sir, sir, you are in florida. if he is in pennsylvania, it's wonderful to be in the state of delaware. what is wrong with this guy? what's wrong with him? there's something wrong. once that happens, you might as well leave the stage because it's a disaster. we're in north carolina. it's great to be in idaho. no, you are in iowa. florida, no it's ohio. i've never seen -- i haven't done that yet. that's a disaster. jim jordan, if you do that, it's over. right? you could be winston churchill, the speech is over. thank you very much. very big hello to a place where we have done very well, souix falls, thank you very much.

so how many people come from souix city? >> he did exactly what he made fun of biden doing. everything continues to be projection or confession with him. completely misunderstanding where exactly he was. welcome to the fourth hour "morning joe." it's 9:00 a.m. in the east. jonathan lemire and elise jordan are back with us. israeli troops are pushing deeper into northern and central gaza. over the weekend, benjamin netanyahu announced to the country it is entering its second phase of the war. launching a ground invasion, despite growing international calls for humanitarian pauses. joining us now, richard engel with the very latest. richard?

>> reporter: all weekend and all morning, we have been watching this offensive escalate. we have been seeing israeli tanks and troops going in with bulldozers, crossing into a no man's land and going into the built-up areas. we are entering a phase that if street fighting hasn't begun, it will begin very soon. already, palestinian militant groups saying they are fighting back. we are starting to see the intense phase of the gaza war. it's a phase that israel says is open-ended. the israeli military is driving deeper into gaza this morning, in a war the government promises will be long and difficult. from just outside gaza, our cameras can see columns of tanks moving in and armored bulldozers to make paths for you are began fighting. parts of northern gaza are being

razed to the ground. at night, israel is using bombs so powerful, they shake buildings for miles around. deep, penetrating strikes, to collapse hamas tunnels. in the daylight, we can see what we normally can only hear, israeli drones. in gaza, the internet and power have been partially restored so our crew can show us life inside. gaza city is being devastated. the humming you hear are those drones. palestinians call them mosquitos. israeli officials have described this operation as payback, after hamas butchered more than 1,400 israelis and took, by the latest count, 239 hostages. last week, we watched a 14-year-old rescued from under her apartment. taken to a hospital and treated on the floor. we found her again.

she says four members of her family were killed in that strike. they had moved south followed israeli orders when they were hit. they told us to go to the south valley, she says. we went to my aunt's house where they bombed us while we were baking bread and we were about to eat. the israeli military has laid out three military goals. to disarm hamas, remove it from power in gaza and free the hostages, a mission that could take years. each new palestinian death carries a risk of emboldening israel's enemies, isolating its friends and inflaming old hatreds. in rrussia,hunting for an incoming flight from tel aviv searching for jews. >> this strategy, what is israel's ultimate end game here? i don't see this adding up to

anything but war and more war and a wider war. >> reporter: you don't hear many voices like that in israel right now, because this country is still angry. it's seeking revenge. there are some with, i would say, cooler heads. you are starting to hear their voices emerge inside and outside of israel. they are looking at history. they say this country and the middle east have been through many wars for decades. yet, the fundamental problems remain. the fundamental problems of palestinians, what to do about palestinian rights, what to do with the 2 million palestinians who live inside gaza, which is effectively a large prison, and who are now under attack. will bombing them make them any more moderate? will it just produce even more radical groups? there are real questions about if this military operation will achieve that goal of driving hamas from power, or will it

enter a new cycle of violence that is largely domestic, helps netanyahu show deterrence, save his own political career, and that there could be alternative ways to go after hamas leaders, take their time, use special forces? very difficult questions. as this goes on and as the risks escalate, you are starting to hear people questioning the wisdom of a mass ground operation and getting deeper and deeper into what could be a very, very long campaign in one of the most difficult places in the world to fight. >> richard, it's jonathan. the front page of the "new york times" has a damning look at the intelligence failures that allowed october 7th to happen. the headline "missed signals." give us a sense as to what the status is in israel about looking backwards, trying to piece together how things could have gone so wrong on october 7th.

has that been put on pause as the assault picks up? is that something that is going to be re-visited? could it endanger netanyahu? >> reporter: war is politics by other means. it has not been put on hold. it was put on hold in the first few days when people were in shock and horror and trying to figure out where their loved ones are. now that shock is turning into anger. a lot of that anger is directed at the prime minister, netanyahu. still refusing to accept any failures. the official line that he has put out is, yes, we will all answer those difficult questions when the war is over. but this is an open-ended campaign. when the prime minister made the announcement to say that this was happening, that the israelis were going in, as soon as he announced the start of phase two, he was savaged by israeli press. he has not been taking very many questions. all the questions were not directed so much about the tanks and troop movement. they were directed at him, how

he made this happen, should he resign, where will this go, what are we getting into? what about the hostages who are still inside, more than 230 of them? these are big questions that i think now are starting to be explored with slightly more sober minds. >> richard engel, thank you very much. the hezbollah terror group lurks to israel's north. let's bring in nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley live from right near the israel/lebanon border. matt, you say the shelling there in southern lebanon is the heaviest since the conflict began? >> reporter: well, it sounds like it is from where we are. i can't say this is the heaviest fighting we have seen because we are not on border. from where we are, we had front row seats to a horrific display

of what sounds like and what actually yesterday felt like -- we could feel the concussive burst of some of the bombs incoming and outgoing. it was staccato, all the time, all day long. today has been relatively quiet. we have been hearing this escalating for the past three weeks. yesterday, as i said, it was absolutely deafening and all day long. we heard from hezbollah, this dominant military group -- paramilitary group. the israelis have been evacuating the region that's a buffer zone between the lebanese border and some of the more populated areas. they evacuated this town -- city of 20,000 people. it's one of the largest areas, one of the largest areareas. yesterday, hezbollah announced they struck it. they hit a residential building that caught on fire. that town had been evacuated.

nobody was hurt or killed. it goes to show that hezbollah is expanding its footprint of attacks deeper and deeper into northern israel. all of this is happening as it looks as though both sides are still -- there's an m.o. where both sides can attack each other but at the same time, they don't break out into an all-out war. more than 50 hezbollah fighters have been killed. it hasn't broken out into all-out fighting. the big question for everybody is, what's going to happen with hezbollah? are they going to be attacking? we heard from the leader of hezbollah. he will speak on friday. we might know then. >> we will possibly find out. matt bradley, thank you very much. let's bring in former supreme allied commander of nato, retired four star navy admiral james stavridis.

>> what's clear from a military perspective is that they have made a choice in how to conduct this campaign. instead of, if you will, a shock and awe, level the entire gaza city, flow 150,000 troops in, they are taking a methodical approach. think of a boa constrictor coming in and surrounding go saturday. what that means in practical terms, as we are seeing, is a pretty methodical pace of foot soldiers mounted on tanks, on bulldozers coming from the east and north, from the sea, from the west you are seeing naval special forces come in. the israelis are effectively cutting off gaza city, because

the majority of the civilians have departed. look for this to transition to real block to block, house to house, street to street warfare in the coming days. it's going to be a long tight. >> admiral, you were outlining what the urban warfare we can expect in gaza. how many israeli troops do you think are ultimately going to be needed on the ground if they are going to defeat hamas? >> certainly, tens of thousands. they have mobilized 330,000. they don't need a force that large. they will keep a strong reserve to deal with the potential of a second front up north from hezbollah. to give you a sense of scale, the u.s. marines, two regiments, 10,000 troops, the best in the

world were ordered to take the cityof fallujah in iraq. it took months to do so. they are very tough in that street to street battle. think of israel going into a city five times, ten times the size of fallujah. they will need tens of thousands of troops. maybe 20, maybe 30, i would say. >> admiral, good morning. certainly, we know the biden administration has pub lechly -- publically and privately suggested israel to be careful. we know the region is watching. there's fears of a widening conflict. give us your assessment. do you think israel is doing this correctly? what would your approach be if you were calling the shots? >> what the israelis are doing is consistent with the strategic goals they have laid out, which is to take out hamas and try and find the hostages. that's why they are not, jonathan, using a massive,

simply destroy it air campaign. we talk about precision guided air strikes. the most precision guided thing on a battlefield is a soldier, a human being that has eyes and a brain and knows not to shoot the elderly woman but rather to go after the hamas terrorist. i think israel is going to encircle, they are going to create a bigger buffer zone. then it becomes political. what happens after? the israelis consolidate control of gaza. then they have to turn that over, probably to the palestinian authority, maybe a pan arab force that supports them. all that is to be determined. the challenges ahead here are not only military but also political and diplomatic as well. >> retired four star admiral

james stavridis, thank you for your analysis this morning. we will turn to politics and a departure from the 2024 republican presidential field. on saturday, former vice president mike pence announced he was leaving the primary race, less than five months after jumping in. >> the bible tells us that there's a time for every purpose under heaven. traveling across the country over the past six months, i came here to say it has become clear to me, this is not my time. so after much prayer and deliberation, i have decided to suspend my campaign for president effective today. >> i had a great, successful presidency and he was the vice president. he should endorse me. i chose him, made him vice president. people in politics can be very

disloyal. i have never seen anything like it. they ask me a question -- traitor. he could have done what he could have done. right? >> a new poll out this morning shows a bit of movement in the race. but for second place with former president donald trump still holding a commanding lead. let's bring in national political correspondent steve kornacki at the big board. steve, where is the movement for second place and who is it? >> for a distant second place, 78 days before the caucuses, this is what our new poll shows. trump with an overwhelming advantage here. desantis, who has been running second in iowa and nationally and elsewhere all year has been joined for a tie in second place by nikki haley, the former south

carolina governor and u.n. ambassador. we took a poll with the des moines register in august and you could see that is haley, a ten-point jump for her since august. she was 6%. now she's 16%. desantis dropped off by three points. trump added one to his support. one thing to keep in mind with the trump support, you see that massive lead. there's a depth to his support that we are seeing in our poll. nearly two-thirds, 63% of trump's backers say, their minds are already made up and they are definitely voting for him. that definitely voting for number for any of the other candidates is much, much lower. it's another layer to that advantage that trump has. yes, we do have a contest for second place. haley and desantis, both in double digits. >> nikki haley with momentum. has ron desantis grown at all or just holding at his number? >> he has fallen three points

here. the one thing i keep in mind is haley has climbed. i think there's a temptation when we look at polls like this to say, well, there's trump and there's non-trump. if we add up all the non-trump, compare it to trump, it looks like there's a close race there. if you look inside the numbers, let's say desantis left the race, he is at 16 right now, a tendency or temptation to say, haley would get that support. she could move close to trump into the 30s. but this poll found -- they asked desantis voters, if he leaves the race, who would be your second choice? 41% said donald trump would be their next choice. only 27% said that haley would be their next choice. that's a thing to keep in mind when you look at the numbers. for somebody like haley, for any of the other non-trump candidates, as they drop out, it's not automatic that the votes of somebody who drops out are going to a non-trump candidate. a lot are going to go to trump.

this poll says if desantis drops out, trump benefits more than haley. what's happening with haley, it's among independent voters where she's showing particular strength. independent voters, about one in five iowa caucus goers. she moved up to -- she's moved up to 21% among independents. that's a huge jump for her from the last poll. again, what she's doing here is, her appeal is outside the republican party, independents, and her appeal is with the republicans who have negative views of donald trump. if she wants to keep growing and really make this a race, she's got to expand her appeal to core republican voters. she's got to win over voters who right now say they are more inclined, more ready to vote for trump over her. she's got to win over trump-friendly republicans. again, we say if you look over here, favorable, unfavorable, this is notable, the most

popular republican in iowa is not trump. it's ron desantis. he has failed to convert that popularity into broad support. if you notice, he tactically -- he lays off trump a lot when he is baited to go after trump. i think he has not -- just draw a line right here. the three candidates who are deeply unpopular with iowa republican voters all have something in common. they have taken huge incoming fire from donald trump. they have gone after donald trump directly. one is mike pence. you played that clip. trump has talking about pence that way for years now. republicans have sided with trump. pence, 32 favorable, 65 unfavorable. those are numbers you see that he is looking at that got him to make that decision. i think if there's one number here that stands out among all

others to explain mike pence's exit, it's this. evangelical voters in iowa, they make up two-thirds of caucus goers. this is supposed to be the core group for mike pence. he thought he had a special bond with them, could develop a special bond. this poll was taken just before he dropped out of the race. look at this. among evangelicals in iowa, mike pence had fallen to 1%. donald trump at 43%. >> i will never understand that. >> that's the story. pence believed he could camp out in iowa. >> starting with stormy daniels, ending with whatever you want. i just don't get it. steve kornacki, thank you. steve will not discuss that. he has the numbers. he has them down. i don't get the evangelicals -- >> do you remember autographing

bibles? that was my favorite of all the offensive things he does to those of vangelical faith. >> it's crazy for evangelicals to support someone who stands for nothing they stand for in terms of how to treat another human, in terms of humanity, in terms of being a christian. >> despite trump's request, pence has not endorsed him. it would be a surprise if he did endorse trump. iowa is a state where trump has never been that popular. he is way ahead. >> and desantis is doing well there. he seemed so wooden out there on the campaign trail. >> donald trump is way ahead. >> nikki haley, her upticks could be directly related to debate performances when she tells like ramaswamy, you are making me dumber. >> she's done well. coming up, donald trump is again facing a gag order in his federal election interference case. we will get legal analysis on

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tentative agreement with ford just a day after the uaw announced a tentative deal with stellantis. i think you were so good on "the simpsons." >> thank you. i thought the scene would get cut. we recorded it last march. my kids were excited. >> it's perfection. what about gm? we have two out of three. >> two out of three. we may be about to be getting three. there are headlines that are crossing literally as we speak that are suggesting a deal is in the offing with gm. that had been the holdout at this point. we will see whether we get an announcement. the headlines are suggesting a tentative deal has been made. of course, that comes on the heels of both the ford and stellantis deal but on the heels of a walkout of one of the

biggest factories that gm has. that hpened saturday night. responsible for building engines for nine vehicles. it makes it very complicated for gm. we talked about, every week this goes on, it's costing gm $200 million. we saw from that last deal with ford that it is not only 25% increased in terms of wages, it's about an $8 billion investment in the factories. significant money coming into the pockets of the employees. they will get a $5,000 bonus. i imagine -- we will see later this week, maybe even today, if gm does announce this, that you will see a similar kind of deal in terms of what the employees will be paid. >> wow. okay. we are still teteetering on thi >> it would be a huge win for the biden administration. dodging the economic fallout of what a prolonged strike could bring. also, allowed him to be there,

on the picket line, able to prove his pro-labor credentials and push forward their electric vehicle initiatives. a big win for the biden team were this to come to be. andrew, i want to ask you what mr. burns is like in real life. instead, i will ask you about another initiative the white house is putting together. efforts with ai. what's the early reaction from the tech sector? >> it's interesting. for the last several months, we heard from all of the ai players, regulate us. we need to be regulated. this is an existential technology that could have existential risks. today, you have president biden coming out saying that he wants to use the national defense production act, the various agencies in his administration to crack down, investigate and really get into some of the ai technology. i think this might, i want to say -- i'm not suggesting they are coming on strong. for all the folks who had been

asking for regulation, i think now they have got it or they have something coming. i think there's all of a sudden a new sense of nervousness about what it's going to mean. now they are saying, is this going to slow us down? i think over the next several weeks and months, we will see more investigations, whether from the department of justice, ftc, soliciting lots of internal data, information about these technologies. when you start to use the defense production act, it gives you a lot of sway in terms of being able to get inside these companies in a way that perhaps they would not have -- the government would not have been able to before. >> andrew, thank you for all that. stay with us for the next discussion on how various businesses and groups in the u.s. are handling the rhetoric surrounding the aftermath of the hamas terror attacks and israel's ensuing war. in hollywood, "the new york times" details how some jewish leaders are saying that industry leaders are not doing enough to

condemn the ham attack on october 7th. a senior rabbi in los angeles told the paper, after october 7th, it wouldn't have been hard for people to put out statements that said under no circumstances is rape or murder or kidnapping of receivecivilians acceptable. we need to work toward a just future. but that's not what happened, the rabbi said. as a result, a lot of people are shocked and afraid. this is a great example of how silence actually makes things worse in some ways or saying the wrong thing. joining us now, lauren leader. you are the founder of leader shavay advisors. it advises companies on communication communication on equity and inclusion. i want to ask why and what are

you hearing? what is the advice you give to them? >> immediately after the october 7th attacks, hundreds of companies put out statements condemning the violence, condemning hamas. a professor at yale has been tracking it. he has 150 companies on the list, as he did after the george floyd attacks. what's happened is this sort of impossible quandary in a sense. the immediate response to many of the corporations and ceo statements, especially by jewish employees, was it wasn't enough. they hadn't explicitly condemned hamas, condemned terrorist. groups popped up at companies of employees sort of decrying what they felt was lack of courage from the ceos. there was backlash from the other side. palestinian arab employees distressed ceos were taking a pro-israel position.

starbucks wound up suing a group of employees and their union for making a pro-palestine statement. companies have been trying to navigate these issues from abortion to race to now the war in israel. they are poorly equipped to do it. they are losing on all sides. >> it seems to me that two things sometimes can be true at the same time. >> it's difficult to have nuance in a quick press release. what are the ceos that you are talking to -- what are they saying about how they are factoring in public opinion or not? or are they following their moral compass, whatever direction that goes? >> i think not enough companies have really established a set of clear parameters about when, where, why and how they will speak on major issues. every time these things happen, they wind up in immediate crisis communications mode. there's no question that it was imperative, especially for companies that have operations and employees in israel, to

speak out against the attacks of hamas. on a human level, it's inconceivable and i think was very distressing, especially for american jews, when the leaders of their institutions refused to condemn the horrific attacks and the continuing scourge of anti-semitism. just as president biden did. ceos are facing the same backlash that president biden did. he came out in support of israel. what happened? the arab american community in michigan and elsewhere threatened to no longer support him. there is this ongoing question of moral clarity but also the ability to do two things at once, as you say. to be able to speak out about the humanitarian crisis, which no one denies is horrific. but to be honest about the real threats against jews here and around the world and how appalling the attacks were. >> andrew, i would love to hear what you are hearing about this in the business community. if there are issues with some companies or entities that needed to say something that

took too long. >> there were so many ceos during the trump administration -- during that period that spoke out on so many issues. then there was what they thought of as a backlash. that came in large part because they looked at things happening in florida, for example, with governor desantis. they saw it affecting their business. everybody has gone quiet. that quiet is now what we are talking about. there are ceos -- in the midst of this, they have come out with statements that they are keeping a tally on. at the same time, there have not been anti-semitism seminars that are taking place at corporations. we have that built into the curriculum, if you will now, that's part of so many different dei companies in companies. anti-semitism is not part of that and has not been implemented in that kind of way. you are right, the question is, can they speak out directly about anti-semitism?

these folks out there that are saying genocide to the jews, terrible, horrific things, can you speak out about that and yet at the same time -- this is the nuanced piece of it. can you have a nuanced conversation about the policy in israel, how the approach is taken towards palestine, and do people see those things with any distinction or clarity? that, i think, is what has made this so very difficult for the ceo community. >> thank you so much. lauren leader, thank you for being on this morning. coming up, we will dig into what newly elected house speaker mike johnson is now saying about the republican impeachment inquiry into president biden. plus, some of donald trump's adult children will be testifying in his civil fraud case this week. what this means for the former

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42 past the hour. mike johnson is weighing in on the impeachment inquiry into president biden. vowing to let the process play out under his speakership. johnson made the comments during an interview with fox news digital on friday. he accused of president of, quote, ongoing coverup and said president biden, h lied repeatedly about his alleged involvement in his son hunter biden's business dealings. speaker johnson added that the republican-led house takes the inquiry, quote, very seriously but has, quote, not predetermined the outcome. those comments come after speaker johnson praised the investigation during a fox news interview last thursday. >> it's a real problem. that's the reason we shifted into the impeachment inquiry

stage on the president himself. because if, in fact, all the evidence leads to where we believe it will, that's very likely impeachable offenses. >> since former speaker kevin mccarthy launched the formal impeachment inquiry last month, the relevant committees have yet to produce sufficient evidence linking president biden to his son's business dealings. have they found anything linking him to hunter biden? >> they have provided no evidence that the president benefitted from any of the business dealings. they have presented no evidence whatsoever that the president was involved in any efforts to have his son profit from the business entities. the speaker -- >> there was a loan paid back? >> the speaker even said that -- they have not had -- there's no indication they will. it's a political problem, not a legal one. former president trump is back under a gag order in the federal election interference

case. u.s. district judge chutkan lifted a temporary pause on the gag order yesterday. it was oathplaced athe -- place the request of prosecutors. the former president lashed out against the judge, prosecutors and mentioned potential witnesses in posts on his truth social page. he wrote -- he wrote - he promised to appeal the ruling. several members of the trump family will take the stand this week in the $250 million civil fraud trial against the former president and his company. the new york state attorney general's office announced on friday, they plan on calling trump's oldest children to the stand on separate days this

. donald trump junior will testify wednesday followed by eric on thursday and ivanka on friday. the former president himself is expected to be called next monday. prosecutors say they expect trump to beir final witness. hasot let up on his attas against the judge in this case on his truth social page. he called the judge crazy corrupt. trump has been fined twice for breaking a gag order for speaking against courtstaff. there is no protection against speaking against the judge or prosecutors. joining us now, former litigator and msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin. you have been following this in the courthouse every day. first of all, ivanka, don junior, will they get out of this? >> i don't think they will. don junior and eric are defendants in the case. there's never been a suggestion they wouldn't testify. in fact, they appear on the

trump defendants witness list and could be recalled when the prosecution rests and the defense presents its own. >> they could plead the fifth? >> they could. i don't expect them to. one of the reasons i don't expect them to is because we haven't seen that happen from some of the other co-defendants. we expect the former president to get on the stand. he has been clear that he expects to testify as well. >> trump has been showing up a lot. the trial has been decided. we're not deciding whether there was fraud. it has been found to be fraud on a massive level. what we are talking about is intent and how much he should pay. correct? >> correct. six remaining claims. each of the claims require proof of intent by the remaining defendants. the reason that matters and the attorney general went to trial is because the size of the remedies, whether they get the $250 million they want or get to dissolve the trump organization

and its component companies depend on that. >> i'm curious, i know we have to hear from the other side and they could drag this out for another month or so after we hear the testimony next week and the attorney general's side is finished. if he is given a remedy like $100 million, does he have to pay that right away? how does that work? >> he can -- if he appeals, he can post a bond during the course of the appeal. we have seen that happen, for example, in the e. jean carroll case which is a civil litigation. >> he ultimately had to pay? >> he had to post a bond. she doesn't get the money yet. >> when does she get the money? >> when she prevails on appeal. when the appeal is litigated. we are at the second circuit. if trump decides to go all the way to the supreme court, she could be waiting. >> delay, delay, delay.

>> his m.o. for all of these. what's it like a week from today when donald trump is slated to testify? >> i couldn't predict how that's going to go. every day i go into the courtroom and every day i come out like it's groundhog day. the reason i say that is because i come out and say, that was the most bonkers day in court i experienced. >> this one makes him mad. >> what i'm looking to see is who in the attorney general's office has the necessary skill to keep themselves level while exploiting that anger in donald trump. >> the chances of disregulation high. with the documents, you had a classified document that had secrets on iran, he will go, it's mine. with this, he becomes enraged. >> that's what's so tricky about this particular case. you have talked about it. his money is so directly tied to it. how hard is it going to be for prosecutors to prove intent?

>> i think it's challenging. that's why i have written this last week. that's why they called michael cohen. there are so few people who they can ask about trump's own intent, who they know will tell the truth. weisselberg has $2 million not to through his severance agreement. >> is it months we will find out -- we know it's fraud. the judge has decided that. how long until we get to the end of this? >> i think we have a few more weeks until we get to the end of this. the judge will have a verdict. he is the decision maker here. that will be appealed, no question. i would product two to three for weeks until we know what his final decision is, as to remedies. >> this week and early next we watch the family themselves testify. >> i'll be there. >> former litigator, mechanics legal analyst lisa rubin, thank you very much. friends and fans around the world are mourning the loss of actor matthew perry as the

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actors and fans are remembering "friends" star matthew perry this morning. the 54-year-old died saturday at his home in california. authorities are trying to determine what caused his death. nbc news correspondent chloe melas has the latest. >> reporter: this morning, as fans mourning v mourn the loss of one of their greatest friends, we're learning new details about the investigation into matthew perry's death, a source close to perry telling nbc news that the 54-year-old actor was discovered by his assistant. loument says he was found unresponsive in a jacuzzi at his home on saturday. sources say there was no obvious signs of trauma or foul play. in an eerie foreshadowing of his

passing, his last instagram post just five days before his death was this photo of him in a swimming pool. his family telling "people" magazine we're heartbroken by the tragic loss of our beloved son and brother. >> shut up, shut up, shut up! >> reporter: at just 24 years old he landed the role of a lifetime. for ten seasons charming fans as chandler bing on the hit nbc sitcom "friends." in a cast reunion special, perry reflecting on the special bond with his co-stars. >> after the show was over, if one of us bumped into each other, that was it, that was the end of the night. you just sat with the person all night long. >> reporter: former nbc entertainment president warren littlefield says he was just as quick and witty off screen. >> his mind worked so fast, he was so adept. but also the heart he had. >> reporter: he opened up about

his decades long battle with drugs and alcohol in his 2022 memoir. >> i didn't watch the show and couldn't watch the show because i could go drinking, opiates, drinking, cocaine, like i could tell season by season by how i looked. >> reporter: now as fans grieve outside the famous "friends" building used on the show, selma player posting i loved him unconditionally. i'm broken. gwyneth paltrow remembering him for his humor and kindness in the magical summer they had in their brief romance in 1993. hank as sayer yas says the actor was like a brother to him, adding it was perry who took him to his first aa meeting. >> he was so caring and giving and wise. he totally helped me get sober. >> reporter: perry himself hoping to be remembered most for helping others. >> if somebody comes up to me and says, i can't stop drinking,

can you help me, i can say yes and follow up and do it. when i die, i don't want "friends" to be the first thing that's mentioned. i want that to be the first thing that's mentioned. >> nbc's chloe melas with that report. our hearts are breaking for his friends and family. of course, his stepfather is keith morrison who is a major member of the nbc news family. we're praying for all of you. that does it for us this morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage in two minutes. coverage in two minutes. in the u.s. we see millions of cyber threats each year. that rate is increasing as more and more businesses move to the cloud. - so, the question is... - cyber attack! as cyber criminals expand their toolkit, we must expand as well.

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