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already done it. if they want to follow through on this, yeah, i could certainly happen in reverse. it could certainly happen in reverse. what they have done is they have released the genie out of the box. >> first off, man, genies come out of bottles, not boxes. that aside, trump has been openly admitting his authoritarian vision for america, but top republicans in congress where still aiding and enabling him, including a new ethics complaint against the judge in trump's new york fraud trial. also, brian stelter joins me on his new book about fox, network of lies. if you think the worst was over when tucker was fired, think again. and three distinguished religious leaders join me tonight, each from a different faith. we're going to have a tough but necessary discussion about the israel/gaza conflict and how to begin a constructive dialogue about solutions. and a happy veterans day to
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all who serve. we begin tonight with the further embrace of donald trump's desire to be more like the authoritarian leaders he so publicly admires. russian president vladimir putin, hungarian prime minister viktor orban, and the recipient of his many love letters, north korean leader kim jong-un. that was on display last night when in an interview with univision, the twice impeached, four times indicted former president took a page from their strongman playbook, warning if he wins a second term, he will be justified in using the powers of the presidency to weaponize the fbi and the doj against his perceived enemies. of course, there's no evidence as trump repeatedly claims that president biden or the deep state boogiemen are behind his indictments which include 91 combined state and federal charges. as we have seen, actual evidence is just a formality. trump's remarks come just days after "the washington post" reported that trump told advisers and friends that if he won next year, he would unleash his doj to go after his
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perceived enemies list. which would include some of his former white house officials. trump's doj would function with the express purpose of indicting, imprisoning, and punishing anyone who opposed him. trump repeatedly also wants to invoke the insurrection act on his first day in office. to allow him to deploy the military against civil demonstrations. this is more than just trp's usual bluster. "the washington post" also notes that to facil his ability to direct justice department actions, his associates have been drafting plans to dispense with 50 years of policy and practice intended to shield criminal prosecutions from political considerations. last night, president biden warned supporters at a chicago fund-raiser, folks, the same man who said we should terminate rules and regulations and articles of the constitution is now running to end democracy as we know it. he's not even hiding it. he added trump's actions are all about revenge and retribution.
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two things that motivate any wanna be dictator. and even when trump gets compared to one of the worst autocratic leaders in history, adolf hitler, he appears to see it as a compliment, at least according to a new book by washington correspondent jonathan karl. karl writes about how trump bragged to a member of congress about what angela merkel, not a fan of trump, told him,hat she was amazed by the number of people who came to see him speak. trump said she told me there was only one other political leader who ever got crowds as big as mine. the trump allied congressman knew who merkel was comparing him to, but couldn't tell if trump himself understood. a trump campaign aide denied the account. it's not the first time that that name has been brought up with trump. trump reportedly once told his white house chief of staff, yawn kelly, that hitler did a lot of good things. this was when the two were on a visit to europe in 2018 to mark
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the 100th anniversary of the end of the first world war. trump also reportedly questioned to kelly why his generals couldn't be as totally loyal to him as the german generals were to hitler, according to a book by peter makers and susan glasser. according to a 1990 interview with trump's then wife ivana, she divulged he kept a book of hitler speeches near his bed. quite the bedtime reading material. joining me is michael steele, former rnc chair, msnbc political analyst, and host of the michael steele podcast. and jill wine banks, former assistant watergate aprosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. there's the hitler -- what is it? i think that's the term when you invoke hitler so much it becomes absurd, but with trump, he seems to be into it, michael. >> yeah, i mean, it's the whole a authoritarian thing.
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i don't think he distinguishes. i think ivana, his former wife, sort of says it all. i mean, she's saying yeah, it's by his bedside. you kind of go, oh, really? all right, that's interesting. so he doesn't make these distinctions the way the rest of us do. he's not put off by that comparison. and this is not just, you know, us here at msnbc saying this. these are people who are around him, who are writing about this and telling this side of his story. so we got to take it at face value because i ain't in his bedroom so i don't know what's on his bedside. if his wife says that's what's there, guess who i'm going to believe. so there's all of these story lines that come out about him that fill in the pieces that a lot of us thought were possibly true or maybe curious about. we're realizing now this guy does have this particular complex. and there's a chance he could be back in the oval office.
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and we know what that means. >> exactly. and that's the point, jill. we know what it means because he's telling us. he doesn't have a filter so what he's basically saying is i'm going to arrest anyone that is in my way. i'm going to arrest people using the insurrection act for trying to protest. he's now said on his truth social that the only fraud was committed by letitia james who is prosecuting him and his company and he's been found guilty. she should be prosecuted. he's threatened the judge in that case. any of those people, jill, could be subject to arrest if he's president. and it's not a joke. he is saying he's going to do it. >> he says the quiet part out loud. he doesn't have a filter. he can't help himself. he said there are good people on both sides when the nee onazis marched in charlottesville. he's telling us who he is, and we should believe him. so this whole point of this is very frightening. we should all be worried with
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what is happening now with the anti-semitism rising and him taking on the role of an authoritarian leader who he praises. he's praised viktor orban. he says he would solve everything in the world in ukraine. of course he would because he would give putin everything that putin wants because he admires putin. so this is really bad for justice. his threat of an enemies list is something i'm very familiar with. during watergate, we know that president nixon had an enemies list and he used the irs to go after those people. he used things that even -- he didn't use as many things as i think donald trump is now telling us he will use. he's saying he will use the department of justice and although nixon did through his attorney general try to use the department of justice, he never succeeded at that. we know that now that bill barr has said he's toast, bill barr
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is going to be one of the people he will go after. we need to protect justice. we need to keep the department of justice separate from the white house. it cannot be allowed to mix in specific decisions. >> he's also said that mark milley should be put to death. i think there's a thing, michael, where people don't take donald trump seriously because he doesn't always seem fully corpas mentis but he's very clear about retribution. he has a political party that's willing to go along with t even people who used to be considered normie republicans. witness elise stefanik, harvard girl, used to see like a weirdly conservative moderate republican. but here she is now accusing judge arthur engoron of weaponized law fair against trump. she's called on the judge to recuse himself. she's now filed an ethics complaint against him. republicans are enabling this by essentially using the power of the federal government against federal judges. your thoughts, michael. >> well, elise stefanik is just
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flat out wrong here. i mean, she has no grounds to do this. she has no basis. she can't -- where was this judge and she, where do they cross? what is she talking about? she's not in the case. i bet she couldn't cite anything from the case right now. so this is all again performative. it's the level of performative bs to cloud the system. to grind it to a halt. to make people suspect of it. to make people distrust it. to make people think something nefarious is going on. this judge has been sitting and serving for how long? suddenly now, because elise stefanik has her nose out of joint because donald trump is getting his behind handed to him the way it should for his behavior, she's defending donald trump's behavior, right? by going after the judge. so we have to understand what's going on here and keep it in the context in front of us.
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that this is performative, it is largely irrelevant to the course that this trial is going to take. there are good lawyers involved here. there are good prosecutors involved here. donald trump presumably has hired the best to defend him. you know, elise, just stand down, sis. we don't need you in that room. we don't need you in that room. >> you know, he's hired the best who got paid in advance he could get. >> there's that. >> the best who aren't indicted themselves. >> they probably got the money in gold bars. >> you know that's right. jill there, is this idea of the magas who are embedded. he's embedded so many people in various places that can try to help save him, because this is all about saving himself, obviously. the judge in florida who we will not prejudge. she's seemed very pro-trump before. she's issued a ruling here. she's put off the decision on whether to delay trump's trial in the documents case that even
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bill barr, trump's former toady attorney general has said he's toast on, she's going to delay it. here's the rub. the trial date right now is may 20. the trial date on the other, there d.c. version of this case, is in march. where does the georgia case fit in? in a sense, is she still seeming to sort of block for trump by setting a date that kind of squeezes out the georgia prosecution? or am i being too cynical? >> you are not being too cynical. i share your cynicism. it does seem like by saying, well, i won't decide until march 1st when we have another hearing, that she's holding that block of time so that fani willis' case cannot get scheduled in that time block. and then she might put it off until april, and then of course, there's a may trial coming up that's supposed to go forward, but it's being held. so no one else can schedule anything in that time period.
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that does seem bad. and i think, you know, aileen cannon has shown who she is in her very first entree into this case when she issued a ruling that the 11th circuit, very conservative circuit, said you are so off and totally undid what she had done in trying to stop documents from being used by the government. so i think that we can probably say it's fair to say that she isn't an experienced judge. and that she might be thinking, well, i can help him this way. i said when this first happened that i didn't expect her to grant his original motion to put it off until after the election, but that she would do it by 1,000 cuts. a little bit here and a little bit there. >> yeah, and let's keep in mind that the oldest judge right now i believe on the supreme court is one clarence get money thomas, and she's a young right wing judge, as lawrence o'donnell said, the bribe is
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if the thought of donald trump returning to the white house issen terrifying enough, this week, trump poured out more nightmare fuel when asked aut his potential picks for vice president. >> would you consider tucker,
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though, based on -- >> i lik tucker a lot. i guess i would. i think i say i would because he's got great common sense. >> that would be former fox host tucker carlson, whose common sense from his days bloviating at fox sounded like this. >> our leaders demand that you shut up and accept this. we have a moral obligation to admit the world's poor, they tell us, even if it makes our own country poorer. white supremacy, that's the problem. it's a hoax, it's a conspiracy theory used to divide the country and keep a held on power. the left becomes unhinged when you point out americans are being replaced. what is this really about? why do i hate putin so much? has putin every called me a racist? has he threatened to get my fired for disagreeing with him? >> it might be awkward since we
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learned this year in the final weeks of trump's presidency, tucker was texting about how he hated him passionately. we know that insight into tucker's feelings from texts discovered in discovery in dominion's lawsuit against fox. they settled to the tune of $787.5 million. carlson was canned by fox less than a week later without much explanation from tucker or fox. a new book by brian stelter digs into the circumstances of tucker's firing and including the network's role in radicalizing its viewers. promoting the big lie, january 6th, and new insights of trump's efforts to overthrough the 2020 election. he writes, with or without carlson, fox is the black widow at the center of the web of lies that perverts american politics. and brian stelter joins me now. good to see you. let me start with tucker. i'm going to roll back to him.
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a few of the texts and you get into the texts and here's the book, texts about this is now how white men fight about trump supporters beating an antifa kid. referring to sidney powell as the c-word, saying sidney powell is lying, f'ing b word. was his firing mainly because of his grossness toward other people, or was it, i don't know, going to hungary without authorization and other things you reveal? >> i'm a long time viewer, first time guest. great to be on with you. i think you named three or four of the many reasons. there's a list of 20 or 10 reasons he was canned. i devote many chapters of the book because it's a mystery, and tucker is promoting conspiracy theories for why he was fired, blaming dominion. this was a bad breakup, like a relationship that goes sour when one side has 20 reasons to dump the other side. the other side doesn't see it
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coming. this was building for a long time. rupert murdoch decided it wasn't worth it anymore. as one source said to me, his arrogance destroyed him. one producer said we were burning too bright. we knew it wasn't going to last. >> talk about the insight about how they think about why they wanted to put people like sidney powell on, why they wanted to put on the january 6th stuff and the outrageous lies they got sued for. >> i think it was a self preservation instinct. wanting to believe the lies, wanting to give false hope to millions of viewers. it was driven largely by profits and ratings. you know, there's examples you see in these dominion filings which i had to write this book because there were so many details in the papers that it demanded someone write the book. examples of these producers and these hosts obsessed over the minute by minute ratings. what they notice is when we talk about voting irregularities, the
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ratings tick up. i was at cnn nearly a decade. i didn't study the minute by minute ratings to figure out, that is next level engineering to keep the audience addicted. and ultimately, that is what drove so many of these falsehoods. >> you talk about the black widow at the heart of our democracy. lachlan murdoch versus rupert murdoch, is there any difference, any directional change, or does it get worse? >> rupert is much more of a newspaper man. he believes he's a journalist at heart, and he detested donald trump. as a family friend said, he can't believe we're going to end up with trump as the nominee again. then again, he doesn't seem to be doing much to stop it. lachlan murdoch cares a lot less about politics. i'm told he personally is not a fan, he holds his nose like a lot of republican party establishment types but he's not doing anything to stop the trump train. he cares a lot about campaign ad spending at histations than he cares about polling and things like that. you're not going to see them do
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anything really to stop this coronation of trump, even though, by the way, trump complains about fox all the time. he says fox is out to get him, but that couldn't be further from the truth. >> yeah, let me play a bit of a montage of the way fox sounds now post tucker. >> what does that leave you with? it leaves you with you need to make war to bring peace. you have a side that cannot change because then that means an admission their beliefs have been corrupt all the time. so in a way, you have to force them to surrender. >> or we could make love not war. >> i tried that once. >> or we have an election. >> i had to go to a doctor. >> elections don't work. we know that. we know they don't work. >> i want to say something about arab americans and the muslim world. we have created the middle east. we made them rich. we got that oil out of the ground. our military protects all of
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these oil shipments. flying around the world, making them rich. we fund their military. we respect their kings. we kill their terrorists. okay. but we have had it. we have had it with them. >> so that's first greg gutfeld and then jesse waters. what did you learn in doing the research for this book? is it a bottom up thing? is this the audience craves this and so fox serves it, or are they engineering this kind of sort of necrophilic attitude toward american culture and divisiveness. are their engineering it or taking in what their audience wants? >> in the roger ailes era, it was top down. now, it's bottom up. it's driven by the audience. the audience is in charge, which is a scary prospect sometimes, even though i love our viewers. i agree with your banter a moment ago. jesse waters has taken over as the prime time extremist. they think they're respecting
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the audience. that's the quote that comes up time and time again. they think they're respecting the audience by giving the audience what they want. that's actually disrespectful, and it's hurt the gop. i would argue that fox is sometimes hurting the republican party that it thinks it's helping. that's an interesting dynamic in 2024. >> the book, network of lies. we love books. we're going to sell it and hold it up here. please, everyone, read it. brian stelter, you're one of the best out there doing the thing. coming up on "the reidout," three religions share ties to land that is once again the scene of bloody conflict in the middle east. i'll talk with representatives of all three about how to end the hatred and violence after this. nd violence after this ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death
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. the conflicts that have come to define violence in the middle east are dispute over land and also religion and the people who comprise each faith. but jews, christians, and muslims have more in common than people think. the three religions trace their origins to the same person, the prophet abraham. he's viewed as the father of the jewish people and the first to make a covenant with the monotheistic god we think of today. he would offer protection and land to abraham and his desndants. in christianity, abraham is the father of the faith. his intention to obey god by
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sacrificing his son isaac is seen as a foreshadowing of god's offering of his son. the prophet abraham known to muslims as ibrahim has a role as well. they trace their lineage to abraham's first son, ishmael. think about it. abraham is a point of unity for all three of these religions. three religions, one region sacred to all of them. including the cities of jerusalem, nazareth, and bethlehem, and one forefather are instead embroiled in one of the most divisive conflicts of the 21st century. where did it all go wrong? tonight, we invited three religious leaders to address this question. joining me now are bishop william barber, founding director of the center for public theology at yale divinity
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school. rabbi sharon bruos, and an imam, senior imam of the islamic society. i'm sorry, islamic society of greater oklahoma city and chair of the islamic studies department at the wimberley school of religion at oklahoma city university. thank you all for being here. i have been excited about and trying to make this conversation happen for quite some time, so i thank you all. i'm going to go ladies first, to our wonderful rabbi. and i just want to ask you about this, because you know, i think the thing that is so jarring about what's happening right now in the middle east is that it's a conflict almost among cousins. it's almost like a war among cousin religions, and peoples. how do you view it, and what is our way out of people thinking of each other as the other when they're all the children in many ways of abraham? >> thank you so much, joy, for
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having me here with the imam and my good friend bishop barber. i'm so glad you started with abraham. actually, the portion that jews all around the world are reading on this shabbat tells the story of the death of sarah and the death of abraham, and i just -- as you were speaking, it makes me think of one important note in that story that happens right at the end of this portion, which is that abraham's two sons, isaac and ishmael, are estranged from each other. throughout the course of their life, they spend many, many years apart. but after the trauma that isaac experiences when his father almost sacrifices him on top of the hill, the first thing he does when he steps out of that trauma is he finds his way to his estranged brother. and the two of them reconcile with one another. and they spend years together, and they actually, they build a different kind of future together. and i find that to be a very heartening message for us.
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in this time in which it seems like we have these irreconcilable differences, we are cousins, we are family. what it takes is people who are willing to break script enough to find our way not into war but to find our way toward one another with open hearts and with a quest and yearning for peace. >> yeah, and imam, i think that's beautifully said. and i want to bring you in on this as well, because if you think about it, if you do the 700 years of the ottoman empire, all three of these people lived in this region and shared this region together. it's a more recent phenomenon that you had the sort of drawing of lines by european nations who decided lines of demarcation for nations and sort of entered wars between these groups. how do you see the future of a world in which these regions could return to a state of grace with one another? >> i'm glad we started with abraham as well. you know, muslims are descendant
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of prophet ishmael as well. as a rabbi said, the two brothers came toward toward the end, and they actually buried their father together. both ishmael and isaac came together and buried their father abraham together. yes, the ottoman empire and throughout the whole region, muslim, jews, and christians lived in perfect harmony. most of the sciences we're enjoying nowadays can be traced to spain where they lived together. those are sciences that brought all the intellectual people together in order to better humanity. the way forward is for us as i always kid around when i always say, i say jews, muslims, and christians are brothers from different mothers. literally brothers from different mothers. i think that the way going forward is to understand before
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we are brothers from different mothers, we are actually human beings. and we are the sons and the daughters of abraham. and our father right now looking at all this family feud would be probably weeping. >> yeah. family feud, and mass death. and tragic needless death. bishop barber, you and i have had this conversation. i will disclose to folks, we have talked about this on the phone. now we're going to bring our conversations to real life. christians, you know, may not understand that in a future in which there is a palestine if they visit bethlehem, that would be in what would be palestine. it's in the occupied west bank, or you know, jesus of nazareth, nazareth is a majority muslim city. bethlehem -- it's like these sacred places, jerusalem and bethlehem and all of these, they're located all on top of one another in these regions. they're sacred to all.
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how do we get to a place where people can recognize each other as the imam said, brothers from different mothers? >> yeah, we get so trapped in language that's political and not just theological and political. i talk about jesus being a palestinian jew, but i'm a christian preacher. in this moment what i want to emphasize, as you're saying and the rabbi and the imam are saying, the moral commitments we share together, and one of those greatest moral contributions is every person is created in the image of god. every person is a reflection of god. that doesn't have anything to do with the lines we have drawn or who we say people are, all of us. and the islamic teaching say to save one life is to save humanity. christian testament teaches out of one blood god created many people. if that's the starting point and why we're speaking to the world,
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if that's the starting point, we have to say an unequivocal no to indiscriminate violence especially against women, children, the elderly, the sick. we have to say what hamas did on the 7th is wrong, and what net ayahoo and the government, not the people there, is doing in gaza is wrong. and if you start there with this, who we are as a people, so what we have to do, and there will be a lot of terms, but what we mean, whatever term you use, is you must stop it. stop what? we must lift a moral plea to stop murder, stop occupation, stop kidnapping and using hostages. stop using people as pawns. we have to find a way, and it's happening. they're standing together, stop indiscriminate killing. stop it, stop it. because if we don't put a restraint on that, we end up destroying the very thing that we want to preserve and defend, that is recognizing the humanity
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of all people. that has to be a starting point for any kind of real solutions. >> amen to that. rabbi, what would you say to the leaders of this country if you could talk to them about what they could be doing and saying differently about the way they're dealing with what's happening in gaza and in israel? >> well, it depends if we're talking about the academic leadership, the political leadership. one of the traps the bishop is speaking about is there's a kind of false binary that i recognize joy that you're trying to break by even bringing the three of us together in this conversation, the four of us together in this conversation. there's this sense that you're either with the israelis or the palestinians. i'm with humanity. my heart breaks for my jewish family and also for my human family. so i am deeply, deeply worried about my family's safety, about my jewish family's safety in israel and here in the united states. and i'm also deeply worried about the palestinian cancer patients who wonder if they'll
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even find safe haven in a hospital in gaza and the parents who are writing their names on the legs. i'm worried about the people who are held hostage. i'm worried about the thai workers being held hostage right now. i think the first thing leadership needs to do is take a breath, and speak more responsibly in this moment because there are literally lives on the line, and it feels really good to be tribal in moments like this, and to fight for our team, and to stand up and scream slogans that rhyme with each other. but what we actually have to do is avoid the dehumanizing rhetoric, which we know will lead to acts of dehumanization, to more violence. this is a malignancy in our culture. it's really a sickness, and i'm very worried about the days ahead. in terms of the political leadership, i am very grateful that the members of the biden administration have called for a temporary humanitarian pause, which will allow for humanitarian relief to get into gaza, relief for those families
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that are really in imminent danger, for those children, and call for the immediate release of the hostages, the 240 who have been kidnapped from southern israel. among them, members of my family, of my community members including many young children and elders, as we know right now. >> indeed. and imam, the same question to you. what would you like to see the leadership in our country do and say differently? >> well, the solution for this issue is going to come from courageous leadership. the rabbi here at temple ben israel and myself went to the city of oklahoma city, and we stood and addressed the council men and women about the rise in islamophobia and anti-semitism. often, i would talk to the rabbi in oklahoma city and say if it's up to the people of faith, the religious leaders, we could get
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this one solved. political leaders unfortunately have their own political interest in mind. and the language they use all the time is not the language of reconciliation. i have four members of my family who have been killed in gaza myself. and my heart also bleeds for the people who are being kept hostage at this time as well. i think people of faith have this in common. confucius once held a baby on top of a well and he was about to drop the baby to his death, and everybody gathered. people who were males, females, faith, without faith. and he said, how many of you will be distressed if i drop this baby in the well? everybody raised their hand. and he said, thus, the human creed. we need a human creed at this
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it's fineeeeeeee! [splash] before advil: advil dual action fights pain two ways. advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. advil dual action. . because time is a flat circle, we are once again one week away from a government shutdown thanks to republicans who killed two party line funding bills and left for a
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long weekend with the house republican telling nbc news that their party is ungovernable. but never fear, nbc reports their new speaker plans to release the text of his resolution to continue to fund the government tomorrow, just six days before the deadline. that would set republicans up for a vote on tuesday if they can agree on anything. republicans have clearly been taking the funding process super seriously with some members reduce the salaries of biden to officials, including white house press secretary karine jean-pierre, kransitation secretary pete buttigieg and deb haaland to $1, and defunding kamala harris' office entirely. serious governing stuff here, folks. joining me is dean obeidallah, and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida who for i cannot figure out the reason every time i say this, is no longer affiliated with the party. make it make sense, david. what are they doing? they're not winning these fights to defund the vice president's
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office. that's what they're doing instead of fubding the government. make it make sense. >> it's friday night. let's be honest, the word idiocy comes to mind. they all came out of the republican conference ten days ago and they were unified and went to the house floor to a unanimous vote for the speaker. i think they're mistaking unity for victory. they haven't won anything. that's the real problem here. they're still trying to figure out their own internal dynamic to get internal support for what they will offer. they're ignoring the legislative math that they only have a few votes. they have to work with jefferies, a democratic senate, and joe biden. house republicans are going to lose this fight. the question is how much pain let's talk about a different kind of infighting in the republican party? nikki haley and vivek ramaswamy, the hate that hate produced, let's play the clip. >> in the last debate, she made fun of me for actually joining
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tiktok. her own daughter was actually using the app for a long time. you might want to take care of your family first. >> leave my daughter out of your voice. >> the next generation of americans are using, and that's actually a point. her supporters propping her up, that's fine. >> you are just scum. >> dean brown on brown crime is way before its crime. your thoughts? >> i think that's my favorite show. gop fight club. i could watch it every single night. this is ramaswamy, he's so unlikable. he's like the guy in a horror film where the monster gets tim and you're like good i'm glad he does. there's nothing redeeming about vivek. he's awful. he makes me cheer for nikki haley which is unbelievable i'm not sure i'm teen haley in this fight. these two are fighting who can be second in command on the titanic. that's what this gop is going with. captain donald trump. it's going to sink. we want donald trump as a nominee at this point, we really do, tuesday, nominate trump, we love, it thank you.
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>> nominate trump but david jolly, the risk here is that if trump beat biden, it might be trump the bide manchin running with no labels, plus robert f. kennedy running on the anti vax ticket. there's a lot of people running. there's also a lot of polling showing that rfk junior is beating trump among young voters in key states, manchin's retirement, it looked to me and his video like he's running, are there going to be five people on this ballot, and who winds that dogfight? >> there could be, and, look the reality is there are more americans today who identify themselves as not affiliated with a party than affiliated with the democratic or republican party. that's important to recognize. but i think they're calling in this moment for manchin and rfk junior and stein and others is are you willing to risk democracy itself for your own vanity project? the system is simply setup for two parties. you can argue that's right or wrong. but the infrastructure is set up for two parties. a third party or independent
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candidate will manipulate that, and you risk reelecting donald trump. you really do. unless it's rfk, the anti-vaxxer, a republican in sheep's clothing. do you really want to risk donald trump returning to the white house? for that reason alone, avoid a vanity run for the white house. protect democracy. support joe biden. >> let's not let ll stein go down the memory hole. just gonna put it there. her margins of victory in pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin were more than the margin of victory for donald trump. that's how we got in the first place. -- i want to play a piece of sound for you, though. talk just a little bit about what's happening in gaza and israel. there was a piece of sound that is so outrageous, i have to play for you specifically, dean. this was the response when a democratic representative in florida said -- they asked a question. take a listen. >> we are at 10,000 dead palestinians, how many will be enough? i also, one of my colleagues
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just said all of them. wow. one of my colleagues said all of them. one of my colleagues also stated that this is going to dry up their fundraising if we vote on this resolution. i also want that, that's what we've become in this state. >> her resolution, i should say, by the way, was calling for a cease-fire. she's representative angie benson. your thoughts? representative michelle salts nerve, the person who yelled all of them, she says she was talking about hamas. that's not what i heard. what did you hear, dean? >> what happens is when you call out peoples bigotry, they go i only mean the bad ones. for years, i've heard oh, muslims are really bad, they're all terrorists. you confront those people, they do say, oh i just met the people in i.s.i.s. and al-qaeda. you called the. matt you just had a great panel with three faith leaders. -- it's my from the beginning.
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we can denounce hamas for a terrorist attack and also denounced netanyahu, now, for his military killing upwards of 4000 children. senator chris van hollen, last, week talked, about in the senate, six times more children have been killed in gaza then the first three weeks of his combat, then in the entire month of children killed in the ukraine during that war. it's not that russia doesn't have the capability to kill 4000 children in a month, they made a choice not to. that's the difference. that's why people are calling for a cease-fire. the loss of life is devastating. the world is watching. it's heartbreaking. i don't know what's going to stop it. but i'm really hoping more democrats and more democrats will speak out. a cease-fire doesn't make you pro hamas. i don't care what people in the right say. it makes you pro humanity. then we can figure out ways to get rid of hamas without killing innocent palestinians on the way to do that. >> amen to that. dean obeidallah, david jolly, thank you both very much. we'll be right back. right back. that get tails and tongues wagging.
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