issue, and i think they should run on it nonstop. >> thanks to both of you. always a pleasure to talk to you and get your analysis. we appreciate it. jennifer reuben is an msnbc political analyst and the author of the book resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump. rick wilson is a former republtratist, and author of running against the devil, a plot to save america from trump and democrats from themselves. that does it for me. thank you for watching. catch me back here next saturday and sunday morning from 10 am to noon eastern. don't forget, though she is always available as a podcast in which i wear a vest. you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. inside with is that -- jen psaki begins right. no >> the warning zients are flashing bright red about what exactly a second trump term would look like. >> four criminal indictments, for criminal trials barreling towards him. and now the former president is openly threatening to weaponize the justice department against his political opponents if he takes back the white house.

congressman jamie rosman is here with his reaction, and he's coming up first. plus, special counsel jack smith unveils a big clue about how he plans to prosecute his case. as trump's lawyers ask for his federal trial to be televise the law firm of andrew weissmann and -- is here to weigh in on all of it. also today, resounding victories for democrats and crucial races all across the country, as republican culture wars fall completely flat. we'll talk about what it means for 2024 and beyond. and later, a trip to the forum, of bike ride through georgia. we talk about the fight for democracy, the former president, and balancing his life as a pastor with his life as a united states senator. >> after a long stretch of dark political predictions for democrats, and a lot of freaking out over poll numbers, things can start to feel a

little bit better this week. democratic governor was reelected in kentucky, democrats swept control of the virginia legislature, which most people were not predicting. and the people of ohio turned out in droves to protect abortion rights in their state. you have to find yourself thinking, all right. maybe things aren't so bad. maybe i shouldn't be so terrified about the safety of democracy and my rights after. all the forces of good are winning out in the end. i'm going to tune this all out for a while, i have other things to worry about. if that's how your feeling, i kind of get it. and there are some things to feel relieved about. but at the same time, the threat of a second trump term is still very real. and the things he is saying right now are some of the most concerning things we have ever heard him say. so it's important for everyone to really start listening. >> if i happen to be president and i see somebody who's doing well and beating me very broadly, i say go down and indict them, mostly where that would be, they would be out of

business. they'd be out. they'd be out of the election. >> if they're beating me, go down and indict them. trump is forecasting that in the second term he will wield power however he chooses. unconstrained by the rule of law. this is some truly scary authoritarian banana republic type stuff, and we should hear that way. just yesterday, he took to truth social to imply that democrats, or any political opponents, are the greatest threat to america and need to be rooted out like a vermin. bourbon is the word he used there. it's not just rhetoric. remember the washington post reported just last week about specific plans trump and his allies have drafted to put his words into action. on top of planning to launch investigations into people who dare to critique him, or disagree with him during this time in office. including people that work for him. his team has also started to map out plans to invoke the insurrection act on his first day in office. which basically would allow him to dispatch the military

against civil demonstrations. think about how crazy that is. and in the same interview, he also defended his family separation policy at the border. and new reporting from the new york times this week confirms he also has plans for sweeping rates of undocumented immigrants, mass deportations, and the creation of giant camps. he wants to restate the muslim ban, something he also repeated this weekend. and when he was asked about it this week, about how the u.s. can stop the killing of innocent people in the israel-hamas war, he basically said we should just let it all play out. and yet, the hand wringing and cocktail party speculation about an alternative to joe biden is continuing. will continue. guess what? joe biden is a perfect. no candidate is, by the way. but we have to understand what the alternative is here. if elected to a second term, donald trump would prosecute anyone he deems an enemy. unleashed troops on protesters, and essentially unravel the rule of law as we know it. and this time, he plans to line his administration with people who actually will help him to

it. but sure, joe biden is three years older andoccasially trips over things. there's a lot to be concerned about right now when it comes to a second trump term. the speeches are getting much more disturbing, and much more unhinged, and we should all hear it that way. it's also important to talk about all of this, and important to call it out. but there is nothing more important than diggi io his actual plans. the silver linings here is that trump is warning us here. with his own voice, with a microphone on and it came rolling. he is telling us exactly what he plans to do, and we all just need t listen. joining me now is congressman jamie -- he led the second impeachment trial of donald trump, and he's now the ranking democrat on the house oversight committee. you have thought a lot about donald trump, and you have studied him a lot, you've been soinvoed in holding him accountable. when he said this week, if they're beating me, go down and indict them. some of the pronouncements he's made over the weekend, i've heard that as kind of his

authoritarian impulses getting worse. how do you hear them? >> the role of the government in his view is to advance his political fortunes and destroy his political enemies. so what would a second term look like? it would look a lot like vladimir putin in russia. it would look a lot like viktor orban in hungary, illegal democracy. meeting democracy without rights, or liberties, or respect for the due process has, the rule of law. in fact, there's not much democracy left to it, because their position is that they don't accept the integrity of any election where they lose. and that is a hallmark of an authoritarian party. they don't elect -- except elections that don't go their way, they refused to disavow political violence, they embrace political violence for an instrument for taking power, and everything flows from the will of a charismatic politician. and that is donald trump. so we are clearly headed into a completely different form of

government than any of us would recognize, as continuous but the past. right-wing authoritarian governments, in league with putin, xi jinping, orban, -- >> putin and xi jinping, those are some serious authoritarian dictators out there. it sounds like you're saying people should look at, if they're wondering what a second trump term would look like. >> those are the people that donald trump and his family do business with. remember, his son-in-law brought back two billion dollars from saudi arabia, from mohammed bin salman. he pocketed that after four years of rendering favors to saudi arabia, including covering up the assassination and dismemberment, drawing and quarter-ing of saudi american journalists. for the washington post, and rendering all sorts of favors to saudi arabia. multiple that times every authoritarian -- on earth, and that's what we're getting with donald trump, because they've made relationships with every

autocratic, plutocrat a, kleptocrat regime on earth. and they don't pretend to have any program for the american people. it's just about restoring donald trump's power. they literally didn't have a platform that they adopted last time around, which tells you what. their platform is whatever donald trump dictates to them on any particular day. and we see our colleagues in congress just taking orders from donald trump on everything from shutting down the government, to impeaching joe biden for nothing. >> i do want to ask you about one of the specific things. there was some reporting over this weekend in the new york times over his immigration plans. this isn't surpringiven what he's done in the past, but described it as preparing to round up undocumented people already in the united states on a vast scale, and detain them in sprawling pit -- camps will they wait to be expelled. there are a lot of things in history that reminds me of. what did you think of when you read that story? >> of course, there's been an anti immigrants impulse in

america going back to the beginning, with the -- acts, and attempts to politicize and demonized foreigners to the country. of course, the rounding up of japanese americans during world war ii. so he wants to pick up on that strain, and that is a purely authoritarian program. i mean, they really have to programs. one is that, and the other is to pass what mike johnson wants, a national ban on abortion rights for american women, with no exceptions for rape incest. they understand how deeply unpopular that is, so they're trying to downplay that for. now the cats got their tongue, they don't want to talk about it. but of course, that will rise to the top the moment they think can get it passed. >> let me ask you about speaker mike johnson, who you know pretty well, it sounds like. he did release his two step plan to keep the government open yesterday. no deep spending cuts, which some of the right-wing want. but no funding for israel and ukraine. i haven't seen democratic

leadership make a pronouncement about what they think of it. the white house has kind of criticized it. what do you make of it? is this something that could possibly be -- >> we haven't been able to study that new republican plan yet, and obviously you want to do everything in our power to keep the government open. so we're serving the american people. the problem within the republican caucus is that they're called in a double bind in two directions. if they go to try to find each appropriation bill separately, then the maga right starts pasting all of this extreme right-wing graffiti on it. so there's antiabortion stuff, there's anti lgbtq stuff, there's anti dei stuff. all that. and then there's about a dozen republicans that can't vote for that because they're in biden districts and they won't go wrong with it. >> 18 of them. >> they're basically signing their own political defeat by doing that. however, if they go for a clean

continuing resolution, which is clearly the way to do it, then you get chip roy and the freedom caucus saying no, this doesn't create the slashing reductions and expenditures that we want whenever a democrat's president. they don't look for that when donald trump was president, and of course he created record deficits and was spending like a drunken sailor. >> you are not running the republican caucus, we only have five days here. should the public be preparing for a shutdown? >> well, the best hope is that they want to give their new guy, mike johnson, some reprieve. i mean, they have put someone in who they think appeals to the common denominator within the caucus, which is a kind of theocratic agenda. and some of them are saying, well, he's like the backup quarterback who comes in in the fourth quarter, so don't blame him for everything that's happened, give him a break here and go with what he wants.

but the plan seems strange to me, but i will reserve judgment on it. we're trying to operate with unity in our caucus, behind hakeem jeffries and our leadership, because it's complicated enough with the republicans falling apart on a weekly or daily basis. so if it's something that our leadership thinks they can work with, it's something that i imagine most democrats will say they'll swallow for now. >> we'll see, it could be a fight. i'll ask you about mike johnson, because you're a constitutional scholar. he is somebody who believes the bible comes first over the constitution. i want to make clear, this is not about being a person of faith. there are many people of faith in congress, democrats and republicans. but saying that the bible comes first over the constitution, how problematic is that? second in line for the presidency? >> let's start with this. when we take our oath of office, we put our hand on the bible and we swear to uphold the constitution, we don't put our hand on the constitution and swear to uphold the bible.

the constitution is the governing document of the country, and we of course have a multiplicity of fates and people can choose their fate, or no faith at all. and that's what jefferson and adams and madison fought for, with the american revolution and the declaration and the constitution. i mean, the great breakthrough of the american constitution was to rebel against centuries of religious conflict. the wars between the catholics in the protestants, and inquisition, and crusade, and witchcraft trials and all of that. they said we want to put government on a secular principle, which is no establishment of religion, no religious test for public office, and free exercise. everybody can worship exactly as he or she pleases. but i've got colleagues who get up, one got up not long ago and said the moral downfall was in 1962 where the supreme court banned prayer in public schools, and i had to remind him, no, the supreme court never banned

prayer in the public schools. as long as there are pop matt quizzes, there will be prayer in the public schools. all the supreme court said in that case is that the government can't compel you to pray according to a script that the government writes. and that case was from new york, the suit was brought by catholic families, saying that there was a protestant prayer that was being imposed on everybody. and of course, that's the great argument, or one of the great arguments for the separation of church and state, and the no establishment of religion. what happens is one church gets control of the governmental process, and then imposes its theological orthodoxy and discipline on everybody else. >> and that's why it's in place. never has there been a greater value for constitutional expertise, so thank you so much for bringing it to us, and for breaking down so many issues with us. congressman, thank you for joining me this morning. >> my pleasure. >> coming up after a week in which he turned a new york courtroom into a surface, donald trump is now asking for his federal trial to be televised. --

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outbursts in a new york courtroom this week were shocking, but not exactly surprising. and of course, by behaving in such an outrageous way he is making a political calculation. not exactly a legal one. now, trump's defense team says they want to put that kind of behavior on full display in his upcoming federal trial in washington d.c.. and in a filing late friday, his lawyers argue that cameras should be allowed inside the courtroom. to capture the proceedings for a television audience. this is something that a range of news organizations, including msnbc's parent company are calling for. but the trump team is clearly making this request for a much different reason. joining me now is our in-house law firm, neil -- is the former acting solicitor general, andrew weissmann is the formal council to the fbi, and as senior member of special

counsel mueller's team. let me start with you, because you wrote in favor of cameras in the courtroom. you argued for this in an august op-ed, saying the reward outweighs the risk. but we did kind of see how this would be this week. trump tried to turn the courtroom into a circus, and there weren't even cameras in there. so did anything about that change your view, or how you see this? >> no, so first of all, john, happy de valle to you and to all of our viewers. and of course, joe wally is the festival of lights, and the idea of light is what motivated that up at. the idea that this is the american peoples courtroom. new taxpayers pay for this trial, and you should be able to see it in bright lights, and that is part and parcel of our democracy. the fact that donald trump has -- is going to act in as you put it a circus light fashion, that's what donald trump does. whether there's cameras in the courtroom or not, it's going to

be a circus every day of every week. the judge will of course exert some rain over that, but i don't think that's a reason not to let the american public see exactly what's happening. and i know that there is some speculation that trump doesn't really mean it. that he doesn't mean it. he filed this thing, but he didn't even have a single legal citation to any law or rules or anything like that in his filing, asking for cameras in the room. but that slick part and parcel of donald trump's legal filings generally. they're very light on law if any at all, and donald trump generally wants this. the most dangerous place in washington d.c. is the space between donald trump and a camera. so of course he wants this. i think the important thing is this trial be televised, so that the american public can see it, or at a minimum, live audio in realtime. that's what the u.s. supreme court has done ever since covid, i do that a lot with them. and we should at least be able to hear the trial, and not be relegated to third hand news accounts. >> happy diwali to you as well,

wonderful celebration. andrew, let me go to you, because it's no surprise that a former reality tv personality would want this kind of exposure. maybe audio is an interesting option, i'd love to know what you think of that. but what do you think his motivation is in all of this? >> i think he knows that in federal criminal cases, that the district judge has no leeway here on her own, to order this. this is why about ten days ago, when he asked his position, he told the government and they represented it to the courts that he was agnostic, he was not in favor of this. and when the government put its grief in saying that it's not legal for a federal district judge to order cameras in the courtroom, he then said i wanted. so then he can claim that he was offered transparency, but it's the government and the

judge who are keeping this from the public. so i think it makes a lot of posturing. i'm not disagreeing with neil that he may in fact wanted, but it sort of the way he position this is so he could complain when it's not done. in terms of merits, if the were no law out there that forbade having cameras, i completely agree with neil. i think that the benefits far outweigh the negatives. there are negatives. but here is the public seeing, this i think it's paramount, but i don't think it's legally possible. i think neil's idea of having audio is also a. sort of next best plan be good substitute. and we'll see whether judge chutkan goes for any of that, but i think it's going to be very difficult for her to do it under the current rules. >> neil, go into another such of court filings this week. jackson has made clear that the insurrection will play a role in his election conspiracy case

against trump. political said quote, smith -- who has already been charged. what do you make of the strategy? what does it tell us about his approach? >> so, smith is responding to four different filings by donald trump that were all over the map. i mean, i describe them on monday as not just throwing spaghetti at the wall, but throwing penne, for follow-up, or quiet, and every other pasta possible. what jack smith did in those filings in response was basically tear them apart. and part of his strategy is to use exactly that quote you're using, and outline what his case is at trial, which he says is going to look a lot like the january 6th committee presentation. using insurrection tests, who actually invaded the capitol and said the i was doing this because of donald trump. i was following donald trump. and i think anyone who saw that presentation in the 16 committee knows that is an incredibly emotionally powerful,

logically powerful presentation. >> andrew, very quickly, before we let you guys go back to your sunday lives, the defense is going to present this week in new york. what are you watching, and what should we expect? >> in new york, they're going to be focusing on two elements that's the state needs to prove, and that is intent, and materiality. so you're going to hear a lot about reliance on accountants, reliance on lawyers, on how the banks didn't really care about what was represented to them, because they were going to do this deal anyway, and that the loan is all paid off. just briefly on the problem with the reliance on accounts is it has it exactly backwards. the accountants, under their agreements, were entitled to get accurate and fair and candid information from the trump's, and the trump organization. not the reverse. so if you feed them information

that's wrong, you can expect there opinions to not be something that you can rely on. so it will be an interesting couple of weeks that we can expect to see. >> we'll keep talking about it with our in-house lover. andrew weissmann and neil, thank you owes always for joining me. up next, my take on the winners but also the losers of elections all across the country this week. i'm looking at you, glenn youngkin. and later, a -- into -- if you're wondering what kind of music you listened to, you're in luck. we're back after this. re in luck we're back after this. we're back after this. start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. >> tech: cracked windshield on your new car? you don't have to take it the #1 to the dealer.ommended bring it to safelite. we do more replacements and recalibrations than anyone else. >> customer: thank you so much. >> tech vo: schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪

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this week. and the results told us a few things. not just about what works, but also what doesn't, it turns out. and in no state was that more obvious than in my home state of virginia, where we got to see just how far -- now remember, this guy, this fleeced thus working former

political wunderkind, had been seen as the future of the republican party. there's a lot of homes with them. that is, until virginia republicans lost the state house and failed to win back the state senate. and it isn't some big mystery why they lost. first, it was a total misread on abortion, and where people were in the state. he explicitly tied virginia state elections to what he called was a reasonable and common sense 15-week abortion ban. for months, he campaigned, did interviews, spent millions of dollars, and ordered to boost that strategy. but his attempt to solve one of the gop's biggest policy problems, while also maybe on the side launching himself into the national spotlight, let's just say, it backfired. there's also another misread that hasn't received as much attention. a strategy built upon what he short hands as parents rights. on that point, it's important to remember how the last off year election went in virginia. remember back in 2021?

glenn youngkin pulled off his surprise victory in the state that joe biden had won by ten points just the year before. i remember this. well he successfully did it by tapping into the frustration that was evident across the -- in the wake of the pandemic, and -- their kids and school. in that election -- made parents rights -- at the time. about how the youngkin team had cracked a winning quote for republicans, that youngkin was the next great hope. but fast forward to this week, and it's clear that he took the wrong lesson away from that surprise victory. because it turns out digging deeper into culture wars, talking about indoctrination, targeting lgbtq+ kids, and pulling books off the shelves or threatening to do that isn't a long term winning strategy. take for example, one virginia

state senate race, where the democratic challenger is a former high school teacher who defeated the republican incumbent. and in this race, the teacher won by pointing to the republican incumbents support for a law that was cited by some school districts as the basis for pulling books of the shelves. for book banning, essentially. our look at danica roem's victory, as the first transgender state senator and the south. she defeated a republican opponent who campaigns on banning transgender athletes from high school sports, the basis of the campaign. or look at any number of school board races. in 2021, for example, for -- county made national headlines over school board protests. you probably remember this. but this week, just two plus years later, liberal leading candidates took a six seat majority of the nine seat school board. so yeah, we saw this week was a win for abortion rights, and not just in virginia, around the country as well. and a loss though, for the right-wing's culture war agenda. and the results we saw this week, remind me of this line,

from glenn youngkin's strategist after his win back in 2021. he said that democrats were quote, talking past the voters. talking to their own base, that sounds familiar, doesn't it? considering where the electorate is, for youngkin and republicans everywhere, they want to heed that advice. because if they don't go back to the drawing board and start coming up with positions that are actually palatable for voters outside of the base, they're in for a lot more nights like the one they saw on tuesday. coming up next, we'll go inside gaza. my conversation with an aid worker on the ground and the hospital system on the verge of total collapse. we're back, after this. total collapse we're back, after this we're back, after this of doing things. america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars in new technologies and creating plastic products that are more recyclable. durable. and dependable. our goal is a cleaner, healthier planet for generations to come. for a better tomorrow, we're focused on making plastics better today.

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today, its name is northern gaza. that's how the u.n. describes conditions outside gaza right now, where the israeli military has ordered gaza's largest hospital, al-shifa hospital, to evacuate. but international aid agencies say that is nearly impossible, amid air strikes and heavy fighting that's trapping patients, nurses, and doctors inside. the hospitals now reportedly collapsing without power, and its last generator has run out of fuel. prime minister netanyahu told my colleague this morning that israel offered enough fuel to operate the hospital, but that hamas refused. another hospital in gaza city is now out of surface, and is no longer operational, according to the palestinian red crescent. this footage shows medical staff working in the dark using flashlights. today the hospital said it has

stopped services because the lack of fuel and power outages. to give you a sense of just how dire the humanitarian situation is inside gaza's hospital, consider this acronym just -- used by medical staff to describe some of their most -- patience. wounded child, no some rounding. >> this is what we know from a range of reporting, but it's very hard to talk to anyone inside gaza right now, given how sporadic the internet is and the lack of electricity. not to mention constant airstrikes. but we've managed to get connected to -- who is spokesman for the international committee of the red cross. he joins us from the south of the gaza strip. so good for you to take the time to talk with us today. i just want to start by asking you to describe what the conditions are like where you are right now. >> hello, thank you for having me tonight. the conditions that we are working in in the gaza strip, as a humanitarian team, are

almost challenging, close to impossible. and the same as for the thousands of families inside the gaza strip now, especially those who are still trapped and who couldn't leave, in the north part. and those who managed to evacuate on foot, walking for several kilometers without any food or water, which i personally saw when we were trying to get into the gaza strip, carrying medical aid to get to the hospitals. one of them is actually al-quds hospital, -- it's super challenging for them. it's actually defined their human dignity that they have to go through all of this, and they still have no idea when this is going to stop. how are they going to restore their lives? >> i want to ask you, you mentioned al-quds hospital,

which is that the reports are that it's unable to really function at this point in time. is that correct, and what you've seen on the ground as well? >> yes. the last time we were trying to get to the al-quds hospital carrying humanitarian aid, including medical supplies for the hospitals to continue operating and to stop them from complete collapse, it was impossible to get to the al-quds hospital because all the roads leading to it were completely destroyed, and our own team was caught in the fire. two of three trucks were damaged, and one of the drivers was injured. we had to evacuate the miraculously, and we have arrived at the al-shifa hospital, where we saw thousands of displaced families and we managed to deliver four of five trucks. we had to abandon more trucks,

one of the trucks, with what was on board. we also at the same time, after we deliver the trucks, we escorted six ambulances carrying a number of casualties to drive all the way to the rafah crossing, and through the way, we were walking on the main road, the same street where you're seeing in your footage. thousands of civilians, walking on foot, crossing the valley to reach the south. we managed to get to the rafah crossing, and now some of the injured are receiving four treatments in gaza. this is an example of how we're currently operating in the absence of safety, which pampers our operations, our ability to get aid to people. and just yesterday i was with a team trying to get a blankets, and hygiene kits for families, who are lucky enough to have shelter, despite the very harsh conditions, the absence of water and the lack of hygiene.

and i was praying, it's getting cold at night, especially there are still yet thousands of families, fort thousands of families, fo -- who where they can get food to feed their children. babies, and i've seen some of them. we were trying to get to the hospital, so the other day we were seeing fire, and there were babies that were actually carried by their brothers, who are also children. and they were afraid of crying out loud, afraid of getting shot at. they were asking to have food? do you have water? others still in places that we could go to, are there any shelters for us? can we cross? another tons of questions that unfortunately my team cannot answer. hard to answer, because it was a war zone. any effort that would lead to

make these peoples lives a little bit easier is welcome. we welcome all the efforts that allow the humanitarian aid into gaza, but sustainable aid must be allowed into the gaza strip. safely, that would allow the humanitarians to get the aid to the hundreds of thousands of people inside hospitals, inside shelters, who are still wandering without shelters and roofs on their head. to get that aid in safely and secured leap, its lifesaving, literally, by all means. >> it sounds like you mentioned a couple of times really the lack of water and the lack of water access, which i think is so important for people to understand and here. also, before i let you go, i want to ask you about al-shifa hospital. because one of the calls has been for evacuation, or this has been what has been mentioned, but that seems extremely difficult, given the status of patients, of babies, can you just explain to us in the limited time we have left the realities there?

why that is so difficult to make that happen, and safe people who are in that hospital? >> yes, i'm going to start with water first. the water is now a very rare occurrence. you can't find a lot of water, and people in gaza actually have to go get sea water and add sugar to it so that they can drink it. we have witnessed that. for hospitals, before the situation has become extremely dire, now in the hospitals we managed to visit some of the hospitals in northern gaza and gaza city and south. and we have seen, like, i could see through operation rooms that the doors are open and more than two or three casualties are being operated on at the same time. because there is no space, and there's limited capacities but the staff has, and they need to save as many lives as possible. at the same time, there were tons of casualties that were rushed into the emergency rooms. at the same hospitals, there were like thousands of people

inside and outside without hygiene. there's no space for women and four children inside these hospitals. and people went to the hospitals, we running from death. they went to a safe haven, a sanctuary. and over the past few days, unfortunately, we have witnessed that in some of these hospitals, they were targeted. it's clear that hospitals under special protection under humanitarian law, and any military operation around hospitals must consider the presence of civilians, medical staff that are all protected by international law. what is going on must stop immediately, because if it doesn't, simply, we will fall,,. >> thank you for everything you do. please stay safe, thank you for joining us. we'll be right back, after a quick break. we'll be right back, after a quick break. quick break. (husband) no way they'd take this wreck. (carolers) ♪ yes, they will, and you'll get iphone 15 pro, ♪

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many members of congress are not actually lifelong politicians. summer doctors, educators, business owners, some are even ordained ministers. the most prominent is of course senator raw field warnock. i recently caught up with the senator, i spent the day with him in georgia, as he spent the day visiting of local farm and meeting religious leaders. even got a fun look at how he manages to spend time, what little free time he actually has.

>> so this morning, we toward a farm, we learned a lot about precision farming, how they're trying to make it more efficient. it might surprise people watching know that the senior pastor from ebenezer baptist church is so paston about this. why are you? >> jordan is a big state, and all of us have to eat. what could be more basic and important than farming? and making sure that we sustain the american farm, and as it sustains the american family. when i got elected to the senate, that i was very clear that i wanted serve on the ad committee, and i'm having a lot of fun learning a whole lot

in the process. >> i bet you are. people often think about agriculture is something for the midwest, and kind of old white conservatives in red states. it's clearly not that. >> farming is for everybody, right? we all have to eat, it's tough business. the margins are very narrow, and so i've been working on the farm every week i can, and my colleagues to sustain farmers as they support all of us. >> i know we have to get to a meeting with the legislators. >> so, senator, what a beautiful place we are in. >> it is beautiful. >> how often are you bike riding these days? >> not a lot.

not as much as i would like. >> you probably don't have a lot of free time. >> i have my music. >> do you, i was going to ask, you listen to music while you bike. do you listen to it in your years? >> yeah, i will -- put my pods. and often listening to some hip up. >> i was going to ask you. >> it kind of keeps me moving. >> so, you are still serving your church, you are still posturing your people at your church. you're a senator in washington during the week, do you consider yourself more of a pastor or more of a senator? how do you balance that? >> oh, wow. for me, my work in the senate is in -- my life's project, which is ministry and service. so there's this kind of synergy, really, between the two. >> do you learn a lot from the people you see a church on the weekend? >> the people at church make sure you keep it real.

>> that's really key. >> they keep you grounded. >> ebenezer baptist, i'm sure a lot of people are familiar with the history of martin luther king junior there. does that weigh on your shoulder, does that lift or shoulders? how does that impact how you do your work? >> it's inspiring. i got to know john lewis. he was my parishioner, and being that close to him, and andrew young, and so many others who are right there in the movement, is a constant reminder to me that these are just ordinary people. who made a commitment, and they bring the gifts to the work. and you never know the difference that it will make. >> did you interact with president jimmy carter at all? >> jimmy and rosalynn carter are two of my favorite people on earth. and here is a man who demonstrates how you have faith

and how it ought to work and come alive. he is used not as a weapon, but as a bridge. and he demonstrates that leadership is not so much about in office as much as it is about an orientation, a way of being in the world. so he is a great model for what it means to come alive in the public square. just deeply inspiring. i've enjoyed the times i've had to talk with him over the years, and spent some time with him. because there's a long history between president carter and ebenezer baptist church. >> does it bother you that the evangelical community seems to be continue to be very much behind donald trump? is that surprising? >> it's a deep contradiction. it's a deep contradiction. and i think that's when the

history of this period is written, we will have a lot to say about that. you cannot account for some of the divisive forces at work in our country, sadly, without reference to what's happening in huge segments of the american church. i come out of a tradition that has always tried to use our faith to bring us together. i like the way jimmy carter used his fate. i like the way martin luther king junior and ella baker and white brothers and sisters like james reed, in the midst of the civil rights movement, how they use their faith. and so many others in this moment. >> my thanks to senator you raphael warnock for spending the day with me, and help me along with my shaky biking. special thanks for the crew at

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