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world and an international backlash against israel's proclaimed second phase, with growing concern about the safety of hostages, including ten americans. as the new speaker takes the gavel today, mike johnson is already under fire from senate republicans for removing all new ukraine war funding from the president's emergency spending bill. in favor of $14 billion for israel. the powerful republican house foreign affairs committee chairman michael mccall will join me life. donald trump junior will take the witness stand in the manhattan civil fraud trial one day after his father's appearance at a courthouse in downtown miami. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington with the first escape from gaza through the rafah crossing into egypt for at least a handful of americans since the war began. a small group of americans, u.s.

officials say fewer than ten, were finally able to get out after egyptian ambulances crossed into gaza to bring out injured gazans. desperate hostage families face new concerns about the safety of their loved ones as israel for the second day is pounding the northern refugee camp, causing massive devastation and an international outcry. the israeli military claims they were targeting an architect of the october 7 attacks that left more than 1,000 israelis dead. palestinian officials say hundreds of civilians were injured or killed in the strikes. nbc news cannot verify those numbers. secretary blinken will resume his shuttle diplomacy, heading tomorrow back to israel along with other stops in the region, not yet announced. joining me now, josh lederman in tel aviv and ben rhodes.

josh, how important is this development at the rafah crossing just hours after palestinian officials said that their health system has collapsed and about 1,000 wounded people need to be urgently evacuated? >> i think when we are covering a story like this that is such an unrelenting torrent of devastating news, there's time to take stock of the news where there's tidbits of positive news. the first foreign nationals able to escape, the gaza strip, including some americans. we obtained a list of 500 people allowed to leave. five were american aide workers. we don't know if all will get out. the gaza border crossing is extremely complicated. as of the most recent numbers that we heard from the rafah border officials on the gaza side, they said that about 335 foreign nationals had crossed

into egypt. for the first time since the war started, we are seeing injured palestinian civilians able to cross into the gaza strip to receive medical care on the egyptian side where there is now a field hospital that has been set up to receive them. they are going through quarantine and vaccinations. we are seeing an uptick over the last couple of days in the number of the humanitarian aid trucks being allowed into gaza. the big question, is this sustainable? will more injured be allowed to exit? even if there were five or more americans who made it out today, that's still a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of u.s. nationals believed to be in the gaza strip. it's unclear whether this pace of humanitarian aid will be able to be sustained and whether it can be even increased to the levels the u.n., the w.h.o. and other aid organizations say are needed right now. >> josh, we saw as i was just reporting more israeli strikes in the area near the refugee camp where we had all of the

devastation yesterday. there's an outcry. now jordan is asking israel to remove its ambassador, which is very unusual given the close relationship there between israel and jordan. the second arab country to strike a peace deal all those years ago. what are we hearing so far about what's happening in that area in the north? >> you are right, there's been a huge outcry not only from countries in the middle east, jordan, turkey, but also china condemning the strike on that refugee camp in northern gaza that's extended into the second day with new images coming out of additional israeli air strikes. just like with the explosion at that hospital a couple of weeks ago, we want to be cautious. some of the initial reports aren't always accurate or turn out to be questioned. we know according to hospital authorities that at a minimum, dozens have been killed and

hundreds have been injured. this is raising real difficult questions for israel, which acknowledged that it did strike this refugee camp. they say it was to go after ingrained hamas infrastructure and a senior hamas commander. but they also acknowledge that they knew that it would be likely or at least plausible there would be a lot of civilians there. a big question for israel and for its allies like the u.s., is it acceptable to go after hamas terrorists and commanders if you know that they are in a place where you are likely to have a significant number of civilian casualties and death as well? >> josh, thank you so much for all of your reporting. ben rhodes, your assessment of israel's phase two? netanyahu says that this is the best way to get the hostages, to be in on the ground, the sea, the air. it's such a major assault. is there a more targeted way as secretary of state blinken has been calling for? >> i think there is. i don't think that we should

accept that there's essentially a binary between israel doing nothing to respond to these horrific tacks and the ongoing threat and what we are seeing now. you have had 10,000 deaths. you have 2 million trapped in the space. they are not going to get out through the rafah crossing. you saw how difficult it was to get ten americans out. the egyptians are not going to allow it. the palestinians would be very wary of leaving gaza because they would think they would become permanently displaced. when you look at the kind of military operation that israel is setting up, surrounding parts of gaza with ground forces while continuing these bombardments, it's very difficult to see how a full-scale intervention on the ground in gaza, coupled with the air strikes, doesn't continue to have enormous civilian casualties, which will raise tensions in the west bank, with

other arab governments and make it harder for israel to sustain support from the world's democracies. it's hard to get the hostages out, presuming they are in the war zone. i think efforts to try to negotiate the lease of the hostages, while a more targeted campaign against hamas, a more sustained effort to get humanitarian aid in, which requires pauses. that's the kind of approach the u.s. is probably pressing. it's not the approach we have seen prime minister netanyahu doing. we have seen him occasionally let a few trucks in through the rafah crossing. it doesn't feel like a significant recalibration of how israel is doing this. >> secretary blinken said yesterday it's hamas that's been shutting off egress through rafah into egypt. in these final stages, for two weeks, the americans have been told -- they have been in limbo waiting there since secretary

blinken was told it would be open two weeks ago sunday. that said, is there a way to preserve the future of gaza? gaza is encircled. hamas cannot get out. they can rocket but they cannot get out given what's surrounding them. is there a way to pause -- this is what blinken is calling for -- and pursue negotiations? >> i think so. if you look at the countries who are part of the effort to get these first americans out, it was the u.s., israel, and then egypt, which has to manage that rafah crossing. they have to have people dedicated on the ground to make sure they allow people with american documentation to get through. then importantly, qatar. that indicates to me that the u.s. is obviously negotiating through qatar with hamas to try to get our people out. that indicates there's a channel that can deliver some results here. that's part of diplomacy. it's confidence building. it's indicating you can get some

hostages released, that means you might get more. i think that's the question about the hostages. the long-term question about gaza is that the unresolved issue about the long-term objective. israel wants to destroy hamas, which is a goal people could understand after what happened. at the same time, hamas fighters are intermingled with civilians. if you destroy the gaza strip, you are probably destroying the likelihood or possibility of a palestinian state. the question is, can you get arab states to support rebuilding something different in gaza with a different leadership than hamas while israel pursues a more targeted effort against hamas? i don't think the israelis have chosen to take that. >> ben rhodes, as always, thank you very much. the funding fight. the house is back in session this hour with a new speaker and a new battle over aid to israel and ukraine. the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee,

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newly elected house speaker mike johnson has started a feud with the white house and the senate over his decision to eliminate any money for the war in ukraine from the president's proposed supplemental request for ukraine and israel. he will meet with senate republicans over lunch today. the democratic majority leader declared his verdict on the proposal. >> the house gop proposal is not going anywhere. it's going to -- it's dead before it even is voted on. >> joining us now is the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee, mike mccaul. thank you for being with us. is there some running room to

negotiate maybe a smaller amount for ukraine, some combination so that this fight could be averted? there's so little time before november 17th. you still have to vote some kind of continuing resolution to keep the government open. >> i think your point is right. we have limited floor time right now. we're going to pass this measure on israel to show our support for israel. to your point, all these threats in my judgment are linked together. that's what i have told my leadership. that's what i told the white house. they agree that you cannot dissect putin from hamas from iran from china. they are all aligned together. therefore, i think at the end of the day, i think the senate is going to have a package that includes all these threats that we are seeing right now from putin in ukraine, from chairman xi in the pacific, to the

ayatollah in iran against israel and also the last line of defense being the border itself to secure the border so these threats can't come into the united states. i think that's the most logical way to present this argument. >> there's new information today, mr. chairman, from the cbo, the congressional budget office, that you know, that we are talking about 26.8, almost $27 billion shortfall. the proposal is to take the money from irs crackdown enforcement against wealthy taxpayers, evaders shall we say, that it's actually not budget neutral, nor should -- there is an argument this doesn't have to be budget neutral. it's a crisis. >> right. cbo scoring, they are calculating the amount of revenue that could be captured by more irs agents. i would have to beg to differ a little bit. i think wealthy people know they have attorneys and accountants.

having worked at the department of justice in the past and with the irs agents, who are very good, they are going to try to find cases. the ones that are easiest are probably the middle class to lower to upper income. those are the cases they will make. my side of the aisle, we need a victory on the house floor. i think the speaker is trying to hold this very fractured conference together. he thinks this is the best way to move forward to proceed with israel, take something that's very popular with republicans back home, and that is attacking the irs. this is our first opening salvo. it's not how the movie is going to end. i do think it's going to end with the four threats as i outlined put together coming over from the senate. >> that's very important context. let me ask you about what we are

seeing today. the handful maybe of americans getting out through that rafah crossing. the secretary of state has been working for two weeks on this. they have been in limbo. what is -- how do you interpret this against the counterpoint of the massive hits up north by israel? they say aimed at getting hamas leadership out of the tunnels. >> well, i mean, let's not forget who started this. hamas, a very deliberate terrorist attack. i've seen a lot of the video footage. it's actually just -- you know, it's horrifying to see what they did. i won't get into the graphics of it. having said that, i think what israel is doing now is a slow, deliberate campaign in the north and east. i think what's important to -- i talked to cindy mccain. they are very good in combat situations getting aid in. the trucks have gone from 14 to

now 100 of bringing medicine and food in. if you look at the battlefield right now and central gaza, you can see what the idf, the israeli troops are starting to do. they want to blockade northern gaza from southern gaza and then create a humanitarian zone, if you will, in southern gaza where i think this relief can be more readily deployed and to get people out of there as well. particularly the dual citizens that are both have american citizenship and palestinian. it would be great if egypt would take some of them or uae or saudi, but they won't. so we are kind of dealt with the cards we have. i think that's a strategy. >> i want to ask you about one of your colleagues, fellow

texas, kay granger is not seeking re-election. she was one of the leaders of the way to block jim jordan from becoming speaker. there's continuing fallout from that damaging speaker fight. right? >> well, i'm going to miss kay. i have known her for a long time. she finally reached the pinnacle. chairman of the -- chairwoman of the appropriations committee is the most powerful in the house. the power of the purse. it's been hard. when you are the lead appropriator under attack all the time, it's not easy. i'm going to miss her as a friend but also as an effective colleague. she's done a fantastic job trying to navigate these difficult waters in the house being the chairman of the

appropriations. she will always be my friend. i wish her the best. it's sad when you see the good ones leaving the house. we have many coming in. when the really good ones end up exiting, for me it's a sad moment. i just pay tribute and honor to her service to the country. >> finally, mr. chairman, how concerned are you about the fbi director's warnings yesterday that the red lights are flashing at a level not seen since the start of i.s.i.s. for an inspired lone actor here to commit some terror here in the homeland? >> i share that concern. when i chaired the homeland security committee, it was at a critical time when i.s.i.s. and the caliphate was really on the march, not only in syria and iraq and the middle east, but the inspired home grown attacks in the united states. we don't want to sew a repeat of

that, because i remember just the sermons being on the internet inspiring people in the united states to attack americans in the united states. i think he is correct. i think the threat is there. let's hope it doesn't escalate to that level. in the age of the internet and cyberspace, it's very easy to inspire attacks of the united states if you have a vision of killing. hamas is a terrorist organization. they are aligned with hezbollah, with iran itself. all roads lead to iran in this. i think iran has every intention to kill as many americans as they can. what better way than through homegrown attacks inspired over the internet? >> a lot there. congressman mike mccaul, thank you very much. appreciate it.

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the stakes are getting higher in donald trump's financial fraud trial in new york. s adult children are taking the stand in the next couple of days. don junior and eric were expected to testify today and tomorrow. that could be delayed. the former president and daughter ivanka are slated to testify next week with the trump organization facing the larger threat of being barred from doing business in new york. mr. trumps lashing out online saying, leave my children alone. overnight calling the judge a disgrace and new york's attorney general prosecutor racist, once again. joining me now former u.s. attorney and law professor,

barbara mcquade, and phil rucker, national editor for "the washington post." barbara, it's not clear whether don junior is going to take the stand. how useful or damaging could this testimony be for the adult children and for the organization? can they just plead the fifth and do that repeatedly, hundreds of times? >> i think it's going to be interesting to watch this. as we are seeing now, trial schedule management is more art than science. often times, despite the best planning effort, some testimony goes longer or shorter because of the cross examination of the opposing counsel that you can't really control or gauge. eventually, we will see all three trump -- the oldest trump children take the stand, as well as donald trump himself. i think it will be interesting to watch with regard to your question about invoking the fifth. this is a civil case and they cannot be prosecuted criminally. their statements under oath in this case could be used against them in some subsequent criminal case. for that reason, they are entitled to take the fifth if

they want to in answering any question. unlike a criminal case, the judge in the civil case may use that fact against them. the judge could draw an adverse inference about what the answer would have been if they decline to answer it based on the fifth amendment. it's fraught with a little peril here. they have to decide whether they want to answer or invoke their fifth amendment right, both of which present some adverse consequences. >> phil, "the washington post" is reporting that in his deposition in this case, eric trump tried to claim that one of the appraisers was a stranger, only to have that appraiser say, that's not true. the family does stand to lose a lot in this case based on how this testimony goes. >> that's right, andrea. a lot is on the line for the trump family, because so much of their wealth as well as their pride is tied up in the new york real estate portfolio. and all of that is up in the air at this moment, given this civil

case that's proceeding in new york. i think it's one of the reasons why former president trump has been so engaged in this case, has appeared in court so many days, and will probably appear again as you just referenced. my colleagues at "the washington post" have a great story on all of this out this morning detailing just how involved the former president has been in talking about this case. he has been talking to his son eric, who has been leading the trump organization businesses, as many as ten times a day, according to what some sources told my colleagues. i think that just speaks to how much is on line financially for the family. >> certainly seems to have engaged him more than any of the other cases. barbara, phil, thanks so much. coming up, the threat assessment. a stark warning from the head of the fbi saying the threat of attacks against americans here at home has been brought to another level since the start of the israel/hamas war. senator chris coons of delaware joins us on that just back from the region.

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a cornell university student is in custody and due in court later today in connection with violent online threats targeting jewish students at the university. it's the latest in an alarming rise in anti-semitic and islam islamaphobic incidents.

what do we know about this suspect from cornell and the threats that he allegedly made? >> court records say the suspect was a 21-year-old junior at cornell. the complaint says that he posted in an online discussion site threats and urging to kill and rape jewish people and a threat to shoot up a dining hall that caters predominantly to kosher diets. the complaint says he admitted to posting the threats after an interview with police and fbi. this is a charge that carries a maximum of five years in prison. he is expected to make an initial appearance on these charges today. >> this follows what you were covering yesterday. we did play it yesterday. wanted to play it again. the warning from the fbi director. let's hear it. >> the ongoing war in the middle east raised the threat of an attack against americans in the united states to a whole another level. it's a time to be concerned.

we are in a dangerous period. >> ken, this sounds serious. >> what was notable about chris wray's remarks is he is not a man prone to hyperbole. when he talked about the threat picture, he was not saying these things. i'm told what he is saying now is based on classified reporting that he sees every day. the threat picture has changed. it is very dangerous. the fbi and other agencies are very concerned about the online vitriol that's saturating the internet all over the world and what that might due to lone wolf extreists in the united states. a very deeply concerning situation. >> ken dilanian, thanks to you. joining us now is chris coons of the foreign relations and appropriations committees. he is back from israel and saudi

arabia. let me ask you about the warning from chris wray. what are you seeing and hearing from your briefings? >> this is why president biden took the decisive step of strengthening the resources available to campus police, to make sure that a threatening and rising tide of anti-semitism on college campuses is responded to appropriately and that we are also protecting americans against islamaphobia. i think we here in the senate should take up and pass legislation that's ready for action that would provide more resources for houses of worship, community centers so that we can thwart any potential rise in violent extremism here in the united states in response to the very powerful emotions being stirred up by the war in the middle east. >> we are seeing today the first movement at the rafah crossing, the first ambulances going in, bringing injured gazans out. we're told a handful of americans may have gotten out. there are hundreds of americans and their families waiting.

they have been trapped for two weeks in limbo since they were first told and secretary blinken was promised this would happen. what's the u.s. doing? who is the u.s. relying on to help get them out? >> this is the subject of constant and intense negotiations between egypt, the united states, israel, and frankly through qatar, hamas. getting all of the parties aligned on a variety of challenging issues. whether it's the release of the hostages being held by hamas. whether it's the thousand americans who are dual nationals or american citizens who are seening to escape from gaza. whether it's the provision of humanitarian relief into gaza. all of that is the regular subject of negotiations. we have a new on have a dealing with this directly. very season and experienced. i know that our embassies and missions throughout the region are actively engaged. on the bipartisan delegation

with which i traveled to egypt, saudi arabia, and israel, the weekend before last, we had a chance to be briefed by and to meet with our ambassadors or our chiefs in the region. we have very capable folks doggedly engaging around this issue. the release of hostages and getting americans out of gaza. >> now you have the strikes in the last couple of days, starting friday night really, but accelerating, and the strike on the refugee camp yesterday. we don't know how many casualties. those numbers aren't really confirmable. it's a devastating picture. you are seeing reactions. jordan asking the israeli ambassador there to leave. saudi arabia and their saudi officials meeting at the state department with the secretary. couldn't this affect any hopes for normalization or for any leadership -- arab leadership in gaza in the future? >> yes it could.

part of why our bipartisan delegation went to the middle east in the first place was to explore whether the possibility of recognition, reconciliation between the saudis and the israelis was still alive. after the horrific attacks by hamas on october 7th and israel launched a response, a campaign to try and root out hamas from gaza. as of this week, ongoing conversations between the kingdom of saudi arabia and our government suggests it's still a possibility. the conduct of the war in gaza by israel, the conduct by hamas, whether they release the hostages, how they respond, that is going to have an impact on how the communities and the street throughout the middle east responds. that, in turn, will affect whether or not the leaders in countries like saudi arabia, can pursue a path towards peace. my hope, andrea, is that the

ground phase of israel's war against hamas is relatively brief and targeted and that then they will turn towards a longer-term regional effort to end hamas. if they had real partners from the moderate arab states in squeezing out hamas financing, their access to resupply and to training and equipment from iran, who is really the regional source of funding and direction to a variety of different proxies, the hezbollah, hamas, if there were a regional effort, i think, there is still a path forward towards peace that would also include a path forward for the palestinian people. in the absence of that, i'm concerned this could become a grinding conflict without end. >> senator coons, thank you very much. up next, the missing. the family of an israeli mother dragged from her home by hamas,

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order in the subway app today. the last time anyone saw a 36-year-old woman was on october 7th near the gaza border. she thrust her 3-year-old daughter into her husband's arms as they jumps from a car and made a desperate attempt to run from their hamas captors. her husband and young daughter eventually did make it back. they were separated from her. there's been no word from her since. her siblings and extended family have turned their home into a makeshift command center leading protests to keep her store have i alive and meeting with political leaders hoping to find the young mother. that's what brings her cousin here to washington today. thank you for joining us. you are seeing senators. you are seeing senator graham today. you saw other senators

yesterday. you have been at the united nations. tell me, what do you know? do you know anything about the well-being of your cousin? >> we know nothing. that is actually one of our first requests is to try and get a sign of life from the hostages, which is something that hasn't happened so far. there are over 200 hostages, women, children, and we don't know what state they are in, which is just awful. a couple of days ago we learned that a young woman who was at the festival, who also has dual german citizenship, was discovered to be dead since the attacks. for the past three plus weeks, she's already been dead. her mother was with me in berlin advocating for her and talking to congress and trying to make -- to bring her case to the public. all this time her daughter was

actually already dead. it was just heartbreaking when we learned. that is our first request is to find out what's happening with our loved ones that we know nothing about. we don't even know for sure that hamas has her. we have no certainty around this case. that is our first request here. >> the international rules of war are that the red cross is supposed to get access to hostages and communicate with loved ones immediately. >> exactly. >> that's being ignored by hamas. the israelis keep updating the number of hostages. it's now 240. do they have names? do they have her on a list? >> she's on a list of hostages. the list is being updated because of new information and intelligence gatherings that i know are being gathered from different sources. yeah, she's now currently on the

list because she was seen by her husband. >> how did you feel when israel went into the second phase friday night with the ground assault and now today again major attacks on this refugee camp in the north? we don't know whether the hostages are in the tunnels underneath. yesterday's assault, the devastation. how did that make you feel? >> it's very hard. it's very confusing. initially, a few weeks ago, we thought a humanitarian deal was seconds away, was coming. we always said that we wanted to celebrate her birthday, which was a week ago, with her home. we ended up celebrating it at a bridge with 25,000 people and a rally to support israel. >> in germany? >> in germany, singing happy birthday to her. the fact that it's been so long is devastating. we keep -- it's very hard to

know what is the right action that should be taken by our government, by other governments. i don't know if we can trust the negotiations going on. i think that is what israeli government believes is that the negotiations were a stall tactic used by hamas. it's true that the psychological terror that we went through for the last weeks has been awful thinking they're going to release all the hostages one day and then, no, they're not releasing anyone. maybe they are releasing women and children. no. >> it's terrible. >> it is terrible. the ground assault is terrible but i don't know the right solution. >> netanyahu says that's the best way to get to them because they have to get to the tunnels. the air assault is cratering the tunnels. >> yeah. we don't know. all i can do is hope that everyone involved remembers that those are our loved ones there and really are doing everything

they can to bring them back to us. >> how is her husband and the baby, the 3-year-old doing? >> they're doing amazingly well considering. he is very dedicated. he is a very dedicated father. he has an amazing connection with his daughter. that's how he was able to hide for over 12 hours with this 3-year-old child without her making a sound. he told us that the only thing she told him was, it's too bad we didn't bring any water when they were hiding. she's amazing. you know, you can tell that she's going through something that no child should have to go through. she sometimes cries out for her mom and sometimes doesn't mention her at all because she feels that it's not safe to talk about yet. she's amazing and in many ways she keeps us all going. at home, we're all together. the war room is at our house

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today the powerful appropriations chair texas congress member kay granger has announced she's not seeking re-election. granger was a leader of the core group that blocked controversial judiciary chairman jim jordan from his ambition to become speaker. speaker mike johnson has exposed major divisions in his party over whether to continue funding the war in ukraine, and approaching a november 17th spending deadline just to keep the government open. joining me now is republican congressman ken buck of colorado who faced multiple death threats during the speaker fiasco after refusing to back jim jordan and is being evicted by his landlord, a major gop donor. again, buck, thank you, welcome. how are you feeling about the party as it tries to regroup following two damaging speaker battles exposing deep rifts. >> yeah, i think the party will come together. we obviously have a lot of

important issues with israeli funding, ukraine funding, the continuing resolution that we need to pass. i think there are a lot of major issues that we will unite behind. >> but how does it -- how do you unite behind decisions, complicated decisions with such a thin margin, what about your own role? >> yeah, i have decided, andrea, i'm not going to seek re-election. >> you too? >> yeah. i am joining kay and probably some others here in the near future. i've decided that it is time for me to do some other things. i always have been disappointed with our inability in congress to deal with major issues and i'm also disappointed that the republican party continues to, you know, rely on this lie that the 2020 election was stolen and rely on the january 6th narrative and the political prisoners from january 6th and other things. if we're going to solve difficult problems, we've got to deal with some very unpleasant truths or lies and make sure we

project to the public what the truth is. >> let me pick up on that because it was clearly his decision not to go along with that lie that blocked congressman emmer from becoming speaker. he a lot more votes than mike john, came in as the dark horse, and mike johnson the current speaker was an architect of the false elector. >> tom and i both voted to certify the electors. it was a decision that i think was the right decision under the constitution. mike went to the supreme court with a challenge to the election. i think going to the courts is one thing. trying to move the mob from the mall up to the house floor and, you know, interrupting the congressional proceeding, a whole different issue. >> is it now impossible in such a closely divided house for any republican such as yourself who doesn't deny the election,

doesn't go, you know, with the maga people, doesn't go along with donald trump, is it possible for any republican who doesn't go with donald trump to work with the leadership and be effective. >> i don't think it's impossible, but i certainly think from my own perspective, it's more important that my voice is out there in the public talking to people about how we move forward. our party is the party of lincoln, the party of reagan, the civility of in politics generally is less now than it was before. the ability to deal with major issues, you know, the sustainability of medicare, social security, other big issues. we've got to address and we can't keep worrying about the last election. we've got to focus on where we're going to take the american -- where we're going to take america in terms of policy. >> isn't congress the congressional republicans now at the house at least the party of donald trump? >> well, i think i'm in the republican party, and it is -- there are certainly people who

are followers of donald trump. >> but you're going to be leaving. >> i'm going to be leaving congress. i'm not going to be leaving the party, and i'm not going to be leaving my role in trying to talk truth to the public. >> but what does this mean for those who remain in congress? >> well, i think this election is going to be a critical election, both at the presidential level and in the house. i think people in the house are going to have to make a decision on where they want to go with the values of the republican party. >> he is so far ahead in every poll in early states and nationally. it is so overwhelmingly likely that he will be the nominee. would you vote or support -- publicly support anyone other than donald trump if he is the nominee? >> well, it's going to be a very difficult decision that i have to make if that is, in fact, the case, if it is a trump/biden redo, it is something that i'll have to make that decision at the time. but i am not thrilled with either one of those candidates

and we'll just see what happens down the road. >> and does this mean -- i have to take a look at your district, is your district likely to go democratic? >> it's a very strong republican district, a lot of great people that i'm going to miss serving, frankly. >> so you don't think this would change the margins? well, thank you very much, congressman buck, and obviously a major decision. >> thank you for having me. >> thanks for sharing your plans. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. ♪♪ good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. after a long and heated international negotiations, finally americans and other foreign nationals trapped in dire conditions in gaza for nearly a month have been allowed to cross the border