evidence to bring charges. >> i did a good deed, and i did a lot of good things, and that's where i feel the redemption come to me. i've done something good for the things that i did wrong. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. ♪ ♪ ♪ good sorry morning and welcome to morning joe: weekend, let's dive right into the week's top stories. >> ron desantis, nikki haley, tim scott, the deck ramaswamy,

and chris christie. this part over a number of issues from israel's war with a mosque to abortion donald trump was recently at no-show and said he held a rally in a miami suburb. for the first question of the night of the candidates were asked why they should be the republican nominee for president instead of donald trump. here are their answers. >> and donald trump's a lot different guy than he was in 2016. he owes it to you to be on the stage and explain why he should get another chance. be sure to explain why he didn't have mexico pay for the border wall, he should explain why he racked up so much debt, he should explain why he should drain the swamp and he said republicans were going to get tired of winning. we saw last night, i'm sick of republicans losing. >> i can tell you that i think is the right president at the right time. i don't think he's the right president now. i think that he put us eight trillion dollars in debt and our kids are never going to forgive us for that.

>> anyone's gonna be spending the next year and a half of their life focusing on keeping there've cells out of jails and courtrooms cannot leave this party or country. >> we need a president and candidate who will actually help our base solidify and attract independent voters into our party. >> those are for the five answers to that question about donald trump. we didn't show vivek ramaswamy, even answer the question, he attacked the moderators instead. charlie sykes, let me begin this conversation with you. in a parallel universe there are three, four, candidates up there who could be a strong republican nominee in the pre-trump world. but, as i said, they all trail him as you look at national polls or even these early state polls by 30, 40 points. so, what did we gather from last night? >> yeah, this is a surreal moment. i think we need to pull back for the reality check. write a moment hour the former president of the united states is on trial for more than 90

felony accounts and fraud allegations. refused to show up to any of the debates and it barely registers as an issue, and he is up by 30 points. so, what you saw last night was almost a, it was going through the motions of the debate is if it was going to make a difference the only thing that's at stake now is he's going to be in second place will be the last person standing before trump clinches the nomination. , but it's just an amazing moment that don't trump's made the calculation that he doesn't need to explain any of those things. he doesn't need to answer, it doesn't need to be on the stage. the rnc is basically powerless, so what you saw was a group of folks that is running against donald trump, but have not yet figured out how to do it. which is really remarkable when you consider all of the things that are on the plate for donald trump. this is a man who's been found liable for rape, a man who is facing charges for violating the espionage act, to try to

overthrow the government, who is sitting in a new york courtroom because isn't her business empire is based on fraud, and yet, these republican candidates can't figure out had run against him. it's an extraordinary moment. >> yeah, they didn't mention anything you just laid out very easily. and we didn't hear last time. we didn't hear governor christie say this guy's going to be in a courtroom all year last year. i don't think you should be our nominee. , but didn't get specific on taking new york documents and secrets back -- overturning his election and checking the foundation of democracy. you didn't hear any of that. so you are at the trump rally nearby. some glancing blows, i think, at some of the candidates running against him. what else did you hear last night? >> i mean, mostly was a standard fare you heard about schiff cliché of, ron sanctimonious. he referred to -- he did not address nikki haley by name. he called her bird brain. but the only real [inaudible] that there was a debate was him saying that there was a debate

someplace else. i'm in front of tens of thousands of cheering people, and that's better. there were not tens of thousands -- as you might imagine, willie, there were not tens of thousands of people last night. the capacity was 5000. it was a good sized crowd. i saw that. ron desantis's team tweeted part of the stadium that was not filled, but you know, there was not one person on that stage last night who could attract a crowd that's a fraction of what we saw turnout for trump in highly a last night. but the team did seem to want to take the debates somewhat seriously, at least acknowledge it. they had what they called a spin room, which was really just a bunch of trump supporters standing in front of us and they let us talk to campaign officials while trump supporters were watching us. and they wanted to acknowledge the debate. they didn't really hit people. they just said they didn't feel that he needed to debate here. they said that trump would

definitely debate biden. but the thing that came that was clear after talking to some of these trump folks was they don't know what to do about abortion. you know, they saw what happened on wednesday night, excuse, me on tuesday night. and talk to me about a moderated quote, using air quotes on that, on abortion, something like maybe a 15-week ban. but as i noted, that didn't work in virginia, so what are you all going to do? that's something they really don't have an answer to. they're not worried about the primaries, but they don't have an answer to that. >> to jen's point, to topics, i just can't get their arms around. donald trump and abortion. the republican presidential hopefuls grappled with the parties position on abortion rights, following overwhelming victories for reproductive freedom. and women's health across the country. in tuesday's elections. the five candidates onstage could not agree on how the

parties should best handle the issue, including governor ron desantis, who signed a six-week abortion ban in florida. you've >> got to work from the bottom up. you gotta do a better job on these referenda. i think of all the stuff that's happening to the pro life cause, they've been caught flat-footed on these referendum, and they have been losing the referendum. a lot of people who were voting for the referendum where the republicans would vote for republican candidate. you gotta understand how to do that. >> this is a personal issue for every woman in every man. i am unapologetically pro-life, not because the republican party tells me to be, but because my husband michael was adopted and i had trouble having both of my children. so i'm surrounded by blessings. having said that, when you look post roe, a wrong was made right. they took it out of the hands of unelected justices and they put in the hands of the people. and now we're seeing states vote. and what i'll tell you, is as much as i'm pro-life, i don't judge anyone for being

pro-choice and i don't want them to judge me for being pro-life. so when we're looking at, this there are some states that are going more on the pro-life side. i welcome that. there are some states that are going more on the pro-choice side. i wish that wasn't the case, but the people decided. when it comes to the federal law, which is what's being debated here, be honest. it's going to take 60 senate votes, a majority of the house, and it president design it. so we have had 60 senate votes in over 100 years. we might have 45 pro-life senators. so no republican president can't ban abortions anymore than a democrat president can ban the state laws. so let's find consensus. let's go agree on how we can ban late term abortions. let's encouraged options and good quality adoptions. let's make sure we make contraception accessible. let's make sure that none of these state laws put a woman in jail or given the death penalty for getting in abortion. let's focus on how to save as many babies as we can and support as many moms as we can. and stop the judgment. we don't need to divide america

over this issue anymore. >> we need a 15-week federal limit, three out of four americans agree with a 15-week limit. 47 out of 50 countries in europe agree with a 15-week limit. i would challenge both nikki and ron to join me at a 15-week limit. >> i trust the people of this country, state by state, to make the call for themselves. now, that's going to lead to a lot of divergence. in oklahoma, you can't get an abortion unless the life of the mother is at risk. in my home state of new jersey, it's nine months as you can get an abortion. i find that morally reprehensible, but that's what the people of our state of voted for, and we should not so short-circuit that process until every state people have the right to weigh in on it. >> okay, what i find morally reprehensible, jen, is talking about women having abortions in the ninth month, which chris christie repeatedly does.

it's the most ridiculous argument out there, and it's dishonest, to say the least. so to this issue, though, instead of getting into an argument about the fact that that doesn't happen, here we are with joe biden going against the republicans, the front runner, donald trump, and the other republicans trying to beat him in a primary, who can't win on abortion, and they can't agree on donald trump, nikki haley calling donald trump a person who said that somebody who gets an abortion should be punished was the right president at the right time. the problem is authenticity. the problem is how can they be believable when they are working in within a framework that was set up by donald trump, which means standing by an entire environment of lies? >> it is remarkable to me that -- as charlie said, it's surreal. that whole debate within the

debate that goes on in the republican party, when they act as if donald trump isn't there. and these candidates, like last night, they were going with such precision on each other's records and who had -- who's website said what about some issue at what time on china. but ignoring trump, thinking that it's going to bed or who the second place finisher is in iowa or new hampshire and south carolina. but there it is, that is going to matter. we just haven't seen any evidence that who that second place finisher is is going to matter. and when i wasn't -- last night talking to trump supporters that were there, they had no awareness that there are even was a debate last night. there is not even any thought that's given to the primary. but for both trump and his primary opponents, they really don't know what to do about abortion. >> stay with us. morning joe weekend will be back after a short break.

j.p. morgan wealth management knows it's easy to get lost in investment research. get help with j.p morgan personal advisors. hey, david! ready to get started? work with advisors who create a plan with you, and help you find the right investments. so great getting to know you, let's take a look at your new investment plan. ok, great! this should have you moving in the right direction. thanks jen. get ongoing advice; and manage your investments in the chase mobile app.

right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. ♪♪ remember the things you loved doing... before your asthma got in the way? get back to the things you love... with fasenra. fasenra is an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma. having too many eosinophils, a type of white blood cell, can cause inflammation and asthma symptoms. fasenra is designed to target and remove eosinophils and helps prevent asthma attacks. fasenra is 1 dose every 8 weeks. fasenra can help patients to breathe better. most patients did not have an asthma attack in the first year. and fasenra helps lower the use of oral steroids. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor.

tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. get back to better breathing. and get back to your life. ask your doctor about fasenra. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. >> trump is a republican party with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ahh, -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein 30 grams protein, one gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients for immune health. (♪♪)

have lost the elections in 2017, 2018, 2019, hold on let's see. does it end there? no, no! they lost also in 2020. they lost in 2021. there has to be a win for republican sometime soon, because they keep going back to donald trump. so maybe they won in 20 -- no, no, no, no! trump republicans lost in 2022 and they lost in 2023. and the crazy thing is, you look at these primary voters, they don't really care. it's a donald trump is a

political heroin of losing. you just take a shot in 2016 and you lie back and you're smiling while your party loses in 2017, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, and 23. and you're coming back for more in 24. >> donald trump, i would add, lost the popular vote in 2016. of course, where electoral college. but that's also true. daniel cameron, the republican rising star in the republican party was backed by donald trump in the state of kentucky. ran a tough race, and the lost by five points. the democrat, the governor andy beshear, won very impressively last night. remember, last time around, he won by four tenths of a point. governor beshear, the democrat in the state donald trump won by 26 points. >> in kentucky! >> trump won by 26 points, winning handily by five points. so, this was donald trump and mitch mcconnell's candidate here. big loss for them there. and the issue, i know we're gonna talk about a little bit

this morning, of abortion, abortion plane in this race, plain in ohio, of course, and that ballot initiative. plane in virginia. all across the country, republicans again falling down on this issue that they saw wanted. they so craved overturning roe versus wade. they got it 18 months ago, and they continue to pay for it politically. >> boy, they get pounded. it's like i've said for years. one of my favorite political sayings. i heard the late senator paul simon from in noise say it. in public, sometimes when you win, you lose, and sometimes when you lose, you win. there's never been a greater example of that then when the united states supreme court in light of what i think, political sleazy maneuvers, impact of the court and has a cord that is deeply conservative and unrepresentative of the rest of the country. and they overturned a 50-year precedent that 73% of americans

were against being overturned. and the political ramifications just keep coming in, whether it's in kansas, in kentucky, whether it's in wisconsin, whether it's -- you name it, everywhere, abortion -- the rights of women to make health care choices keep winning. in state, after state, after state, after state, election, after election, after election. at this point, you would really think republicans would get it, but they don't. i'll tell you another thing. it's a real footnote from last night, but election benign, a loser and in fact, you know, jonathan, if you go into kentucky, where i will say again, a democrat, a democrat despite the new york times polls, a democrat won the state of kentucky. but the republican that did the

best in the state of kentucky was a secretary of state candidate who strongly and vocally took aim at election deniers. and pounded away at them. and has never once allowed any election denying in his campaign. and he won big in kentucky last night. it's just like georgia, where, you know, you have georgia republicans who crushed donald trump's hand selected candidates in 22, and they did it again by being strong against election denying. >> yeah, we saw this in last year's midterms to. the most high-profile election deniers all lost, whether they were governor or senator. yes, a bunch still in the house of representatives, we know that. but election denialism is a losing issue for republicans writ large. so as just discussed, abortion. abortion rights wins again.

women want the right to health care, to make their own decisions for them. we saw that in ohio, with a huge win there in a state that has trended red. we saw play a big role in virginia, which is really potentially upended governor gregg youngkin's political future, at least chat around him as a rising star. he took a big loss yesterday. up and down the ballot, this was winds for abortion rights, and also, let's be clear, a win for democrats. and as so many were blown up my phone all night, so pleased this results come. -- over the weekend that look so -- for president biden. poll say what they say, but democrats in the age of trump, they win elections year after year, a special election, an off year election, midterm election, presidential election, democrats win elections. and, look a lot of work has to be done. democrats and illegitimate, before next year, that race is going to be very tight, but this, last night, previewed a little bit of the driving forces that were going to shape that campaign to.

>> democrats were lining up to ron and challenge joe biden before the 22 midterm because they were sure the red wave was going to be so terrible. they were lining up, they were calling around, they were getting their finances in order, and then, boom, once, again joe biden's underestimated. 23, boom, same thing happens again. you can go back to the 2020 election. we said all the time. after iowa, biden's tooled, biden's out. after new hampshire, biden's old, biden's out. after nevada, biden's old, biden's out. then he comes into south carolina, he picks up an endorsement, and he crushes the rest of the field. he's president the united states, despite the fact that donald trump and all of his allies that he's too old, he's campaigning in his basement. he's too old. boom. he wins again. it just keeps happening. i mean, it's crazy. you know, kathy, sometimes we try to make politics a lot harder than they are. and i had a friend who is an

immigrant to the united states called me up, and he's trying to figure out american politics. and he calls me last night and he says, he says i need to understand something. this abortion thing. i go, yeah, what? he goes, if somebody is against abortion, don't have an abortion. i go, yeah. he goes, don't republicans understand, that's why they're losing? if they don't want to have an abortion, don't have an abortion. but don't tell everybody else not to have abortions. isn't that the way it should be? and i said to her, well, i think americans think so. and again, they do. and by the way, it's not like left-wingers. these are republicans. these are independents. these are moderates. the overturning of roe, it has got to be the most devastating single event for the republican

party in -- since watergate. >> it's not like roe forced people to have abortions. and it's men to, by the way. the returns last night from ohio suggested that 54% of men also voted in enshrining abortion rights in ohio's constitution. it's not just women. i keep hearing, especially from democrats, that women are really furious. i think this is an issue that affects all couples. it affects all families. husbands know what their wives go through. and the number of abortions, by the way, in america, has not fallen precipitously since roe v. wade was overturned anyway. this is something people need. it's a health care issue. and you saw it in the results last night. you are talking to a friend of yours who's an immigrant. i was texting somebody from the trump campaign last night who was saying, well, donald trump is going to position himself as the moderate candidate on abortion. he's going to say that he's in favor of a 15-week band with, you know, restrictions, and

restrictions, and exceptions later on. that didn't work out so well for glenn youngkin. that's exactly what he was proposing. he was proposing a 15-week ban with exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. and virginians pretty clearly in eye-popping lee expensive races throughout this state came down and said, no, they wanted to enshrine abortion rights in the state, in the commonwealth, and it would've been critical, right? because no other southern states with abortion rights. so it was critical virginians in that respect. >> look at this. >> you look, how important is abortion in the vote in the state legislator. 60% import and. 20% fairly important. and only 19% not too important at all. 80% of virginians said it was important. and it's, you know, what's so interesting and kathy, i'm so glad you brought up youngkin, who really got crushed last night. just absolute worst-case

scenario for glenn youngkin. they were trying to take the senate. republicans, youngkin, was doing everything he could. ended up not only did they get battered in the senate, i mean, they lost the house, which nobody was saying they lost a house. did you know, willie? the whole 15-week with exceptions approach to abortion? that would have worked when roe was still law of the land because i saw the polls. the plurality of americans wanted that. so many americans since they've been seen these bands have been pushed now to they want to go back to row. they want to go to bat back to viability. and so, what worked before roe got overturned doesn't work now. >> still ahead, amid israel's war against hamas, nick christophe of the new york times just reconnected with two palestinian man that he first met in the west bank back in

1982. what their story reveals about the overall conflict. that's ahead on morning joe weekend. [bell ringing] and doug says, “you can customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual.” he hits his mark —center stage— and is crushed by a baby grand piano. are you replacing me? with this guy? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache! oh, look! a bibu. [limu emu squawks.] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ we're building a better postal service. for more on-time deliveries.

and easier, affordable ways to ship. so you can deliver even more holiday joy. the united states postal service. delivering for america. from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog's food to the farmer's dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there's no magic involved. (dog bark) it's just smarter, healthier pet food. it's amazing what real food can do. as israel's war to root out

hamas terrorists in gaza presses on, there is also been a rise in violence between israeli settlers and palestinians in the west bank. the united nations says there has been an average of seven attacks by jewish settlers on west bank palestinians each day. since the october 7th hamas terrorist attack. new york times columnist nick kristoff just returned from the west bank, where he reunited with two palestinian man that he first met their back in 1982. how their lives and the region have changed in the decades

since is the subject of his latest column for the paper entitled losing the hope in the west bank. >> you know, nick, nick and i were so moved by your column. >> incredible. >> and as i read the opening of it and started it, and you were talking about these two students that you met in 1982 when you were a law student traveling on a local bus in the west bank, you said, and then i looked through my old address book. and i was like, come on, come on, he's not going to meet backup with them. but you actually did. and you talk about the extraordinary life that you've lived over the last 40 years, but you also talked about their life of despair. take us through the process of you meeting up with your two old friends. >> sure, so in 1982, when i met both of them, we were all students. we were all full of ambition for a graduate study to travel

the world, have fulfilling careers. and then, i thought i would send a thank you note, so i wrote down their names and addresses every day. we had a great day together, but i had no idea what could happen to them. and i've had this great career. i was able to look them up and find them. if you're a palestinian refugee in a refugee camp, you're not very mobile. so they're still in that same refugee camp. they were for that reason quite easy to track down. and he won had wanted to do a ph.d. in egypt in arabic studies. mahmoud wanted to earn a master's in spanish in spain. but they've been unable to leave the west bank, to get that education. when i first met them, they were able to drive to tel aviv to go to the beach for the day. they could travel anywhere. now, mahmoud can even go to his

doctor in jericho because of all the checkpoints, barriers. and these guys, they're not political. they've not been in trouble. they just tried to keep their head down. but they were seething with frustration. at one point, there were fired from their jobs as high school teachers for somewhat unclear reasons. mahmoud had violated a curfew and even in jail for 18 days, and sala had -- the soldiers thought he hadn't been aggressive enough and stopping throwing rocks. they were all these dreams that had been replaced by frustration. >> and nick, they really were victims of political meltdown. of course, israelis saw the bus bombings that were happening throughout the 80s, and so, they cracked down security

measures. united states certainly wouldn't have been many cases. these two guys you knew, who like you said, could go to the beach in israel, could go to tel aviv for the day. most importantly, go across israel and work. suddenly, there were locked down. i want to read a part that was jarring. you said it was wonderful to see them again, but our reunion also is a window into palestinian frustrations. the world has changed so much in four decades, but while i've traveled the world and had a fulfilling career, they remain stateless, stuck in a refugee camp and fearful of israeli settlers and soldiers. where's, they have much less freedom today than when i first met them in 1982. how sad. >> it also had political consequences. they have a much more hostile view towards israel now than they used to. they were completely convinced

that the bombing or the explosion at the hospital in gaza was -- which i think was probably caused by an errant palestinian rocket, they were convinced not only that it was an israeli shell, but there was a deliberate attack on the hospital. they regretted the killing of civilians by hamas in israel, but you know, they were pretty full of their own pain and there are former students who had been killed. they didn't have a lot of extra bandwidth for israeli pain, just as it as its release hadn't had bandwidth for palestinian pain. >> so you talk about that conversation about october 7th with your two friends one month ago today, actually. you talk about your own disappointment and your own frustration with what you heard back from them, that they couldn't unequivocally condemn what happened. it's like so much of the conversation over the last month. yes, it was bad, but. and everyone jumps right to the but. how did you navigate that

conversation? >> so, i was pressing them on that point. can't we just agree that it is completely wrong for this to happen to israeli civilians? and they acknowledge that it was wrong. they said they understood that was outrageous. but they felt it was unfair to have that conversation about one day of horror in israel when, from their point of view, palestinians are suffering cumulatively much greater losses. and it was in many ways, there's a symmetry in their pain and their self absorption of that pain and the pain of what israelis were shattered by what happened on october 7th. and they're focused on their pain. and as everybody is so shattered, so absorbed with their pain, they become somewhat indifferent to the other side. both sides agree at this point that the only thing the other side understands violence, that there are not quite as good as we are.

that we have to be really tough. and it's the worst i've seen it in four decades of traveling to the west bank in israel. >> i think you just answered my next question, which was did you come away from this conversation with any hope in this moment, as you say, both sides have dehumanize the other. there doesn't look like a path, obviously, in this moment, to peace, even as you look over the horizon, it's unclear what that looks like. any signs of hope from your friends? >> they're not -- and i think it will get worse before it gets better. there is some possibility that in the west bank completely explodes in an intifada. it's not impossible that jordan does the same. we don't know how stable jordan is. if you press and asked me for a little bit of hope, it might just be that when everything changes, then maybe, there will be due leadership it israel, new leadership on the

palestinian side. -- perhaps when everything changes after things have gotten worse, perhaps some path will emerge. >> coming up, donald trump is said to be building a list of people he plans to punish should he win a second term. we'll have that new reporting from the washington post straight ahead on morning joe. me how to eat better and feel better. as long as you eat the right food groups in the right amounts, that's all it is. it's so simple and it works. golo was the smartest thing i ever did. with the freestyle libre 2 system, know your glucose level and where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. manage your diabetes with more confidence. freestyle libre 2. try it for free at freestylelibre.us why choose between a longer life or quality of life? you deserve both. and with kisqali, a treatment for people with metastatic breast cancer, you can have both.

kisqali is a pill that, when taken with an aromatase inhibitor is the only treatment of its kind shown to both help people live longer and improve or preserve quality of life. because you shouldn't have to sacrifice one for the other. kisqali can cause lung problems, or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. live longer and live well. ask about kisqali, and long live you. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me.

order in the subway app today. with cirkul, your water is deliciously flavored at the turn of a dial, with zero sugar and zero calories. and cirkul has over 40 flavors, so your water can be as unique as you are. try cirkul. your water, your way. now with even more flavors. available at walmart or drinkcirkul.com. ♪ i'm getting vaccinated with prevnar 20®. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i'm asking about prevnar 20® because there's a chance pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you're 19 or older, with certain chronic conditions like copd, asthma, diabetes, or heart disease or are 65 or older, you may be at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20® is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. don't get prevnar 20® if you've had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were

pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. that's why i chose to get vaccinated with prevnar 20®. because just one dose can help protect me from pneumococcal pneumonia. ask your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated with prevnar 20® today. >> welcome back. a new report from the

washington post reveals former president donald trump and his allies have started mapping out specific plans to use federal government, the federal government, to punish his critics and opponents. if he wins a second term in the white house. the plan has been dubbed project to 2025, and the post reports that trump has named individuals he wants to investigate or prosecute. those people include former chief of staff john kelly, former attorney general bill barr, former attorney tie cobb, former joint chiefs of staff general mark milley. that's according to people who have talked to trump and spoke on the condition of anonymity. a person familiar with the matter said trump has also talked about prosecuting officials at the fbi and justice department. additionally, the post reports the former presidents associates have drafted plans to potentially invoke the insurrection act on his first day in office to allow trump to

deploy the military against civil demonstrations. joining us now is one of the coauthors of that new report. national political reporter at the washington post, isaac are in store for. isaac, thank you so much for reporting on this. tell us what else the former president plans to do if he wins reelection. >> simply put, he wants revenge. he wants to use the power of the federal government to punish his critics, and what's the crime that they committed? it's the crime of criticizing donald trump. but the big take away from our reporting is not just that he is saying this, it's that the people who are around him who are angling for a job in his second term are starting to come up with detailed implementation plans to actually do that. so that means that they will be staff in the white house with people who will carry out those orders and that they will be

eliminating the traditional insulation between the white house and the justice department to clear the way for trump and his aides to be directly involved in criminal prosecutions. >> isaac, one of the other really attention grabbing parts of your story is the insurrection act, which of course, hasn't been invoked in quite some time, to say the least. and we know that the president and president trump and his team considered it in the summer of 2020 during the george floyd protest, which many cases became anti donald trump protests. but you've got new reporting that they might try to invoke it again, soon after taking office, to, i assume, quietly uprisings that would be against his election and inauguration. tell us a little bit about that, how serious is this? are they confident it could survive legal challenges, and frankly, how unprecedented would it be? >> that's exactly right. so this is another thing where trump has actually said publicly that he regrets not deploying the military in the

summer of 2020. and if given another chance, he would not hesitate. so his associates specifically, jeffrey clark, the former justice department official who viewers will remember as co-conspirator 4 in the federal case and a co-defendant in the georgia case. jeff ali clark is hearing this and is starting to work on a plan on day one prepare a justification to invoke the insurrection act, which would empower the president to deploy the military domestically against to civil unrest, temporarily suspending posse comitatus. you could try to challenge that in course, but the reality on the ground would be not exactly martial law, but something in the neighborhood. >> wow. the washington post isaac arnsdorf. thank you very much for your reporting. and coming up on morning joe, a lot has changed at twitter in

the last year under elon musk, including its name and its net value. bestselling author but measuring will join us to talk about what he calls the most controversial corporate takeover in history. morning joe will be right back. like here. and here. not so much here. farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure which can lead to dialysis. ♪far-xi-ga♪ farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis.

when you have chronic kidney disease, it's time to ask your doctor for farxiga. because there are places you want to be. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. ♪far-xi-ga♪ what happened? well, when you opened up the chewy box, you went a bit... ...bonkers. that's one word for it. i guess i blacked out. this is the best squeaky toy ever. probably shouldn't. but we did get you a few more gifts. honey. ooh, there's more. chewy's prices were so great. you don't need to explain yourself, linda. keep on saving. pet's aren't just pets. they're more. well, i hope i got a leaf blower this year. you got a turtleneck. unwrap the excitement with deals up to 40% off at chewy. ( ♪♪ ) we're still going for that nice catch. we're still going for that sweet shot. and with higher stroke risk from afib not caused by a heart valve problem, we're going for a better treatment than warfarin.

eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk. and has less major bleeding. over 97% of eliquis patients did not experience a stroke. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking, you may bruise more easily or take longer for bleeding to stop. get help right away for unexpected bleeding, or unusual bruising. it may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. the number one cardiologist-prescribed blood thinner. we're going for it. ask your doctor about eliquis. if we want a more viable future for our kids, we need to find more sustainable ways of doing things. america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars in new technologies and creating plastic products that are more recyclable.

durable. and dependable. our goal is a cleaner, healthier planet for generations to come. for a better tomorrow, we're focused on making plastics better today. new projects means new project managers. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. when you sponsor a job, you immediately get your shortlist of quality candidates, whose resumes on indeed match your job criteria. visit indeed.com/hire and get started today. >> bloomberg is reporting the

company formally known as twitter now worth less than half of what musk paid for it. a person familiar with the matter is said that a news outlet last week's top awarded to employees vile used a company at 19 billion dollars. you remember that mosque paid 44 billion dollars for twitter. joining us now, bestselling author -- his new book is titled breaking twitter. -- the most controversial corporate takeover in history. ben, you've done it again. this is again, only you can make this into a thriller. elon musk buying twitter.

let me start with the first question i was some hindsight. does he regret, not only paying too much for twitter, but buying it at all? >> i mean, i believe that he does regret, it although i don't think he would outwardly say that. the concept of my book, you're right, it's a systematic telling of his takeover, is that elon mosque didn't break twitter. twitter broke elon musk. the series of events caused him to spiral down as twitter spiral down, and he got to such a low point that this wasn't reported yet was that he ended up locked up, lock himself down in a conference room, and the people at twitter were so fearful that they were considering calling in a wellness check on him with the san francisco police. because this destroyed his reputation. it destroyed him for half the country. we all used to think he was the edison of our times. i was a huge elon fan and went into this as an elon fan. i still believe he is the guy who was going to get us tomorrow. he's going to be the guy who gives a self-driving cars. i love that elon. but twitter destroyed his

reputation for half the country, and a symptom spiralling into a place where it's completely about outrage, completely about anger. and is a total mess. >> so why did he do it then? everything you said is true. he can be the guy who gave us electric cars or made the more widespread unaffordable. the guy who may get us to mars, all of those things. so why? why dabble down in this cesspool? >> i really think he went in with noble views. he believes where in this moment in time when we can get to space, where we can save our civilization. but twitter he saw as becoming an over moderated move towards the dark ages. he wanted to save us from the woke mine viruses, he coiled it. and he felt like he needed to come in, like he is the main character in the video game that is all of our lives. and he is going to save us from fixing twitter. what happened is he found out very quickly that free speech is more complicated than building a rocket. and he came into engineer away the problem, and it was people. the problem is people.

the problem is not something you can play with on your computer. and it became a disaster very quickly. >> for the thomas edison of our time, he's just such a small ball. 8%, 10% of american adults are on twitter. did he really think he's gonna change the national discourse? and by the way, jumping into that discourse, he's espoused horrendous conspiracy theories, racism, and all those other kinds of things. i don't know. i can't figure out for the life of may why he would be part of that. >> on the one hand, you could look at this like a billionaire buying a luxury yacht or whatever. but really, he believed that we need a global town hall where truth is prominent. he wanted to make it the most true place on the internet. the reality is it's turned into the least true place on the internet, and that's because of the series of events that happened. and it's on the book, but crazy things that led to the blue check falling apart, was one thing. he goes on chappelle and he gets booed widely. he realizes that people don't

like him morning starts to lash out. it gets worse and worse. his paranoia takes over. and it becomes really a bizarre sort of drift down to now, it's an engagement and an outrage and jim pay for play, becoming a subscription dating site. he's got all these things going on. it's no longer this global town hall. >> so, it's really interesting to me, because it seems like to me that the man does have mental health issues. it really does. and that's not anything that i would celebrate. mental health problems are everywhere in this country. and we don't do a very good job of addressing them or treating them. on the other hand, this really seems like a guy who is totally out of touch with reality. i had the opportunity to visit with him one-on-one when i was on the armed services committee, and we were trying to move away from our reliance on russian rockets. and so, i visited spacex out in california and sat down with

him, and you know what i took from it? this is a really awkward guy. this is a guy who doesn't -- isn't a good conversationalist, didn't really -- i felt no ability of him to relate. >> there is a mix of things. with elon, it's interesting. because on the one hand, he's incredibly charismatic because he can be this imposing figure who is changing the world on the backs of this brilliant entrepreneurial spirit. in terms of mental illness, many of my idols are people that you would say are eccentric. and that often drives people to break with authority. they're not held down by authority, because they don't see. it elon truly believes that the world is a simulation, and not only is he the main player in the simulation, but everybody else is an unplanned character. and that allows him to ignore voices that are dissent. people come up to him and say something he doesn't agree with it. that's like a pixelated character on fortnite walking up to you and saying something. you wouldn't listen to that person. on the other hand, he truly is a force for good when he aims

himself towards the good. the problem is he's surrounded often by people who are too afraid to tell him what's right and what's wrong. >> that does it for the first hour of morning joe: weekend, but we're not done yet. more of this week's top stories after the break. rsv can be a dangerous virus [sneeze] for those 60 and older. it's not just a cold. and if you're 60 or older... you may be at increased risk of hospitalization from this highly contagious virus. not all dangers come with warning labels. talk to your pharmacist or doctor about getting vaccinated against rsv today. rsv vaccines, including pfizer's, are now available. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. ( ♪♪ ) the serrano name has always been something we're proud of.

it's why we show it off on our low riders and why we wear our name on our chains. we come from people we can be proud of. from socal to our family in texas, to back home in jalisco. seeing all the places i come from, i know. if it's a serrano, it's something to be proud of. i take it all with me and i always will. give the gift of family heritage with ancestry. you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean- not spreadsheets. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire >> welcome to the second hour

♪♪ we're not writers, but we help you shape your financial story. ♪♪ we're not an airline, but our network connects global businesses across nearly 160 markets. ♪♪ we're not a startup, but our innovation labs use new technologies to help keep your information secure. ♪♪ we're not architects, but we help build stronger communities. ♪♪ we're not just any bank. we are citi. ♪♪

of morning joe: weekend. micah told me to take this part. she's out running. let's dive into more of this week's top stories. >> coming out of tuesday night,

remember, that was just two or three days before those new york times siena poll came out in the swing states that shook the democratic party and put people into panic mode talking about alternatives to joe biden. give it 48 hours. democrats sweep to victory on tuesday night. so that is why you saw some confidence, i think, in part for president biden as he was in campaign mode at a fund-raiser in chicago last night. he touted his administration success, claiming credit for those democratic big wins in several races this week. biden said democratic governor andy beshear of kentucky won reelection after, quote, running on programs that were all biden initiatives. the president also calling out donald trump by name. something he's been a little reluctant to do previously. at the fund-raiser, biden told donors, trump, is quote, the only reason abortion is banned in america and is now running to end democracy as we know it. those comments came after the president spent the day in illinois meeting with members of the united auto workers, celebrate in the unions

tentative deal with the detroit's big three automakers. biden congratulated the union malware in a local chapter t-shirt, and slammed the former president and republicans for not doing enough for all the workers. >> the entire uaw prove what i've always believed. wall street didn't build america. the middle class built america. and unions built the middle class. let's think about this. when my predecessor, the distinguished, anyway -- >> we know! >> here's the difference. when you're in the middle of a fight, i stood and others stood with you shoulder to shoulder on that picket line. my predecessor went to a non-union shop and attacked you. >> yes he did! >> i hope you guys have a memory. where i come from, it matters.

the truth is, if you had to listen to him, thank god you didn't. >> so joe, something that you've been talking about for several weeks now, which is joe biden, the white house, the campaign going right at donald trump. and really, this is a two front side that he's looking at. it appears, anyway, which is number one, on this issue of abortion, which obviously is so critical to those winds. on tuesday, they were critical to the democratic wins for the last 16 months or so. and also, the question of democracy, the two deese. you have democracy being -- this is a guy that if elected, we know what he's going to do. we know what comes tax. we know that he's going to tear down the institutions, because he already tried to do it the first time around. >> yeah, and no doubt. jim, we have data that actually democracy matters to people. as a campaign issue, it matters to people. i know there are a lot of really smog, smug people on the left and the right going into the 2022 election.

going, oh, this idiot, this old man, he's talking about democracy. he's talking about abortion, abortions only polina 5%. we heard it. everybody was mocking and ridiculing him. democracy matters. we have the data. not from polls, from actual elections. the 2022 election, the 2023 election, time and again, the people who actually admitted that the elections weren't rigged in 2020, that the elections were legit, they do better than the liars to, certainly in swing states. but there are two other issues, yesterday, that i think joe biden touched on that are really going to give us insight on what we're going to see the next year. he's going to be donald trump's worst nightmare. one's abortion. donald trump, i killed abortion. i killed roe v. wade. i'm the one that made sure roe v. wade ended. he's been saying that nonstop. and this lie that somehow now he's trying to tack to the

middle, only in front of certain audiences. he's still saying it out there. and it's on tape so much. i think it's going to be like a fighter in the middle over the ring, and i think they're going to keep going to the body with it and keep pounding people talking about the fact that donald trump's proud of the fact that he's the guy responsible for ten-year-old girls having to flee the state of ohio after they were raped by an illegal immigrant and had to flee the state. that's happened across america. and women have been facing a horrific health care choices, bleeding out with doctors going, we can't do anything. we can't do it. why can't they do anything? why can't they take care of women who are bleeding out who need help? because of donald trump. and donald trump's admitted it. so that's part one. part two, this election is one in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. he just keeps hammering on manufacturing. he just keeps hammering on

jobs. he just keeps -- you know, he's doing things that actually obama and clinton and other democrats didn't do. he's not a new democrats. he's not. new democrats, by the way, have blood all of that support away. he's fdr democrat. and he's reconnecting with that incredibly important strand of democratic politics. and i think it's paying off. >> so, on both of these things. so, on abortion, plus also, he said that women who had abortions should be punished, so there's also that. i was in -- on tuesday night, wednesday night, i guess. the night of the debate when trump did his counter programming rally. and talked to some of his team after the rally. and they have no idea what to do about abortion. i said, wow, kentucky, virginia, ohio seemed pretty tough for you all. what do you do about abortion? well, we think, you know, we have to have a more moderate position. the more moderate, quote,

position, the 15-week ban, that got trounced and that notion was trounced in the virginia legislative election. i'm not sure what you're going to do. plus, he's up onstage saying how proud he was to have been the guy that stopped roe v. wade. and the two state elections were -- my big takeaway is that people are on alert and they're turning out. whether it's abortion or democracy, or the economy, you know, they are alert, they are turning out. it's just like the fall of 2022. and then, on the point about manufacturing and the sort of economic achievements that are going to resonate in those midwestern states, i was in lansing on tuesday with gretchen whitmer. she's gotten a lot done. joe biden's got a lot done. she has a high approval rating. biden does not. she's constantly communicating on achievements and accomplishments and whether it's tiktok or news conferences. and that's what you see biden amping up now. and we've got to do that.

and they've got an incredible story to tell. >>. you know, that matters. it certainly matters for young voters. you look at, unfortunately, on college campuses, some of the twisted views about hamas. that ain't coming from law professors or from history professors. it's coming straight off of social media. so it's a battle that needs to be waged, a battle for ideas. when it comes to young voters, abortion is going to matter. the fact that young women don't have the rights that their mothers and grandmothers had for half a century, that's going to matter. donald trump, though, here's the good news for republicans. donald trump, he's going to the center. he's now saying, oh, we can make everybody happy. and it's so great. i'm so happy for him! because if i were running against him, i would show this. >> president trump is going to make a determination what he

thinks is going to be great for the country, fair for the country. but the fact that i was able to terminate roe v. wade after 50 years of trying. they worked for 50 years. i've never seen anything like. it they worked, and i was even so honored to have done it. i did something that nobody thought was possible. i got rid of roe v. wade. and by doing that -- by doing that, it put pro-lifers in a very strong negotiating position. >> nobody did a job like i did, including roe v. wade, bringing it back to the states. what i did by killing roe v. wade, which everyone said was impossible -- >> okay. jackie, donald trump said -- just wondering how this is going to play from voters 18 to 29, the ones that joe biden supposed to be losing. i am so honored to determinate roe v. wade, donald trump says. he brags, time and time again,

about saying i was the one who killed roe v. wade. i mean, this may be one time with donald trump should have taken all the credit, because no matter what he says, first of, all people know he was the one to kill roe v. wade and makes ten year old rape victims flee the state to go so they don't get state sanction abortions. but goes around bragging about killing roe v. wade. i have a feeling that something we're going to hear from the biden white house. because this issue of abortion, i think it's probably the worst political issue since watergate for republicans. >> yeah, and i think what you are seeing republicans trying to feel out is having it both ways, being able to tout overturning roe v. wade, but now being able to encourage others in the party to take wrote a softer rhetorical tone. and even in the rnc autopsy last year, or i guess, after

the 2022 midterm. i'm losing track of the midterms. encouraging republicans to be able to speak about the topic more eloquently, be able to communicate with women that they were sort of missing the boat in that conversation. and that by avoiding it completely, they were allowing democrats to own the issue. >> but how do you do it more eloquently? we passed laws that allow 1849 total bans of abortion and wisconsin to stand. how to dance around. that >> the republican nominee can't control all the state legislators that are ultimately passing these trigger laws and total bans. >> morning joe weekend continues after a short break.

( ♪♪ ) we're in the security business... our job is to help people feel safe. not only our customers but those who matter most to them. just like our company does for us.

we have great benefits from principal. so i know i'm taken care of. and (pause) not just me. but the ones who matter most to me. ( ♪♪ )

the power goes out and we still have wifi but the ones who matter most to me. to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. their effort to be ignoring a home of the xfinity 10g network.

major issue impacting their electoral chances. electoral denialism. people who have run on it, kari lake, christina karamo, doc mastriano, all lost their races by major margins in 2022. and the trend continued this year with two states elections from republican secretary of state, michael adams of kentucky. he faced two primary candidates who ran on election denialism. adams ended up trouncing both candidates, winning the primary by roughly 40 points. and the general election by over 20 points. so just how important will the issue be going into 2024? the issue of truth and integrity of our elections and getting truth to the electorate and trust back into the process. joining us now, georgia republican secretary of state, brad raffensperger.

it's good to have you on the show this morning. so, mister secretary, first of all, there is a new survey that shows widespread distrust in american elections. half of those polled had faith in their own state but they were far more skeptical about other states. 30% trust the accuracy and integrity of elections in other parts of the country from where they live. what do you make of that? is that a concern moving forward? >> i wrote a recent article with lieutenant governor a deed had arson from utah, and the secretary of state who is actually -- present at the national -- secretary of state of kansas. people can trust the elections. we've now had the 2020 2022 elections, and by and large other than the 2020, grace, nobody was questioning the results of 2022 or this past

year. we actually had it a couple of days ago. in fact, my friend, michael adams, secretary of state of kentucky one huge. he did his job and continue to find that middle ground of common sense and just do the job and explain to people that we're having fair, honest elections. that is what people need to understand. we have fair, honest, accurate elections in georgia. i guess people don't want accurate election sometimes. that's maybe a problem they have where they prop up candidates the don't build broad based coalitions. what you saw in kentucky, michael adams built a broad based coalition. the attorney general who ran for the governor's race he lost, but kentucky kept a republican in the attorney general spot. that gentlemen -- because he just did his job and focused on the issues, all these extremist poison election delilah them, it's not a winning strategy. republicans need to wake up to that. you have to make sure you speak

the truth to people and build confidence that we do have fair and honest elections. run on the issues that are important to you. >> the republicans who stand by election denialism, or at least don't talk about it, i think they feared they will lose support in their primaries if they tell the truth. is that analysis? i don't understand why, even last night in the debate, the candidates running against donald trump can't actually honestly talk about some of the things that went wrong. >> when i ran in my brace ahead to get through the republican primary and whatever i talk to republican voters -- i won by over 20%. i won really large. you have to be able to address the issues and talk to people and explain to them that we have fair, honest elections. we can audit any race. we pre-process the absentee ballots. we also have photo i.d. for all

forms of voting in the state of georgia. you can do a hand recount if we need to. all those data points. i explain to them what happened going back in time, here's what happened in 2020. 28,000 people skipped the presidential race and voted in other races. the republican congressman budd, 8000 more votes collectively than president trump did. that's what he came up short, it's a simple as that. republicans were not pleased with those results but we have a fair, honest election. and we will have a fair, honest election in 2024. >> when it comes to trusting certain parties to accept election results, americans believe, according to the surveys, democrats are more likely to accept the results by 20 points. how does the republican party regain that trust with the public? >> it has continued to have people run for these offices that speak to the truth and

road and talk to people. that is what i did and michael adams did that in kentucky. and he won by a huge margin, over 20% in his recent race on tuesday. i think it's really just dealing with people one-on-one, or in small, groups just going up and having conversations. >> coming up, next conversation with white house press secretary, karine jean-pierre about the biden administration to the approach to the middle east. east. kidney disease... ...there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. not so much here. farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure which can lead to dialysis. ♪far-xi-ga♪ farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract

or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. when you have chronic kidney disease, it's time to ask your doctor for farxiga. because there are places you want to be. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. ♪far-xi-ga♪ i have moderate to severe crohn's disease. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up, i've got symptom relief. ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. and the majority of people experienced long-lasting remission at one year.

serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn's disease. ♪ now's the time to ask your gastroenterologist how you can take control of your crohn's with skyrizi. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ ♪ learn how abbvie could help you save.

at first, i used better than bouillon for broth.

♪ and then stir fry... sauces... even marinades! and with all the varieties... organic... reduced sodium... and now the culinary collection... ... it's like the deliciousness never ends! make everything better with better than bouillon! from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog's food to the farmer's dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there's no magic involved. (dog bark) it's just smarter, healthier pet food. it's amazing what real food can do. thursday we spoke with white house press secretary, karine jean-pierre, he was part of that conversation. >> karine, thank you so much for coming on the show. i have a lot to talk to you about. we will get to politics in a moment. but tell me a little bit about the's approach to israel and prime minister netanyahu, specifically. a lot of people are less than

trusting of his leadership right now. how does the prima -- president plan to navigate that moving forward? are there conversations that are tougher behind the scenes? >> look, as you know, the president has had a very long-long relationship with the prime minister. they've known each other for decades now. they have a very straightforward relationship. i'm not going to go into private conversations obviously, the diplomatic conversation is incredibly important to the president. you've seen the president since october 7th have multiple conversations with the prime minister. you saw the president visit a war zone in israel not too long ago. so, look not going to get into that. but the president believes in being honest and being very straightforward here. he has been really clear, when it comes to what we are seeing currently in the israeli hamas conflict, the president has said israel has the right to defend itself. we will be with, them we will stand with them as they do that.

october 7th was a horrific day, a horrific day, we saw 1400 souls slaughtered. we've also been very clear that they have to follow the rule of law. so we want to make tremendously clear, not just with the prime minister but also our counterparts in israel, we are going to have that conversation. obviously humanitarian aid is incredibly important. that is what we have been trying to make sure, having these conversations so it gets into gaza. look, we mourn every, life every civilian life, innocent civilian life lost we certainly more on that and we want to make sure that we get the humanitarian aid. we talked about having the humanitarian pauses, which he thinks is critical, not just to get humanitarian aid in but also to get american hostages out and people who want to leave gaza can have the ability to do this. we've been clear, we will be steadfast on this. >> so kareen, so what is going

on here at home as you compete with a leaf blower or something behind you. >> i apologize. >> that's okay. active white house this morning. >> exactly. i'm thinking monday morning your phone is exploding with text from people freaking out about the new york times polls. cut to wednesday morning your phone is probably exploding with text people very excited about the results of tuesday night elections. how does the biden white house plan to position itself moving forward in light of tuesday's results? >> we've been very clear, we have said it is not about the polls. it is about the people. the american people. who do you believe? we believe the american people. what you saw from tuesday night is very clear, the american people spoke loudly and pretty consistently about this. they did in 2020 and they did it in 2022. they said that, this past tuesday, the president's values and agenda are incredibly popular across the country.

if you think about the specific issues i heard, the back and forth that you are having with one of your guests today about abortion and where republicans are on this, look, the american people have been clear that they do not want politicians to be involved in their health care. if you think about ohio. it think about issue one, issue one was the seventh ballot in states, in seven states, that focuses on reproductive rights. what did the american people say in those seven states? they rejected the dangerous proposals that republicans put forward. let's not forget, it puts the lives of women at risk, it puts the health care for women at risk. we've been very clear, the president and vice president have said we are going to stand with the majority of americans on this, which is making sure that we call on congress to restore roe v. wade and this is not acceptable. this is not what the american people want to see and this is

the direction republicans are taking us down. this is the direction of taking away peoples freedoms, taking away the rights of women to make a decision on their health care. >> karine, good, morning it is jonathan to pick up micah's theme, your phone is probably blowing up next week because the government may be on the verge of a shutdown. funding is set to expire in just about ten days time. give us the white house's perspective right now on what you are hearing from the new house speaker. do you think that he is someone for whom you can make a deal? >> jonathan, here's the thing. you've heard us say this over and over again. i will say this. republicans in the house took basically three weeks and shut down congress. they were so busy trying to figure out who their speaker was going to be that they did not focus on the people's business. now they want to take us down a path where they want to shut down the government. look, jonathan, as you know, and you covered this very closely, a deal was made early

in the summer, late spring. a deal is a deal. two thirds of those house republicans voted for the steal. so this is their responsibility, they need to keep the government open. there are critical critical programs the american people need, whether it has to do with veterans programs, food, security programs, national security is at risk. these are incredibly important and they have to do their jobs. they cannot spend three weeks trying to figure out who the speaker's and then turn around trying to shut down the government. that is not how this works. they have one of their main jobs, keep the government open and make sure vital programs i just spoke about our funded. >> all, right white house press secretary, karine jean-pierre, always good to see you. we will talk to you again soon. ee you westill ahead on this veterans day, what the new york times uncovered about a secret u.s. offensive against the islamic state and the devastating consequences for american

troops that were involved. and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr-cm a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you? call your cardiologist and ask about attr-cm. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're building a better postal service. for more on-time deliveries. and easier, affordable ways to ship. so you can deliver even more holiday joy. the united states postal service. delivering for america.

right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. get help reaching your goals with j.p. morgan wealth plan, a digital money coach in the chase mobile® app. use it to set and track your goals, big and small... and see how changes you make today... could help put them within reach. from your first big move to retiring poolside - and the other goals along the way. wealth plan can help get you there. ♪ j.p. morgan wealth management. [car tires screeching] (♪♪) whenever heartburn strikes. get fast relief with tums. it's time to love food back. also available tums+

sleep support. to finally lose 80 pounds and keep it off with golo alsois amazing.tums+ i've been maintaining. the weight is gone and it's never coming back. with golo, i've not only kept off the weight but i'm happier, i'm healthier, and i have a new lease on life. golo is the only thing that will let you lose weight and keep it off. who loses 138 pounds in nine months? i did! golo's a lifestyle change and you make the change and it stays off. (soft music) if you're looking for a medicare supplement insurance plan that's smart now... i'm 65. and really smart later i'm 70-ish. consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. with this type of plan, you'll know upfront about how much your care costs. which makes planning your financial future easier. so call unitedhealthcare today to learn more about the only plans of their kind with the aarp name. and set yourself and your future self up with an aarp medicare supplement plan from unitedhealthcare. the m777 howitzer is one of the

u.s. military's most sophisticated cannons. it has been critical to ukraine's war against russia because it can take out enemy targets from a protected distance. its blast is several times louder then a jet taking off. take a listen. >> [sound of artillery]

so the u.s. use those candidates from 2016 to 2017 to defeat the islamic state in syria and iraq. gun crews fired thousands of high explosive shells, the most since the vietnam war. it was all in an effort to avoid sending in a large number of ground troops. now, a new york times investigation finds many of those service members returned home plagued by nightmares, panic attacks, depression and in a few cases, hallucinations. joining us now, the author of that report. the new york times military correspondent, dave phillips. he has been awarded the pulitzer prize twice for his reporting. thank you very much for coming on the show. can you tell us more about what you learned about the impact of these cannons and the amount of noise they make upon being

detonated? >> like you said, the u.s. wanted to avoid a ground war because we had just gotten are out of iraq. they created the strategy where they were only going to put a few artillery units on the ground, and have them fire a lot. hundreds of rounds a day. but on paper, in regulations, that is fine, that is safe. but when these soldiers and marines came home, they were having all kinds of problems. like you said, depression, sleeplessness, panic attacks, and what made it difficult is that in a lot of these cases this look like ptsd. the symptoms are almost identical. but it was not ptsd. what happened is these guys had been injured by their own weapons. i should, say these big candidates are part of that problem. but there are a lot of women's on the u.s. arsenal that produce a similar type of blast, heavy machine guns, shoulder fired rockets. what we found is that these

weapons may be really dangerous to the people that are using them. >> i just want to ask you this, your paper is also reporting that the triple seven howitzer is being used by ukrainian military and they're having trouble with it. what lessons from your report apply to the ukraine situation today? >> well, in a lot of ways it is a very difficult injury to spot. that is what people need to realize, you made fire dozens of these rounds and not experience seeing stars or passing out or obvious signs of a brain injury. but overtime, what happens is you will get symptoms that, in many cases, look like psychiatric systems. sleeplessness, depression, panic attacks. when they come back from the line, you know, understandably the people that are supporting them may not think it is the blast injury or brain injury, they may think hey, this is

combat fatigue, this is ptsd. this is especially important in ukraine because they are using a lot of the highest charges, the most powerful blast because they need to get that round as deep as they can into enemy territory. if you look at the most powerful charge, you will get the most powerful shock wave. what we found with these guys in syria is that could have really lasting consequences. >> dave, obviously these weapons are part of ukraine's efforts to repel russia's invasion, to reclaim the territory. give us an update right now, is this conflict is slipping from the headlines because of what's happening in the middle east, give us a sense as to where things stand in this fight with, i think, time running out to make more progress before the winter weather sets in? >> well, i think probably where things stand in terms of artillery is that it is just as important as ever on both sides.

i should also note that these same types of weapons, or similar types of weapons being used by the israelis right now against gaza -- you know, conventionalism is that right now ukraine is going to head into a winter stalemate. with those lines, largely using standoff weapons like artillery, is there going to be a break for infantry troops? probably. during the winter will there be a lot of artillery fired? we should expect. that >> still ahead, on morning joe, federal law bars domestic abuse suspects from possessing a gun. it's the supreme court about to change that? we will talk about the latest battle over the second amendment. battle over the second amendment. amendment. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates

matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire

sleep more deeply. and wake up rejuvenated. with purple's new mattresses - fall asleep 20% faster. have less aches and pains and sleep uninterrupted. right now save up to $900 dollars off mattress sets during purple's black friday sale. visit purple.com or a store near you today. joining you on a busyjoining yos

hello. it is so fantastamazing to see other trolls. is this how people feel when they meet me? yes. poppy, i'm your sister. my what? whoo. did you just braid my hair? supreme court heard arguments

on a case yesterday concerning a 1994 law that restricts people under domestic violence restraining orders from having firearms. the case concerns zaki rahimi, a texas man who in 2019 physically assaulted his then girlfriend and then threatened to shoot her if she told anyone. that woman received a restraining order against rahimi in 2020, which prohibited him from possessing a firearm. it also suspended his handgun license. ricky meat was charged under the 1994 federal law and pleaded guilty. he challenged the constitutionality of his punishment claiming his violated his rights under the second amendment. an appeals court later vacated his conviction citing his supreme court 2022 ruling which concluded people have the right to bear arms outside of their homes. justices yesterday appeared to

indicate that they may uphold the 1994 law. joining us now, the executive director of moms demand action. angela farrell sub alla, she was protesting at the supreme court yesterday to advocate for keeping the domestic violence fire arm law on the books. it is like we are trying to keep our rights and we are trying to keep the laws that protect us. tell us how you think this will go and what more can people do? >> good morning. i am so glad to be here this morning. look, we know that this is so important for women and families across this country. it feels like a no-brainer for many of us as you are alluding to and we understand that i went up abuser has a gun, that person in the domestic violence situation is five times more likely to be shot and killed. on average, 70 women on -- her month or killed in this country with a gun. people across this country had over 200 people more streaming

and watching us at the supreme court yesterday. they really made their voices heard and demanded that the supreme court rule in favor of women and families and survivors in this country. so we are going to continue to be loud about this. we feel that we made our voices heard and were hoping the supreme court rules in favor of survivors of domestic violence. >> angela, i'm curious if your organization and the other really powerful organizations working on gun safety in this country, if you have considered trying to go the route that is currently occurring on abortion. aniati petitions to specifically go after these military style weapons that are slaughtering innocents all over or country at a pace that is shocking to most americans. why haven't there been more efforts to put issues on ballots around the country to do with the vast majority of

americans want when it comes to the weapons of war? we >> you're absolutely right. this is what the vast majority of americans want. when i travel around the country it matter from in red, blue, democrat, republican, gun owners alike they feel like enough is enough. especially when you think about assault weapons and that. we will continue, as we focus on keeping families and children safe, we think it's a leading cause of death for kids and teens and adults in this country. we will take every single option and tool in our tool box to make sure we are doing. so as we travel around the country we are looking at those options, we're also looking at things like, for instance, the election yesterday that happened across the country, we run our people for office. we make sure we have guns sense champions in office because we know that when they get elected they will put guns sense front of line in for communities. not just policy but nominating judges. we're looking at every single thing in our tool box when it

comes to protecting families across this country. >> angela, good morning. second amendment absolutists, the nra, they say just about every gun is covered always under the second amendment. it's a right inch right in the constitution. it sounds like drinks oral arguments, the justices have been receptive to the idea that no, there are moments in places where guns should not be present. is that a fair assessment of at least the early stages of this case? >> that is a very fair assessment. the majority of people realize, and i say this again, republicans, democrats, gun owners alike, there has to be reasonable regulation. we have to be able to protect communities like any other industry this is one where, when we think about gun owners, we think about the gun industry in this country, we are thinking about an industry that is fairly unregulated. when we think about being able to hold them accountable. so absuty, people are sick and tired of. this especially when we think

about weapons of war on our street. they have no place on our streets. people are raising our voices, as i travel across this country, it's loud and clear no matter who i talk to, enough is enough. we are very hopeful that this is something the supreme court realizes and will make sure they are ruling in favor of families, particularly domestic violence survivors in this country. >> director of moms demand action, angela ferrell-zabala, thank you very much for coming on this morning. coming up on morning joe, >> americans went to the polls for election day. this morning on instagram, taylor swift encouraged her 275 million followers to vote and long story short, she's now the governor of kentucky and mississippi. >> when she is not getting out the vote, taylor swift's topping the charts. we will talk about the significance of the huge success of her new album. >> her new album is really her old album made new, which has

sold more than when it was originally a new album. >> oh my god. >> 1989. her redoing of 1989, she is taking control of her music catalog. it is pretty exciting. >> that story straight ahead on morning joe. morning joe.

what causes a curve down there? is it peyronie's disease? will it get worse? how common is it? who can i talk to? can this be treated? stop typing. start talking to a specialized urologist. because it could be peyronie's disease, or pd. it's a medical condition where there is a curve in the erection, caused by a formation of scar tissue. and an estimated 1 in 10 men may have it. but pd can be treated even without surgery. say goodbye to searching online. find a specialized urologist who can diagnose pd and build a treatment plan with you. visit makeapdplan.com today. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. the power goes out and we still have wifi kinda like me. to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you?

no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. two thirds of them from people home of the xfinity 10g network.

under the age of 35. this comes as swift re-released album, 1989, is making history. garnering the largest first week tally for any album since 2015. joining us, now senior music writer and chief music critic at variety. chris, it's great to have you on, chris. i guess she thought people to get out the vote. it makes sense that a lot of people would buy her album. >> i gotta say, chris, it's crazy when you have a reissue which she is doing to take control of her catalog. you have a reissue outselling and original. especially in original that was as wildly popular as 1989. talk about that and the

historical impact of it. >> yeah, you, know with taylor swift i think the phrase rules don't apply. i think to be doing a re-recording campaign or catalog is unprecedented. then to have the re-issues, not really, issues the recordings out to the originals. you, know that's additional unprecedented territory. she was so angry when her catalog was bought, there is two some titles coming to mind when i think of the series. one is better than revenge, for a long time ago she said there's nothing i like better than revenge. and the other, she had a song called madwoman which i think was explicitly about being angry about having her catalog bought out from under her. so she sings the line, you call me crazy, the crazier i get. she had this crazy idea to re-record her entire catalog piece by piece. and now she set her all-time record with 1.6 5 million units in a week. that is more than double any of the previous recordings in her

campaign. it beats by 100,000 her previous high which was mid, nights her original album last time. >> highest selling album almost of anytime. you've covered music for a long time, can you compare what we're seeing right now with taylor swift anything else? is it michael jackson in 1984? it's at the beatles? is it? elvis just appear dominance of popular culture, selling out football stadiums with over tens of thousands of fans outside listening because they couldn't get inside to get a ticket. travis kelce, thank all of it put together. what are we watching exactly? >> i don't think there is anything comparable. we two years ago people might have said she was on an equal level with beyoncé and adele. now i think we are past that with the stadium to, or it's probably going to gross two billion which is more than double any previous tour in history. you've got the movie that is

165 million box office -- multiple times what any concert movie has any done. i keep going back to the beatles, and, yet the beatles quit touring in 1966. so there is nothing on the tour level that compares. the only thing you can compare it to with the bills is the album run. they had this great nine or ten album run. she is ten albums in. actually, she's released eight albums in the last four years. for original albums, for the recordings, nobody's ever seen that kind of output from a superstar except maybe when the beatles were just putting out albums very quickly. the compasons are hard to come by, even michael jackson i think -- you hate to be hyperbolic, but that does not compare. >> chris, what i find so fascinating is when you and john heilemann and i were growing up, you had you know

top 40, you had album oriented rock, you had r&b, you had country. and there was not all of this segmentation that you've had. spotify sort of spreading everything out. the most extraordinary thing about taylor swift's that taylor remains dominant over all of the sort of slicing and dicing of the million different segments we've seen since spotify. how does she do that? how does she break across all the boundaries? >> you know, we think it was because of the lack of a motto culture. you think of a song that everybody has heard, and even taylor swift, you, know i see people pop up on my feet saying they've never heard a taylor swift songs. i don't know what hole you have the dig for yourself for that to be possible, but even if you're not paying attention to the music, she is in there as

part of the nfl universe now. if you ever think about movie theaters you are aware of the movie being in theaters. so she is spread even behind those eight albums she put out the last four years. it's the least of the things she's done to stay relevant in pop culture. the film, it just puts it in another ballpark altogether, hundred and 65 million growth and still going. you know, crowding out every other movie so that if you are watching the exercise to our hearing taylor swift laid in from next door with three hours of very loud songs. >> that does it for. us we are back monday, 6 am eastern. have a great weekend. this is the katie phang show live from miami, florida. lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer. let's get started. shut down showdown. it