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out of the president speaking at a -- ceremony there at arlington national cemetery. take a listen. >> a reminder, as long as those who stand for freedom light will always triumph over darkness. my fellow americans, jill, vice president harris, second general -- secretary mcdonough, secretary but agendas here, secretary mayorkas. acting secretary shoe, director haynes, deputy secretary hicks, vice chairman grady, most importantly, our veterans and service members equally as important, their families. we come together today to once again honor the generations of americans who stood on the front lines of freedom. to once again bear witness to the great deeds of a noble few, who risked everything,

everything, to give us a better future. those who have always, always kept the light of liberty shining bright across the world. our veterans. that's not hyperbole. our veterans every year on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month we gather in this sanctuary of sacrifice. to pause, to pay tribute, to these patriots and their greatest fighting force in history of the world. as commander-in-chief, i have no higher honor as a father of a son who served, i have no greater pool of privilege. like for so many of you, veterans day is personal to jill and i. on this day, i can still see my son the attorney general of of

delaware standing ramrod straight, as i pinned his bars on him the day he joined the army national guard in delaware. i can still feel the overwhelming pride in major beau biden receiving the bronze star, legions of mail, in the delaware secret service cross. we miss him. i can still hear my wife jill every morning she got up to go to school to teach praying over a cup of coffee. during the year he was deployed to iraq and six months before that he was a civilian. overseas. like it was yesterday, i can still hear what he told me when he signed up to serve he said, beau, why? god's truth. dad, it's my duty. duty. that was the cold my son lived by, the creed that millions of veterans have followed.

-- from baghdad, to gettysburg, to -- canal. career to kandahar. and beyond. each one linked in a chain of honor. that stretches back to our founding days. each one bound by a sacred oath to support and defend not a place not a person, not a president but an idea to defend an idea, unlike any other in human history. that idea is the united states of america. where the only nation in the world only nation in the world that's built on an idea every other nation, based on things like geography, ethnicity, religion were the only nation built on the idea that we're all created equal. and dowd by a creator certain

nearly-able rights. we haven't always lived up to, it because our veterans, because of you, we never walked away from it. through the annals of history, whenever and wherever the force of darkness has sought to extinguish the light of liberty, american veterans have been holding the latter high as they can for all of us. they were there when the determined band of patriots sparked a revolution delivering a nation where everyone everyone is endowed and served indelible rights. they were there less than a century later, they gave our nation a new birth of freedom. they were there when the forces of fascism brought the fight to the trenches of europe. in the bloodied beaches of normandy. they were there when called upon to face the oppression of frozen rice patties of korea, and the sweltering jungles of vietnam. they were there when darkness

came to our shores, signing up for tour after tour after tour. to keep our democracy safe and secure these last two decades. folks, as a nation, we owe them. we owe you. not just for keeping the flight of freedom burning during the darkness of the moments, but for serving our communities even after they hang-up the uniforms. for inspiring the next generation to serve. we see this in bases all across america. where young women and men continue to risk their own safety. for the safety of their fellow americans. we see it around the world. all the countries have been able to our troops continue to stand. with our allies against the forces of tyranny. enters. to this day, wherever the forces of darkness have sought

to distinguish the light of liberty, american troops are there. right by their side and their families, as the english poet john milk wrote. they also serve who only stand and wait. they also serve who will only stand and wait. our veterans are the steel spine of this nation. and their families, like so many of you, are the courageous heart most americans oversee the sacrifices that u.s. family members also make. they'll never see those holidays, those birthdays made special, even with the empty seat at the dinner table. they'll never see all the packing and unpacking, readying a family to make another move. needing to move to a new school, a new job for the spouse.

they'll never see all those nights spent waiting for word from a loved one deployed overseas, because you're not sure. too often, your sacrifices go without thanks. or without acknowledgment we must remember, only 1%, 1%, of our society today protects 99% of us. 1%. we owe them, we owe you, so to all the families across our nation, to all those who are grieving the loss of a loved one who wore the uniform, to all those with loved ones still missing or at a county for. we see you. we stand with you. we will not forget just as you've kept the ultimate fate to our country. we will keep the faith with

you. as a nation, i've said many times, we have many obligations. we only have one truly sacred obligation. to prepare those we send into harm's way and to care for them and their families when they return home. it's not an obligation based on party or politics but on a promise, that unites us all. and together, over the last three years, we work to make good on that promise. passing more than 30 bipartisan laws to support our veterans and their families. caregivers and survivors. that includes the pack act, almost significant laws ever to help millions of veterans. for exposed to toxins and burn pits during their military service. pits the size of football fields, that incinerated with a wastes of war. tires, chemicals, jet fuel, so

much more. too many of our nations warriors have served only to return home to suffer from permanent effects of this poisonous smoke. too many have died in the 15 months since we wrote and sign the pact act. a half million veterans and their surviving family members have already started receiving benefits. far, far too many are still not getting what they need. the care they deserve that's why i'm proud to announce that any toxin exposed veteran who served in any conflict outlined in the pact act will be able to enroll in va health care starting in march of next year. we're not stopping there, the past year we've delivered more benefits processed more claims than ever before in va history

experience resources to end veterans homelessness and veterans poverty. and the silent scourge of suicide which has taken more veterans. we're launching a new initiative to protect veterans from scams, because no one should be defrauded by those they defend him for god sake. [applause] through jails work, and others and joining forces, we've also announced the most comprehensive set of actions in our nation's history to strengthen economic opportunity for military and veteran spouses, caregivers, and survivors. this year, as we mark 75 years of desegregate military, 75 years of integration in the military, women's. 50 years of all volunteer force,

we've doubled down on our efforts to ensure all troops, all veterans, get the services they need. in that no veteran is denied the honor they earn, because they were just charged for being lgbtq plus. [applause] it matters. it matters to the vet for the state of delaware. who after years of being homeless, after years of living in a tent made of his own uniforms, finally got a roof over his head. it matters to the vet in arkansas who, after entering duties call on 9/11 after dealing with debilitating post-traumatic stress for years, finally is able to receive tailored mental health care that is changed his life. it matters to the vets of utah. after flying mission after mission over burn pits in iraq. after being diagnosed with

cancer, at just 23 years of age. he's finally receiving full coverage for his treatment. it matters. [applause] it matters to the vets in florida being exposed to agent orange and after applying being rejected for benefits four times. finally, as he wrote to me in a letter quote, is able to get by a little easier now. today, we gather not only to honor these stories, but the stories of all veterans. for it's a story of our nation at its best. a nation that stands as one to forge a better future for all. a nation that faces down fear, generation after generation, a nation that meets darkness with light again and again and again. no matter how high the cost, no matter how heavy the burden,

ladies and gentlemen, for nearly 250 years the sacrifice of many of you sitting in front of me and behind me and those who serve have kept our country free, and our democracy strong. as that young soldier wrote, more than a century ago after world war i ended, if you'd only could see a lantern shine in every window and door. today, we not only see that light of liberty we live by. and just like our forebears, it's not all of us, all of us together to ask ourselves what can we do? what must we do? to keep that light burning? to keep it shining in every window and door for generations to come. i know we can. i know we will. because, as our veterans know best, we are the united states of america.

and there's nothing beyond our capacity. [applause] nothing beyond our capacity when we do it together. god bless you all, god bless our veterans, and may god protect our troops today and always. thank you, and thank you for your service. [applause] >> all right, everybody, the president there delivering a veterans day address as he was there at the amphitheater at the arlington national cemetery. about 15 minutes of a wide ranging speech, the many conflicts in which u.s. military have served and notably also, on 9/11. that just happen in the wake of that. we're gonna be following the presidents activities today on this honorable veterans day. in the meantime, we're gonna go to the breaking news on the israel-hamas war. idf forces are advancing on foot inside gaza, while missile strikes land near hospitals, we're gonna go right nbc's erin mclaughlin, joining us from

jerusalem. erin, welcome. what can you tell us about this dire situation at the al-shifa hospital, and was that reports that israeli forces are closing in on the hospitals there? >> alex, as the israeli military is pushing further and further into gaza city, according to the palestinian red crescent, at least four of the main hospitals in gaza or areas of intense bombardment that includes the al-shifa hospital, which is the main hospital in gaza city. where tens of thousands of palestinians are sheltering. they've been speaking to doctors inside the hospital, they describe a dire and desperate situation, essentially saying that the hospital has stopped its basic functions. due to a power outage in the icu in the pediatric unit reporting that at least two patients have died as a result of that power outage, including an infant, they're lacking the basics their water medicine and

food, take a listen to what what one surgeon inside the hospital had to say. >> > yeah, shooting everywhere. bombardment of around the hospital. not only the chief, a veteran f of. the ambulances cmove from schieffer to pick up any patients outside or inside. no movement outside, and the people they are horrified. their most of all the patients. in all of the staff aren't in the building. the main buildinof the fifa hospital. they are not outside because there's shooting everywhere. we are afraid for many bullets coming through and so on. bombardments around chief, there are bombardment and so on. >> now, while the israeli military is acknowledging that there was a tense fighting in the area of the al-shifa hospital in the overnight hours between the israeli military and hamas militants, they are

denying that the hospital is under siege. and denying that they're shooting around the hospital, saying, quote, there is no shooting at the hospital, and there is no siege the east side of the hospital remains open, additionally, the israeli military can coordinate with anyone who wants to leave the hospital safely. although this doctor saying that, given the volume of patients inside that hospital suffering some from severe injuries, evacuation of the hospital simply not possible at this time. meanwhile, here in tel aviv, thousands of people are gathering for a rally to remember a 239 hostages that were captured by hamas militants on october 7th. they want to make sure the fate of those hostages remain in the forefront of the israeli government mind. alex? >> hard to forget about them, thank you so much for that, appreciate that, erin mclaughlin there in jerusalem. for all of, you are also gonna take you to gaza, get a report there at the bottom of the hour on. that just happening inside that much beleaguered hospital.

also some intelligence reports conflicting reports about whether not hamas is indeed operating some sort of command center underneath the hospital. we'll get you there at the bottom of the hour. let's go now to some new developments in the donald trump civil fraud trial. monday, his legal team will start presenting its defense. the trial's outcome could limit trump's ability to do business in new york state. his son don jr.'s gonna take the stand for the second time in the trial. more than 127 witnesses listed as potentially testifying for the defense. this follows a week of angry outbursts, memory lapses, in some gotcha moments. the former president and his daughter, ivanka, took a stand. nbc news investigative reporter chloe atkins was in the courtroom for all of that drama. she joins me now. welcome back. another week to discuss with you, lots of momentous stuff went on. tell me first of all what it was like to be in that courtroom. the tenor of everything in to see the former president in this really unprecedented position? >> trump's testimony went

pretty much as you'd expect, alex. he took much of his time on the stand attacking the attorney generals office. the prosecutors, even the judge who is sitting to the right of him, just a foot away. it was quite a spectacle to see it play out in person in the courtroom. he really turned his testimony into a political stump speech. or as the judge said, a political rally. he said things along the lines of calling the attorney general a political hack. he said that the judge was a fraud, and that this was a very unfair trial. and that no one knew anything about him. i think it's really important to take note that this case, that the a.g. is bringing, and all of the emails and documents that they brought, this past month, really hints at the core of trump. and how he sees himself. he sees himself as this savvy, wealthy businessmen. who's made strides in real estate development. and this has really put him

front and center, and shown a law in a very different way that he would've liked or hope to do. >> i'm just curious about the judges reaction when donald trump's release slandering him. feet away. we know laetitia james the attorney general, she speaks out at the courthouse every morning, and then after the trial afternoon. we get her take on things. the judge, for lack of having cameras in the courtroom, we can't see his face. how does he react to this? does he stay stone faced? >> you're lucky, i could see his face. yeah, exactly. during his time, sitting right beside trump. he has remained very steadfast and getting through the trial. when trump was asked different questions that he didn't like, he would start saying well, you know i'm a successful businessman. look at my net worth, so on, so forth. and then it would evolve and transform into this combative, explosive comments. about the judge, about the

prosecutors, and even at one point the judge said, control your client. which is the president former president trump. >> or i will. >> yeah, exactly. we've talked about these gag orders he's made it very clear what he is willing to do if anything is spoken about his staff. and then, at another point, i do want to mention he did concede that he would review these annual financial statements. and would review them. that could be beneficial for the a.g.'s case. >> absolutely. i'm gonna get some reaction to his outbursts here, with a lawyer thinks about all that and how could play going forward. that said quickly, ivanka trump different demeanor than her father. what was your take away? >> very different. when she was on the stand, she was very poised. she spoke very softly she even smiled and laughed at different times during her testimony. you know, very much so like her brothers and her father, she distanced herself in the

financial statements and how they were prepared. as it relates to the loans which we've talked about many times when she was forced to look at emails or documents regarding those loans, she would often rely on the i don't recall. >> okay. guess what, i have more questions. we'll see you again next hour. chloe, thank you for that. in the meantime, it is a what if scenario that would cross new lines. donald trump's intentions for his perceived political enemies. if he returns to the white house. harry litman joins me next, we're back in 60 seconds. ck in 60 seconds jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday. you only turn 30 once. and jen z? her credit's golden. hello new apartment. three jens getting ahead with chase. solutions that grow with you. one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours.

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soon i do have harriet, levant that we do have stephanie just a little bit. harry, let's bring you into the camera focus, excellent have you here. okay. the question to you is, is there any reason to think donald trump would use the power of the presidency to go after his political rivals? we should have a soundbite i would like to play where he's talking about this. he's talking about this pretty candidly in an interview that he gave. it's a little scary to listen to. we're gonna played anyway. here it is, everybody, take a listen. >> they've done indictments in order to win an election they call it weaponization. and the people aren't gonna stand for. yeah they have done something that allows the next party if somebody if i have to be president. and i see somebody who's doing well and beating me very badly i say, go down and indict them. mostly whether that would be, they would be out of business. maybe a. after the election. >> okay. there is a chance that the

people if he gets in the white house with whom he would surround himself, lawyers, othered ministration officials, might not stop him from doing that. what are the guardrails in place for him pursuing that? first of, is it even constitutionally possible for him to do that? >> well, he is screaming i will shred the constitution, it's not just a sound by, alex. he has people who are preparing white papers to do exactly what he's saying. so, is there a chance? are you kidding? he's screaming it from a bullhorn. i'm wary of going to quickly to not see metaphors, but look. hit lauren mussolini at least head there fascist objectives until after they were elected. he was screaming it from the rooftops. and at some point you've got to think about the american peoples role here. we are a democracy and what more does one have to here to

know that this would be 47th president would absolutely shred the constitution. he's screaming it, he's promising. it and knowing him he will be exactly true to his word he has plans, literally from day one to do exactly this. and would it be unconstitutional? of course. with that stop him? there who the heck knows. >> so, let's see what we predict from monday when donald trump junior returns to the stand, first defense witness, defense, now prosecution in in a ruling on thursday, judge engoron gave dorump a victory, allowing his attorneys to call s witnesses to refute testimony about him falsifying his financial statements. what is the strategy the defense lawyers would use when they question don junior and what can we expect to hear from him? do you have any idea who these additional witnesses are

whether they're gonna make a difference? >> yeah, i think we have a general idea. it'll be pretty interesting. their witnesses were gonna come forward, i think, to say two things. first, new york will estate market. it is so the wild west. evaluations can vary enormously. and second, people who work in banks saying, who the hell is gonna come forward, still work to the bank to say this and say. we don't really care what a guy like donald trump says, we know he's gonna be good for it et cetera. it's really the same points that he was trying to make embedded in the diatribe that kobe just described. engoron let trump go, because he doesn't want to give rise to an issue on appeal that he's biased. these are really irrelevant points to the charges, which is did they make false statements? you can look for and iran to shut down some of the more, the less relevant testimony. they let him make his case, and

basically, say, no harm no foul. that's not what new york law says. the harm is in the lie in the foul is in the expert money that the trump organization made by overstating its value in getting better interest rates than it should have had. >> you wrote abt mething pretty interesting and it is, here's what the court was. almost every ob of the civil trial dissipates a verdict that will be devaating to trump, and very possibly eviscerate w remains of his business empire. yet, there's no getting arod the sense that not only did trump bring this legal harm on himself, he did so on purpose. wow. >> it seems true to me. he is a one trick pony. that means his legal defense is the same as his political campaigning. any lawyer will tell you, i mean it's disastrous for the law, he has some sense that somehow he can get his way out

of it if he becomes president again. and he'll certainly have a lot of tools like the ones we just mentioned up front here, for example. even though there's some state charges that he as president could just order to stand down. he could certainly start an fbi investigation fani willis or arthur engoron or whatever. but he's running this as a real crass political campaign. his audience doesn't seem to be the judge or juries. but his adoring fan base. in the sense that he is both a martyr and a rebel. >> yeah, it is stunning. let me ask you quickly about the new court filing by the ial counsel this week, the electiinterference case. whh revealed the january 6th insurrection will be the centerpiece of the trial set to begin in march. is this surprising? because trump was not charged by the special counsel with inciting a riot, is this a risky strategy considering the

courts have not noted that rather they have noted he didn't explicitly tell his supporters to commit violence or break laws that. >> not at all. all the special counsel is saying is this really goes to his intent and motive. is responding to a trump motion and how rich is this. the motion is, let's not even talk about january 6th. the actual riot it would be inflammatory. yeah, i think so. who did the information here? it was trump. trump is trying to keep it out of it. smith is saying, quite properly, are you kidding? this goes very clearly when he, when the ride is raging and he's doing nothing about it that shows his intent. you can't just somehow x -- the riot itself from the story. nor should you. >> okay, harry, thank. you by the way, when i mention this our former white house

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underway right now in tel aviv. there, you can see hundreds of very likely -- thousands who are protesting any sort of delay and bringing home those hostages from israel. they want to make sure that they are top of mind for the israeli government to bring them home. again this is happening right now in tel aviv, looks peaceful at the moment. again, hundreds, certainly will stretch into the thousands. we'll keep an eye on that as there's also some breaking news to discuss, from gaza now.

israeli forces closing in on gaza's largest hospital. the clashes between idf and hamas happening outside the last few hours. there are some new questions about israel's claims that militants are operating underneath that hospital. in fact, biden administration officials and congressional sources are offering some conflicting accounts, as this is based on u.s. intelligence reporting. let's go right to nbc's dan dolusic, is gonna join us and talk about this. dan, welcome, what are we hearing from sources about this perception that hamas is using the al-shifa hospital as a shield by having a command center underneath the hospital? >> that's right, alex. israel is maintaining that hamas has a command center and operated these tunnels under the hospital to u.s. officials told nbc news, they have no reason to doubt israel's view, and that hamas does have military infrastructure there. under the hospital, as

essentially using that hospital as a shield for themselves as they do elsewhere in gaza. they operate among and within civilians intentionally, which, of course, would be a war crime under international law. but having said that, too can congressional sources told us. the u.s. can't necessarily independently confirmed that. in other words, really, for years, the u.s. has relied on israel and its intelligence gathering in gaza. it is after al right over the southern border. it has very elaborate intelligence there over the years. the u.s. can't necessarily independently confirmed that. but it doesn't also removed the responsibility for israel and how it operates. even if that's true. still, under the laws of war, there has to be proportionality. they have to distinguish between civilians and combatants. they can't necessarily just fire at will. israel claims it's not

targeting the hospital directly. >> yeah, there's a lot to digest it all. this thank you very much, dan deluce for that. in the meantime, coming up next, the not so funny thing republicans did in the face of a government shutdown. congresswoman jasmine koch joins me. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. [stomach growling] it's nothing... sounds like something. ♪when you have nausea, heartburn, indigestion♪ ♪upset stomach, diarrhea♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes for fast relief when you need it most.

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the speakers stopgap spending plan today. the house took the weekend off. despite the government heading toward a shutdown deadline on friday. how are americans supposed to interpret this dysfunction? what do you tell your constituents about the prospects of government

shutdown? >> you know, alex, today's veterans day. so, i just got home from an event for my veterans. and i told them that i wish i wouldn't be so full of gloom and doom. but i could be a politician in light of them, or i could be real with them which is what i thought they wanted of me. i told them we're about to shut down. and when we got a speaker and people can kept asking, democrats, are you said that you voted mccarthy? out i said, no. not sad about it at all. we have been in the house, and all we've been doing is running in circles. we have not been going anywhere. this is further evidence that these people are very unserious. they don't want to govern. frankly, i still don't understand why americans believe, republicans are better on the economy than democrats. when they can't do the simple basic job that we are required to do. which is to pass appropriations and keep this government open. >> i'm sure those veterans are very appreciative of your

candor in truth talking to them. let's move and talk about the voters in ohio, virginia, pennsylvania, kentucky overwhelmingly voting in support of reproductive rights on tuesday. abortion access is an issue, it drives turnout. how might these results foreshadow november next year? >> well, listen, i don't want anyone to think that this fight is over i had an opportunity to go to ohio and rally there. and get the vote out with my freshman colleague who is referred to as my twin, amelia sakes. i was so excited to be in ohio and feel their energy. one of the other people that came with us was sarah, who actually represents california. one of the things that we've been trying to impress upon this country, even if you live in a blue state like california, or in new york, or in any state that is actually protected reproductive access, that doesn't mean you're going to be protected. the house has elected mega mike,

a guy who wants to push a national abortion ban. we cannot rest, we have to keep up this fight. we have to keep up this energy. we've got to keep pressing. because if we sit down again, we may go ahead and lose our freedom for once and for all in this country. as it relates to reproductive access. >> i don't think people are gonna sit down about this, and here's potentially why. tuesday's results have the republican colleagues reconsidering their stance on abortion the of the national republan senatorial committee, which is urging candidates to state their potion to a national abortion ban, and instead, voice support for reasonable lims on late term abortions and it's, quote, encouraging candidates to contrast that position with democrat support for taxpayer funded abortion without limits. so, all we have to do is put what has been said then to being potentially what maybe said going forward. are voters going to see through gop flip-flops as just pandering to get votes?

>> i don't know, think about this way, alex. the person that the house unanimously voted, house republicans, unionists recently voted to put into the speaker position, is a guy who is pushing a national abortion ban. so, my deal is, there is a point in time where everyone was comfortable under roe v. wade. and then 50 years later, dobbs came along. what i want to do is make sure that we keep this energy up, we need to keep it up for every single election. and you're right, republicans have seen the writing on the wall. but for whatever reason they refuse to read it. instead, they decide, let's go ahead and try to cheat and take seats, whichever way we can whether it's the gerrymandering, whether it's through pushing maps into these radical right courts where they will get these terrible decisions, or whether it's a matter of spitting in the face of the supreme court, such as louisiana. and saying, yes we know they are supposed to have another seat. we don't to do it. so, they are so defiant, that i

don't know. i want people to keep this energy up. this is the energy that we need if we're not only going to protect reproductive freedom in this country but all the other freedoms. that has the fight that i have been waging every time i go to the streets. i say, this isn't just about whether or not you agree with abortion. it's bigger than that. if they can take this freedom away, there may be a freedom that you care more about, or your marcos le aligned to that will be next on the chopping block. it's important we build our coalition around freedom in general. we can win. >> let's switch to this, because you say the israel hamas issue is delicate for president biden. quote, it's a very fine line to walk it's one that a lot of us as members, especially progressive members find ourselves having to try to balance. i'm curious how you are handling that balance, some of your fellow progressives calling for a cease-re. i know that you visited israel with congressnal delegation last summer, curious if

that left some sorn impression on you relative to and you got to look at what happened to rashida tlaib, the only palestinian american in the halls of congress. and the fact that she was censored from the thing, she said. how do you feel about that? >> you know, the republicans are the most hypocritical people i've ever met in this entire life of mine this short life of mine. for me, as relates to the censure, it's a matter of what's good for the goose is good for the gander. they are so outraged and so outraged, to be clear, about rashida. but they are not outraged by anything that any of the wackos on their side have said? it just doesn't make sense. and what they are trying to do is they are trying to play political games, they're trying to distract from the fact that they are not governing. we were dealing with a censure of my colleague, the only

palestinian in the u.s. house. so, therefore, what was the new cycle talking about? talking about that. was it talking about the fact that the republicans were pushing a teacup bill that was going to cut over 30% out of housing and urban development in and of itself. which is the theme that people are complaining about when they're complaining about access to housing. so, they are the masters of distraction, that is for sure. and there is nothing more to it than that. they don't care. if anybody believes that the republicans are trying to stand up, and they are trying to be on the side of ray i got news for you. they are not they are just trying to distract from there in competencies. i wasn't going to play that game, when we came to congress, we are supposed to be a serious body of people and i just don't think that you decide that you are going to say that she does never first amendment rights. this was a process issue for me. i decided to vote against it. for sure. there were other people that had issues with the underlying subject matter in and of itself.

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leader of the free world conducts himself under unprecedented circumstances on the stand. >> well, you know, it's really interesting to watch him this week. i saw a man who just has no control. and i think it's he's really struggling with that. the first time, and probably his life, definitely in the last five or six years that this judge as all the control, and he doesn't. it's been really interesting to watch. i've got to say, i give them kudos in the fact that they're making these actual issues that he's got legally into political events and political statements. and i did see today, he's pushing for cameras in the courtroom for some of these other cases. it was typical trump, i was not surprised, but i can tell that he's feeling a lack of control right now. >> what about ivanka, when he was surprised by her conduct on the stand was the opposite of her fathers? i know that your work with melania puts you in really perhaps the best position of former staffers to understand the family dynamic. would you say this went

according to expectation? >> yeah, obviously, she tried to get out of doing it many, many times. stating that is the middle of a school week, that was an undue hardship for her. once she got there, she was poised, she answered things in the way that she does. i don't buy that she doesn't recall things, ivanka trump is a very, very smart woman. and has an amazing memory. i used to actually marvel about that when i work with her. so talking about not recalling kind of ring a little not true to me. but her behavior was exactly the opposite of her father's. that is what i saw the entire time as with them. >> one of your former colleagues will be on the show here, ivanka as a huge influence on her father. but between donald and ivanka, who wields more influence over the other? >> are you talking about donald her father or donald? you >> know, donald, have either. okay, she did have some influence with him. a lot like with melania, if she would go to him and state her

case about something that meant a lot to her, he would oftentimes listen to her. at the end of the day, donald trump is in charge. donald trump will do what he wants, no matter who it is that's talking to him. melania and ivanka definitely have an edge over anyone else. still, he'll do what he wants when he wants. >> okay. yesterday, trump was reacting to a cnn report that says some trump workers might be called to testify about seeing documents lying around there at mar-a-lago. here's what wrote. of course they did, they may have seen the boxes, et cetera that were openly in plainly brought from the white house, as is my right on the presidential records act. stephanie, tell me on the show in july, you saw trump showed classified documents to people on that dining room patio at mar-a-lago. have you been approached by investigators to talk about his pattern in the way that he handled these materials? >> i have definitely spoken with various people on various investigations, which i don't want to get ahead of any further than that, but i think that what will be important

about some of these mar-a-lago workers, yes, they will have probably seen the boxes. but i think what they'll be able to testify to is that absolutely nothing gets done at mar-a-lago or bedminster, any of his properties, without his say so. period. it could be the smallest thing, it could be the maids putting soap in a certain place. he knew everything. he directed everything. i spent five years, every holiday, with the first family at mar-a-lago. and bedminster as well. i got to know all of those workers to. a everyone does exactly what he said, nobody makes a move without him. that goes down to the the maids. the plumbers. at center it said. that's gonna be what maybe they're gonna be able to help the prosecution with. >> what about maloney's surprise appearance, halloween i think it was, the mar-a-lago party there. she hadn't been seen in public with the former president for months and months. what do you think that was

about? the washington post says, in september, it was their headline. missing melania flyers had popped up around iowa, there is an airplane that flew over a college football game. do you have any sense of where things stand in her level of the way she intends to support her husband in this campaign? >> i mean, i don't have any personal knowledge right now. certainly. she's doing exactly what she's always done. and i know that my answer seems to disappoint a lot of people with that. look, she does what she wants, when she wants. she and her husband are absolutely a lot more like than i think people want to believe. showing up at that halloween party, that was nothing anything she shows are better mar-a-lago holiday party be at new year's eve or christmas party or any other big. event that's pretty normal. she has said that she will support her husband whenever he does. but i don't think you're gonna see her on the campaign trail the whole ton. it's just not who she is.

things actually respected and admired about her, she's a very independent strong minded woman. >> here, something the post also quoted saying that maloney appeared cringey, the way joe biden always seem to be hanging around joe. once telling you stuff that she didn't need to, quote, hold her husband up the same way. how do you interpret? that is melania confusing holding her husband up with supporting him? >> yeah, i think she believes that, you know, he can do his own thing his or husband strongmen. he can do things on his own. she does not need to be by his side at all times. that is exactly what she said she didn't think that she needed to be by his side for everything like joe biden was, fate she thought that almost made president biden look weak. he had to have his weight around. it's just what the relationship is like. she'll be there for the big events, she'll be there for the larger scale events.

other than, that she's got her own life. it's a very transactional relationship. >> okay. all right, before we let you go, do you have any, and i'm not trying to get ahead of things as you said earlier. given the fact that you spent so much time with the family, specifically at mar-a-lago, do you think it's possible you might appear in jack smith's case there with the documents? >> oh, i don't have any insight into that right now. like i said, i've been participating, voluntarily in many of the cases. we'll just see where it goes. whatever they need for me i'll be around. >> okay, you always run for us, i appreciate that, my friend. have a good one. >> what's going on with new york city's mayor, and why his cell phones were suddenly seized. that's coming up. that's coming up with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. oh. [dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪

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cell phones this week after a federal investigation into federal fundraising. the seizure came a week after federal agents searched the home of his chief fund-raiser, nbc's george soliz is outside new york city hall and is joining us now. so, george, welcome. i understand that the mayors electronics were taken by the fbi, but on a new york city street? >> yeah, right, alex. two phones, an ipad, and other electronic devices. sources telling nbc news they were actually planning on taking the items during the new york city marathon and did after a speaking event near nyu. now, reports of the mayor has not been accused of any wrongdoing. also, all signs point to an investigation that is ramping up. all that leads back to campaign donations to a 2021 campaign, as it relates to a construction firm and its ties to the turkish government. as you mentioned there, a lot of eyes on the top campaign eight very. the 25-year-old woman named brianna subs, agents obviously taking a lot of information

from the home there. mayor adams, for his part, releasing a statement about all this, saying in part as a foreign -- former member of law enforcement, he was retired from the nypd as a captain, i expect all members of staff to follow the law and fully cooperate with any sort of investigation, and i will continue to do exactly that. adding, he has nothing to hide. so, the new york times reported some of those electronics may have been returned back to the mayor. the authorities just needed them to make some copies of the information on the phone there. the mayor also earlier this week following the raid of his top fund-raiser, also postponed a trip to washington. he was there and immediately flew back to new york, telling the nbc he came home because he had to deal with something. take a listen. >> i cannot tell you how much i start today by telling my team, we got to follow the law. we've got to follow the law. it's almost at the point i'm