ambassador dennis ross and joseph braude. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the s on social media at mitchell reports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. life, hanging by a thread. those are the words of a u.n. official who says more than 10,000 gazans, cancer patients, pregnant women, premature babies, could die as basic supplies run out. and that's to say nothing of the increasing bombardment as israeli forces close in on gaza city. or the massive explosion at a refugee camp just outside it. we have got the latest coming up. plus, an historic hearing and possible test case for whether donald trump should make it on to the presidential ballot next year. his opponents say his role in january 6th should get him

barred. his lawyer argues it was all free speech, and in fact in the lawyers' words, it wasn't like trump carried a pitch fork to capitol hill. but is that the legal bar? and a $100 billion battle escalating on capitol hill. the aid to israel and ukraine is, in the words of our top diplomat, all part of one fight. but a lot of house republicans, including the new speaker, are trying to split that money into two bills. democratic senator bob casey of the intelligence committee joins me on the controversy and the possible consequences in just a minute. but we start in gaza, where the u.n. says an immediate humanitarian cease-fire has become a matter of life and death for millions. and there are now reports coming in of explosions in a refugee camp, right on the fringes of gaza city. in the words of that chief u.n. official, quote, the scale of the horror they're experiencing in gaza is hard to convey. he said people are becoming more

desperate by the hour. at least four u.n. warehouses have been looted now, and they have been knocked out of action. clean water is running out. one man told the bbc he waited in line for six hours to receive five pieces of bread to feed his family. and it is not just the people who live in gaza who are suffering, new details indicate some of the 240 hostages are at increasing risk the longer they're held. one grouped arow cating for their release says he life threatening condions. three boys, a 5-year-old, including a 5-year-old are autistic and need special care. a 60-yeaol man has ms. an 85-year-old woman has heart failure and several others have breast cancer. their families worry the relentless push by israeli troops deep into gaza could threaten their chances of being rescued alive. overnight, new word that israel is closing in on gaza city from three sides, sparking large urban battles, and now that

report of an explosion in a refugee camp. i want to bring in nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel. what can you tell us about that refugee camp and what is happening on the ground right now? >> reporter: so, we just spoke with a hospital official from the indonesian hospital, which is one of the main hospitals there, and they are putting some clarity on the numbers. medical officials there talking about dozens of dead, hundreds injured. the ministry of health, which is run by hamas, is putting the death toll much higher and the higher death toll and higher casualty count are being reported on arab news stations across the region. so, a significant event and one that is getting -- being described all across the arab world, if you watch the arab stations as a massacre. it has the ability already and is already enflaming tensions. to set the scene of what happened, you mentioned the

refugee camp. gaza city is the largest city in northern gaza strip. had a population of about 800,000 before the war. jabalia was separate from the camp, it is a refugee camp. but you think of refugee camp, don't imagine tents. this is a refugee camp that has been there since 1948, a built up area, built to house palestinians who are originally in israel, and who were forced to leave when the war -- israel's war of independence happened in 1948. some of those people from areas like where i am right now in southern israel moved into gaza, they set up this refugee camp, the jabalia refugee camp, the largest of all the refugee camps, 100,000 people in one square mile. very densely populated area, one of the most densely populated areas in the world. several hours ago, there were several large air strikes. we saw three craters, i could

see from the video i've seen, from multiple angles, what seemed to be three very deep craters. we're talking 50 feet deep at least. the kind of craters left by a bunker buster type bomb. and the buildings around this crater are shattered. and there is -- that is -- it seems where most of the death and injuries were caused. the numbers have been in dispute, but, again, the latest numbers that we have, that we haven't been able to independently confirm, but they come from the medical official at the nearby hospital is talking about dozens killed and hundreds injured. >> is there any way, richard, that the death count would not be significant, given the number of people as you say who live in such a small area, have refugees there have not been able to leave, right? so if there were 100,000 people there, chances are there were at least close to that when this hit.

>> reporter: well, dozens injured is -- dozens killed is a high death count. i mean, we're talking did dozens of people who -- who died and the hundreds injured. right now the medical system in gaza has effectively collapsed. the hospitals that are working or barely working, the little fuel that is left in gaza right now is being directed to the hospitals. but most people in gaza don't have any fuel or electricity at all. they're using solar panels, which generally work during the day. some people have generators and have been rationing the last little bits that they have. but generally there is no -- not much power, very little fuel in gaza at all. so, the medical care at those hundreds of injured would be receiving is good to be insufficient or subpar, certainly less than it would be under normal circumstances. this is a mass casualty event. it is not isolated. there are attacks in civilian

builtup areas throughout the gaza strip. and we have been talking to our teams and this was -- this is not an isolated incident. there have been many attacks on buildings and built up areas in gaza, since the -- over the last several days, in particular since this ground phase of the israel campaign has begun. israel says the reason it is attacking in gaza is to defeat hamas and accuses hamas of using the people who still live in gaza as human shields. and that it deliberately puts its tunnels and military infrastructure under apartment buildings, under hospitals, under schools in order to protect their fighters and says the more graphic images there are, the more the arab world is enflamed, the more it helps hamas. this is a mass casualty event, which our teams inside say is not isolated. >> devastating for sure.

richard engel, thank you. as this humanitarian crisis deepens, the u.n. is pushing israel to open a second border crossing with gaza to get more aid in, more quickly. and nbc's raf sanchez is in ashdod, israel. how much of an impact would another border crossing for aid make? do we have a sense of that? >> reporter: so, chris, as you know, what little aid has trickled into gaza has come over the egyptian border through the rafah crossing and what the u.n. is suggesting is that israel opens up a second crossing on its own border into gaza. this would be at a place called karem sa loam, near the egyptian border. it is during peace time one of the main transfer points for goods to flow into gaza from israel. the israelis are saying there is two problems with this suggestion. one, the crossing was severely damaged during the october 7th attack by hamas. and, two, israel's leaders from

benjamin netanyahu on downwards said no humanitarian aid is going to go from israel into gaza as long as the hostages are still being held. israel is saying, aid can go from egypt, but they will not allow aid to go from israel. now, since those statements have been made by the israelis, they have come under massive pressure from the biden administration to allow more aid in, we heard secretary blinken up on the hill earlier today talking about how the amount of aid that is coming through right now is inadequate. the israeli position seems to have softened somewhat, they seem to accept they are going to have to allow more aid in, especially given we're now looking at what looks like it is going to be a very, very long israeli ground offensive inside gaza. more of a siege of the northern half of the gaza strip than a kind of lightning all-out assault. the big question, chris, even if all of these objections could be cleared, the second crossing could be open, are the israelis

going to allow fuel into gaza? palestinian officials, u.n. officials, humanitarian groups are all saying, fuel is the life blood in this situation. the lights are going to go out in the hospitals if they do not get diesel for power generators. if they do not have fuel, they cannot distribute the aid that gets through the rafah crossing that could potentially come to the karem shalom crossing. no fuel is going into gaza because they say it will end up in the hands of hamas, it will be used as part of hamas' war effort. so, what we are hearing from humanitarian officials from palestinians on the ground, the key issue right now is the fuel. and unless that gets in, nothing else matters. >> raf sanchez, thank you so much. i want to bring in jack jacobs, vietnam veteran and recipient of the congressional medal of honor and msnbc military analyst. jack, let me start with whatever happened as we tried to get the details of exactly what happened

at the jabalia refugee camp. what do you make of richard engel's assessment of the type of bomb used and also you to think there is a legitimate concern this is going to even further enflame pro-palestinian forces worldwide? >> well, pro-palestinian forces don't need any excuse to be enflamed as we have seen around the world and even in the united states. with respect to the bomb damage assessment, it certainly -- those holes could certainly have been -- craters could have been created by the kind of munitions that have delay fuses on them that penetrate buildings and explode down in the base of the building. but they also could have been the result of munitions stored under the building and exploded. it is impossible to tell from the video whether it was one or it was the other.

the other thing to keep in mind that is that it is extremely difficult in this -- in a war of any kind let alone a war like this to be as surgical as people expect them to be as they have seen in movies and their expectations are unrealistic. as we said many times before, the good guys have guns, the bad guys have guns, the civilians are caught in the middle. every single war has been exactly like this. and there hasn't been a war in which innocent civilians haven't been killed and wounded and this is no exception, chris. >> and the question is what next. we're getting video of the israeli troops inside urban areas. explain about the dangers involved there, the tactics israel will employ and any advantages you think hamas may have. >> the advantage always goes to the defender in any tactical environment and the rule generally is that the attacker needs a three to one majority in

order to overcome or least have a chance of overcoming an enemy in an entrenched position. this is far worse. and there are two reasons why it is more difficult for the advancing force to prevail. one is that the -- it is in a builtup area. it is not wide open terrain and so you need a bigger offensive majority. and, second, as you can see, all of gaza is rubble in the north, north of the wadi. that is positive for the defense as well. as a result, the idf is almost undoubtedly using the kind of tactics in which they isolate areas, hoping to get hostages out, and/or eliminate hamas, before moving on to other areas. this is extremely labor intensive. and time intensive. we heard from everybody that this is going to take a long time. no matter what happens.

and it is also casualty intensive. this is the kind of environment which -- in which there are going to be a lot of casualties. but most significantly it is going to take a lot of time and we heard how difficult it is for noncombatants, lack of food, fuel, water and so on, it just makes it even more difficult. but on the other hand, israel has committed to eliminating hamas and there is no gain saying their ability to and the requirement for them to do exactly that, chris. >> the u.s. now, jack, is reporting that more of the u.s. military bases are coming under attack. the number we just got roughly two dozen, only in the last couple of weeks. defense secretary austin talked about that, just a short time ago. here is what he said. >> we have been clear. president has been clear and i have been clear that if that -- if this doesn't stop, then we

will respond. and so we remain -- we maintain the right to respond, we have a capability to do that. and we will respond at a time and place of our choosing. >> so what does the u.s. do now? >> well, the american forces already have targets set up. they know exactly where they want to attack, where there are concentrations of terrorists and iranian-backed militias. they know their locations. when they move, we can pick them up again through a wide variety of intelligence means. and it is just a question of when the united states actually wants to respond. probably the independent variable is not another attack because they have been plenty of them, two dozen, three dozen. there have been many dozens of attacks. the independent variable will be the death of one or more americans. if that happens in an attack, then there will be an escalation and the united states will respond by attacking a variety

of targets in a variety of places that will link to iran. chris? >> colonel jack jacobs, good to see you, my friend, thank you so much. up next, history playing out in a colorado courtroom today. e argument colorado lawyers are using to try to keep donald trump off the ballot for 2024. and how his lawyers are responding. we're back in just 60 seconds. responding we're back in just 60 seconds. whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪ my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day

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here are those arguments. >> this was an insurrection that trump led. as we have seen, he summoned and organized the mob. he gave the mob a common purpose, disrupt mike pence's certification of the election. >> frankly, president trump didn't engage, he didn't carry a pitch fork to the capitol grounds, he didn't lead a charge, he didn't get in a fistfight with legislators, he didn't goad president biden to going out back and having a fight. he gave a speech, in which he asked people to peacefully and patriotically going to capital to protest. >> carol lenning is an investigative reporter for "the washington post," barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney, both msnbc contributors. great to have you here. the key question isheth trump -- it prohibits those who swore an oath touphold the constitution and engaged in an insurrection against it from

holding higher office. no person having previously taken an oath support the tuti of the united states shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same or give aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. so, what will the judge be looking at, barbara, to determine whether or not he aided in an insurrection? >> well, there are a lot of unanswered legal questions at issue here, chris. it applies to officers of the united states. does that include the president of the united states? what does it mean to engage in insurrection or rebellion? what does it mean to provide aid and comfort to the enemies? is it enough for 187 minutes the president who has the power to disband the mob fails to do so? all of those legal issues will be in front of the judge. they're also factual issues. she has to make findings of fact about what the president actually did to see whether this is true. and another important thing is,

i think many people might agree it is better to let the voters decide in a democracy, this is a constitutional provision that doesn't really offer any discretion to the judge. upon a finding that these factors are met, it says the person is disqualified from office. so, a lot of really important legal issues here before this judge. >> well, at the trial, and just the last hour, we asked how a word would be received and i'm talking about the fact, let me go back to my notes here, he had argued that trump used the word fight 20 times in this speech to supporters on the ellipse. here was the answer to that back and forth with olson. >> how would extremists understood trump's repeated calls to in thatspeech? >> a call to violence. >> why? >> it is within far right extremist culture, fighting is meant to be taken literally.

>> so, carol, that's one particular question on that one particular word, but you know the days leading up to january 6th extraordinarily well. you reported on them extensively. what do we know from your reporting to congressional testimony that might support an argument that donald trump was engaged in an insurrection? >> well, to the more narrow point of what did donald trump do to incite the ultimate riot, i agree with barbara the word insurrection, the phrase give comfort to a rebellion, these are legal issues that i will not settle. but i would say that in terms of inciting a riot, there were a number of things that donald trump did to encourage the violence on that day. one example that i found the most striking was that he had planned for some time to join an illegal march on the capitol,

for weeks before the certification fight, essentially, that turned into an attack on the capitol, like one we have never seen, he was planning to join folks who did not have a permit, his supporters, in walking up to the capitol. when he learned he was going to basically be told that he should not do that, he was furious. absolutely furious that he could not join and essentially lead them there. so his intentions, his motives were to help lead a group up to the capitol who eventually broke down the doors and attacked police. and another really important piece of information in this context, chris, and you know it well, is that when donald trump was warned and briefed the day of january 6th that many of his supporters trying to get into or staying just outside the ellipse were carrying weapons, firearms,

batons, bulletproof vests, canisters of tear gas, and other sort of rough fashioned spears, if you will, when he was notified of this, he said, so what. he said let them into the ellipse, let them come to my rally, i want to lead them to the capitol. the fact that the president of the united states has called people on december 19th to washington to be wild, and to stop the steal, essentially, to interrupt the certification, is then a drive that they are armed to the teeth and wants to still take the capitol, certainly builds a narrative and a picture of someone who kind of knows what is going to go down. >> i want to go to something else that we have learned, that the u.s. attorney in georgia has indicted a man for threatening fulton county d.a. fani willis. there was a voice mail message and the man warns, i would be very afraid if i were you because you can't be around people all the time that are

ing to protect you. the indictment also charges that the man threatened the county sheriff, he warned, if y take a mug shot of president trump, some bad stuff is going to happen to you. how important is it, given the threat that so many people in the justice system feel right now that indictments like this are being put forward? >> i think it is critically important, chris. you got send a message of deterrence and consequences for this kind of rhetoric because too often rhetoric leads to action. and even when it doesn't lead to action, the mere fact that people are under threat can have an intimidation effect and chilling effect on their abilities to do their jobs. and so, sometimes it is difficult for prosecutors to file these charges when a threat is vague. it requires what is known as a true threat, that is a specific harm to a specific purpose. but when prosecutors are confronted with that type of a situation, it is important they take them seriously and charge

them so they can send that message to the rest of society we take these kinds of threats very seriously. >> thank you, both. good to see you. we have breaking news, in a story we told you about yesterday, new york governor kathy hochul now says law enforcement has identified a person of interest as part of the investigation made into anti-semitic threats at cornell university. she said the individual is currently in the custody of the new york state police and is being questioned. it comes after the university said threats of violence targeting jewish students were posted online over the weekend. and next hour, i'll be talking to two editors of the cornell student newspaper about what life is like on that campus right now. in washington, the new republican speaker is waging his first big battle and it is over funding for israel. but it is where he's advocating to take the money from that is causing a lot of the argument because even fellow republicans

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in its first big move as house speaker, mike johnson is picking a fight with democrats, the white house and even some of his fellow republicans over funding for israel. the $14.3 billion in emergency funding for israel pays for itself by taking the same amount

from irs funding from the inflation reduction act. garrett haake is on the hill for us. also with me, republican strategist and msnbc political analyst susan del percio. garrett, hot topic, obviously. i understand secretary of state antony blinken just walked out of the speaker's office. any updates there, how long was he in there, did he say anything coming out? bring us up to speed. >> reporter: the secretary spent the morning on the senate side of the complex here, trying to basically make the case for that much bigger $105 billion aid package that would include aid to israel and ukraine and the border. after leaving senators, he decided to drop by the new speaker's office, in there for about 25 minutes. as far as i can tell, this may be the first time these two men have ever spoken. blinken wasn't talking about the meeting on the way out, just a good meeting. he has his work cut out to convince mike johnson to abandon this plan to do just an israel alone aid package, $14 billion

as you said. he's hoping to make the argument as are some senate republicans that the way it is structured is basically a poison pill, it is not enough because it doesn't include the aid for ukraine and the cuts to the irs which don't pay for themselves, but end up costing the government money, are purely political. now, house republicans still largely like johnson's version but over on the senate side, the response is much chillier, even from fellow republicans. near here is some of what we heard today about that bill's fate should it make it to the upper chamber. >> i support the package staying together. i think secretary blinken and austin gave a good answer of why we should not break it apart. >> i would love to cut the irs. we're going to cut something, by all means, let's cut the irs, but let's get israel aid done. that would be my first priority. >> if we have a piece of legislation that becomes law, it is going to include support for ukraine as well as israel. reducing the irs doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

the reason we have the irs is to make sure people pay their taxes. that's our source of revenue. >> at the bottom line, the best way to think about this, aid for israel is the most popular thing moving through either chamber of congress right now. what gets attached to it or stripped out will be the thing to watch. mike johnson called this first draft of aid legislation. lawmakers in both parties want to get a final draft to the president's desk by thanksgiving. so there is some time to sort this out. >> all right, thank you so much, garrett. susan, if the irs provisions are almost guaranteed, they're guaranteed to be rejected by the senate, by the white house, by lots of republicans, we heard from them, what is the house speaker doing? >> i don't know. it is really, if that's his first draft, it is a bad first draft. i'm not sure who it was there to please. and maybe he -- i'm going to give the new speaker benefit of the doubt that clearly he's not ready for primetime or he

wouldn't have come up with that deal if you will. but -- >> or is he just appeasing, knowing it is not going to happen, but appeasing the folks who brought him to the dance? >> that's where i think it will go is that he had to do something and say i want to cut something, a pay for, as we call it. it is the wrong time. you don't do pay fors during international crises, like we have in israel and ukraine. it was just a bad political move, totally tone deaf, but the speaker also knows, not only does very to have israel aid go through, hold a vote on ukrainian aid, he's got to get a budget -- something done before november 17th to get the government funded and moving forward, even if it is just for a continuing resolution. and he knows he's going to need democrats to help him do it. so at end of the day, he knows he's going to get -- have to govern to do a lot of these things, and maybe he did what

you said, chris, tried to give some people a bone. >> well, i mean, you heard what garrett had to say, which is that if you look at the analysis by independent people, actually doing this would cost money because the advantage will likely go to the richest americans, to the billionaires. they'll have an opportunity either to get tax breaks or take advantage of tax breaks. so, it is a net loss that you claim you want to use that money to pay for it, number one. but also the american people aren't that dumb, right? they know what is happening here. is this something that is just going to -- again, perhaps appease the far right of his party, or could this backfire? >> i think it is both. i think he did this to appease the far right, but it is going to -- it is bad optics for any republican in a swing district or even beyond swing districts as garrett said, one of most

popular issues right now is support for israel. and that funding. so, why the speaker decided to kind of be flippant about it, i mean, tax collectors, in -- comparing that to the need of just such a significant time in our history, israel and ukraine, but i think at the end of the day, speaker gets maybe one more shot to get this to come through, right? because this time it was horrible. >> he's not going to have a lot of time left over to start dealing with whether or not the government keeps running. susan del percio, good to have you on the show. thank you. called pharmageddon, what is behind the wave of talkouts on the chain stores. n stores

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new questions today about whether more could and should have been done to prevent the deadly mass shooting in maine. records now confirming both the army reserve and maine sheriff's departments were aware that robert card's mental health was deteriorating and he threatened to shoot, just six weeks before he killed 18 people in lewiston. i want to bring in nbc's tom winter. we have new reporting about card's behavior around co-workers as well. what do we know? what is the new stuff? >> really detailed report, you can see a portion of it here from the sheriff's office, but

contained within this was a letter from his fellow army reservists explaining the behavior that led to him being checked into a mental health facility for 14 days over the summer. and any one of the things they bring up, the statements, the way he reacted to them, hearing voices, things he thought people were saying to him, which acording to this record were not correct, his history of slamming doors shut, staing into space for a period of time, people e he thought people were casing his trailer. it is clear from the sheriff himself, look, we thought we were doing the best we could. the family said they were going to take the guns from him, the army reserve said they had taken all the weapons from him, but we'll look at our wellness checks and how we do things.

throughout his law enforcement records, it says this person has mental health issues, they possess a gun. it is clear that the family in particular starting this past spring had deep concerns about his behavior, coupled with the reports from the army reservists, they paint a picture as you go through the documents of somebody who is in severe mental stress and had been drinking, has prior convictions for operating under the influence of maine. this is a person starting according to the family and law enforcement records his mental health started going downhill in a very steep way back in last january and it raises questions as to whether or not anybody should have particularly on the army reservist side picked up the phone and said, hey, we have a yellow flag, we have a lawful reason to separate this person from their guns because they might pose a threat to themselves or to others. so it certainly raises questions, particularly the threats specific to the saco national guard that he was going to shoot up the place.

would that have been a trigger in and of itself? were these missed signs? were these opportunities? i don't think they were missed signs at all. the signs were all there. were they taken advantage of within the confines of the law, it raises a big question. >> tom, thank you. good to have you on the show. the autoworkers strike is over. but a new strike dubbed pharmageddon is hitting major pharmacies across the u.s. this is day two of a three-day walkout with an estimated 4500 pharmacists and staff protesting at retailers like walgreens and cvs. since the pandemic, hundreds of pharmacies closed. a growing number of customers are seeking prescriptions, vaccinations, r tests and more. the 2021vey by the american tional alliance of state d pharmacy associations reporte 71% of pharmacistsheir workload as high or extremely high. and job satisfaction was at its lowest point in 20 years.

it is halloween, which means the white house opens its lawns to trick-or-treaters, a big party last night hosted by the president and first lady. the theme of the night, hallowread. administration officials read stories, jill biden handed out books, she was dressed up as her cat willow. but even avid readers have a sweet tooth. president is biden dropped candy into the kid's bags as well. he shared a pretend ice cream cone with one of the trick-or-treaters and took a selfie with a pirate. 8,000 people attended through the night including kids from local schools and military families. that's a fun night at the white house. still to come, a new warning from the biden administration from congress. why they say breaking up funding for israel and ukraine threatens our security. and in our next hour, the senate set to vote on president

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