good to be with you, i'm katy tur. sure sounds like we just got another presidential contender. senator joe manchin, long time, deeply moderate democrat from a deeply red state. thorn in the side of joe biden has announced he's not running for reelection. while it wasn't overtly an announcement to run for the white house, it wasn't exactly not an announcement of a run either.

>> after months of deliberation and long conversation with my family, i believe in my heart of hearts that i have accomplished what i set out to do for west virginia. i have made one of the toughest decisions of my life, and decided that i will not be running for reelection to the united states senate. but what i will be doing is traveling the country and speaking out to see if there's an interest this creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring americans together. >> sure sounds like a presidential announcement. after all, it's the middle that says they're most unhappy with the state of things, the ones who don't like either the republican front runner or democratic incumbent, so what happens now? joining us is nbc news national reporter, sahil kapur, political analyst, cornell belcher, and former republican congressman charlie dent. sahil, did you see this coming? >> it's been something people

have been wondering about. i think a lot of people expected that maybe joe manchin would decide to step aside at this point. the speculation doesn't matter anymore. he's made the decision. he ran it close to the edge and at the very least, this is an earthquake in the battle for senate control. he has held the seat since 2010. he has defied political gravity to keep it in democratic hands. in a statement, quote, we like our odds in west virginia, unquote. that is probably the understatement of the year. republicans are very likely to flip this seat and quite easily, which means they would only need one more net gain in 2024 to seize the battle majority. a flirtation with a presidential run. he has been talking to groups like no labels about an outside bid, which would be extremely unlikely to succeed. he's keeping the door open at this moment. joe manchin will no longer be a

senator starting in january 2025. >> i got this note, joe manchin watered down the democratic economic agenda, made the cost of raising children higher, and billionaire taxes lower, and now retires. history and west virginians who are struggling will not judge joe manchin well. let's talk about what this means for the democrats beyond the senate. cornell, for joe biden whose approval ratings are very low, and who desperately needs the middle to come and rally toward him in 2024, especially moderate republicans, independents who don't like donald trump, what does this mean for his odds for next november? >> look, i got to lean in with what our reporting is. i think we want to make this about the presidential, and it's sexier, it's not about the presidential. it isn't about the presidential.

there's not a lane for joe manchin, and good luck raising money. joe manchin is not going to find a lane. for democrats in the senate, it is a really big problem. they're already facing or looking at a really tough battlefield. and look democrats don't run well in west virginia. before manchin, you had rockefeller, democrats that ran above and their party label and in a different era in politics. this is much more of a blow i think to leader schumer than it is to the biden campaign. the folks in the biden campaign are not ringing their hands. chuck schumer is. >> what's his goal here, if he doesn't want to be a senator any longer, doesn't this sound like he wanting to be president, you really think he's got no lane, cornell? >> they all want to be

president. you throw a rock at the senate, you're going to hit somebody who wants to be president. i mean, they all want to be president. he doesn't have a lane, and look, yes, joe biden's approval ratings are low right now, not stellar, but they are right in line with what president obama's was when he won his back-to-back majority. there's a lane for joe biden, and part of the obama continuum, reliant on younger, progressive voters, particularly voters of color who quite frankly, that's the voters he's most off of his 2020 performance with. not off with conservative, this conservative white voters that manchin will appeal to. >> charlie, do you want to be president? >> no. but look, the senate seat is

gone. trump would win that state by 40 points. i think there is actually a lane for an independent third party movement. i don't think the ground has been more fertile. 2/3 of voters don't like donald trump or joe biden. they think one is too old and one is crazy. >> looking for another chance. >> and look where bob by kennedy jr. s he's polling at near 20%. you have cornell west, he's going to take votes, and in no labels, i have been working with them over the years, they're going to create ballot access for a centrist fusion ticket which could become part of joe manchin or larry hogan or sununu ticket. there's a lane. i'm not saying they can win. there's enough dissatisfaction. >> if there's not a lane to win, necessarily, and that's certainly up in the air. isn't there a lane to siphon off

votes, making it hard for joe biden to win. >> we don't know the candidates. i would argue if you have a sununu or hogan at the top of an independent ticket, how would that play in texas? i suspect that would hurt trump more than biden or in kansas or nebraska. >> aren't trump voters going to vote for him no matter what? >> there are a lot of disaffected, if i could vote for larry hogan, chris sununu, don huntsman, they could vote for them. i think that is a real possibility right now, and people say it's not possible, but this ground is more fertile than it was in 1992 when red cross perot jumped in. >> let's talk about the senate one more time. when we're looking at the prospects for 2024, what hopes do democrats have of holding it if they lose west virginia?

what are they most contentious or maybe winnable races for them? >> reporter: the short answer is west virginia was one of the seats contesting, likely to be gone. montana and ohio, two red states that democrats are defending incumbent senators, and purple states, heavily contested and the presidential will be arizona, nevada, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, all of which democrats are defending seats, their path to the majority becomes easier. we got in the last couple of minutes, a new statement from the democratic senatorial committee insisting they have a path to the majority. the democrats are multiple pathways to strengthen our senate majority and are in a strong position to achieve the goal. it will be a tough path, one of the toughest if not the toughest

i have seen for any party in the senate. democrats have currently a 51-49 edge in the chamber. won't be easy to defend and to your earlier question, were people surprised? some of joe manchin's senate were surprised. john boozman, said he didn't know. joe is a very good friend and had a great career. wouldn't go beyond that. democrat haves a love/hate relationship with joe manchin. he has watered down president biden's priorities. without joe manchin, there would be no senate majority in the first two years, no inflation reduction act, mitch mcconnell not chuck schumer would have been the majority leader. the judges that president biden got through the senate, those numbers would look different. justice ketanji brown jackson would look very different. there are a couple of ways to look at joe manchin's

contributions. >> he was referred to for a while as president joe manchin because he had power in the senate. why would he want to let go of that, sahil? >> reporter: let's just say it would be difficult to win again. he had been hanging on by the skin of his teeth, 2018 was a blue wave. a weak opponent that year, managed to win. before that, it was 2012. also an unexpectedly good year for democrats. by virtue of his brand, a governor of west virginia, back when it was friendlier to democrats, maintained his brand an independent voice, someone who frequently bucked his rty, was not afraid to do so. he cultivated and maintained it. for that reason,e s seen as someone, probably the only democrat in the entire state who could win in this day and age. donald trump won west virginia by 39 points. it's a matter of, for joe

manchin, did he want to contest that race in a presidential year where it would have been tougher. the republican front runner is governor jim justice, who looks better than his recent opponent where turnout is looking, let's say, probably a little less friendly for democrats than the electorate was in 2018. all of these things surely factored in. joe manchin said he accomplished what he set out. >> donald trump taking credit, saying he endorsed jim justice, and that's why joe manchin as decided to pull out of the race. donald trump did win that state by a whole lot. i remember going down there with him for the first time in 2016 when he was running and he put on a hard hat and complained it was going to mess up his hair, he needed more hair spray, and it got a giant laugh and applause from the crowd. gentlemen, thank you so much. we're going to stay on this. in a moment i'm going to be

joined by former senior adviser to senator manchin, and after almost four months on strike, actors have reached a tentative deal with hollywood studios. what is in the deal, and when will the shows come back to television? sag-aftra president fran drescher joins me later in the hour. we're back in 60 seconds. 're bas (carolers) ♪ iphone 15 pro for your husband! iphone 15 pro — ♪ (wife) carolers! to tell me you want a new iphone? a better plan is verizon. (husband) no way they'd take this wreck. (carolers) ♪ yes, they will, and you'll get iphone 15 pro, ♪ ♪ aaannnnnddddd apple tv 4k, and apple one - ♪

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the most accomplished senators, and i think he's grown frustrated are partisan politics, and he didn't want to be part of it anymore. i'd also point out, you know, he's got ten grand kids. he's in his late 70s. he's still, you know, got more gas in the tank than i do. the man ran me ragged when i worked for him, but i think, you know, now is the time he wants to see what else he can do with his life. he's going to travel the country, talk to people about where they feel the direction of politics is going, and how he can be helpful. >> it doesn't sound like a retirement announcement, though, he says he's still going to be his part in politics. does it read to you like a presidential announcement? >> it reads to me like he doesn't know what's next but he's not ruling anything out. >> i mean, you say he's got ten grand kids, he doesn't want to do this any longer, being the president is a lot busier than even being a u.s. senator. >> that is true, but i think he right now is going to spend time

with his family, and then figure out what's next, but he's interested in moving the country and our political discourse towards the center where it was when he started politics. >> how does he think he's going to be able to do that? there have been a lot of people talking game on finding the common ground. went seen anybody able to bridge the gap. joe biden did it to an extent in 2020. there's a nod of support for donald trump, a nod of people who believe the election was stolen, and don't want to compromise at all. how do you find the middle? how do you convince people to go back to, you know, a by gone era where politics wasn't so personal? >> i think that's going to be the struggle is how we figure out how we do it, and he's going to start with, you know, i think sort of a listening tour, just conversations around the country, but look, he was able to help get, you know, the ira passed. he helped get an infrastructure bill passed. if anybody is going to be able to do this, i would bet it on it

being joe manchin. >> the common thinking has been that if joe biden or if joe manchin runs or a third party candidate runs, it's going to eat away at support for joe biden, not eat away of support for donald trump. would he be comfortable putting himself in the position of potentially being a spoiler for the democrats? >> i don't think he has any intention of being a spoiler for anybody. in every election he gets into t if he gets into a race he plans to win it, and his track record is pretty damn good on that. i don't think he's going to run in a race where he would be a spoiler. he's going to do what he thinks is best for the country. >> jonathan kott, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. the longest actor's strike in hollywood is hopefully over with a tentative deal on the table after 118 days. what finally got them there? sag-aftra president fran drescher joins me right after this break.

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>> it's nice to reporting on good news, 118 days after walking offset, it looks like tens of thousands of actors are going to head back to work soon. a tentative deal was struck between sag-aftra and major hollywood studios. joining us now sag-aftra president, fran drescher, really good to have you back. last time we had you on it was the beginning of the strike, and you said you're not going anywhere until you get a good deal. is this a good deal? >> it's a greet deal. it's a triumphant deal, a historic deal, a seminole deal, all of those great words describe this deal. >> tell me what you can about this deal. why is it so great? >> well, first of all, it's the largest package in our industry history. we passed the billion dollar mark. so the "b" word is pretty

impressive. our lowest paid members got an 11% bump. they're actually over inflation at this point, which makes me so happy. they got many many benefits, and felt more represented and more fought for than ever before. which makes me just, you know, delighted. and we broke pattern, which means that we got a bigger increase for the performers, before i was talking about the background players. now it's the performers. and from the wga and the dga, which is highly unusual. it's setting a new precedent to break pattern, and so where they got 5% increase on the minimums, we got 7%, and then each subsequent year, it builds on that. and we found a new stream of revenue that is going to help

compensate the people that appear on the streaming platforms, which is going to make a big difference in starting, at least, to level the playing field, so that those people that are on that platform can catch up to the kind of earnings that they were used to in linear television. and we got unprecedented regulations now, and protections for ai, which never existed in the contract before, so now they have to get consent from everybody and that's a huge deal. we set out to say we need, you know, consenting compensation, and we got it. and we just -- everywhere you look, it's three times bigger than the last contract. it's the biggest jump from one contract to another, and, you

know, there's so much there. we began talking about the lasting inequities that have come out of interviews, once put on self-tape. those two needed to be regulated. there's more that needs to be done there. but our members will begin to enjoy a kind of new approach. i think that we walked in the largest entertainment union in the world, and we leave the most powerful entertainment union if the world. and that one i set my stakes on. >> you guys got a lot of what you wanted. the wga got a lot of what they wanted. the auto workers got a lot of what they wanted. a lot of strikes proving to be successful. you emphasized starting to claw back some of that revenue from streamers.

you didn't exactly get what you wanted there, though, you wanted a share of revenue from each streaming platform. can you explain to me without getting too much into the weeds, somebody like me who's not in the movie or tv business, at least not on the entertainment side, how the money is going to work if the streamers? how are you going to be able to make sure actors who appear on streaming shows can pay their rent, which they couldn't do before? i know where you're going with this, and yes, you know, in a nutshell, once performers started working on streaming channels, there was a lot of revenue in the way of residuals and syndication money that got cut off because basically you're in a vacuum once your show is produced for a streaming platform. i saw that inequity, and i knew

there needed to be a new stream of revenue that is going to have to help those performers get a level of compensation that they were not getting once on the streaming platform. so that was without question one of the most important things that i wanted to see change. and the most elegant way in our opinion was to get a percentage of the streaming platform's revenue share. they felt like that was a bridge too far. we tried to reduce the money. we tried to come up with maybe a piece of each subscriber over the year, all of that. what they did is say to each other, something's got to be done. this is not going to end well if we don't come up with a way to

give them more money, and so they heard us loud and clear. i'm always looking at how life is unfolding. i don't get stuck in one area. i can appreciate that. what we came up with -- the problem existed and they were educated on what it was. okay. then we came up with a couple of our own solutions, which they were very resistant to, but those proposals became the means to an end, not the end, but the means to the end. they spoke internally with all of the amptp members and decided on a mechanism that could work for them but still be more money for the people on the streaming platforms. for me, money is money. it's just as clean.

>> it was a compromise. >> and we had to finesse it so it worked for what our purposes was. which was to be able to throw out a wider net and benefit more people on the platform. >> a compromise. fran drescher, we got to pay our bills around here. i got to go to a commercial break. thank you so much for coming on. >> you're so welcome, everybody loves you, i'm so happy to be on the show. >> come on when you're here next in person. we would love to have you on set to talk on the show. >> i'm coming in december. >> personally, i want to know how you like your snl sketch, but i'm getting screamed at. i have to go to break. thank you so much for joining us. congratulations on the deal. >> thank you. israel agrees to daily pauses in fighting in northern gaza. what exactly will that look like and how long will it last? the wayfair homes just have that razzle dazzle. they redid the guest room.

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warning civilians to clear out, while hamas forces them back. allowing in food and water, which hamas steals.

there will be daily four-hour, quote, humanitarian pauses, in gaza starting today. the stated purpose is to allow aid to get in and more civilians to get out of the battle zone in the north. but is there more at play here? there have been rumblings about hostage releases with cia director bill burns negotiating in qatar, how serious are those rumors. there are questions about why prime minister benjamin netanyahu will agree to this now, after refusing up until now. is it the international pressure, domestic pressure, or

private pressure, from israel's biggest ally, the united states. joining us is nbc news foreign correspondent josh lederman in tel aviv, independent journalist, noga tarnopolsky who's covered this conflict for decades and appeared on the show many times, and also "new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst peter baker. he also served as "the new york times" jerusalem bureau chief. so josh, talk to me about where are we in hostages and where are we with the cia director and qatar, and how confident can we say that these pauses have anything to do with the negotiation for the hostages? >> they're certainly tied in to the negotiations for the hostages, because hamas has been saying repeatedly that they would not release hostages unless they were able to get this kind of cease fire. there's clearly a exchange there of interests, but so far, we have really not seen that we are on the verge of any kind of

breakthrough when it comes to those hostages, the israeli president has been telling our colleague raf sanchez, he's seen no evidence of a firm and understandable deal from hamas that they could act on that would get a large number of hostages out, despite the claim from palestinian jihad today, one of the groups in the gaza strip that they are willing to release two hostages if the conditions on the ground are ripe. and when it comes to these pauses, you know, the white house today is really touting this as a big new development, but in a way, katy, the biden administration is now taking credit for something that israel, frankly, has been doing all of this week. every single day of this week we have seen israel have these four-hour windows that they announce where they say that there is a safe passage for palestinians in northern gaza to go into southern gaza along a predetermined route. and so now, this is going to continue, but the israeli military is saying this is by no means a cease fire.

in fact, they say there is no period of time for which they will guarantee no air strikes in the entirety of the gaza strip, but the white house will pnt to the fact that they see this as not only a formalization, but somewhat of an expansion of what israel has been doing because it also involves four-hour periods where they hope some humanitarian aid will be able to get into northern gaza, which is really the hardest hit. they also say israel is opening a second corridor along the coast of gaza where civilians can flee to the south. >> what sort of private pressure is the u.s. putting on benjamin netanyahu and his government? >> well, private and public. we've seen a lot of it the last few days. secretary blinken traveled to the region. the president of the united states called prime minister netanyahu on monday and asked him to expand, you know, these humanitarian pauses that josh was talking about. you've heard defense secretary lloyd austin talk to his counter part, jake sullivan, the president's national security adviser, they have been making a real concerted effort to push for this kind of formalization,

and expansion of what they were doing. i think what they would like to do is reassure people how much the biden administration does care about civilians in gaza amid a lot of protests on the president's political left at home, and around the world. at the same time, they want to say they're not for a full cease fire. their full cease fire, which a lot of people are calling for, according to the biden administration would only simply reward hamas, and not be in their view, the right thing for israel to do at this point. it's a distinction between the four-hour pauses and something more lasting. >> noga, let's talk about the domestic pressure that benjamin netanyahu is currently facing, especially from the families of the hostages, what is he hearing? >> well, mostly he's hearing complaints, there are still families among these 241 families of hostages who have yet to get any outreach from the government. so the families are demanding at

least an explanation of how the israeli strikes in gaza can -- how they can be assured that these israeli strikes are not harming their loved ones. and they want to know what is is a path towards hostage release. i think that hostages with u.s. citizenship are getting a lot more, at least, support and contact from the biden administration than israeli citizens are getting from their government, there are protests in israel now all over the country in jerusalem and tel aviv. there's a tent in each one of these cities with family members just camping out in front of government buildings saying they're not budging until their family members are out of gaza. >> what is the sentiment among the israeli people about what the government is currently doing? >> i think bafflement, contempt. there's, you know, there's a headline in today's that almost

made me laugh. they had israelis loathe netanyahu, and i stopped myself from laughing because it appears to be true. nonetheless, he's the prime minister, and he has the respondent to explain to the people of israel whether they have hostages in gaza or not, what the government's plan is. now, the u.s. is pushing israel very hard on stating what is their ultimate plan for gaza, who will be in charge of gaza, netanyahu, attempted a kind of trial balloon a few days ago on a u.s. interview, saying that israel will be in charge of like, would have security responsibility or something like that. that went over like a lead balloon in the white house, and it hasn't gone over well in israel, where parents are terrified of having their kids have to be soldiers in gaza, which is viewed as just a nest of terror right here. >> you know, the former israeli

ambassador, currently a member of the war cabinet, known as bibi's brain, he was saying to me that what they meant about gaza was that they think that there should be -- it should be like what the u.s. did in japan or germany, which was a multi-decade occupation where there was no military allowed for decades, upon decades, upon decades. he refused to say it was going to be an occupation, even though he basically described an occupation, and when i asked him about the cycle of violence and whether that would perpetuate it, he denied there was a cycle of violence. i wonder how the israelis are reacting to a government saying we're going back to what we were doing before but more harshly. >> israeli people are not reacting very well. i have to say also that the u.s. secretary of state blinken has

explicitly said that the united states will not support a reoccupation. he's used that term. there is a very small minority of extremist israelis, some of whom, unfortunately, are netanyahu's ministers who are indulging the kind of fantasy of reoccupation, not just of gaza, of, you know, other places. this is really a fringe movement, and netanyahu is allowing them to keep speaking. he's not firing any of the ministers, especially one who made really offensive statements. the reason being that he loses their support, he will lose power in israel's parliamentary system. >> his political future is tied up in all of this. peter baker, josh lederman, noga tarnopolsky, thank you so much for talking to us about this. i wish we had more time. u.s. forces in syria and iraq have been attacked at least 40 times since mid october, what the pentagon is doing about it. deputy pentagon press secretary

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effective right now? >> thanks, katy, so much for having me on. as you mentioned, we did take self-defense strikes in order to protect our troops, and yesterday we successfully hit a target that does house military weapons and ammunitions that are used by these iran proxy groups that have been attacking our forces. and we do believe, and we feel confident that the actions that we took last night will send a message to iran to tell these proxy groups that continue to attack our forces to back down. our main purpose and presence in the region when it comes to iraq and syria is the enduring defeat of isis. that's why our forces are there and in the region, and when it comes to the israel and hamas conflict, we don't want to see this conflict widen out into a regional war, so these strikes that we saw, the strike we took last night was in self-defense, and again, to deter iran from engaging or to even thinking

about widening this conflict. >> we saw strikes last month on october 27th. there have been at least 41 attacks, though, on u.s. personnel and troops since october 17th. the previous strikes did not deter any further violent action toward americans. are you confident that these will suddenly start working? >> well, last night, again, we took military action and significantly degraded the capabilities that these irgc-backed affiliated groups have to their weapons, and so while we are seeing an up tick and an increase in attacks against our forces, you are not seeing this conflict widen out into the region, and i think that's really important. that's one of our main focuses here. we do not want to see what is happening in israel and fighting with hamas widen out into a regional war, so the self-defense strikes that we took last night and on october 26th, as you mentioned, were in self-defense. and in a response to the attacks on our troops, but again, we

have a presence in the region that is sending a very clear message of deterrence, and to any actor and any non-state actor that wants to take advantage or get into this conflict, they should really think twice about that. >> reaper surveillance drone was shot down off the coast of yemen, are you concerned about recovery efforts for that reaper drone and any sensitive information getting into the wrong hands? >> we did monitor that houthis who did shoot down the drone, did try and recover it. they were unsuccessful. we're not as concerned as recovery of the mq9. we continue, again, to fly, sail and operate in international waters. we're going to continue to do c. that again, we've seen this before from the houthis. this is nothing new. unfortunately, while our mq-main was shot down, we have not

recovered it. >> this is an extremely tense time with what's happening in israel and it is clearly added to by the strikes on u.s. personnel, or the attempted strikes on u.s. personnel as well. how confident is the pentagon that this will remain in israel in. >> well, look, it has so far. as you know, hamas brutally launched a terrorist attack on october 7th. since then, of course, we have seen attacks on our service members, both in iraq and syria. we have seen it contained to israel. and i think that's in large part because you've seen the united states surge assets into the region to send a really clear message of deterrence. right now you have two carrier strike groups, one in the eastern mediterranean and the other in the cent com area of responsibility. that is for any nonstate actor

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