jungles and everywhere else they wish to go. if they want to go south or north, they can go to the u.s. >> that's an enterprise. the cartels, at the heart of this, are making the most money by trying to capitalize on people when they are desperate, especially as they make their way through mexico where cartels are starting to control more and more and have people in more and more desperate and violent situations there. >> julia ainsley in washington, thank you so very much. it's great seeing you. that wraps up the hour for me. you can reach me on social media @jdbalart. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," 12 protesters arrested after disrupting the opening of secretary of state blinken's testimony as he and defense secretary austin were trying to get congress to agree to support both israel and

ukraine's military funds. [ yelling and chanting ] >> fighting for president biden's request, tieing funds for israel and humanitarian aid into gaza to ukraine, taiwan and securing the southern border. >> many are again making the bet that we are too divided, too distracted at home to stay the course. that's what's at stake with president biden's national security funding request. >> both israel and ukraine democrats are fighting ruthless foes who are out to annihilate them. we will not let hamas or putin win. this as speaker mike johnson right out of the gate challenges the white house supporting

military aid to israel but not to ukraine and paying for it by cutting money already approved for the president's irs crackdown on the super rich. the defense secretary responding to more attacks against u.s. troops in syria and iraq. now numbering 25 attacks since the israel/hamas war began. >> the president has been clear and i have been clear, vice chair, that if that -- if this doesn't stop, then we will respond. we remain -- we will respond at a time and place of our choosing. >> as prime minister netanyahu reject president biden's plea to allow fuel deliveries into gaza, warning that it will be hijacked by hamas, israel claims, for its terror attacks. >> just as the united states would not agree to a cease-fire

after the bombing of pearl harbor or after the terrorist attack of 9/11, israel will not agree to a cessation of hostilities against hamas after the horrific attacks. calls for a cease-fire are calls for israel to surrender to hamas. chris wraywarning how the violence could spill into the united states. >> our most immediate concern is violent extremists will draw inspiration to carry out attacks against americans going about their daily lives. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where secretary of state antony blinken and secretary of defense lloyd austin are both defendingpoal t

money to israel and ukraine. >> why aren't we arresting them? >> the committee will suspend. >> why aren't they at the table? cease-fire now. i beg you! cease-fire now! >> secretary blinken explaining the opposition to a cease-fire and support for israel. >> hamas cynically and monstrously puts intentionally civilians in harm's way by hiding behind them. for each of us and particularly for democracies like israel and the united states, we have to bear the burden of doing everything we can to ensure civilians are not harmed. when it comes to a cease-fire,

in this moment, you are right, that would consolidate what hamas has been able to do and allow it to remain where it is and potentially repeat what it did another day. that's not tolerable. no nation would tolerate it. >> this afternoon, the senate is expected to confirm former treasury secretary jack lu as the next u.s. ambassador to israel as israeli defense forces say their military activities in gaza are intensifying. there are still 240 hostages in harm's way. they did rescue one hostage yesterday, a female israeli soldier. joining me now, nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel, ambassador ross, former u.s. special envoy to the middle east and a distinguished fellow at the washington institute, and retired four star army general barry mccaffrey. richard, first to you. i want to start with the situation on the ground and play something else we heard from prime minister netanyahu yesterday.

>> receive no civilian lasse ha. there's a safe zone. >> despite his claim yesterday and his defiance of american calls for a pause -- not a cease-fire but a pause to get more humanitarian aid in, your teams on the ground in gaza are not finding safe zones, because you say they have come under attack in the south. tell us what you are seeing. >> not just our teams on the ground. the united nations has said there are no safe areas in gaza. there are two main population centers in the gaza strip. there's the greater area of gaza city in the north and rafah in the south. there have been many strikes all

across southern gaza. they are happening on a daily basis. the idea that if suddenly palestinians were to pick up and go to the south, that everything would be fine, just simply is not true. every day we have been in touch with our teams in southern gaza. they have been going to buildings that have been flattened. they have been showing children pulled from the rubble. a lot of the pictures that we have been putting on nbc, some of the most disturbing of the aftermath of strikes, have been in southern gaza. the idea that there is this perfect place in the south where they could just go and be fine and get away from the war simply is not true when we talk to our people on the ground who we have known for many years. the big story today is in northern gaza. that is where the fighting is more intense. several hours ago, there was an

attack, an israeli series of strikes that could -- i don't want to say change the course of the conflict, but could bring -- it could expand the war, frankly. it was a massive strike. palestinian medical authorities are talking about hundreds of dead and injured. it's on the level of the hospital explosion that was -- happened under disputed circumstances but which undeniably caused protests and uprisings in cities from islamabad to morocco. this is one of the most densely populated areas in the world. this is a refugee camp. it's about one square mile, more than 100,000 people living in it. the images of the aftermath are horrific. they are broadcasting live on all of the arabic news channels. they are getting wall-to-wall coverage.

they show an area in the center that has been hit by what seems to be bunker-busting bombs. huge ordinates that dug craters in the ground. i counted three massive craters that seem to be 50 or 60 feet deep. all of the buildings around them are severely damaged. in this image that like i said is getting full coverage around the arab world and possibly islamic world in general, is of people climbing on the debris, looking for dead and injured. victims carrying out dead children from the surrounding buildings. horrific images. the israeli military has not commented specifically on it. an israeli military spokesman blamed hamas. they are using them as civilian shields. the same arguments we heard before. hamas builds up its military infrastructure around urban areas and perhaps there was some sort of subterranean structure

under these buildings that were hit, and that it caused a collapse and a greater loss of life than israel had been anticipated. that is possible. again, if you drop enormous ordinates into one of the most densely populated areas in the world, the only result i think you can receive -- you can expect is an enormous casualty count. >> richard, this is just extraordinary. general mccaffrey, i know this is what people were warning against and questioning whether israel's approach to this was going to be impossible to achieve. the admission cautioning they had to be concerned about civilian casualties and what the international reaction would be. the u.n. is up in arms, people in the region. richard alluded to this.

the hospital casualties were not as excessive as originally reported. they were obviously tragic, but they were also erroneously in the first hours attributed to what hamas claim and -- claimed, but the damage was done in terms of changing the momentum. now it seems that this is really attributable to israeli intensive attacks. >> this is a tragedy unfolding on a colossal scale. hundreds of thousands of palestinian civilians are caught up in the fighting, which is going to get worse. the idf on the ground uses use, ground, sea tactics to locate hostages and destroy hamas political and military leadership, it's going to get

worse. it's a tragedy. we have to start, what is israel's strategic aim? it's to ensure hamas no longer governs gaza when the operation is done. the idf military need to go after the underground command and control tunnels. they use bunker-busting bombs. those craters are colossal. they are aimed at collapsing tunnels beneath the surface. that's what they're going to do. i personally believe the idf will accomplish their military objective. they will end up sitting on gaza. the tunnel operations may go on for weeks. then the question, which i'm sure dennis ross can address is, what happens next? who gets gaza and maybe the west bank in receivership so that the

israelis don't try and govern gaza themselves? it's a bloody mess. the idf is bound and determined to end the hostile threat that slaughtered hundreds of israeli innocents in a planned, provoked, brutal attack. >> dennis ross, even before we get to who ends up owning what is broken, what is crushed inside gaza, secretary blinken is talking about the close to 1,000 people who are stuck in gaza, including 400 americans, all blocked at the rafah crossing. now i am told that they will announce that netanyahu, in his conversation with the president,

has agreed to 100 trucks going in a day. a bigger humanitarian aid flow. but hamas is blocking that. >> look, we have a reminder of who hamas is. it uses its public as human shields. in fact, i prefer to say what hamas does is it keeps its population hostage. when israel is hitting a camp, a camp i know well. richard engel is right, it's densely populated. i have no doubt hamas has probably put a lot of its command/control structure in the camp trying to use the people there as a shield to prevent the israelis from being able to attack them. the fact that they try to prevent people from going down the main north/south road in gaza, that's to prevent them from going to the south. not letting people go out through rafah. they want to keep people there

because they hold them hostage. this is who hamas is. this is who they have always been. you are dealing with basically an adversary who wants to maximize the number of civilian casualties, because they think it creates a better balance of imagery. they think it will put more pressure on israel. they hope to use all the hostages, the ones they are holding and the public, as a deterrent against what the israelis are doing. you heard barry say correctly, israelis are not going to live with that threat any longer next to them. we, for our part, are concerned about, how do you achieve that objective with the least possible civilian cost? it's a terrible problem. yet, it's one i think -- the idea of not accepting a cease-fire is legitimate. if you have a cease-fire, you repeat what has been done before. you act as if october 7 didn't happen. that's not going to be what the outcome can be. we should think about the value of some pauses to allow greater

humanitarian assistance to get in. in richard's report about people moving to the south and what prime minister netanyahu said, one of the things that i think it's important to do is also as part of the israeli calls for those to move to the south, more has to be done on their part to make it safe tore the people to move to the south areas that has been identified and ensure in those safe areas there is the kind of food and water and fuel available so actually people can be sustained when they get there. >> thanks to all of you, and one of the other points is that the prime minister refused the pleas by the president to get the fuel in. dennis ross will return. thank you so much, richard engel and barry mccaffrey. tony blinken testifying

today for military aid to israel despite the pressure for israel to agree to a cease-fire. was reminding people how this all started. it started because hamas started the war by a brutal attack, a massacre against the people of israel on october 7th. >> a family at its breakfast table -- the profound irony of attacks on the very people who most ardently believe and want a fur of peace between israelis and palestinians, a few of two states, a family of four, a young boy and girl, 6 and 8 years old and their parents around the breakfast table, the father, his eye gouged out in front of his kids. the mother's breasts cut off. the boy's fingers cut off before they were executed. then the executioner sat down and had a meal. that's what this society is dealing with. >> pleased to have israel's

minister for strategic affairs joining us. he is the former israel ambassador to the united states. ambassador, since we have not spoken since the war started, i want to offer my condolences to you and your country. we know who started the war. we are seeing how the world is reacting already to what was happening in gaza and now you see what's happening in the north today with the increase of the air power, the bunker-busting bombs leaving such craters and such devastation, which is only increasing the condemnation in the u.n. and elsewhere. are you worried about this growing sentiment around the world? >> well, i think it's important that the combination be directed at hamas. they are using their people as human shields. i think dennis said that earlier. your reporter said we are arguing that they are using their people as human shields. it's a fact. they use the hospitals as part

of their terror tunnel network under gaza. we know it's there. we are working, our soldiers are working in order to remove that underground terror network. they use hospitals, schools, mosques, all of these things as part of the war machine. it's not an argument. it's a fact. i think as you are going to see our soldiers operate in the northern part of the gaza strip, you are going to uncover that to the eyes of the world to see what type of enemy we are dealing with. i think the secretary of state made it very clear what the nature of this enemy, the brutality, the horrific crimes that they perpetrated against israelis. but they are also perpetrating it against the palestinians. i want to correct something else. your reporter said there's no safe zone in the south. he said what the prime minister said is not true. there is a safe zone. it's in the southwest part of gaza. no israel lyisraeli official sa

safe. there is a place in the southwest corner on the coast where from the beginning, three weeks ago we told people to go there. you have humanitarian assistance that's flowing in there, food, water and medicine. tents set up. we have implored the people to get out of the northern part of the gaza strip. the good news is that about 90% of people have left the northern part of the gaza strip in the areas that our military is operating in. as for the attack that just happened, i don't know the facts. let's not rush to judgment. you mentioned what happened with the hospital about a week ago or two weeks ago. i'm old enough to remember what happened in janine where the world condemned israel and said there were 5,000 people killed there and that number went down to 500 people and then after the u.n. did an investigation, after a few months they realized there were 54 people killed and 48 terrorists. that was after everybody around the world demonized israel and

condemned it. let's not rush to judgement. condemn the actions of hamas in endangering our civilians and putting their own people in harm's way. the most important thing we can do -- i think dennis may have said it earlier -- is to rid gaza of hamas. it's important for israel and for our own security. but it's going to be important for giving the palestinians a better future. >> first of all, we have seen that for several weeks -- at least two weeks, no food, no water came in and no fuel has come in. they did not open that crossing. that was a combination of -- >> that's just -- that's not true. what you just said is not true. we have had truck comes in for the last two weeks. that's not true. we haven't had enough. we are trying to ramp it up. we have a problem. when the international community pressured israel, israel to put in humanitarian assistance, everyone said you have to get this stuff to the people of gaza. what happens?

hamas takes all of that and uses it to build their war machine. we started early in this war to get food and medicine and water in. we didn't do it from the israeli side. we did it from the egyptian side. there's a problem. how do you inspect what's going in? do we want anti-tank rockets going to gaza? i don't think the united states wants that. israel doesn't want it. we had to set up an inspection mechanism on our border with egypt so those trucks can be inspected. today, there should be 60 trucks going in. tomorrow, close to 100. we ramped this up at a time when we have 240 israeli hostages in gaza. ny are hold 3g 3 children, including babies hostage. the israeli people are not thrilled about putting humanitarian assistance in when we have over 200 citizens held hostage in gaza. >> we will get the exact date when the humanitarian aid -- secretary believ blinken was wa

for teb people when people were told to go south that nothing was coming across. that was not necessarily egypt's fault. i mean, israel's fault. egypt was holding it up. hamas was blocking it. people still can't get out. we know that people still have not been able to get out. no people have been able to get out. >> that's right. >> 1,000 people are being blocked by hamas. i have been saying that since this program began today. >> they have -- you are quite right. hamas and i think somebody said hamas is essentially holding the entire people of gaza hostage. i think that's true. there are thousands of foreign national hamas is not letting out. you have nationals from countries around the world that are desperate to get out of gaza. we want them to leave. egypt said they will allow them to leave. hamas doesn't want them to leave. they are holding them hostage. this is why the international community has to use this moment

and the atrocity on october 7, the worst attack against jews since the holocaust and is equivalent to 20 9/11s. we have to stop this so-called cycle. hamas use people as human shields and israel defends itself against terrorism and those innocents are killed, the whole world comes down on israel instead of coming down on hamas. see a u.n. security council meeting to condemn hamas. that hasn't happened. the worst attack against jews since the holocaust. that's shameful. i'm glad to say the president of the united states and the secretary of state of the united states are standing with israel at this very difficult time. >> you are correct, they there has not been a u.n. vote to condemn what happened on october

7th. there has been widespread criticism in the u.s. of that. absolutely correct. i want to ask you about reporting in israel that the former and current musad chiefs made a trip to qatar over the weekend to talk about hostages. can you give us anything at all on this very important possible breakthrough? >> since i'm an observer in the war cabinet, i don't want to get into details. i can tell you that we are tryingverything to bring those hostages back. we had an operation the other day which we were able to free one of the hostages with an operation. we also had four who were released before that. we would like to see if we can hopefully find an agreement to allow these hostages to be

returned to their families. we believe that the military operation that is right now happening in the north has increased the pressure on hamas. so it's both enabling us to eliminate hamas' military, to end its rule in gaza and ensure gaza no longer presents a threat and poses a threat to israel. but we think it's accelerating or increasing the chances, i should say, of hopefully getting some sort of an agreement to release the hostages. >> you don't think that this military operation might further endanger the hostages? that's a view expressed by some of the hostage families, as you know. there's been political criticism against the operation within israel. >> that's not the assessment of our experts in dealing with this. i think the operation -- there's always risks whenever you do a military operation, of course. our assessment then and today is

it actually increases the chances and the prospects of getting to an agreement. i'm not sure that the rescue operation that happened the other day would have happened had we not actually gone in and started our military operation. >> thank you very much. you are a very important voice. we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you. here in washington, fighting stance. the new speaker of the house getting ready to fight the white house on the issue of getting aid to ukraine. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. rts" onlc [coughing] copd isn't pretty. [coughing] i'm out of breath, and often out of the picture. (♪♪) but this is my story. (♪♪) and with once-daily trelegy, it can still be beautiful. (♪♪) because with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open for a full 24 hours and prevents future flare-ups.

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in his first act as house speaker, mike johnson is pki a fight with president biden. house republicans are proposing a $4.3 billion military aid package for israel, but are not proposing any money at all for ukraine. white house requested. the speaker's bill proposed the israel funding be paid for by cutting that amount of money, the same amount from legislation that house republicans had agreed to, it's approved, it's a law for the president's irs crackdown on wealth tax evaders. >> i understand their priority is to bulk up the irs. i think if you put this to the american people and they weigh the two needs, i think they're going to say, standing with israel and protecting the innocent over there is in our

national interest and is a more immediate need than irs agents. >> joining me now is democratic congresswoman madeleine dean of pennsylvania. thank you for being with us. let's talk about this bill. it's just the israel money but nothing for ukraine. the administration proposed a bigger bill, israel, ukraine, border security. is this going to fly? what's going to happen in the house when you come back tomorrow? >> good to be with you, andrea. i'm very disappointed with this bill. i hoped and have hope that any speaker of the house will take his or her responsibilities incredibly seriously, especially at this time in the world order and in our domestic issues. this is an unserious proposal, both in its scope and in the source of its funding. by way of scope, i mean $14 billion for military aid for

israel. as you know and as the president and secretary have laid out, they have asked for $100 billion for israel, for gaza, for humanitarian aid, for ukraine and military aid as well as dollars for the border. these are serious times. we need serious people. sadly, our new speaker of the house with this opening gambit showed how unserious he is. it's not just the scope of it and the few dollars it represents, but it's the source. how cynical to try to take $14 billion from the irs funding that we know is actually working to collect tax dollars from those who were not paying their taxes, corporate tax dollars that were due and owed rightfully by the laws of the united states, how is it the speaker of the house decided to

cheat the irs revenues to pretend to support israel? that's not support for israel. >> i want to ask you also about the rising number of incidents, the threat of anti-semitism, problems on campuses, as well as islamaphobia around the country. >> i'm greatly worried about it, andrea. i was a professor for ten years on a college campus here in philadelphia. i know your connection to our philadelphia universities as well. i care desperately about our education system. but we must do everything in our power, whether in academia or just in the community, to call out anti-semitism, to call out islamaphobia wherever it exists. i'm thinking so much, andrea, after thesebarbaric attacks by hamas, and how that's

incendiary to these bigoted attacks, anti-semitic attacks that simply must be unacceptable throughout the world. i hope you know that i have called for a humanitarian pause, a cease-fire in order to get humanitarian aid to the people of gaza. we cannot have innocent life snuffed out. what i think of as three hs. we have to make sure that the hostages are returned. we have to make sure there is humanitarian aid, humanitarian safe zones, what mr. net an yaw yahoo said is not true. unicef has identified 2,300 children dead in gaza, innocent civilians. as we mourn and grieve over the

barbaric slaughter in israel, we must tell israel, make the moral choice to protect innocent civilian life, to lift up the gazans trapped in this unbelievable space. >> congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you very much. hope for the hostages. we will check back with the father waiting for word on his two young daughters, his wife and mother-in-law kidnapped. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪

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there were tears and shouts of joy monday as the israeli soldier rescued by the idf from inside gaza was reunited with her family. her mother says she prayed for the remaining hostages whose families are demanding answers from israel's government. a wife, two young daughters were forced into a pickup truck by hamas gunmen and driven into gaza. his daughter, who should be playing with friends in kindergarten, is 5. the other daughter is 3. the 67-year-old grandmother was dictated with them. he joins us now. it's good to see you. do you have any hope that one of the idf prisoners did get out, they were rescued by israel, what hope do you have,

especially with all this bombing today in the north? >> hello. first of all, my mother-in-law, my daughter's grandmother, unfortunately died. she was abducted at first when she was abducted. two days later we discovered that she got killed somehow during the kidnap. >> i'm so sorry. i did not know. my condolences. >> many people still, because we have so -- we have so many hostages. unfortunately, also, people got killed. it's updating every day. for your question, you know, i'm

afraid as a father and have no interest of harming any child in anywhere on earth. i think that releasing the hostages should be first priority to everyone. this is the real victory to bring them back home for me, for our people, i think. this is the meaning of victory. we don't want to bomb or hurt or harm, especially not population or children. i don't want any children -- any child to suffer no matter where he is from. >> we also know from israel's reporting -- it was not denied by the minister -- that the two musad leaders made a secret trip

to qatar and the persian government, which funds hamas along with iran, and which houses hamas leaders right there in doha. does that mean there are active negotiations going on? >> first of all, i am not 24/7 around the news. i don't have any messages like on telegrams. when something happens, there are people that are helping me. they just let me know. i don't know what exactly happened during this releasing. i'm only happy for the family who got her daughter back. for everyone who got released before, i was happy to hear about it. how can i not be happy? >> well, we really hope that

some good news will come soon about your wife and the two little girls. we will stay in touch. wish you all the best. thank you for talking to us today. the warning signs. the head of the fbi bringing a note of caution about how violence in the middle east could stir up extremists here at home. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. uces... even marinades! and now there's the culinary collection! italian herb for pasta... smoky chipotle for fajitas... it's like the deliciousness never ends! make everything better with better than bouillon! oh... stuffed up again? so congested! you need sinex saline from vicks. just sinex, breathe, ahhhh! what is — wow! sinex. breathe. ahhhhhh! (♪♪)

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domestic extremists targeting jewish or muslim communities. we cannot and do not discount the possibility that hamas or another foreign terrorist organization may exploit the current conflict to conduct attacks here on our own soil. not just homegrown violent extreme i haves inspired by a foreign terrorist organization. >> senator jackie rosen, who is jewish, spoke during the hearing and later to reporters about a man arrested for leaving voicemails threatening to assault the nevada senator. >> i'm feeling the same as jews are feeling all around the world, under attack and under threat. i have full confidence in our department of justice and law enforcement to work on this case. but frankly, students across the country k through 12, college campuses, look at the protests around the world. jews are feeling under attack.

>> joining us now is ken dilanian. ken, what else do we know about what this man in nevada and with the fbi director had to say? >> this las vegas man has charged. among the threats was a vow to finish what hitler started. symptomatic of what we are seeing and what the fbi director said is a heightened threat environment. he said that the situation, the ahamas attack raised it to another level. the actions of hamas and their allies could serve as an inspiration the likes of which we haven't seen since i.s.i.s. launched its so-called caliphate several years ago. the biggest risk is from homegrown individual extremisted who are radicalized online. take a listen.

>> the jewish community is uniquely targeted by pretty much every terrorist organization across the spectrum. when you look at a group that makes up 2.4% roughly of the american population, it should be jarring to everyone that that same population accounts for something like 60% of all religious-based hate crimes. they need our help. >> in terms of what are they doing about it? he said there are several investigations ongoing into hamas and hamas operatives. they are stepping up security all around the country. >> there's islamaphobia. we saw a picture -- there it is. that poor child. the 6-year-old murdered by the family's landlord, stabbed in what was characterized as a hate crime. >> absolutely horrific incident. he did speak to that as well.

this is -- there's equal opportunity hatred around the late. the fbi is at a state of heightened vigilance. >> ken dilanian, thank you very much. whispered in gaza, as millions of palestinians endure the bombings in gaza, some are finding a way to speak out, despite the heavy hand of hamas. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. with boost infinite, get iphone 15 pro with titanium and save up to 40% on your monthly bill. transcend to a wireless utopia and experience america's smart network. with unparalleled coverage from three of the nation's top wireless networks. no trade-in needed to get iphone 15 pro with titanium on us. save up to 40% on your monthly bill and enjoy the latest iphone every year with unlimited wireless. (♪♪) we have generations of low riding in our family. (♪♪)

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animated illustrations. here is some examples. [ speaking in a global language ] [ speaking in a global language ] >> joining us now is the project's creator and president of the center for peace communications, joseph rowdy, and back with us, former ambassador janice ross. so, joseph, you are breaking

through the communications blackout, you have been speaking with gazans through this war. what is your ultimate goal for the project? >> well, these are voices that want to be heard, andrea. no one in gaza who opposes hamas, which is the majority of the population, can speak openly without fear of retribution for themselves and their families. so we were looking for a way to give them a platform, so that they could tell the world how they really feel, what it is like to live under hamas rule for nearly a generation. and that was the purpose of this project. >> and ambassador ross, 80% of gazans live in poverty, but hamas is well funded. they get millions every month from qatar, more from iran. they control every aspect of life in the gaza strip. let's listen to how one civilian described hamas' control of the hospital through the whispered gaza project.

[ speaking in a global language ] >> so, the gist of that for those of our friends on satellite radio is that hamas families get priority in getting into hospitals for treatment. hamas loyalists. right? >> hamas loyalists get treated in a preferential way in every conceivable manner. andrea, one of the things we talked about is all of the so-called 300 miles of underground tunnels, are they used to protect palestinian civilians? i was speaking to one of the people i know in gaza a couple of days ago in the war and she was lamenting the fact that she and her -- were exposed, but she

said you know where all the hamas leadership is, they're all underground, they're in the tunnels. the tunnels are not there to protect the palestinian public, they're there to protect only the hamas officials. so you see, again, the contrast, what whispers in gaza shows what it is like to live under hamas. hamas is, as i said earlier in the show, they hold their whole population hostage and in the meantime they do things that serve the hamas purposes, but not their public's purposes. >> joseph, let's play more from your collection, this is on how hamas tries to silence palestinians. [ speaking in a global language ] [ speaking in a global language ] >> and saying they beat them, abused them, put them in jail.

are these brave palestinians the future of gaza? what is the hope really for israel achieving its goal of eliminating not only hamas leaders, and their soldiers, their terrorists, but the people who may well now become radicalized by the crushing blows of the israeli assaults, the offense? >> sure, i mean, the hope and the great challenge is to enable these young people in gaza, a thousand of whom demonstrated against hamas in 2019, braving gunfire and prison, to find a way that they can survive this war and go on to participate in a technocratic government that is oriented toward reconstruction. they want to do that. the ongoing series we're releasing to free press now, we have someone who is going to be telling the story of youth committees now being formed to try to move aid into the hands

of the people who need it so that hamas can't take it away. so, yes, this leadership exists. there is courage within gaza among proponents of hamas. they speak for the majority of the population when they dare to raise their hands and the challenge is to enable them to play a role in the future of gaza after this war. >> and, dennis ross, our teams on the hill have just seen the secretary blinken going into speaker johnson's offices. so, there is going to be a summit if you will, between america's top diplomat, and the new house speaker, who has eliminated ukraine funding from the administration's proposal. >> yeah, it is very disturbing because you're seeing an assault on freedom in ukraine, and obviously you're seeing an unbelievable set of massacres in israel, they're designed to prevent peace in the middle

east. it is very important from a national security standpoint that we approach this as a unified way, the more unified we are on these kinds of issues, the rest of the world will take notice. >> dennis, you've been -- you had to navigate the hill for many, many decades. the fact is that house republicans are pretty much alone on this because mitch mcconnell has the senate republicans and many democrats are pushing for ukraine aid. >> it is striking. in the past, andrea, there was a real center and the republicans were leaders in terms of national security, they saw the importance of american power, they saw the role we had to play internationally, one hopes that one still sees that in the senate, one hopes that there can be that kind of influence for people like mcconnell on their republican colleagues in the house. we're living in a very dangerous world and the less role we play, the more dangerous it becomes, the greater our role, the more secure it can become. >> dennis ross, i want to thank

you you so very much. ambassador dennis ross and joseph braude. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the s on social media at mitchell reports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. life, hanging by a thread. those are the words of a u.n. official who says more than 10,000 gazans, cancer patients, pregnant women, premature babies, could die as basic supplies run out. and that's to say nothing of the increasing bombardment as israeli forces close in on gaza city. or the massive explosion at a refugee camp just outside it. we have got the latest coming up. plus, an historic hearing and possible test case for whether donald trump should make it on to the presidential ballot next year. his opponents say his role in january 6th