the country. we have an update that is taking place in the last hour. democrats are posting on x that the rnc and the leadership form have agreed that the forum is not a debate we. the rnc candidates -- the gop candidates are given thumbs up and there is a-facilitated win-win for the both of them. now that there is this go ahead from the rnc, although we do not have full confirmation yet, we can expect all the candidates and biden minus president trump to attend this forum next week. yasmin? jake, thank you so much. we appreciate it. we've got a lot more coming up. msnbc our second hour starts right now. hi, everybody, i'm yasmin the to get. if you're just joining, us welcome. if you are sticking with us, we are thankful for that. any moment, our expected to get a new funding bill from house speaker mike johnson to avoid a

government shutdown. now just six days away. the big question is, can he get his members to support it? in a moment, i'm gonna speak to democratic congressman, greg casar about the potential shutdown. as well as his call for a cease-fire in gaza, which puts him at odds with the white house. we're gonna be on the ground in israel, with fighting ongoing. at least one major hospital, just heard from israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, vowed to continue to war on hamas undeterred. donald trump on the campaign trail in new hampshire, just days after unleashing a vision of what would be the theme of a second trump presidency. revenge. >> that could certainly happen, it could certainly happen in reverse. what they've done is, they've released the genie out of the box, you understand that? they've done something that nobody thought would happen. i happen to be president, i see somebody who's doing well, beating me very badly. i say, go down and indict them. mostly,of

business. they'd be out. out of the election. >> that's the former president of the united states threatening to jail, to imprison, his political opponents if he gets the white house back. all of that plus hollywood scrambling to get back to work after the end of the sag strike. how long will it take before we actually get to see all the new stuff that has been delayed. we're gonna look at that, coming up as well. we begin this hour with breaking news out of washington. house republicans are set to unveil a stopgap funding bill to avoid an impending government shutdown. with so much disorder within the republican party, can they actually get a bill passed and approved by the senate by friday's deadline. nbc congressional correspondent, julie tsirkin, is joining us with the very latest on this. 301. what are we hearing? >> well, the call is just getting started, i'm told, by members who are joining it. again, as i told you last hour, he has been, this is really the first opportunity for these republican members of congress to hear from their new speaker

of two weeks. facing his first big test, to try and avert that government shutdown deadline, now six days away. i'm told johnson is still leaning toward that two-tiered so-called -- cr they talk about, that continued resolution that would extend current funding levels, i'm told, through at least january and february those. some of the dates that we're talking about. certainly, this plan is not one favored by democrats. because democrats say this would make things logistically complicated. hard-line conservatives want to reduce spending, they say that would force the senate to pass individual spending bills, rather than those big packages we often see at the end of the year just before christmas. that's something johnson, who really wants to avoid here. the question is, can he get to 2:17 on the floor tuesday? that's the earliest, i'm told, they can vote on this plan. that 72-hour rule getting members a chance to digest what's in this bill. if he can't, that means he's more likely to consider a quote

unquote clean cr, the democrats prefer. something heading into mid january, without those teared deadlines. funding some agencies on one day, other agencies on the other. a logistical nightmare for all of capitol hill here. we will really see in the next couple of hours, as we see this bill text hopefully, what johnson's plan is all about. >> okay, julie, when we get word of this bill, you're getting some reporting from this call, let our producers know. we'll get you back on as quickly as we can. we are certainly anticipating and curious as to what exactly speaker johnson's gonna lay out here to avert government shutdown. for now, julie tsirkin, thank you. i want to get right at the texas democratic representative, greg casar, to talk more about this. congressman, thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. we got a couple things to talk about. i want to talk first about what i just talked about my colleague, julie tsirkin, awaiting this plan coming from speaker johnson. the first time we're going to see him, hear him, lay out what he wants to do to avert this government shutdown.

this to teared cpr that would get us through into the new year, i believe into february. what are your thoughts on this? i want to be clear, obviously, we've got the text of what he the plans layout. this is our reporting indicating this is what he wants to do. >> yasmin, thanks so much for having me on. as your colleague laid out, we keep on hearing these proposals coming from the republican side that shut down some agencies, open, others and more chaos. your colleague said, democrats prefer a clean cr. it shouldn't be a partisan issue one way or the other. this isn't just a simple policy disagreement. a clean sergeants is, let's not hurt the american people. let's not damage our air traffic control, it's not damaged our economy. if there isn't a budget agreement, with the senate being run by the democrats, the house being run by the republicans, let's just not cause intentional damage. that's the place that progressive democrats like myself or. of course, there are progressive things they would

like to get out of the cr. instead, i and so many others, are just saying, let's not shut down the just keep working together, and unfortunately, it is those hard right republicans who are trying to cause the admission. these lettered started on the way of saying, let's shut down some essential government services for people. here and there. it's that kind of chaos and damage that they're trying to use, essentially, in their quest to earn president biden politically, even if they're throwing the american people under the bus in the process. >> he had to pull two spending bills in the last minute this week. i'm wondering even with all what you said, even if he has the votes to get this across with his own caucus. knowing how senate democrats feel about this as well. >> well, i'm a new freshman democrat in congress. and this is become the new normal for us, it's coming for late night votes. we there aren't the votes. things fall apart. it's become clear, the republicans aren't interested

in the house, in governing. they are interested in getting their news clips, interested in trying to help elect president trump, even as trump says the outrageous things you heard in the earlier segments. they don't have the capacity to govern. they don't have the responsibility, it doesn't seem like the will to govern. and make those sorts of hard choices. the least we can do is say, okay, if you guys aren't ready to govern. let's just not hurt the american people by having a shutdown, government servant services people will. and i've seen turn into texas in my district. military city usa. we're talking about hundreds of thousands of active military having to work without pay. that's what they are starting to threaten us with. they are not interested in helping make things better. in fact, chaos is the point for so many of them. >> i want to talk and pivot to israel. we were just listening to prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and along with his defense minister as well. thematically, one of the big things that came out of it, he said, now, he's been waffling on this back and forth.

he's changed his mind a couple of times. now saying, israel will indefinitely provide security for gaza after this war is over. when the end comes. none of us really know. you, alongside 13 other democrats, have called for a cease-fire. in gaza. what do you make of this plan from the prime minister to provide security for gaza indefinitely, knowing the history of the region. and also, these intermittent humanitarian pauses they have allowed. so far refusing any type of cease-fire. >> so many of us in the congress or talking with constituents in our community as so many people are dying and being killed in gaza we want to see hostages return we want to see hamas stopped. but the idea of continued and indefinite war, and continued

an indefinite occupation, is something that doesn't actually provide real safety to us. for those of us that grew up in the bush era, seeing how occupation of afghanistan and iraq did in fact make us safer. we can see that it's not targeted operations. i hope we see the hostages returned, doesn't seem to be much progress on that. instead finding a way that the global community can come together, stop the killing, get the hostages returned and create long term peace and sovereignty for both palestinians and israelis alike. it has to be the solution. permanent military occupation has not worked to this point. and we should try to find a way to not continue to go backwards amidst the bloodshed. >> i know there's been a lot of fractures within your party as well, over this particular issue, there is the center of your colleague congresswoman rashida tlaib. the only palestinian congresswoman congress person i should say in the house, also reports that you had a confrontation with representative josheime

over remarks made du a conference meeting allegedly. can you walk us through what happened there? >> yeah, this was a private democratic meeting, private caucus meeting and i hate to speak ill of anyone. but tensions were high. a member of congress was standing upright policing, we need to bring our muslim constituents alongside our jewish constituents and warning after these tariffs attacks. by hamas. and she said she wanted to to try to make some spaces comfortable for muslim clerics in her community to be able to join. comment was made saying, that those muslim community members weren't coming because they felt guilty or. they were all guilty. i think that that was said by my colleague in a moment of intense feeling. and i think it was a terrible thing to say. i had the conversation with

them. unfortunately, of course, those comments were leaked. it does give you a sense of the way that we are really humans in congress. we're trying to wrestle with these questions. we have to put some of those very intense disagreements, not just aside, but to look at them and say how are we feeling? how can we work together? how can we find common ground? even if our tactics may be different. how do we figure out how to reduce the killing? had we figured out a reduced that? death? how do we reduce antisemitism and islamophobia both in this moment? so, in a moment where i was upset another upset i think we saw some of our own humanity on display, some people at home feel. i know you've reported some of these fractures, but i think all of those fractures are coming from us honestly trying to figure out how to make things better and difficult time. >> congressman greg casar, thank you so much appreciated. >> thanks a bunch.

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like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. all right, we're following breaking news out of israel. where prime minister bibi netanyahu speaking live delivering the message that israel is taking control of security in gaza. indefinitely. i want to get right nbc's erin mclaughlin, who's in tel aviv for us. following this. erin, this has been one of the overarching questions for quite some time. which is, what happens the day after? it did not seem initially during the initial days of this war, that israel had much of a plan. now we're hearing of course from the prime minister, that israel will retain security control of gaza indefinitely. this is happened before. it did not work. i'm wondering in reaction that

you're getting, i know it's just happening and also, what more he is saying in sharing in this conference? especially when it comes to, this these hostages, their safety and their potential release. >> yeah, well, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu doubling down on his assertion that he made at the beginning of the week, that israel mate will maintain overall security control of gaza. and this press conference, clarifying saying islamic -- the idf or control the gaza strip as long as necessary. it will never agree to give up on security control under no circumstances. whatsoever. when he said this early in the week, it raised a lot of eyebrows here in the region. many leaders very concerned that this war is a pretext for israel to go in and re-occupy gaza. something that u.s. officials say they are vehemently against, calling for a political

solution on the ground. something in which the palestinians would be able to determine their own political future although the u.s. secretary of state, antony blinken did acknowledge that there may need to be a transition period prior to that. the question of senior palestinians that i've been talking to here is that if you have political control, you also need security control. security control amounts to reoccupation of the gaza strip. also, in this press conference just happening now, the prime minister benjamin netanyahu saying that he's going to continue with this war full force. full power. he declared that hamas lost its grip over the gaza strip, it has no place to hide, hamas is doomed to death. he also had a warning for hezbollah in the northern front do not make the mistake to enter the war. he also addressed the hostages, although he had no update, no concrete update there. we know that hostage negotiations are going on,

mediated by qatar. but he said there will be no cease-fire until the hostages returned, and at the hostages remain at the forefront of the israeli effort in this war. he said that when there's something concrete, then he will update the families. i was just at a rally, just a short while ago, thousands of israelis here in tel aviv railing against the lack of information, wanting to know where their loved ones are all 239 that were kidnapped by hamas on october 7th and brought into gaza. they are complaining that they have had no proof of life. there is a concern that as this war continues and rages on, hostage lives could be lost in the process. yasmin? >> any indication, erin, that he mentioned an extension of these humanitarian pauses longer humanitarian pauses days instead of hours? >> well, he was reiterating his

position that there will be no cease-fire until all hostages are released. so far, with the israelis have agreed to at the behest of the united states or these so-called tactical pauses. the small windows small windows for palestinians to be able to evacuate from the northern part of the gaza strip to the southern part of the gaza strip. they have agreed, at the behest of the united states, to expand that two and an additional corridor along the coastline. but humanitarian community is absolutely outrageous. seeing this is not enough. ahead of the ioc saying, that other berreman, about what is necessary here is that five-day pause in the fighting to facilitate not only more palestinians ability to get to areas of safety but also to get humanitarian supplies into the gaza strip. that's necessary to avert humanitarian catastrophe. what we're hearing from the israeli prime minister's resolve to continue on with the current course full power

amidst growing cries from the international community including even the french president, that what we're seeing the violence that we're seeing there in gaza in the words of a mini macron, is not justified. it appears that this point based on what we just heard, that the israeli government is continuing with its plan full force. >> digging. in i don't to be clear before that you go, i understood the rate. essentially the israeli prime minister said they will continue indefinitely to control the security in gaza. and they will never give up control of security in gaza. is that accurate? >> yeah, that is accurate, the notes i have here, he will never agree to give up on security control, quote, under no circumstances whatsoever. again, the israeli prime minister doubling down on his assertion from earlier in the week that israel intends to maintain security control over the gaza strip.

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we've been following this press conference out of tel aviv with prime minister benjamin netanyahu along with -- former defense minister, an opposition party leader as well. along with his own defense minister. the news being made out of this press conference we heard much about, him visiting with the families of the hostages that are still being held in gaza. no news there as to negotiations and where they stand. as of now. no news as to whether not he's going to extend these humanitarian pauses, these four hour windows that they have ongoing right now. however, the prime minister did in fact say they will indefinitely oversee the security in gaza, and will never give up security of gaza.

one of the overarching questions we have been asking throughout this entire war and conflict, what happens the day after this war is over? whenever that day comes in for a while if he was israel did not really have a plan there. now we're getting that plan. in the plan is israel will control gaza as of now. i want to bring in on the phone former cia officer in msnbc national security analyst, -- to talk more about this. this is some major news, mark, thanks for jumping on us for us. we appreciate it. you and i have spoken repeatedly about what happens after. and i think many analysts would agree. the plan the prime minister benjamin netanyahu is laid out was not necessarily the ideal plan for gaza. an occupation of the gazan territory. yet, in fact, he has now said twice during this press conference that exactly what's going to happen. what is your recollection?

>> so, i find this curious. it was clear that, over the last several days, and certainly weeks plus, there's been some daylight between the u.s. and israel on a number of issues. whether that's a humanitarian pauses, how it was conducting the war in terms of civilian casualties. but this is only going to exacerbate that the. secretary blinken in the entire biden administration national security team has been working very hard on this day after scenario. of trying to gin up eric superb support for something, visits to see the palestinian leadership palestinian authority leadership, with netanyahu coming out and saying this now it only seems to really widen this gap between u.s. and israeli goals. i find it curious, and certainly this is not gonna be welcomed by the administration. >> i mean, this was actually a piece that you identified that i read on haaretz talking about what really happened the day

after. and one of the recommendations that was made by the writer in haaretz was that the international community and or the united states needed to make sure the palestinian authority was involved in the rebuilding in the control of gaza after as one of the avenues in which they needed to take. instead this is essentially the prime minister here saying along with his unity party that they've created during this wartime, that they will re-occupy gaza as they did in the early 2000s, which we all will know did not work. and contributed to the last two decades of what has taken place in gaza. and has contributed to the leadership that is now in gaza the governance in gaza which is hamas. >> it seems to be a pretty hard line that netanyahu is taking. the question is why? when really again, the u.s. and some of the arab states as well have been trying so hard to figure out what happens next.

this is antithetical to all of that. and even israeli national security analysts, have been arguing that israel should not reoccupy gaza. very hard-line position perhaps it has to do with internal israeli politics in how netanyahu's gotta keep the more extreme members on the rate happy in israel. this is gonna cause a problem with united states and what i don't understand is why would. when there's been that international condemnation of the civilian casualties, and the u.s. is desperately trying to keep everything together, why would netanyahu say something like this? it's only gonna make a diplomatic track worse. that's gonna get a lot of attention. internationally it's really not gonna help israel's cause at all. >> so, this is the quote from netanyahu that i just got from our correspondent on the ground. i want to make sure that i had the readout of that's dame. it -- idf or control gaza strip never agree to give up security control, quote, under no

circumstances. whatsoever. never agree to give up on security control under no circumstances whatsoever. that, to me, sounds as if israel will re-occupy gaza forever. and then where do these 2 million-plus palestinians then reside? that have left and gone to the south? what point does enough say, sorry mark, step in here and with the prime minister and say maybe it's time for you to step aside if in fact you want to secure israel going for, if in fact to secure gaza going forward? this is also an analysis that we've heard over over from haaretz as well. >> right, to be extremely generous to netanyahu's statement, one could say that when the palestinian authority took over control in the west bank that israel still enjoyed

some type of security arrangement from them or with him. perhaps if he had sent something like that it would have been a little more palatable this does not sound like that. again, there can be an arrangement in which there's some kind of international force that comes in, somehow, some entity palestinian authority reborn ends up governing in gaza. and the israelis would have some kind of some safe bill. just as they do in the west bank. still that security coordination. this didn't sound like that. the senate like a very extreme hard-line. and it's gonna cause a little people to question not only netanyahu's sincerity, but also why is he going, in essence, pick a fight with united states? now the biden administration is not gonna like this at all. they've been exceedingly patient. but i think the daylight is going to be growing. and this is to the detriment of israel. the statement today by netanyahu does not help israel's cause, vis-à-vis, it's

relation with huge u.s.. nor internationally as well. at a time in there still so much pressure building on them. because of civilian casualties. >> mark, if you will stand by for me i know that you jump on this call for us and, we appreciate you we are getting some news from capitol hill, i want to go to there, and i'll come back to you in just a moment we're getting a readout, it seems, and some reporting now per this call speaker johnson is holding with his republican caucus about how to avert a government shutdown when it comes to this cr plane, the step letter plan that speaker johnson was to get across the finish line. julie tsirkin, i wanna bring you back to the conversation here quickly. i asked, you were delivering. what are you hearing? >> and just for giving me, i look at my phone and getting text from members in realtime, this call is ongoing, in just a few moments ago speaker johnson unveiled his plan, it would be that to teared see our continuing resolution that we've been recording. all day now. what it does, it funds the government to separate parts, rather than the whole government as we've often seen.

even with short term extensions of government funding deadline, the first deadline would come on january 19th for a bunch of bills, agencies like water, transportation, like military contracts all kinds of agencies that are required, of course, have funding to keep the lights on. the second tranche would be funded until february 2nd. we have two different dates democrats were concerned about this because it's very logistically complicated. this is also a plan endorsed and backed by some of the most conservative republican members. notably, yasmin, real quickly here, this is by all accounts a clean, quote unquote, see our that's because it doesn't have any budget cuts. any spending cuts it, also doesn't have any aid for israel. i am told, in part, that's because johnson, who boxed himself into a corner here said that he still wants those offsets, those paid force for any emergency aid, including israel, something he deftly supports. details here, just the last couple of minutes, i'm told bill text will dropped, at the

end of this call. we'll certainly look out for that. >> talk to be about timing here. >> so, if this bill comes out today, which we estimate will, since he just talked about it, a vote could happen as soon as tuesday. that's because members need 72 hours to read legislation per house rules that were adopted earlier this year. if it passes, which is a big if, certainly johnson is operating with a very, very slim and fragile majority, that puts democrats in the senate in an interesting spot, again, this doesn't have any budget cuts. something they will certainly approve of. this is not the approach that any grown-up appropriators over there, even republicans on that side, want to take. just because of the complexity of it. putting more showdowns in the future for potential funding cliffs. multiple times, rather than just one. if it doesn't pass, the senate already began work on their own clean continuing resolution with just one funding deadline i'm, told likely going to mid-january. we'll see how this shakes out here of the next coming days. >> who is likely to object of

this is on the republican side. do we know? >> that's a good question. this is endorsed by house freedom caucus members, that means moderates are actually the ones to watch here. a different situation the reverse that we saw a month and a half ago with kevin mccarthy. the former speaker who was the first ousted for passing a clean sea are without any spending cuts. and relying on democratic votes to do it. >> all right, julie tsirkin for, us thank you, julie. appreciate it. we're following this breaking news in the capital, we're getting this layout, this plan from speaker mike johnson as to what he wants to do to avert a government shutdown. he wants this continuing resolution in place, this step ladder plan which would take us through into the new year. it's unpopular in the senate among senate democrats, we know democrats control the senate. unpopular amongst congressional democrats as. well house democrats as well. whether not he's actually able to get it passed in the time needed, i.e., the deadline, november 17th, is really in question. we've got that going on. and then we get the split

screen moment, prime benjamin netanyahu holding this press conference in israel. alongside his defense minister -- leader of the opposition party who's formed a unity government during this war time. in which the prime minister essentially says, indefinitely, israel will provide security t and or control of gaza, we're following that breaking news in the israel-hamas war as well. all that and much more, coming up, after the break. , after the break. hings. america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars in new technologies and creating plastic products that are more recyclable. durable. and dependable. our goal is a cleaner, healthier planet for generations to come. for a better tomorrow, we're focused on making plastics better today. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours.

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yeah, i think i'm gonna need a chair. correspondent on the ground oh, ohhhh. there. that the idf will control gaza strip as long as necessary, israel will never agree to give up on security control, quote, under no circumstances. whatsoever. just speaking with marc polymeropoulos, both of us curious as to how the white house is reacting to this news coming out of israel, and the prime minister with the white house, having these ongoing conversations with prime minister benjamin netanyahu throughout this. conflict and this war want to go to aaron gilchrist, standing by for us. at the white house. with more on that. erin, what are you hearing, reaction wise, from the biden administration, the white house, with regards to what we're hearing from israel? >> we have reached out, yasmin,

for some reaction to what we heard today from the prime minister there in israel. what stood out to you also stood out to us in his comments today. so, we've asked the question, what exactly is the white house reaction? what sorts of conversations is the white house now having, or looking to have, with the israelis as a result of what the prime minister has said today? we don't know yet whether the print prime minister will speak to the prime minister as he has done in weekends past. that's a question that we're out to the white house with as well. we do know that, in the days leading up to today, there have been conversations between the prime minister and the president, and members of the presidents national security team with members of the israeli national security team apparatus as well. about what exactly their goals are, what their intentions are moving forward. we've heard several times from the white house that it's not trying to direct the military operations that the israelis are engaging in right now. but they are asking questions, as the white house has said, they're asking the hard questions about what exactly it is that the israeli military is

doing, and what their end goals are. at the same time, we know the administration has expressed a desire that israel would not maintain real control over gaza at the end of this conflict. the expectation, the hope, have been made administration's been working under, there would be a partnership, a gathering of countries around that region that would work to help the palestinian authority figure out how gaza would be governed in much the same way that the west bank would be governed as it is now under the president abbas. in that area. this language today from the israelis, from the prime minister there in israel, that they would maintain a permanent presence a more indefinite present to something that we're asking the white house to get the response to in particular the idea the expectation i think we heard from the white house, there would need to be some sort of a security presence from the israelis for a period of time at the end of this conflict,, but the idea of an indefinite presence of any

sort is something that is definitely something that we're trying to get more clarity on from the white house, in terms of his reaction. >> erin, if you hear if, you get a staple from the white house and the next 20 minutes or so, certainly let us know, to put on the shoulder, we'll get you back on here certainly can see you over the white house the president have to say and what statement released on this. aaron gilchrist was, mark polymeropoulos i would be back into the conversation. thanks for sticking around for me, we appreciate. give us your reaction what we heard from here in their? >> well, i think aaron is just correct in that, the assessment that the white house will be surprised with the tone of netanyahu's comments. particular with the amount of diplomatic work has been done behind the scenes, as you have secretary blinken, and cia director burns working the region. on a variety of issues. quite importantly the day after. and rallying the -- in terms of how they can assist in some kind of force or mechanism. we'll hear an official statement from the white house,

or you will hear officials on background talking out, expect, they're not too happy. one thing that netanyahu's press conference also nowhere, the awarding to hezbollah. this also comes on the heels of secretary -- discussion with benny gantz, the defense minister. and the u.s. was telling israel, let's try to keep this localized. to gaza. we know benny gantz, however has been an advocate for hitting hezbollah hard. i think the press conference also the state from netanyahu, with gantz next to him, is also going to cause some concern that, perhaps, the conflict will widen as well. -- >> we, are you saying mark, you think the prime minister was baiting hezbollah? >> he certainly was warning. the gantz has been the one, even at the beginning of the conflict who wanted to hit hezbollah hard. as the u.s. is trying to really reduce the escalatory moves, i think it's gonna be seen as

perhaps the israelis pushing a little on the north. at the end of the day, this is probably not a press conference in totality the windows would be very pleased with. mark polymeropoulos, we appreciate you coming on this. as well and bring my colleague anchor here at msnbc ayman mohyeldin to talk more about this. this is pretty shocking. the prime minister waffled over the past couple days, he said this early on in the week, alluded to the fact that israel would take over control of gaza this request we've been asking since the beginning. it happened the day after. it seemed initially israel had no plan whatsoever as to what was gonna happen on the day after. now they do. later on the week he alluded to the fact that maybe he was wrong about that. now he is saying, in this press conference, they will indefinitely take over control, secure gaza. they say, quote unquote, under no circumstances whatsoever will they give up security of gaza. what is your reaction to that? >> well, i think it's surprising, it's actually very

ambiguous statement. what does security of gaza actually look like? if you have 2.2 million people under your control in addition to controlling let's say the perimeter of gaza, which israel had already previously done with a billion dollar barrier that had been breached on october 7th, it has surveillance it had drones and had all kinds of technical capabilities over gaza during the blockade, what does it actually mean? you're going to keep your soldiers inside the gaza strip? even if that is the accepted term, the except a term that netanyahu has prepared for, what does that mean for the basic services of life in a 2.2 million people? the way that reads, well he says israel is going to keep security indefinitely, it actually means the reoccupation of the gaza strip. look, there's been a lot of unity between netanyahu and president biden on a lot of these comments throughout this war. the one thing president biden said very early on in his been

reiterated time and time again, it would be a mistake for israel to re-occupy gaza. when he says we are taking control of gaza security indefinitely, i say that is an ambiguous statement, it doesn't clarify what happens to the civilian population inside the gaza strip. who's gonna have schools back up and? running who's gonna have hospitals back up and running? how are gonna get food back in that? >> what about the pay force. is we're gonna pay for the rebuilding of gaza? >> exactly. it's an ambiguous statement, it sounds like it's going to say, okay, we're gonna prevent hamas from coming back, fair enough. that's the stated objective. how does that actually translate to tangible, functional things on the ground? it's not answered. i think it's gonna ruffle some feathers within the american administration, certainly others, that are worried that the intention and motivation is to re-occupy the gaza strip. why? not just because what happened on october 7th but because some of the far-right extremist members of the israeli government, it is really stellar movements, have already begun talking about repopulate

in the gaza strip with israeli settlers. trying to reclaim that territory as we've seen throughout the week as israeli soldiers have taken over territory taken pictures on the beach, raising the israeli flag. those are things that give, not only american officials a pause, but certainly across the arab world, major cause of concern to question what is the true motivation that is happening right here inside the gaza strip. >> i would read for you this analysis from hurts i thought was really -- to policies needs to implement immediate intern and be a timeframe, in order to change strategic trajectory regain international legitimacy, and strengthen the palestinian authority, the first involves heating u.s. advice, increasing request for humanitarian pauses, and intermittent local cease-fires. the second strengthening the p.a. requiring a dramatic shift in israel's political and strategic mindset. one that may lead to a political process once the settlement in gaza is extended to the west bank, the two are patently political and diplomatic courses. therefore, neither is possible as long as israel is governed

by the hubris of benjamin, quote, i am not responsible no one warned me that netanyahu, and the bam of messianic a competent extremist he calls his government and as long as the p.a. is adept, we can unpopular. >> it's important remind everyone, the weakening of the palestinian authority has been a central objective of prime minister netanyahu throughout his entire political career. from the very get-go, he is viewed the palestinian authority as an incompetent partner for peace. the palatine authority has a lot of credibility problems. certainly corruption, certainly problems with lack of democratic practices internally among the palestinians. but it is also been a net benefit for the israeli government to have a palestinian face to parts of its occupation in areas the palestinian authority has very limited control. they've wanted the palestinian authority to be weak. they've wanted, as others have documented, hamas to be strong in the gaza strip, because it allowed the prime minister and

israel and members of his coalition and others to say this is why we cannot give up control of the west bank. if we give up control of the west bank, if we end the occupation there, if we get the palestinian self rule, in the west bank, we are gonna get what we got in gaza. we're going to get hamas two point oh. they always use tomas as a scare tactic for why the palestinian authority should never be given more power, should ever be given more authority, why democratic elections could not be held in the west bank. they also said that, if there were elections inside the west bank, hamas would win. they wouldn't allow for elections to take place for national unity between the palestinian factions who have argued over the past several years among them selves saying, we have to come back together and try to get reunited ever since hamas took over the gaza strip in 2007, 2008 militarily. -- a boss control the palestinian authority in the west bank, there wasn't a concerted effort and national unity agreement to try and host palestinian elections to which israel categorically objected.

and would not allow for palestinian unity to take hold. there would be a concerted effort among this particular israeli government, in previous israeli governments, to keep the palestinian territories fractured. both politically and geographically. so, i come back to the central point following today's speech, which is, what does security control mean for israel? especially because it's indefinite. that is going to be massive challenge, now for the americans to either defend or ask the israelis to clarify. >> then you think about this, this moment that's happening right now. the split screen moment. before october 7th, on the verge of this meeting between israel in saudi. instead, you have the arab nations, the muslim world meeting in saudi arabia the iranian president president righty of iran, in saudi arabia for this meeting an unprecedented moment. >> it's an unprecedented moment,

in its talks to you about the landscape that exists in the middle east. it's not a simple to say the entire arab world is united on what should happen now, it's really the muslim world. but the amount of sympathy and empathy that the muslim world and the arab world has for the palestinian people. look, i talk about this a little bit last night on this network, which is, if you look at 1948. and the images that came out of palestinians being forced out of their homes, expelled from their home at the time of the creation of the state of israel. those palestinian refugees additive in jordan, lebanon, syria, in four decades, that became a source of contention between israel and the palestinians. in fact, it's one of the major reasons why israel invaded southern lebanon in 1982. and went to war for 20 plus years occupying southern lebanon which gave birth to hezbollah as a resistance movement against israel's occupation of southern lebanon. so the concern that many have expressed in the region, i've been speaking to a lot of officials, is about what these images that we are seeing in realtime right now in 2023 of

palestinians forced from their homes, under buildings, being collapsed on top of each other, children being pulled out of the rubble by the parents with bare hands covered in ash and dust. what are those images going to do for the generation of arabs and others who are watching this right now? who've been told we need to have peace we need to have peace. how does that radicalize, mobilize inspire and next generation of people who are going to have animosity and hatred in their hearts. this is the point that others have made, you claim that you want to be destroying hamas. and that is -- >> what are you creating? the point is that others have made. israel's history, throughout its fight, and i spoke to gideon levy, a prominent israeli columnist about this. which, is israel has gone after terrace organizations, palestinian territories asians for decades. it is gone after hamas before, that yasser arafat, considered terrorists by israel before

that, and went after pflp, dflp in -- black september and all the terrace groups from the 60s and 70s. every time after it destroys one or weakens one or undermines one or makes peace with one, something else in its place comes that, as we've seen now on october 7th more extreme more deadly, more determined. >> ayman mohyeldin, thank you. appreciate. we'll be right back. ht back. shelves. shelves that know what taste buds want. shelves smart enough to see, sense, react, restock. ♪ so caramel swirl is always there for the taking. ♪ vicks vapostick provides soothing, non-medicated vicks vapors. [exhales] easy to apply for the whole family.

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the citizens of gaza caught in the cross fire of these are israel-hamas war, which began five weeks ago. with hospitals reporting dire situations. >> we as medical staff want to leave. we cannot. we might not survive until the morning. joining me now is -- the director of communications for doctors without borders. talk more about what's going on

on the ground in gaza. usually, hospitals, health care facilities, our safe spaces for individuals during wartime. however, in this israel-hamas war, it seems as if hospitals are now targets. talk us through more of what you're hearing from the ground there >> it's been a really terrifying 24 hours, this has been building up for weeks and weeks. israel has been warning that hospitals will be targeted. that they are targeting hamas in the spaces. we have been saying, repeatedly, these are functioning hospitals we have staff there. we've had staff at al-shifa hospital, the biggest hospital in the gaza strip, we've been working there for years providing specialized burn care. surgeries and we treat hundreds and hundreds of patients inside the hospital.

there are also thousands of people that have been sheltering outside the hospital compound, because hospitals are supposed to be safe places in times of war. but over the past 24 hours israeli defense forces have really been closing in on several hospitals, including al-shifa hospital. we lost contact with some of our colleagues yesterday were able to reconnect today and receive just harrowing reports of what life is like inside there are snipers inside. patients have been shot it's, they've no atrocity and people on life support, including newborns in incubators, there have died. we were getting very patchy reports that we don't have full numbers on the numbers of deaths and injuries inside the hospital. it really a's very dire, and we're very, very worried about

our colleagues who are still inside. and some six 600 patients who remain inside many of them with some of the most critical injuries, life-threatening injuries, go ahead. no, no, i didn't mean to step in there. we don't have a lot of time, but i did want to ask you, have you seen any improvements with these for our humanitarian pauses? >> now, we have been saying from the beginning that humanitarian pauses are not enough. what we need is a complete cease-fire. it really makes no sense to pause the bombing briefly and then resume it again, killing and injuring thousands of people and displacing thousands more. so that's remaining our position. >> keita manen, i wish we had more time, we had a lot of breaking news today that we did have to get to. i hope that you come back and speak with us on this ongoing war and conflict between israel