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on the "today" show the turnover is impacting safety. >> air traffic controllers, continues warranting review of safety management. >> are you concerned about the impact of that safety in the airspace. >> absolutely. >> reporter: congress under pressure from all sides to spend the money for urgent safety upgrades. tom costello, nbc news. and that does it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. yasmin vossoughian hosts "katy tur reports" right now. hi, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian in for my friend katy tur. quote, in 2016, i declared i am your voice. today i am your warrior. i am your justice, and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, i am your retribution. those were donald trump's words during his first 2024 campaign rally in waco, texas, earlier
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this year. since then, the former president has made no secret for his plans of revenge if he wins a second term in november, including in an interview aired just last night. >> they have done indictments in order to win an election. they call it weaponization. and the people aren't going to stand for it. yeah, they have done something that allows the next party. if i happen to be president, and i see somebody who's doing well and beating me very badly, i say, go down and indict them. mostly that would be, you know, they would be out of business. they'd be out. they'd be out of the election. >> so this is not the first time that we've heard that a victorious president-elect trump would do things differently the second time around. "the new york times" recently reporting on how allies of the former president are preparing to pack the white house with aggressive right wing lawyers who would be less likely to stand in the way of his agenda, which was a frustration of his during his four years in office,
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and guardrails were repeatedly tested, but how easy would it be for donald trump to follow through on threats like weaponizing the doj and the fbi against his perceived enemies, if he does, in fact, win a second term, a real reality we're look at in this country. joining me now, nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard, nbc legal analyst paul butler. former rnc chair, michael steel. there was a lot more we heard in the interview. i know that you were at a rally in florida talking to voters down there. talk me through more of what we learned. >> i'll let paul get into the mi if donald trump was president, how he would arrest his political opponents. we have heard donald trump say he would call up his attorney general and order them to go after his political enemies. he was upset with the likes of jeff sessions and bill barr at the end of the term, and he
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would put in office an attorney general who would all but do his bidding and allow political influence to rain over through his white house. i want to let you hear to somebody i talked to at his rally wednesday night. when you talk to supporters at each of his events, you consistently hear a defense of donald trump in what would amount to greater authority and executive power and use of it to go after folks who they believe took away the white house from him for a second term. take a listen to one man who i talked to. >> reporter: when you say go after them, what do you mean? >> arrest them. imprison them for violating our constitution. >> reporter: how do you do that? >> police are probably with us. >> reporter: you mean, the police will be on the side of -- >> the patriots. they sure will. they haven't been corrupted yet, as far as i know. >> reporter: that's an actual civil war you're talking about. >> oh, yeah. >> reporter: you believe the election was stolen in 2020. >> absolutely.
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it's right on the nose of your face. >> from my conversations with folks around the country, i think it's important to understand this is not just what donald trump wants. it's not just donald trump who wants to arrest political enemies but what his legions of supporters around the country want from him if he gets back in the white house again as well. >> to be clear here, paul, in this interview as well, he talked about how essentially if, in fact, they are successful, right, this is, in fact, what i will do in this interview. the attorney general, the president, have said repeatedly they are not weaponizing the fbi, they are not weaponizing the department of justice against the former president of the united states. we know currently there's a special counsel investigation into classified documents with president biden. hunter biden, his son, has been charged on three separate counts as well. all of this being said, are there guardrails in place in the department of justice specifically to protect against actions like this from a possible reelection of donald
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trump. >> there are guardrails, but the guardrails are about policy and norms. there's no law that would enforce or prevent donald trump as president. he could totally politicize federal prosecutors and the fbi. if trump appointed an attorney general who didn't respect the existing norms, that ag could direct investigations against anyone who trump does not like. whether there could be prosecutions is another issue. but, yasmin, there's a supreme court case that says that there are so many federal crimes. there are at least 4,000 federal crimes, that any determined prosecutor who really wants to bring a case against someone, she can usually find a crime to charge. >> i want to play some sound, michael, of chris christie, donald trump's republican opponent last night about this very thing, and then have you
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react on the other side. >> you had good folks, like bill barr who were keeping him on the rails, and stopping him from doing stuff like this at the justice department. nobody as good and decent and honest as bill barr is going to agree to be donald trump's attorney general if he ever became president again. >> if you will, michael, talk more about this because you look at what has happened to the people who also served alongside donald trump, many obviously that have been indicted, especially if you're looking at the georgia election interference case, the fulton county d.a. case. but you also think about someone like john eastman, right, who is considered a high standing constitutional attorney, right, who also looked to overturn the results of this election. how problematic would it be, not only the reelection of a former president, donald trump, but also the people he would choose to surround himself with inside that white house?
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>> the election itself wouldn't be problematic, from that standpoint, you know, if it plays out that he gets elected. the challenge would be probably finding a pause point, individuals who would come in and if things started to go sideways, say to the president as we know now that infamous oval office conversation in which he's told if you do that, sir, you will have, you know, nothing but resignations throughout the department. the reality of it is this team, and this is something that some of us have been trying to get folks to focus on for a while, they have learned from the last four years. they have learned from january 6th. they know now what traps to avoid. they understand what type of people they need to put in place, so that becomes less of a problem for them once the process and the ball starts rolling. so that's the problem is that
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there will be people they will find, who will very happily step in. just like that gentleman that vaughn interviewed. there are a lot of people like that right now serving in government. i love how he sort of whispered, well, the police are with us. that's their thinking. they know they've got people already inside to set the trap. so this is a real thing for us. as americans right now. there are citizens among us who are ready to turn on us for donald trump. that's what this election is about. it is giving them not only the power, but the power to act with impunity. because they'll have officials in place who will walk into that oval office or take that president's call and do exactly what he says without question because they firmly believe, a, donald trump won the last election, and, b, that all the
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rest of us need to be dealt with for having stopped him for assuming the oval office in 2020. that's what this election is about. it's not complicated. >> and, in fact, when he says my attorney general, it will be his attorney general. >> it will be his attorney general, that's right. >> paul butler, i want to read from the "new york times" and have you expanonhat michael f was talking about here. close allies of trump are aring to populate a new administration with progressive breed of right wing lawyers who they believe stymied the agenda in the first term. the aim is to reduce the chances that politically appointed lawyers would frustrate a more radical white house agenda, paul. >> we already know trump started down this path during his presidency. he set williams sessions as his first attorney general was a big mistake. sessions wasn't loyal. he selected barr. i have to disagree with governor
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christie. barr was not good and honest. barr got the job of attorney general after he wrote an op-ed suggesting that the russian investigation was a hoax, and of course barr went on to protect trump by misrepresenting what the mother report said and shutting down a criminal investigation. maya angelou said when people show you who they are, you should believe them. not only has donald trump shown us that he's entirely capable of using the criminal legal system for partisan politics, he's literally saying that is what he will do if he is reelected. we should believe him. >> and vaughn, he's not just talking about going after former politicians, going after the former president of the united states, if he's reelected. he's talking about going after attorneys general. >> to paul's point, he's saying this repeatedly out loud and posting on his social media account. just this afternoon, while we were having this conversation, he just explicitly said on his
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truth social media account, that letitia james should be prosecuted. he is laying out this list for his, his own enemies list of who he wants to seek retribution against in 2025. >> he's telling us to believe him. michael steele, i'm keeping you on a little bit longer. don't go anywhere. coming up, we are seven days from a government shutdown. new explosions over gaza. what we know about the targets and the timing. we are back in just 60 seconds. we are back in just 60 seconds my skin, thanks to skyrizi. ♪(uplifting music)♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ i'm celebrating my clearer skin... my way. with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin,
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reinforcing israel's insistence there will be no cease fire. the video we are about to show you is disturbing. at al-shifa hospital, shows a young girl, hysterically shouting for her father and her brother. after one of the explosions. the bombardment. it's pushing more gazans to join the mass exodus of civilians heading south where air strikes are as well. keir simmons has more from israel. >> reporter: this morning, no pause in israel's war with hamas. overnight, israel releasing new video of air strikes. filmed from a children's hospital this morning, israeli tanks on the streets of gaza industry. israel's prime minister telling fox news there's no cease fire. >> a cease fire with hamas, means surrender to hamas. >> reporter: this explosion was next to another hospital, al-shifa, where israel has said there's a hamas headquarters. hamas accused of using civilians
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as human shields accusations denied by hamas. the pictures there today show people killed, injured and terrified. hundreds of thousands have been forced to flee from the north, and israel says the daily four-hour pause announced by the white house is a continuation of its humanitarian corridors. but for the families of israeli hostages taken in the october 7th terror attacks where 1,400 were killed, any pause is hopeful. >> yesterday, the group holding 77-year-old hannah katzia and a young boy, released a propaganda video of them, then promised to let them go. there's no news this morning. and the international committee of the red cross, which would facilitate any release tells us it would need guarantees. >> we cannot force our way through the bullets. >> reporter: yana believes his 74-year-old peace activist mom is held hostage too. >> first of all, bring back the hostages, that's the first
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thing, we can't move on without it. >> joining us now from tel aviv, nbc news foreign correspondent, josh lederman. a couple of things i want to tick through with you, josh. what more do we know this hour about the strikes near this hospital, and the continuation of these humanitarian pauses as they're being called? will there be more of them? >> reporter: look, israel has said there will be no cease fire, that despite those limited pauses which are narrow in geography, we are seeing that israel meant what they said. we are seeing a bombardment of the gaza strip just in the last hour or so. dramatic scenes over the northern part of the gaza strip, of flares, of explosions in the distance, once again lighting up the night sky. it's one of the more intense aerial bombardments we have seen so far in this war, at least from our vantage point. we know that israel has acknowledged the fact that there
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was a hospital that was struck in the gaza strip today. now, they are saying that it was struck not by t israeli military, but by a projectile launched by a militant group that misfired. now, of course the gaza health authority, they are claiming israel struck hospitals on multiple locations throughout the day today. once again we are in one of the positions where the basic facts are in dispute. we want to be very careful. nbc news cannot say with any certainty exactly what has happened at those hospitals today on the ground there other than the fact that we know the israeli military has acknowledged that they are operating in very close proximity to some of the same hospitals where we have seen dramatic damage throughout the day. we heard from an israeli spokesperson saying we're not targeting hospitals, but if hamas is shooting at the israeli military from the hospitals, we will do what they have to do.
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and so, despite the fact that under normal circumstances targeting hospitals is against international law, the israeli military making clear that those protections don't necessarily apply when hospitals are being used by a terrorist group to house their fighters and their weapons, an allegation israel has made repeatedly against hamas, that officials continue to deny. >> josh lederman, thank you, i appreciate it. i want to bring in senior fellow and the american state craft program at the carnegie endowment for international peace. aaron david miller, served in the state department, most recently as a senior adviser for arab-israeli negotiations. we are hearing from secretary of state tony blinken saying far too many palestinians have been killed. much more needs to be done to protect civilians and to make sure that humanitarian assistance reaches them. with what we're seeing, these images coming out of the strike nearby, this hospital, the
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civilian casualties continuing to rise at a disproportionate amount, do you think there's an opening for even more quote, unquote, humanitarian pauses for longer periods of time at this point? >> maybe. there's a clear distinction, yasmin, i think you know between localized and time bound humanitarian pauses to allow people to leave and humanitarian assistance to surge in from cease fires. the administration has not -- actually, they made it quite clear, quote, at this time, they're not in favor of a cease fire. the real question is over time as pressure grows, and the numbers of palestinian casualties and humanitarian catastrophe that the israelis have visited on gaza in an effort to destroy hamas's military infrastructure which is co-located and embedded near civilian areas, whether or not israel's operational clock,
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which is ticking much slower than joe biden's political clock, under pressure from democrats and just about everybody else, whether or not there will be a tipping point when the united states would come to the conclusion that a cease fire is something they're prepared to accept. we're not there yet. but in the weeks and perhaps months ahead, perhaps even sooner, we may see additional pressure from the administration on the israelis. >> what would get the biden administration there, you think, aaron? >> i think you would need a mass casualty event, not that 10,000 or more palestinians who have been killed by israeli air strikes and artillery, and the effort by the israelis to eradicate a mass should be sufficient cause already to create a real sense of alarm in the administration. i think that the president is trapped in the same cruel
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dilemma that the israelis are trapped in. if you want to eradicate hamas in heavily populated civilian areas, i don't see, and no one has found an alternative how to spare palestinian lives, and that, i think, is critically important. israelis pay abide by international humanitarian laws, but it's clear that on the two key issues, the distinction and proportionality, i think the israelis have expanded their rules of engagement. it's a cruel dilemma, and i don't think there's an answer to it right now. >> i want to read for you analysis that i read and i thought was prey fascinating, and it's something that you and i have spoken a before, and i would like you to eand upon a little bit saying this, israel needs to implement in the immediate a intermediate time frame order to change the strategic trajectory two things, regain international legitimacy, and strengthen the p.a., the palestinian authority the first involveding.s. adce, and increasing request for humanitarianaus and
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intermittent local cease the second, strengthening the p.a. requires aramatic shift in israel's political strategic miset, one that may lead to a political process once a settlement in gaza is extended to the west bank. two are patently diplomatic political courses, and neither is possible as long as israel is governed by the hubris of benjamin netanyahu, i'm not responsible, no one warned me, and the band of incompetent extremists he calls his government, and as long as the p.a. is inept, and unpopular. what do you make of the analysis? >> they have made their views as benjamin netanyahu's extremist, homophobic government quite clear is correct. the clock on the international legitimacy is running out. it's extraordinary in a month how far we have moved from the slaughter and carnage of october
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7th to a new reality in gaza, which is bringing additional pressure on the israelis. as far as the palestinian authority is concerned, it will not be an easy lift. mahmoud abbas is in the 18th year of a four-year term. he has virtually no credibility. clearly by settlement activity, and acquiescing in vigilanteism, which the biden administration has raised repeatedly with the government of israel. as far as the future of the netanyahu government is concerned is 1.8 years. the netanyahu government, one year mark comes up in december. if you and i were having this conversation next year at this time, i suspect the current government of israel will have changed. >> aaron david miller, as always, it's a pleasure, sir. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, everybody. what's at stake if house speaker mike johnson cannot strike a deal to avoid a government shutdown in seven days.
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capitol for the long weekend they're going to have very little time to strike a deal when they come back. joining us nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent, garrett haake. deja vu all over again, six and a half weeks or so later. will they or won't they at this point, garrett? >> reporter: look, new speaker same problems. what we're expecting is that mike johnson's office will unveil his plan probably sometime over the weekend. the goal is to give republican lawmakers 72 hours to read it before they bring it to the floor early next week. every indication is that the new speaker is leaning towards this novel strategy of doing something that they're calling a laddered cr, which breaks up government funding into different parts with different times it might expire. this is not something popular with democrats or the white house or republicans in the senate. so it's an interesting choice for a plan, but it's the kind of plan you try to do in the early part of a shutdown week, and leave time for a backup plan in the second half if this doesn't go through. i think what we're seeing here
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is the new speaker trying to go with an idea that will make the far right of his conference happy and maybe protect himself from the fate of the last guy who tried to jam through a spending bill in short order, the former speaker kevin mccarthy. >> saying, i tried to get this through, i couldn't do it. instead, we're going to get the clean bill through again, have a hold over, get something done before christmas. is that what we're looking at when it comes to a reality? and if so, could you have someone like matt gaetz, we know speaker johnson did not get rid of the one vote law, so in fact, he could be removed as speaker just by one person, essentially. >> reporter: look, there's a lot to unpack there. it's popular that you could end up with a short-term clean, or less complex continuing resolution that gets voted on. the senate would like to set up a christmas cliff we've all come to know and love, they force both chambers to agree on a
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yearlong package before the christmas holiday. johnson talked about kicking this out to january or april to buy more time. that might be a little bit more realistic. as for threats against johnson's speakership, i haven't seen that accumulate yet. he doesn't have the accumulated animosity. and i don't think, again, if there's a clean cr, you might get three votes, may be enough, depending on attendance. there's always the threat here. this is part of what got johnson the job in the first place. he doesn't have the enemies list that kevin mccarthy accumulated during his time in the republican party. >> good to talk to you, friend. coming up, everybody. u.s. forces in the middle east were on the receiving end of the most widespread single day of strikes since the war in israel began, and what the u.s. is doing in response. we'll be right back. ing in resp. we'll be right back. ® tri-zone. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3.
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i'm here to say let's do it again. [ applause ] we will do it again. 2024, there is so much at stake. >> all right. president biden is officially on the democratic primary ballot in south carolina. vice president kamala harris traveled to columbia today to formally file the paperwork alongside congressman jim clyburn. this year's calendar shuffle
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means south carolina is going to be the democrats' first in the nation primary on february 3rd. i can't believe it's already here. that campaign kickoff wraps up an eventful few days in the world of politics to say the least. it has been a week for democrats and republicans as well. starting with those rough poll numbers for president biden in a hypothetical matchup with donald trump. eased slightly by a string of democratic wins across the country on tuesday, especially on abortion rights. that was followed by the republican candidates for president taking the debate stage in miami who went against counter programming from donald trump a few miles down the street, to yesterday's surprise announcement from senator joe manchin whose decision not to run for reelection leaves an open seat in ruby red west virginia. what do all the ups and downs mean for the 2024 landscape. back with us, msnbc political analyst, and former rnc chair, michael steele who has been hanging around for the last 35 minutes or so, because he can't wait to talk about this.
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what stood out to you the most this week as we get into it? >> i think the democratic victories sood out. when you contextualize everything from the early polling at the beginning of the weeks from the "new york times" to joe manchin's announcement yesterday, in all of that, the nugget that really stands out for me at least, the lanes by which the democrats can still marshal together wins in 2024. especially in the house. the senate has always been a little bit more problematic, but even there, even there, there are some races that can be competitive for democrats if under the right narrative, so for me, this week, when you top it off was a win for the democrats because they won elections. >> yeah. >> they took back the legislatures in virginia. senate and house. they staved off a very deliberately confusing ballot
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effort in ohio. and they secured for now and the future, kentucky as a relevant player politically for the party. so i think that there's some really good things that can come out of this week so far for them. >> before we get into the nitty-gritty of the senate and what joe manchin not running for reelection could do for democratic control of the senate, how could president joe biden and the reelection campaign capitalize in the wins on tuesday, considering the terrible polling numbers in a hypothetical matchup we saw at the very beginning of the week? >> so once the polls numbers are a flash in the pan. i am not a fan and have not been a fan for my many years in politics of national polling this early out because it really doesn't give you a real sense of -- >> even when you were winning, even if you were winning you
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weren't a fan? >> even if you're winning. because it can delude you into thinking you are in a better position than you may actually be. just as it can strike fear in your heart and make you feel that you're in a worse position than you actually are. we are literally a year out from the next election. if that polling occurred the monday before that tuesday election, the week later, yeah, game over. right? but that's not where we are. so i think we just need to contextualize that, and where's the proof in that. look what happened on tuesday? democrats won big elections. right? despite the fact that joe biden's numbers were in trouble. we saw this in '20. joe biden was in trouble against trump, and pulled off the wins. we saw in 2022 where the democrats were in trouble and there was going to be this great red wave.
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what that tells me is that the republican party is not just now, but continuing to be out of step with the country. on a similar issue of abortion, yes, but i think on underlying issues like democracy. when they're looking at the kinds of candidates that they're putting up to take on the democrats. so there are warning signs there for democrats, there's no doubt, yasmin, but i think, again, going back to the first points, the democrats are in a better position. if they can only get their messaging act together. if they can only tell a story, connect the dots of the infrastructure bill. >> the successes. >> right. all of that. to tap inflation, bringing gas prices back in line. yeah, there are people still feeling stuff out there. you've got to acknowledge that. you haven't touched everyone yet. i think it's time where they let joe biden go out and be biden, do his thing. donald trump certainly is going to do his, and right now, if you
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look at those polls, the warning sign is if you don't get it together, this could happen. >> well, and by the way, we got to remember, it wasn't until south carolina, we thought joe biden there was no way he was going to pull off the nomination for the democratic party, and it was south carolina where they filed the papers today to be the first in the nation democratic primary in which he actually really kind of clinched that nomination or began to really gain the momentum that clinched him that nomination. last thing is joe manchin, how he's going to affect senate control for democrats. west virginia, undoubtedly will go to a republican in the next election. >> surprise. i mean people running around this town like this is news. joe manchin was not running again for reelection, why, because he wasn't going to win against a very popular hard right republican governor in west virginia. so if i'm in the democrats, you know, back rooms, i will have already figured out what my
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dance is going to be in this race. i didn't need joe manchin to tell me he was not running for reelection to know that even if he did he wasn't going to win. joe manchin knew that. that's why he's not running for reelection. so, look, you know, have your strategy together. you know, sometimes politics gives you a heads up, long before you actually get the news. and politically, you have to be in the game. you know, so we know. we take west virginia off the board. give that to the republicans. now we're looking at a better system of what the chess board looks like. what are you going to do in those states like arizona and elsewhere to shore up the election. which republicans are vulnerable, who may be sitting in, you know, purplish states in the next cycle. there's strategies there, i'm hoping that everybody, i know on my side they're looking at. i would presume the democrats are, by just cooling your jets. we knew what happened was going
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of a wider regional threat. joining us now, nbc news pentagon court courtney kube, ali arouzi as well. walk us through what we know about the reporting on the proxy wars that are happening right now, attacks from iran's proxies overseas on u.s. forces. >> reporter: it's ticked up dramatically. we have had 50 attacks on bases with american personnel in iraq and syria since october 17th. for perspective here, while there have been periods over the past several years, there will be days or weeks with attacks, there hadn't been any of these sorts of attacks since march of this year. now we're seeing one just about every single day. that includes things like drones that will go towards the base, packed with explosives, with the intense of striking a facility, injuring and killing americans on board. we have seen rockets and mortars lobbed at these bases. it's important to point out the majority of these attacks have
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not been successful. they have not yielded casualties or damage to infrastructure on these bases, but in that time, there have been at least 56 minor injuries among u.s. personnel. of course there was also a contractor at al assad in iraq who died of a heart attack while sheltering in place during one of these attacks. all this is to say this up tick is really concerning u.s. officials who are worried about the implications. now, while most of these attacks have not been successful, there's a real concern that one of them could be. that is why we have seen the u.s. take a series of strikes in northeastern syria, one on october 26th and one this week. the goal there is to degrade the facilities that these iranian-backed militias are using to carry out the attacks. go after the ammunition, the facilities where they're storing their weapons so they can't continue with these attacks. it's also really intended to send a message to iran, according to defense officials. the message they want to send is
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tell these proxy groups to stop these attacks because if one of them is potentially successful here, this really could widen out into a regional war. that's what the u.s. is trying to avoid here, yasmin. >> so that's the message that is trying to be sent to iran, ali arouzi where you are in teheran for us. you and i have talked repeatedly about how iran has said they do not want the war to expand further, and they don't want to get directly involved, however, their proxies have always carried out these wars on iran's behalf, these conflicts, i should say, regional conflicts on iran's behalf. is that message that courtney just talked about that is trying to be communicated by u.s. forg received in iran at all? >> well, clearly it's not given the number of attacks that iran's proxies have engaged in over the last month. look, iran keeps talking the
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talk, they keep saber rattling, they keep making veiled threats but it always falls short of any of them being complicit in these actions and that's their strategy. just yesterday iran's foreign minister said an expansion of the war in gaza is inevitable. he was making these statements in a phone call with his qatari counterpart. he said due to the expansion of the intensity of war against gaza, expansion of the scope of the war has become inevitable. but again, with iranian officials it's unclear what he meant by inevitable. iranians keep saying these proxies act on their own accord, that they only have backing from iran but they know what to do and when to do and they don't take direct orders from iran. now, that's been reputed by many people because they say none of these proxies would be what they are without iran, but they're
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also walking a very fine line here, i mean, look, last week we saw the hezbollah leader, iran's jewel in the crown of their proxies, make a long speech. there were no threats. there were no ultimatums given to the israelis. he made it very clear that the cavalry was not coming. and that message would be coming from iran. hassan nasrallah is due to speak again tomorrow. i doubt that message is going to change. and part of that, yasmin, is because iran doesn't want to risk its major proxies like hezbollah. it's created these proxies like hezbollah to act as a buffer for itself between the u.s. and israel and other places as it pokes and prods and causes problems in the region. and they're not going to want to sacrifice hezbollah at this stage for palestine. at this juncture, iran may find an enormous amount of sfas in
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the achievement of hamas, that they've been able to strike a devastating blow to israel, anti-semitism is -- anti-israeli protests going on, there are other proxies in the region, doing minor attacks against the u.s. but not enough to invite a massive reprisal. this is all working in iran's favor and they're also going to have talks with the saudis this weekend, and all talks between the saudis and israelis have all but diminished. it's all working in iran's favor, this strategy. >> ali arouzi, thank you, courtney kube, thank you as well. a january 6th rioter turns himself in after a 48-hour manhunt. what he's charged with and what he's facing. when you have chronic kidney disease...
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has turned himself in. he was a police sergeant accused of pepper spraying officers at the capitol on january 6th, 2021. fbi officials saying he surrendered to police, quote, without incident this morning. joining us now is justice reporter and author of the new book "sedition hunters," how january 6th broke the justice system. ryan riley here to talk to us about this. talk to us about the surrender and the state he was in when he surrendered. >> what authorities tell our colleague jonathan -- on wednesday when hay came to arrest him he fled into a wooded area with train tracks back there but had been essentially on the loose for 48 hours until he eventually turned himself in nearby within one or two miles of his home at this police station. so evidently didn't have any sort of vehicle or something that he could escape with that he had planned. >> what can you tell us about the charges he's facing. i know he's accused of pepper
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spraying officers at the insurrection on january 6th. >> online sleuth sedition hunters identified him in january of 2022. it's deny 22 months since he was identified until this arrest came forward and they've really gone through and pored over a lot of these documents and identified him as an individual who was seen sort of unloading this canister of pepper spray at officers as they were trying to protect the capitol. he sort of had flanked them and gone behind them and was spraying it, and there's multiple videos of this. the way they were able to confirm that was to find a bunch of photos on his facebook page that had the items of clothing he was wearing to the capitol that day. >> ryan reilly for us, appreciate it. we're following breaking news, everybody out of new york, mayor eric adams' campaign has just confirmed reporting from the "new york times" saying the fbi seized iphones and an ipad from his home as part of a federal corruption investigation
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into his 2021 election campaign. in a statement to our wnbc affiliate adams' attorney said, quote, this, the mayor immediately complied with the fbi's request and provided them with electronic devices. the mayor has not been accused of any wrongdoing and continues to cooperate with the investigation. we're going to stay on this story and bring you any updates as we get them. that does it for me today, i'm going to see you right back here saturday and sunday, 2:00 p.m. eastern, deadline white house starts right now. ♪♪ hi there, everyone, happy friday, it's now 4:00 in new york. the disgraced twice impeached four times indicted ex-president's campaign is now clearly and brazenly positioning itself as a poison pill to our democracy. trump making it crystal clear that if he ever finds himself back in the white house, he will use the fbi and the
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