first thing that's mentioned and i'm going to live the rest of my life proving that. >> so perry's death has been or his case has been classified as deferred which means the medical examiner needs a little bit more time to investigate and it could take several weeks before we know an exact cause of death. jose? >> dana griffin in los angeles, thank you so much. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. and right now on "andrea mitchell reports," israeli forces pushing deeper into gaza with tanks and armored bulldozers executing what prime minister netanyahu is calling the next phase of their war with hamas. as the death toll mounts for palestinian civilians with

survivors sifting through the rubble in a devastated gaza strip where internet and power cut off by israel friday night has now been partially restored after pressure from the white house. president biden also pressing prime minister netanyahu to safeguard americans trying to get out and allow substantially more humanitarian aid into gaza including fuel that israel warns would end up in the hands of hamas. >> the reason those trucks are moving is because of president biden's leadership. that flow of trucks needs to increase and increase substantially so that there is enough food, water, and medicine to get to innocent people in gaza who are badly in need of it. >> and as the fighting rages on, there are growing concerns for the safety of hundreds of hostages. some of them american. held by hamas for more than three weeks. e weeks.

good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington as israeli forces advance a war effort they say will be long and difficult with infantry, tanks, and armored forces moving through gaza. bombs have been falling close to a major hospital housing thousands of people in gaza city. according to the palestinian red crescent, with the staff saying it would be impossible for them to evacuate. president biden spoke again over the weekend to prime minister netanyahu about getting fuel in and establishing pauses to establish a flow of aid. but israel cites evidence hamas is hoarding fuel and will use deliveries they say for its military. the president also spoke to egypt's president sisi about getting hundreds of americans trapped at the rafah crossing to egypt, which is now reportedly being blocked by hamas. the united nations security council holding an emergency meeting today to push for humanitarian pause with diplomatic pressure building for a total cease fire. that's something the u.s. and

israel both oppose. and the new house speaker, mike johnson, says a stand alone bill for billions in aid to israel will get a vote later this week, leaving out aid to ukraine contrary to president biden's wishes and the wishes of a majority of the senate. josh letterman joins us now from jerusalem. tell us about the latest in gaza. what can you tell us about a new propaganda video released by hamas that we are not showing? >> reporter: well, we have seen the israeli military pushing deeper and deeper into the gaza strip over the last 24 hours with video appearing to show an israeli tank inside gaza firing into a vehicle on the main thoroughfare that goes through gaza which would seem to indicate that the israeli military is really making progress in not just hitting gaza from the outside or these limited raids into the edges of

the gaza strip, but making their way far into the territory of the gaza strip. it comes as hamas is releasing this new video which we are not going to play the audio for you. we are still looking into this to see whether this is sheer propaganda, but it say appears to show three hostages blaming netanyahu not only for the intelligence and security failures behind the hamas attack but also for the fact they remain in hamas custody with those hostages, one of them appearing to say that it's netanyahu's fault that he has not allowed the kind of cease fire to get them out. we don't know if this was made under duress. we don't know if these female hostages are reading a script given to them by hamas. that would follow the playbook of previous hostage incidents in the past but it goes to show the way the hamas organization is trying to really send this

message that it still has hostages that are alive and that it is israel's fault, not theirs, that more of them have not been released. netanyahu's office responding calling it propaganda, atrocious. they say they are doing everything possible to bring them home. we expect in an hour to hear from prime minister netanyahu when he speaks to foreign media and we should point out this is not a prime minister who has tended to engage with the media in press conferences for a long time. we saw him a day or so ago taking questions from the media amid all kinds of criticism about his own responsibility for intelligence failures and the pace of his military operations. today, he is going to be addressing reporters facing what we can imagine would be very difficult questions about this new video as well as about the rising concerns about antisemitism around the world

including that incident with an angry crowd storming the airport looking for jews and israelis on a flight from tel aviv. that has really sparked concerns around the world, but especially here in israel. >> thank you so much, josh. and joining us now, we've got footage of that really alarming incident in russia. joining us now is israel's government spokesman. thank you very much for being with us. want to begin with the -- >> thank you for having me. >> well, it's our pleasure and i know this is a very difficult time for your country as well as the people in gaza. the innocent palestinian civilians i should say. let's talk about the call between president biden and prime minister netanyahu. want to play part of jake sullivan's comments over the weekend discussing the fuel issue. this is what jen psaki. >> the president has also made clear that he believes that fuel needs to get first to the u.n.

trucks that are distributing this aid then to hospitals and that we should work out a way to get fuel to those places so that hamas can't divert it, steal it, or use it for military purposes. >> are you concerned about frustration within the white house mounting, really a pivot in the last couple of days because of the humanitarian crisis? the president's expressed it publicly and privately as has secretary blinken. >> we welcome the very solid support we receive from president biden. his moral clarity and material support as well. in explaining that israel is dealing with a terror organization worse than isis. now as for the humanitarian situation in the gaza strip. we want to see humanitarian aid reach the people of gaza through

the rafah border crossing with egypt and of course we're discussing with international partners ways to step up humanitarian aid. we have only one condition, which is our right and duty under international law and that's to make sure resources do not reach hamas. that hamas, which perpetrated the october 7th massacre, not exploit those humanitarian corridors in order to rearm. here's an example. you mentioned the question of fuel. we know hamas, the governing body in the gaza strip, has stockpiled 500,000 liters of fuel. 130,000 gallons. what can you do with this fuel? it's enough to circumnavigate the globe in a boeing 747. that's how much fuel hamas has stockpiled. we have an obligation to protect our citizens and that the fuel not reach hamas. what's the problem? hamas controls the distribution of resources inside the gaza strip.

hamas also decides when to steal resources from international agencies. it's only been two weeks since the u.n. admitted in a tweet it since deleted under pressure from hamas that hamas stole fuel from its own stockpiles. 24,000 liters of fuel from the united nations which is now covering it up. so we want to see humanitarian aid reach gaza but we cancel out the good will to be exploited by the terrorists who perpetrated the massacre in order to rearm their machine of war and terror against our people. >> is there a way for a humanitarian pause in order to get escorted fuel in through the international red cross, through other agencies? because people are dying in these hospitals without the generators. without the fuel they need. without incubators for children which need electricity. isn't there any way to save some of these innocent people by getting fuel deliveries in and work out a way with, i mean,

you're negotiating with all these people in any case. work with, you have to pause the bombing in order for that to happen. you've contained hamas. they can't break through. you've got them surrounded. isn't there some way to have these brief pauses? >> members of the international community that want to see fuel reach the people of gaza should insist that hamas, the governing body in the gaza strip, release the fuel it already controls. we know for example that hamas' main operational command center is located in the basement of the hospital in gaza. now, i promise you, hamas and its tunnels underneath the hospital have all the fuel they need to ventilate those tunnels. the fuel exists. the problems with hamas that controls the gaza strip propose to use that fuel to ventilate its tunnels instead of releasing it for the hospital aboveground.

they've said in 24 hours we're going to run out of fuel and they don't. first, many of them have solar power. but it's also because hamas has been feeding fuel to these hospitals in order to keep them operational. why has hamas been drip feeding fuel to the hospitals? because it wants to continue using innocent palestinians as human shields to shield the military targets located underneath those hospitals. that is of course a grave breach of international law under the geneva conventions for any army. not to mention a brutal isis-like organization to use human civilians as human shields. the fuel exists in the gaza strip for all humanitarian needs but it's controlled by hamas. the same hamas we're concerned if we allow more in, it's going to requisition those supplies any way. "the new york times" published yesterday or the day before an article stating clearly there is one group in the gaza strip that

remains well stocked in terms of fuel and food. hamas. the same regime that controls the gaza strip. so the resources are there. we think anyone who is concerned with the humanitarian situation in gaza as we are should insist the governing authorities there release what they have stockpiled for a long and drawn out war against our people for the people in the gaza strip because it is unacceptable to be hoarding those stockpiles like that to continue their machine of war and terror against our people instead of giving it to the people who need it. >> and questioning the fact it is a war crime to use hostages as a human shield. let me ask you about the fact hamas also released a propaganda video with a direct message to the prime minister. as israeli forces are trying to eliminate hamas in tunnels where these hostages may be held. is that a cause of concern for you as you map your strategy and where you go, you know, with your weapons and attacks?

>> we're not going to comment on hamas' bore of psychological warfare against us but of course watching the video is extremely difficult. these are very, very poor women. three of 239 hostages at least who were abducted from their homes and taken into the gaza strip and i heard your correspondent before i went on air saying it's unclear whether they were speaking under duress. they're being held in a dark tunnel by armed men holding rifles. that's the definition of duress and of course, our hearts go out to them. no one should be abducted from their beds and be held by isis like terrorists inside the gaza strip. those are the twin aims of our fight against hamas. >> i should point out that we're not playing their comments or even quoting or showing them on screen for that reason. they're obviously under duress. >> thank you. >> it's horrendous it's being used that way. i know you've told people from the north to the south that root

route is being bombed as we speak. so how can they move safely from the north to the south? >> we take very seriously our obligation to protect civilians from harm. that's why on the israeli side we've ordered a mass evacuation of over 100,000 people on our side including sick and elderly people. in the gaza strip, we've asked people to get out of the way temporarily for their safety. we know it's going to be difficult. because it's been two and a half weeks. >> how can they move? >> it's been two and a half weeks since israel gave them an initial 24-hour warning to move. now hamas continues to act within the whole gaza strip. the reason we're asking them to get out of the north is because that's where hamas has most of its tunnels under their homes. an example. just last week, the idf struck a hamas missile launcher in -- that is a legitimate military target and we're going after the

whole terror infrastructure that's been attacking our people since the october 7th massacre and for the last 16 years but we're asking them to get out of the north because that is where hamas has embedded itself most deeply in civilian areas. to get out of the most dangerous areas. >> there are many people too ill to move. people in hospitals who cannot move. so i know you gave them plenty of warning but they're -- >> and we'll continue. and we will continue of course to apply those core principles of proportionalty and distinction under international law. israel has also been forced to evacuate sick people. we have no choice. we want to get them out of harm's way. anyone concerned should be urging them to do anything possible to heed israel's warning. to get out of harm's way for their own safety until the war is over when we can rebuild. >> for many people who have land exits other than the people in

gaza, there is an escape, but we have to leave it there. thank you very much. >> thank you. new fears for the safe return of those 239 hostages, according to the idf. still held inside gaza for three weeks. as israeli air strikes are targeting the hamas tunnels that these captives say that's where they're being held. that's in 60 seconds. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" after this from a survivor of the october 7th attacks whose friends are among the hostages. >> i don't know if the invasion is better or negotiation is better. i lost, i don't know. i just want them back here. , i w i just want them back here [bell ringing] and doug says, “you can customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual.” he hits his mark —center stage— and is crushed by a baby grand piano. are you replacing me? with this guy? customize and save with liberty bibberty.

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239 hostages stalled on friday when hamas demanded israel allow fuel deliveries into gaza while refusing to guarantee the large release of a large number of foreign captives that have been under discussion. this according to a former u.s. official with knowledge of those talks. this weekend, jen psaki asked white house national security adviser, jake sullivan, about efforts to free the hostages. >> the conversations with the cutries and other third party countries then are continuing even as this ground operation is stepping up. >> the conversations are continuing and as i said, we are not going to let the conversations lapse because we're going to insist on continuing to use every avenue to try to secure the release of the hostages even as military operations continue. >> joining me now is nbc's chief international correspondent, keir simmons, and jason, global media team leader for the

international committee of the red cross. keir, what else do we know about the hostage video released by hamas clearly, detained women and how it could affect the talks as well as the escalation you know, in what israel is describing as the next phase. >> andrea, well, i guess we don't know how the video will impact the talks. a diplomat with knowledge of the talks did tell us through the weekend as well as that the talks had stalled on friday. that they are ongoing. al be it at a slower pace because of the air and ground operation by israel. now the second phase as netanyahu describes it. clearly, the video is very disturbing and will likely fuel fury among many. women, as you rightly said in your interview, are inevitably

under duress so i just think it's incredibly difficult to know exactly now the talks which have been continuing almost every day since october 7th, will be impacted. we do know that those talks, those around those talks thought they might get some kind of a breakthrough. i've been reporting this out with my colleagues, ken and josh, and we were told by a diplomat with knowledge of the talks by a former u.s. official with knowledge of the talks and an israeli official that they had reached a very difficult moment on friday. that former u.s. official saying hamas has been insisting on receiving fuel. the israel and u.s. side plus other countries want a large batch of their citizens released. and the diplomat telling us talks were going very well on

thursday and negotiators were hopeful a deal could be reached over the weekend but differences emerged early friday which led to the talks stalling. the escalation has slowed those talks down but they are still ongoing. >> and jason, you know, the international red cross, we've been talking for these last three weeks, has been so critical to the efforts to get the four hostages out, which were heroic, as well as getting aid in. i just was interviewing someone from the israeli government claiming the key issue of fuel which the president of the united states has been pressing israel on and the international community has been pressing israel on, that hamas is hoarding fuel in those tunnels, doling it out just to keep the hospitals functioning but in critical care needs. and that hamas should also be pressed to release fuel. while still denying you know,

all these, all the pressure to establish international corridors of relief and suspension. pauses in the assault to let that happen. is there something more that the international community can do to get the fuel in to assure israel it will not go to hamas? it will go where it's needed? what i would say about that is that the international community of red cross has been working in gaza for decades now and we take very seriously our responsibility. not just in gaza but around the world. to bring in assistance and make sure that it is given and distributed specifically among civilians. we work in iraq, we work in afghanistan. we work in somalia. the issue of bringing assistant into any of these locations when the fighting is highest, it always has, there's always a certain degree of a question from the other side, is this aid

being used for its rightful purpose. so we don't use contractors, outside parties. we take the assistance, we bring it in, we deliver it precisely to the people who are in need themselves and that's the method we have to ensure that when we bring in medical supplies, it actually goes to the doctors and nurses and patients that need it and that's the way we work. >> and are you still able and willing to escort hostages out even though the attacks have you know, escalated by president, well, prime minister netanyahu, i should say, by israel's own description in the speech that came over the weekend. >> absolutely. we're absolutely ready to do that. we're continuing to have conversations to try to further progress alongside the other parties. that you've already interviewed and talked about. also furthering this issue. you bring up the point of when there is a higher degree of fighting. the danger goes up.

so, the next time and i say next time hopefully, the next time there are hostages released, we will be ready to meet hamas, take possession of the hostages, do that first medical check with them and drive them into safe hands, but of course, we wouldn't be willing to do that if there were no security guarantees in place. first, we don't want members of the red cross to be put in harm's way, but just as importantly, maybe more importantly, we would never do an operation where there was any risk that the hostages could come under fire, come under bombardment while they were in our care. >> jason, it's always good to talk to you. and of course, my colleague, keir simons as well. thank you very much. appreciate it. and how did a statewide alert fail to stop the maine shooter weeks before the attacks that left 18 people dead? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. florida hell repo

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we have breaking news and it's good news from israel where the idf says that a female soldier, a hostage from gaza, has been freed during a ground operation. she has been medically examined and israel says her condition is listed by a idf as good. we're also told she has met with her family. this as the war between israel and hamas has triggered an alarming rise in reported antisemitic and antimuslim incidents. >> police are guarding the center for jewish living and the president of the school has

notified the fbi of a possible hate crime after she says a series of quote antisemitic messages threatening violence were posted online. in a letter to students, she writes the virulence of antisemitism on campus is impacting our jewish students, faculty, and staff. over the weekend, the dean of berkeley of law writing i am a 70-year-old jewish man but never have i felt the antisemitism of the last few weeks. it follows an incident at george washington university last week when slogans were on the side of a building. gw calling it antisemitic and saying it has caused fear and anxiety for jewish stumts. this as nbc has learned the biden administration will -- on college campuses including dhs and the fbi improving coordination between campus law enforcement and state and local

counterparts in responding to incidents. the antidefamation league reports since the war began three weeks ago, there have been 312 reported cases of harassment, vandalism and assault targeting jews. up nearly 400% from the same period last year. >> what you're seeing today in america, it's not just the war in israel. it is the war on all jewish people. >> muslim leaders are also reporting an uptick in hate crimes with the council citing more than 800 complaints across the country since the beginning of october. thousands of pro palestinian protesters shut down traffic on the brooklyn bridge while at grand central station, a protest during friday's rush hour. >> i want to go to josh letterman just back with me now from jerusalem. josh, let's talk about the

release of this female soldier. what more do we know about how she was rescued? >> we know she was rescued according to israel's government during one of those ground operations that israel's military hasee conducting over the last 72 hours or so. with the military both the israeli defense forces but also the shin bet, which is the internal security service of the state of israel. saying that she has been medically examined, that she is in good condition and has met with her family. they say the release took place during one of those ground operations tonight and that she had been kidnapped as part of that group of soldiers captured along with so many civilians during the terrorist attacks a few weeks ago. as far as we know, this is the first israeli soldier to be released. we have the two americans and

two elderly women who had been released. this is the first time we know a soldier has been released. of course, this was not someone who hamas voluntarily released like they did with those four civilians. this is someone according to israel they freed in a military operio and so israel hoping that this is going to send a signal as they were getting all this criticism including in the video showing some of the hostages currently detained that was released earlier today about why more people haven't been freed. that this will show israel's military is capable even as they are bombarding the gaza strip from the air and ground, to free some of the hostages in the process. the big question is what is the risk that instead of freeing hostages like they apparently did tonight, that they instead could either kill them accidentally or lead hamas to do so. we heard earlier from hamas saying that they believed that about 50 of the hostages had

been killed in israeli air strikes. that is something israel has not confirmed. something nbc news has no way to independently confirm but it is a claim hamas has been making as they try to deter israel from conducting these types of ground raids into the gaza strip but this is going to be received as welcome news here in israel where they are so concerned about a group of hostages that according to israel's military, has nowis to almost 240. the numbers kee growing as they are able to identify more and more of the bodies that were found in israel and then cross reference that against the list of the missing. apparently, the number has dropped by one and we expect to hear from prime minister netanyahu about it in half an hour when he speaks to the foreign media. andrea? >> thank you so much. and joining us now, the ceo and national director for the antidefamation league. jonathan, first of all, your reaction to the release, the rescue by israel by their claim

of this one female soldier. >> look, it's exhilarating and energizing to know that a hostage was freed but none of us will rest until all the hostages are freed and the depravity of hamas tot suggest hostages are getting killed. this whole situation would not have happened if hamas had not committed the bloodiest attack since the holocaust. if hamas, which is maintaining gaza like an open air prison and forcing all those people to abide by their genocidal agenda. let's hope the idf frees the rest of the hostages and hope we can send hamas to oblivion where they belong. >> as we've discussed, there's an almost 400% increase just in the first couple of weeks after october 7th of antisemitic incidents. why is this happening now?

i know you think incidents, attacks of this background is appalling but talk to me about what your data are showing. >> yeah, so i think attacks against any group are appalling. i think no one should be targeted for how they pray. including muslim americans but i'll also say i'm tired of the gaslighting here. owe showed the images in the opening segment about what happened at gw. glory to the mar tirs is a celebration to the people who butchered and burned and maimed and raped jewish people. that's what this is. this is incredibly focused to intimidate the students. at the cooper union, jewish students were barricaded by security to keep them safe in a room while a mob outside pounded on a wall added globalized -- by

the way for those who don't know, it was a series of homicidal terror attacks by hamas against israel in civilians in the early 2000s who were literally over the weekend the segment you showed again these weren't like idle claims or threats. cornell students threatened to slit the throats of other students. we're not even talking about the attacks of jews at other universities. we knew going into this that jews were the most targeted religious minority into america. that antisemitism had risen to an historic high, but it is time for university administrators to find their spines. and to literally because right now, andrea, universities are getting fs at keeping their jewish kids safe. they are getting failing grades and speaking out clearly and convincingly on making their jewish and israeli students know

that they have a place on their campuses so there's a series of steps that we are demanding. i'm going to meet with education secretary cardona in a few minutes and we'll be pushing for it. this is a moment for accountability for our units and america to make sure jews can live in this country without fear of getting our throats slit, our synagogues bombed, our cultural restaurants vandalized. none of this is normal. all of us should be outraged. >> jonathan, stand by because joining us now is also retired lieutenant general twitty. former deputy commander of u.s. european command. general, what is the challenge for getting hostages out given the new nation of what israel is describing as phase two of a really continuous air, sea, and

ground attack now? >> i think getting the ground forces into gaza has some advantages for releasing the hostages. if they go about this right and not use overwhelming ground force but go in, isolate areas they need to operate in, clear methodically and only in the areas they need to operate in, then they can conduct surgical operations, pinpointed operations to go after the hostages using special operating forces and the infantry. and so that's the advantage but you can't do this with overwhming combat power and you have to keep in mind the

non combatants, collateral damage and portionalty as you conduct these operations. >> let me get a response also because we have the ambassador joining us as well. former adviser to israeli prime minister barack and shimon perez. thank you very much, mr. pinkus. let's talk about whether these targeted attacks could be more helpful and more ground forces perhaps without the air attacks. that have been collective punishment on civilian palestinians. >> hi, andrea. yeah. a ground operation and i defer to the general and entirely agree and subscribe to what he said. a ground operation that is surgical, that is based on a

search and destroy but isolates small quadrants rather than overwhelm entire areas with attacks creates opportunities to seek out and to save some of the hostages but that's also obviously based on very precise intelligence. and for that, you need the general security services and a network of informants rather than f-16s or f-35s. so yes, a ground operation conducted smartly aside from the major military goal of destroying as much of hamas militarily as possible, also the door or creates opportunities and possibilities to rescue and save more hostages. >> to that point, ambassador, and the rest of you, gentlemen,

i want to play a part of what richard haas said today on "morning joe" about the aim of eliminating hamas and alternative ways of going about making israel safer. let's watch. >> what you have is friendly warrants. you have to be careful about the safety of civilians. keep open the two state solution. but it's all been friendly advice. the question is is israel heeding it. i would say a lot of the evidence is not so much. there's obviously a real tension between the nature of this israeli military operation and civilian casualties. and so what the israelis are doing is understandable, yes, but is it smart? is it necessary? is it consistent with u.s. interests? not so much. >> so ambassador, what is your view on that? >> he's absolutely right. the fundamental point in every

warrant, every military operation on such a scale is to align it with a grand political object otherwise it's just a military defect. in that respect, we need to better define and i know for a fact that israel has not defined what that political object is. that overarching political objective is and therefore, the allocation or the deployment or the employment of military power is questionable as long as it's not derived from such a political object. now what richard said is richard interesting because, yes, this needs to be done. destroying hamas needs to be done. is it obtainable at a cost everyone is willing to pay? i don't know. there are pros and cons.

demolishing hamas, andrea, requires -- no question about it, requires reoccupiesing the gaza strip, whether two years or 22 years, i don't know. i don't think israel wants to do that. i don't think the palestinian can just come in which is why richard haass is absolutely right. >> andrea, can i ask you something here? >> sure. >> i respect the ambassador greatly and mr. haass as well who is a friend, but i think he's wrong. i don't think we ask the allied forces in the middle of world war ii what is your long-term political objective, other than to destroy the third reich. i think we're asking the israelis -- >> that was the objective. >> -- a long-term political solution. mr. ambassador, let me speak. let me speak. hamas is not just a terror

organization making jews unsafe in israel, we need to get hamas out of the gaza strip. liberaing the gaza strip from hamas will save palestinian lives -- israeli lives as well as jewish lives. that to me is a goal unto itself worth pursuing. >> the question that richard haass was raising is is it even possible? is that a goal that's been defined. >> you would have asked the world war ii we really get rid of the nazi germany. we need to dehamasify gaza. >> let me ask general twitty, is it possible operationally to get rid of hamas? >> i think you can get rid of hamas inside gaza. that's going to be a long,

drawn-out operation for the israelis. when you talk about greater hamas, as you know, most of the leaders live outside of gaza throughout the arab world. so i'm not so sure you can destroy hamas outside of gaza, but you can certainly destroy hamas within the gaza strip. that's going to be long, arduous, and it will cause a lot of lives, not just from israel, but also all the civilians within gaza as well. >> please, gentlemen, stay with us. i want to go back to josh lederman who has advanced information on what prime minister netanyahu is about to say to the nation. josh. >> reporter: andrea, we know prime minister netanyahu is expected to address the release of this soldier, the freedom of the soldier by the hands of the israeli military during that

raid when he speaks to the media in less than half an hour. that's not a surprise, that he would want to address this. i think it's going to be a real closely-watched moment for how he addresses these two competing priorities that these other guests have been discussing, between trying to defeat hamas and free these hostages. the last time we heard from prime minister netanyahu addressing the media less than 48 hours ago, he was interesting. he said our top goal is to defeat hamas and eliminate hamas. our number two goal is to free the hostages. whether netanyahu was trying to create a hierarchy there or similar lip listing his priorities, i'm not sure. it certainly seemed to suggest that the penultimate goal was going to be really dealing with this hamas issue. he seems to have a new point to make tonight that he can do both at the same time. the question is whether the public here is going to believe him. we saw that video we've been

discussing of the hostages that hamas has released. we don't know if they were reading a script. they seemed to suggest these two goals were mutually exclusive and they wanted to see a ses fire. we've seen netanyahu on the tour of the country trying to undo some of the damage from some of the comments he made on twitter where he blamed the israeli military and security apparatus for the intelligence failures that led to the hamas attack. he had to delete that tweet. he's been apologizing for it. it's the same military service which is responsible for freeing this private in the israeli military captured by hamas. there are a whole lot of competing themes here that are swirling around netanyahu, facing perhaps the biggest political crisis of his presidency right now -- of his prime ministership, and he's going to have to figure out what he tells the israeli public

about whether these ground raids that are growing in scope and going farther and farther into the gaza strip are actually going to be able to free these civilian and military hostages or whether they come with a distinct possibility that more of those hostages will end up dying, and, if so, whether that's a necessary price that israel must pay to accomplish what he has described as the top goal of eliminating hamas completely, andrea. >> let me ask amend pincus, we know the hostage families, some critical of the israeli operations, certainly the air operations because they were concerned about the effects on tunnels where their loved ones might be held. how do you think this rescue of one israeli soldier, this woman, is going to affect that if at all? what was the growing frustration of the hostage families from your perspective? >> the frustration, andrea, is almost natural. how could you not be frustrated?

how could you not be agonized? the idea that policy will change because of the family's pressure at this point, that's questionable. this soldier, field intlince was her role in the military, she was freed thanks to very specific pinpoint intelligence. i don't know that we know -- >> -- >> so the families, every family who fears for their loved ones, we don't know that same information will be available and applicable to each and every one. >> general twitty, there was initial -- not in the most recent supposed statement from

hamas, but there was initial statements from hamas that they were not going to release any israeli soldiers, they would release civilians from american and other international civilians. no one in uniform was going to be released. >> that's why i keep going back to why this ground war is so important. the only way you're going to release hostages, one or two ways. number one through diplomacy. we know diplomacy is working behind the scenes to get the hostages released. but bombs cannot do it. so the air force striking targets, that's not going to make hamas release the hostages. the second way is to get in ground, isolate, surgical operations to free the hostages. so i think the israelis are moving about it the right way. i will add a third goal to be

part of prime minister netanyahu's goals, and that should be safeguarding the people with inside the gaza strip, the innocent palestinians, and making sure that the humanitarian effort gets to knows people as well. when you conduct urban operations, you cannot forget about the people that make up the environment in which you're operating in. >> jonathan greenblatt, the president is taking steps today about anti-semitism, we only have a few seconds left, do you think the steps the white house is out lining are adequate? -- jewish americans and not even announce or acknowledge that he had also subsequently met with muslim americans. >> the president has to serve all of our country, muslim

americans and jewish americans. i totally get that. after the historic national strategy to count anti-semitism, now he's unleashing actions to support american jews who are under threat, getting hamas off our college campuses, making sure universities enforce title 6 law to protect jewish and israeli students, make sure dei programs are designed to help, not harm jewish kids. this is what we want and we want it now. jonathan greenblatt, thank you to you. to ambassador alon pinkas and general twitty, thank you. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us on social media @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc