again, very similar to what we had back in september, who's essential, who's not? you still have car payments, you still have mortgages, all those things to pay, passports, travel, fewer, you know, folks working whether it be tsa or other places, and, frankly, i think a lot of federal trials actually stop because you've got -- not everyone at the courthouse is essential. >> i know how much you miss being in congress, fred, but you're essential to us and always will be. thank you very much for closing it out with us today. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." julie tsirkin, thank you as well. follow us on social media. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. four hours, that's the window of time that could be the difference between life and

death for thousands trapped in the gaza war zone. the white house announcing today that israel has agreed to pause the fighting each day starting today to help civilians get out and critical aid in. but so far no sign that it's actually happening with new osions erupting in gaza in the past few hours. so what is going on? here in new york city hate crimes against jews have tripled from where they were las the antidefamation league reporting anti-semitic nts io, pennsylvania, and kansas, and that's just in the pt three days. a rabbi who traveled to israel now trying to navigate the rise in anti-semitism here at home. he'll join me in just a few minutes. and it's getting late early for candidates trying to shake up the republican race, with the penultimate debate now in the books, a 68-day stretch run lies between the candidates and the iowa caucuses when the first ballots for a nominee will be

cast. what could change between now and then? lots to get to, but we begin with that breaking news from the white house. israel says it will pause its fight against hamas in northern gaza for four hours each day. national security council spokesman john kirby said an announcement will be made three hours before the pause goes into effect. the israeli military has told the u.s. that there will be no military operations in the area during the pause. prior to this breakthrough, the u.s., israel, and qatar had been in talks for a pause of up to three days, so while this obviously is far short of that, it would still give some civilians a chance to escape the most dangerous areas of the gaza strip. i want to bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent, kelly o'donnell and raf sanchez reporting from tel aviv. kelly, what exactly has israel agreed to, and what does the biden administration believe it will mean for this war? >> reporter: good afternoon, chris. the white house certainly believes this is a significant

development in the month-long conflict because the president and many other administration officials at different levels, from the secretary of defense to the secretary of state and farther down in the government working day by day trying to negotiate a range of things that would result in the release of hostages including some americans, the opportunity for more humanitarian aid to go in and some measure of predictability. now, this is very clearly not a cease fire. this is an attempt to provide a way out and a way in, way in for the goods that are needed, a way out for those that are trying to escape this perilous situation. and so limited, yes. four hours in a window and a three-hour runup, and that, of course, raises questions about how do people get to where they need to go. that would be what the idf would be making clear on the ground to those who want to try to flee the area. the president was asked about the nature of this today as he's made his way to illinois.

reporters questioning him about his attempts to get some kind of a pause in the fighting. here's how the president responded. >> did you ask him to pause for three days to get the the hostages out? >> yes, i've asked for an even longer pause. >> mr. president, are you frustrated with prime minister netanyahu that he has not listened more to some of the things that you have asked him to do? >> it's taking a little longer than i'd hoped. >> reporter: so when you consider the close relationship between the u.s. and israel, that's about as far as you might hear the president going, it's taking a little longer than i'd hoped, but they are also very optimistic that this can produce some results. now, negotiations for hostages is a whole other complex arena, but the ability to get aid and supplies in and to make it palatable and passable for people on the ground to try to find a way out. now, there are a lot of things that can go wrong.

as you mentioned, there isn't a sign of it happening yet, but the white house considers this a product of pressure, influence, negotiation with a friend that is as close to the united states as any in that part of the world. chris. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you for that. raf, for the past couple of days, israel has left open a corridor to evacuate from north gaza to the south for a period of time each day, and 50,000 palestinians took advantage of that just yesterday. what's different about this commitment from israel? >> reporter: chris, it's a very good question. the devil is very much going to be in the detail. as you can see, the sun has gone down here. we are not expecting to see any kind of large scale movement to palestinian civilians inside gaza tonight. too dangerous to move around in the nighttime hours, especially given the limited electricity, but tomorrow we may get a better sense of how it is that the israeli military plans to communicate to the palestinian civilians, when they are safe to

leave, where it is safe to leave. the israeli military is being very clear tonight, they are saying there is no cease fire. there are tactical local pauses for humanitarian aid for gazan civilians, so right now it is not clear from the israeli government how what happens tomorrow is going to be different from what happened today or yesterday. chris, it does also appear at this moment that this is not part of that larger hope for a deal where you might have a three-day cease fire in exchange for the release of a significant number of hostages, but in the last hour or so, we are getting new information about the hostages. we are hearing, chris, for the first time from palestinian islamic jihad, the smaller militant group inside of gaza, which is believed to be holding about 30 hostages. for the first time, they are releasing a hostage video of their own. we're not going to show it to

you here because we don't know whether these people were under duress, these captives of islamic jihad when they were speaking. this video shows an elderly israeli woman and a 13-year-old israeli boy, both pleading for their freedom from the israeli government saying that they are being held in good conditions. we can only imagine, chris, what those conditions are like and what they were told to say on camera. but islamic jihad is claiming that it is prepared to release these two hostages. it is not giving any time line. it says when conditions are right, it does not make clear that this offered release -- and we should be really clear, chris, until these people are actually back in israeli hands, there is -- it is difficult to bank on anything, but islamic jihad is not explicitly saying that this release is linked to this announcement from the white house, but it is notable, it came just a couple of hours later, chris. >> raf sanchez, thank you for that.

i want to bring in retired admiral james stavridis, msnbc's chief international analyst. always great to have you on the program, admiral. so not a cease fire, not a three-day pause, but even hours could be a window of hope, right, for thousands of palestinians caught in the cross fire. on the other hand, critics say hours does very little. that to really get people out, to get aid in, it has to be days long. i wonder what you make of this development? >> well, think of it, chris, as kind of a spectrum that runs from a full-on cease fire, that means everybody stops. the war freezes the frame. that's not going to happen. israel's going to continue, and frankly, hamas is going to continue fighting. at the other end would be just ongoing combat, no brakes. so we're kind of working on that spectrum. and sure, would i personally have thought six hours, even an eight-hour cease fire, excuse

me, a pause might have been a better idea, but hey, i'll take four hours at this point. three-hour runup. i think you can do a lot in four hours, particularly in terms of trucks. look, the gaza is not like the state of texas. it is tiny. it's like rhode island. you can move very quickly in a few hours. so i think this is a step in the right direction. final thought on this, chris, sometimes we talk in crisis about confidence building measures. in other words, hamas watches this, sees if the israelis do what they say, the israelis watch hamas. they don't see signs that hamas is taking advantage of this to move weapons, to move fuel. it's four hours, build some confidence on both sides, right? that's how you expand to six, maybe to eight, then maybe you get to three days. let's hope so. >> yeah, so best case scenario, it's just a first step. let me ask you about the folks who are already moving within gaza. we've seen this massive exodus

of palestinians over the last several days from the north to the south. they're doing what israel has asked them to do, right? to get out of the war zone, but there are air strikes in the south every day, even with these daily pauses. should israel establish a part of gaza that truly is out of danger? is that their obligation? >> i think increasingly they will be under pressure to do so, and it -- to me militarily, it makes sense. create a safe zone in the south. now, should you worry whether hamas would take advantage of it, somewhat, but could you conduct special operations forces in that area. what i would worry about is hamas using it as sanctuary for their fighters. i think there are means you can use to deal with that that are less intrusive than bombing. so let's hope our israeli friends are looking at this,

thinking about it, and let's also recognize, chris, right across that border is egypt. is a safe zone. so we ought to be telling our egyptian friends and partners could you open those gates, could we help you financially establish camps in what is already a de facto safe zone. that's called egypt. >> in the meantime, admiral, the u.s. launched what the pentagon describes as self-defense strikes on syrian weapons storage facility used by iran's revolutionary guard. the republican presidential candidates were asked last night at the debate what they would do about iran. let me play some of that for you. >> if you want to stop the 40-plus attacks on military personnel in the middle east, you have to strike in iran. if you want to make a difference, you cannot just continue to have strikes in syria on warehouses. you actually have to cut off the

head of the snake, and the head of the snake is iran and not simply their proxies. >> iran responds to strength. you punch them one and you punch them hard and they will back off. >> i am not going to put our troops in harm's way unless you're willing to defend them with everything you have. biden has them out there. they're sitting ducks. he's doing glancing blows. that's just inviting more attacks from the iranians. >> a lot of tough talk there, admiral. what's your view of what you just heard? and how do we deter iran without plunging into a larger war? >> well, that's exactly the problem. let's say hypothetically we decided we'll whistle up some b-52 bombers and b-1s and launch off the carrier, and we'll bomb tehran, iran. okay. what happens next? now we're in a war with iran. that's not how we want to play

this. what we want to do is as the administration is doing, move up that vertical ladder of escalation. if iran is using drone strikes against us under international law, we have every right to respond. we should. we are. and we're going up the ladder of escalation. we're sending f-15 strike eagles. we know exactly what we're hitting. iran is paying attention. if they don't pay attention, and they come after our troops further, then we go up again. that might be a massive cyber attack that destroys the iranian economy. we can go after iranian assets at sea, platforms in the iranian gov. we have a lot of options before we want to talk about dropping bombs on tehran with no plan about what we do the day after we drop those bombs. >> admiral james stavridis, always a pleasure to have you on the show. thank you. well, next the fallout from the republican debate, what voters are saying in 60 seconds. .

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the 2024 political clock is ticking more and more loudly for all of the republican candidates not named donald trump. fighting an uphill battle to become the viable challenger to the former president, though running out of time to do it. with the first votes set for just over two months from now in iowa and just one more debate scheduled, it is still a race for second place. so any polling bumps, any fund-raising that the candidates get from last night's debate likely one of the last best shots they have at making the case that they, not donald trump, should be the nominee. >> and donald trump's a lot different guy than he was in 2016. he owes it to you to be on this stage and explain why he should get another chance. >> i can tell you that i think he was the right president at the right time.

i don't think he's the right president now. >> anybody who's going to be spending the next year and a half of their life focusing on keeping themselves out of jail and courtrooms cannot lead this party or this country. that needs to be said plainly. >> well, the aforementioned front runner was just down the road from where that debate was being held, clearly unconcerned about his rivals. his spokesperson going so far as to announce that trump will skip the next debate too. i want to bring in nbc's marissa parra who's in jacksonville beach, where she's been talking to voters about last night's debate. vaughn hillyard is following the former president from miami and stuart stevens served as chief strategist for mitt romney's 2012 campaign and is a senior adviser for the lincoln project. ing with welcome all. i want to talk about the race as it stands today after that next to last debate. "the new york times" asked its opinion columnists to rate the performances. they had nikki haley on top. "the wall street journal" board said haley stood out, especially

for her foreign policy expertise. do you think there was a clear winner last night, and even if there was, stuart, is it enough to help winnow the field? >> you know what, i think we have to ask ourselves what would happen if one of these candidates did defeat donald trump. what would donald trump do? so it's pretty unimaginable that for the first time in his life he would act like a normal politician who has the party's best interests, not his own, at heart. so what will happen? is he going to endorse the nominee of a party that just defeated him? that's unimaginable. and polls show that between 25 and 30% of the republican electorate will not vote for a candidate that donald trump -- that's not donald trump or donald trump doesn't enthusiastically endorse. so all of this is conducted in this strange sort of half reality, as if donald trump wasn't 40 points ahead. as if donald trump wasn't the leader of the republican party, and it's sort of -- nikki haley,

it's really a longing for a republican party that existed before donald trump. but that's just a fantasy land, and none of these candidates, except maybe chris christie seem willing to live in that reality. >> so marissa, you talk to a lot of voters. how did they see it? >> yeah, just to set the scene here, we are in jacksonville beach, florida. jacksonville is a very military strong presence. there's multiple military bases nearby, and so we've been talking to voters on the streets this week as well as before the debate started at a local watch party asking them two things. the issues they care most about, which the economy frequently comes up at the top of lists, but given the military community here, we also heard a lot about foreign policy, especially when it comes to u.s. involvement and u.s. aid to ukraine and israel and we know that was brought up several times yesterday by the candidates on stage. but then we also asked who are they leaning towards for 2024. and so republican voters here, no surprise we would hear a sparing response once in a blue

moon for tim scott, ramaswamy, maybe nikki haley here and there, but overwhelmingly the support for donald trump and the current florida governor ron desantis. remember, we are in the sunshine state, so that doesn't come as a big surprise, especially a lot of veterans have a lot of support for veteran ron desantis himself. but one thing that i thought was interesting is the response after the debate watch party. what i'm going to do is i'm going to have you take a listen for yourself on some of the responses we got after the debate, and then i'll explain why it's significant on the other side. >> more aggressive, more sure of himself. i kind of wish sometimes he would have started his campaign the way he was tonight. >> i'm still for trump. i think he's strong. i think america's still pulling for him. i would love to have seen him on the debate. >> for me i was really between desantis and nikki haley.

i felt like what nikki haley said about abortion is probably like the greatest thing that a republican has ever said about abortion. >> unfortunately, you have tim scott and chris christie kind of recede into the background. it's very clear that desantis, it's very clear that desantis and haley are the two front runners at this time. >> so i know that that first response might have been a little bit hard to hear. at the very start of it, that was someone who was saying that governor ron desantis was the strongest he had seen him and wishing he had seen that version of ron desantis sense the start of his campaign here. overwhelmingly, chris, what we heard last night after the debate between not just in person but text, i followed up with a lot of the people i've been speaking to this week. the consensus was that nikki haley really shined with her response on abortion. a more winnable strategy when it comes to abortion and are for the republican party in general.

but ron desantis was strong from start to finish. then i followed up with another question. a lot of people were saying they were leaning towards trump or they were die hard trump supporters from the beginning before the debate. i said, okay, if you thought desantis and haley shined on stage, was this enough to convince you that you might consider voting for someone other than donald trump, and the resounding majority of the responses, chris, was no. an uphill battle. they shined on stage, but the big question is will it be enough? we know there's no path forward for these candidates unless they're able to pull those support, those votes from donald trump. >> so stuart, there are those voters, grant it it's a small number of them, but affirming exactly what you said, i thought nikki haley was great. i thought ron desantis was great. i'm still voting for donald trump, even though maybe i wish he was on that debate stage. there will eventually, whoever the candidate is be a general, right? so let's talk about abortion. i thought it was very interesting to hear that young woman say that what she heard from nikki haley was the

greatest thing she had ever heard from a republican. i want to play for you something haley said after the debate last night. here it is. >> what i'll tell you is i'm totally pro-life in every way whatsoever. i just don't judge someone for being pro-choice anymore than i want them to judge me for being pro-life. when you're looking at this, i don't want to see this divide. women don't want to be divided over this. i want this in the hands of the people. i want it at the state's level, but if you're going to talk about a federal bill, at least be honest with the american people. don't make them -- you've got democrats making people feel scared that something's going to happen, and you've got republicans trying to push something that's not even realistic. >> so that's nikki haley, stuart. do you hear anything that suggests to you, especially after tuesday's election results that the republican party is ready to follow suit? >> no, i mean, i think most of the people who are pro -- call themselves pro-life, anti-abortion in the republican

party, they don't agree with her. they very much make a judgment against those. these are people who call abortion murder. if you're calling abortion murder, that's pretty much a judgment statement against those who disagree with you. and this is something that the party is very much out of step with the nation in, and what's fascinating here is that for a long time the intensity of the abortion issue was with those attempting to change roe v. wade. it was with those who opposed abortion, and that's now flipped. the intensity of the abortion issue is very much among the majority that is pro-choice. and you're seeing this in state after state after election after election, and it's not something that the next president nominee for the republican party is going to be able to nuance. you're going to have to take this head on. >> all right, vaughn, talk to us about the trump strategy going forward. we all know he's going to have a

ton of court cases he's going to have to be involved in and one of the more interesting things i heard him say last night is i'm being indicted for you, but what's his plan going forward, and is he as confident as he seems, he doesn't need to even pay any attention to the rest of the field. >> he absolutely is that confident, chris. last night a senior adviser told me he has no intention of going to the next republican debate on december 6th in alabama because for donald trump, where he sees himself in the polling right now is a consistent, sturdy, large, significant lead. even if you -- let's just take the state of iowa, and the latest nbc news des moines register poll, even if you combine nikki haley with ron desantis, donald trump still has an 11 point advantage over those two, the next in line combined. and so for donald trump, what you see him articulating from that rally stage just miles down the road at the exact same time that the nbc debate was taking place last night was that this is a republican party that is

united around his maga movement and him and that anybody that is looking to undercut him or stand in his way, whether it be nikki haley or ron desantis are fracturing the republican party at a time that they could focus their fund-raising and the party infrastructure around beating joe biden. take a listen to donald trump last night on that campaign stage. >> it's just the greatest movement in the history of politics. and we have a great voice, and we're not going to let him get away with it. but every time i'm indicted, i consider it a great badge of honor because i'm being indicted for you, thanks a lot, everybody. i appreciate it. [ cheers and applause ] i'm being indicted for you. >> chris, last night you saw arkansas governor sarah huckabee sanders formally endorse donald

trump on stage introducing him to that crowd of several thousand last night, and it's notable, when we're 67 days from the iowa caucus, the time line is getting scrunched for these other candidates, but also for those other national republicans elected, notable republicans around the country who are sitting on the sidelines, i asked that senior adviser to trump last night what the campaign's message would be to those who have yet to endorse donald trump and stick their neck out for him, and the response was, quote, tiktok. chris, this is a pivotal time for these other republicans as they tried to stand out as that alternative to be able to go mono a mono with that current front runner. >> is it ever, thank you all very much. next, the trump organization's legal team about to present its defense case in the civil fraud trial. i'll ask a new york-based defense attorney what to expect. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. husband! iphone 15 pro — ♪ (wife) carolers! to tell me you want a new iphone? a better plan is verizon.

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after 25 witnesses in 25 days, it's now the defense's turn at the civil fraud trial against the trump family business, and on monday, a familiar name will be returning to the stand as the defense's first witness, donald trump jr. but with a mountain of evidence and a judge who has already ruled that fraud was committed, the trump legal team has a daunting task to show that all those documents aren't as incriminating as the new york attorney general's case suggests

they are. the state's final witness, former trump executive vp ivanka trump calmly denying being involved in preparing financial statements, and she used some version of the phrase "i don't recall" at least 47 times. joining me here at the table, nbc's lindsey reiser who has been covering the trial for us, and danny cevallos a criminal defense attorney and msnbc legal analyst. good to have both of you here. lindsey, what's the latest now, and what can we expect next week? >> court is in session today. no witnesses, but there are some arguments happening. for one, the attorney general's office is asking that four witnesses on the defense list get dismissed, essentially saying their testimony at this point would be rebuttals to something they didn't even go through, so they're going through those arguments now. of course they broke for lunch, so we'll hear a little bit more in the afternoon. but the defense is asking for a directed verdict, so essentially there's not enough evidence for this case, they're asking the judge to rule. you mentioned we're going to hear from don jr. monday, their first witness. remember, ivanka was the only

trump family member who was cross examined. they'll have their chance to do direct examination. what we can expect from the defense is something we're hearing today where they're saying the attorney general's did not prove there was any intent to defraud. they didn't have any banks testify they lost any money, the most valuable asset wasn't included, of course, being the brand, and in some of their motions they're also likely going to bring up some things that happened in trial. basically they're saying the judge is always ruling against them, and they're probably going to bring in that partial gag order saying that their first amendment rights for their client are being infringed on because donald trump is not supposed to talk about any members of the judge's staff. e. >> we outlined it very clearly. they have failed completely to prove their case and to go through the essential elements of this case completely. so i hope the judge does the right thing. we're waiting to hear what he

decides to do, but this case is -- it's a fraud in itself. it really is. on new yorkers, frankly. >> alina habba went on to say we have to maintain some level of respect in the judicial system. i mean, you know that throughout this entire case they have been doing things that you don't often see in a courtroom, and danny can speak to that, attacking the judge, things like that. so interesting she ended on that note. >> let's talk about the directed verdict because you heard alina habba, they have failed completely. if we were in vegas and you were setting the odds, what are the chances that a judge gives a directed verdict? >> the odds are low. if we were playing roulette, it would be that one green option you have, which is 1 in 25, maybe 1% for these folks. it's not going to happen, and directed verdicts generally don't get granted. the defense knows that. they have to make that motion they inevitably go up on appeal. so a directed verdict motion not a big surprise here, and not a big surprise if and when they lose that motion. they have to make it anyway.

but i mean, the arguments we always knew the arguments they were going to make. chief among them are things like, hey, it's real estate. you say it's worth this. we say it's worth that. it's worth whatever someone think it is is in the eye of the beholder, in the eye of the purchaser, and then you add to that the trump brand, which is just incalculable in its value. this is of course the argument they're going to make. that makes a normal building, when you stick a trump name on it, it accelerating the value, makes it worth a lot more. that is a lot of what we're going to hear, and again, none of this has been a surprise. we knew it from the beginning because it's really one of very few arguments they can make for the defense. >> to help them make their case, they have given a list of potential witnesses, 127 names in all. how unusually long or not unusually long is that list? and they tried to get four of those names, the prosecution d the attorney general's office tried to get those names taken off the list. what's that about?

>> well, as much as this may at times seem like a quasi criminal-like case, fraud's involved. it's the attorney general who is the plaintiff. it is a civil case. and while in criminal cases it's pretty rare for the defense to have a case as large or with as many witnesses as the prosecution, in a civil case, it's not that uncommon. and you err, when you're preparing your witness lists, you err on the side of inclusion because you don't want to be precluded from calling a witness. keep the government busy, have them track down all these people. keep them guessing as to who you're actually going to call when the time comes. you don't ever want to have to have a situation where there's a witness you didn't disclose that you want to call and now you won't be able to call that witness because you didn't give the other side a chance to know who that person was. no surprise, large witness list. it's going to be a lot less than that. how much less remains to be seen. >> all right, danny cevallos,

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operations in the suburbs of boston and in eastern virginia near washington, d.c.ment one prosecutor describing it as a commercial sex ring built on secrecy and exclusivity. the wealthy clientele allegedly included doctors, lawyers, elected officials, tech company execs, plus some military officers and government contractors who have security clearances. nbc's tom winter joins us now with the latest reporting. what do we know about these brothels and the concerns that the justice department has? >> i think it's on several different levels. first off, some folks are wondering why don't we have the names of these politicians or people with security clearances. those are individuals who are all subject to blackmail or foreign interference operations if they are, in fact, caught up in this and the individuals know that they're compromised. so that's always a concern, number one. number two, with respect to the names not yet being public, i think, you know, listening to prosecutors yesterday and investigators, this is an investigation in its early innings for sure, and so i think

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investigators say he made online posts threatening to kill or injure jewish students, and behead jewish babies following the start of the israel-hamas war. his mother told "associated press" he has had mental health struggles. overseas an estimated 2,000 people marched in silence in germany to show support for israeli victims of the hamas attack. on the 85th anniversary of crystal nokt, the infamous wave of nazi attacks in 1938. one holocaust survivor said, quote, to me it was often repeated never again, adding that he is upset by the resurgence of popular reaction against it. his worries echoed in montreal where a synagogue and jewish community center were hit by an attempted fire bomb attack. in los angeles, a man was charged with threatening to kill a jewish family in their home. police say in the early hours of

the morning, he tried kicking down their door, yelling that he wanted to quote, kill jews. i want to bring in daniel cohen, rabbi in south orange, new jersey. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> you were just back from a trip to israel. this is part of what you the fact that hamas did such a thing and people celebrated it, celebrated it, shakes one's faith in humanity. what is it like to be jewish in america right now? >> it is remarkable how quickly it's changed. the fear, the concern, the lack of security, the sense of being so vulnerable. but i think more than anything else, it's been the silence that's been painful. the lack of people reaching out after this unbelievable massacre, the worst attack on the jewish community since the

holocaust, and relative silence from so many people we would have thought we would have heard from. one of my congregants referred to it as the silence of the aggressive. to the sense that we're alone. and i'm still working around my own head. it is a challenging time, but i'm also been really remarkably comforted by the solidarity within the community. and those who have reached out have reached out with such love and such support, but i don't understand how it's not universal, especially when you're talking about an attack by a terror organization that looks to kill jews, that wants to eliminate israel. this was not about territory or policy, and once they do that, if they are successful, god forbid, the west is next. they're not stopping. this is not a war just between israel and hamas. this is a war between israel and

a terror group that wants to get rid of western democracy and how people don't understand that and aren't all standing together is beyond my comprehension, quite frankly. >> you have said, we were talking about this in the break, that the one thing it has done is it's brought your jewish community together. i asked you if people out of fear were coming to services. you said more. you said, nobody's dropped out of school. having said that, there is not just a physical and an emotional cost to anti-semitism. there is a real financial cost, and we have heard from congregations, not being able to pay for security or being tapped out paying for security. is that your experience? >> it is a huge challenge right now. it is a huge challenge. i do not believe you can open a synagogue without having security there. and the security costs are tremendous. our security costs have gone up six, seven, eight fold in the last five or six years.

it is a huge burden. so far we have been incredibly lucky. i work in a wonderful community with tremendous leaders. the community understands the need for us to keep the community safe and also functioning as a community because if we're not able to do that, then those who hate us win. but the financial pressure is huge. the federal government has actually been incredibly supportive so far. i have been a believer in the firm separation of church and state. applying for the grants from homeland that we're able to get are important, and congregations hopefully across the country are doing that, and we're also finding that congregations are working together increasingly in ways we haven't before. that's a positive. it certainly doesn't come close to balancing out the horrors of what we're dealing with, the horrors of what's going on in israel, the horrors of what happened on october 7th which haunt me and haunt all of us. >> and here in the states, words matter, right? some college campuses have

become really scary places for jewish students. from the cornell threat, right? and i want to mention cooper union students in new york city, there were frightened jewish students who lock themselves behind a door. they huddled there because protesters were banging and they were yelling free palestinians. when pro palestinian students argue free speech, they have in some cases framed their cause as one of social justice against what they call anticolonialism, calling israel an apartheid regime that is locking people in gaza. is there a danger in words? it's impossible to take the politics out of it, and we could get into a much deeper discussion about that, but what about words? >> words have power. words have power. words open doors. words incite, and when -- look, freedom of speech is really important but there's a limit to

freedom of speech when it incites violence, and when the words are being used and the people of the organization that you're looking at don't come out strongly and condemn it. ben sasse down in florida made a statement that was so clear about the importance of the freedom of speech, there's a limit, and if you cross the line, we're going to stop it. we're going to step in. that's the type of leadership we need, and when there's been a vacuum in the leadership, whether on a university level or quite frankly in the school districts in my area, that's when you actually see the anti-semitism grow, and it contributes to it. so those leaders who don't speak clearly, those leaders who don't stand up, those leaders who kind of say what they think they need to say, but they don't feel it and mean it, they recognize that. that's where they promote the anti-semitism and growth of it. and i have to say the vast majority, countless school districts and universities have failed their jewish students.

they have failed their jewish students. and now they're trying to make some changes, but it feels like too little, too late in a lot of cases. >> we have so much more we could talk about. rabbi daniel, we appreciate you coming in and taking the time. >> thank you so much for having me. >> we have much more on the breaking news, israel agreeing to daily four-hour humanitarian pauses in gaza. we'll be right back. pauses in gaza we'll be right back. ♪ my name is josh sanabria and i am the owner at isla veterinary boutique hospital. i was 5...6 years of age and i knew i was going to be a vet. once alexandra called me to let me know that bank of america had approved my loan... it was important to me. we not only just provide the financing piece, we do everything that we can to surround them with the right people.

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